Euros 2020 (21)

[daviemac]

What the fuck is wrong with these players, why fuck about with the cartoon style running on the spot and pausing the runup. Take it seriously decide on your spot and take it properly.   

[lamboman]

Think I'll leave the cars at home this week or some hooligan will smash them up,the logic of putting on players for penalties that haven't kicked a ball all game is lost on me.

[Matrix]

Southgate fucked up.  England were crying for subs during the game.  Then 2 of the guys that didn't get a kick, miss.

[Rick2468]

I'm exhausted. I'm nearly 40 and rarely get upset at football these days but boy I'm gutted right now. The pain of getting the upper hand in the shootout and then saving a penalty when Italy were one kick away. I thought it was going to be a fabulous end. I'm not a million miles away from bursting into tears but I'm too tired so thankfully will be asleep within 15 minutes.

Well done to Southgate. The squad is young and we can only improve. I hope to see Foden and Bellingham develop and head towards their potential then we will be a good team. I'm hoping we have another lucky draw for the WC next year.

[PunterNumber69]

Why did the England players remove their medals immediately after they were put on?

They should be proud of them.

[mr.bluesky]

I thought Stirling had his worst game of the tournament.  Constantly lost possession of the ball and constantly falling over appealing for a free kick. Kane was never in the game. Southgate left it too late to make the substitutions. A lot to ask of a nineteen year old to step up and take the 5th penalty under immense pressure. Oh well I guess its another 55 years to wait before we win another tournament final 

[Skeleton]

What the fuck is wrong with these players, why fuck about with the cartoon style running on the spot and pausing the runup. Take it seriously decide on your spot and take it properly.   

100 per fucking cent 

[Goldfinch]

 

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[myothernameis]

This guy streaked & stopped the game for a few min's, and guess now this will be his fame, wonder if he will still have a job on  Mon



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[Watts.E.Dunn]

I suppose it was such a narrow win for Italy as i predicted the other day, but i think that England held therm well as said just a few shootouts puts tremoundous stress on the poor Goalies's! ON both sides!.

And what was a 19 year old doing takeing such a important shot?....

[Watts.E.Dunn]

This guy streaked & stopped the game for a few min's, and guess now this will be his fame, wonder if he will still have a job on  Mon



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Pity it wernt some big titted bird:)

That would have taken the Italians minds off the job!!

[Jumping Jack Flash]

Why did the England players remove their medals immediately after they were put on?

They should be proud of them.

Personally I’d have binned mine if I was playing.

[smiths]

The only mistake by Southgate during the whole tournament was selecting the 2 young blokes who didn't score to take the penalties in my view, I don't include Rashford as he has a good penalty record according to the BBC. Sterling should certainly of taken 1, disappointed he didn't but he did play well apart from that during the tournament. Too much pressure on them, one being 19. Great saves by Pickford.

Overall well done to England, World Cup 2022 is only 18 months or so away. And Southgate is most certainly the man to carry England forward.

[smiths]

Why did the England players remove their medals immediately after they were put on?

They should be proud of them.

Because to them coming second best might as well of been last. A good mentality to have in my book, I want to see a winning mentality which I hope to see in Qatar next year.

[myothernameis]

which I hope to see in Qatar next year.

Wonder if Italy can do the double, and win the world cup 2022

[Markus]

Because to them coming second best might as well of been last. A good mentality to have in my book, I want to see a winning mentality which I hope to see in Qatar next year.

Inability to finish teams off is this teams biggest flaw.  We kept Germany in the game until the final opportunity to kill them off.  I don’t think we will get anywhere near the World Cup latter stages but I could be wrong.  This was an utterly golden opportunity to bring home some silverware.

A strength in depth is there but Southgate did make some odd substitution decisions during these Euros.  Bringing on a sub and taking him off like he did for Grealish and Henderson is just plain dumb.  Rashford for the penalty kick fair player but they should have had Henderson on for one of the kicks.  He’s the right manager for the squad but I hope we will see more of Foden and Sancho in the World Cup. At times it seems he bowed to media pressure to play Grealish.

[lillythesavage]

Same old England, after all the build up, early goal and sat back, let the momentum swing against them. teens taking penalties? players not kicked a ball doing the same, tired players left on too long, Southgate let himself down tonight but will learn from it, he is going nowhere and things are improving, one day less recovery meant he should of put fresh legs on earlier.

He deserves credit for putting a bunch of youngsters with loads of money and little sense to play together as one, and they were right to the end.

[toon972]

We lost it when Italy were on top and we lost our composure and started the long ball route, giving Italy possession again and creating more pressure. All through the tournament we played the same way until this game and probably Scotland, where we were a bit lucky. We started playing possession football again and looked much better at the end.

[chrishornx]

What the fuck is wrong with these players, why fuck about with the cartoon style running on the spot and pausing the runup. Take it seriously decide on your spot and take it properly.   

something fundamentally wrong

that was awful attempt

[king tarzan]

I thought Stirling had his worst game of the tournament.  Constantly lost possession of the ball and constantly falling over appealing for a free kick. Kane was never in the game. Southgate left it too late to make the substitutions. A lot to ask of a nineteen year old to step up and take the 5th penalty under immense pressure. Oh well I guess its another 55 years to wait before we win another tournament final 

👍 Spot on

[king tarzan]

Because to them coming second best might as well of been last. A good mentality to have in my book, I want to see a winning mentality which I hope to see in Qatar next year.

Realistically saying no chance..
Italy dominated the game after the initial shock of England's first goal..

Enter the 2 well known powerful south American teams plus France Italy Belgium.. no chance unless they get fairly easy side of group..

What Italy showed in possession football is what makes champions.. and they can be consistent with that game after game whilst sadly England cannot..

[mr.bluesky]

Wonder if Italy can do the double, and win the world cup 2022

I wouldn't bet against it. Their unbeaten run now stretches to 34 games. A phenomenal record. (ps Argentina beat Brazil 1-0 to win the Copa America .Surprisingly they have waited 28 years to win that tournament)

[mr.bluesky]

Oh well there's the Rugby League World Cup in this country in October (providing it still goes ahead). Only have to worry about Australia and New Zealand.  A sport where you can bet there will be no booing of the National Anthems but will probably won by those bloody Aussies again 

[Ali Katt]

It has to be said we were incredibly lucky with who we got in the early groups had we got Italy and Spain I doubt we would have got to the quarters. Then there's Denmark's own goal which helped get us through. It's the best England have played in a decade, but whose surprised they lost to Italy outclassed.

[The Film Director]

I thought Stirling had his worst game of the tournament. 

Indeed, that was really the difference (even if his name is spelt Sterling  ).  The better team on the night won, just need to look at the stats.  Not sure how it ended up with the youngest and most inexperienced player on the pitch taking the decisive pen. 

[sir wanksalot]

I don't blame the penatly takers. I blame Southgate.

His studious approach works well at times but at other times, when action needed to be taken, he freezes.

For that first 15-20 mins we were slicing Italy wide open and then we sat back and seemed to be trying to hold onto our lead.

The late substitutions (or lack of) showed that Southgate was playing for penalties which really disappointed me.

[daviemac]

It has to be said we were incredibly lucky with who we got in the early groups had we got Italy and Spain I doubt we would have got to the quarters. Then there's Denmark's own goal which helped get us through. It's the best England have played in a decade, but whose surprised they lost to Italy outclassed.

I think you are right, we did ride our luck a bit, but we did hold our own in the final and get a draw.

I put the blame firmly on Marcus Rashford, he had one job to do, he pissed about doing it and missed. I think him missing put extra pressure on those following him. If he had scored then the pressure was firmly on Italy.

He earns £180,000 per week, or £9.360 million per year to kick a football, nobody can tell me he shouldn't be able to hit a 24' X 8'  target if he takes it seriously.

In 2014 Holland brought 'keeper Tim Krul on in the 120th minute, he hadn't played throughout the game or even touched the ball for that matter. He did the job he's paid for and saved penalties.

I understand the massive pressure on the players when taking penalties but all the more reason not to piss about.

[sir wanksalot]

I think you are right, we did ride our luck a bit, but we did hold our own in the final and get a draw.

I put the blame firmly on Marcus Rashford, he had one job to do, he pissed about doing it and missed. I think him missing put extra pressure on those following him. If he had scored then the pressure was firmly on Italy.

He earns £180,000 per week, or £9.360 million per year to kick a football, nobody can tell me he shouldn't be able to hit a 24' X 8'  target if he takes it seriously.

In 2014 Holland brought 'keeper Tim Krul on in the 120th minute, he hadn't played throughout the game or even touched the ball for that matter. He did the job he's paid for and saved penalties.

I understand the massive pressure on the players when taking penalties but all the more reason not to piss about.

The best players in the world will miss penalties.

This is on Southgate's shoulders. He was planning on taking it to penalties which are a lottery

[The Film Director]

He was planning on taking it to penalties which are a lottery

More likely that was Italy's ploy .... given the two teams' respective records on taking them. 

[Don Quixote]

From a Scot.
England did brilliantly well to get to the final and to then hold Italy to 1-1, but whilst penalties are a lottery ultimately the best team of the tournament won.
In my humble opinion Scotland were easily the worst team in the tournament, our lack of technical skills is an embarrassment.

[Pillowtalk]

Semi- serious comment. England's best sports are those that the public and grammar schools take seriously. Football (a hooligans game) does not fall into that category. Cricket, rugby, hockey, etc - all public school sports and we do well at them.
If football is the national sport, then it's too important to be left to state schools which have more or less abandoned sport (for reasons I well understand).

[george r]

What the fuck is wrong with these players, why fuck about with the cartoon style running on the spot and pausing the runup. Take it seriously decide on your spot and take it properly.   

   should just hit it hard, not look like its come dancing 

[daviemac]

The best players in the world will miss penalties.

This is on Southgate's shoulders. He was planning on taking it to penalties which are a lottery

Yeah, the all time premier league goal scorer Alan Shearer has missed his fair share, but the difference is he didn't piss about with a cartoon style running on the spot and pausing in the runup, he put the ball down ran up and kicked it. If it got saved the that's the goalkeeper getting lucky.

It isn't the missing of the penalty I'm talking about, as you say anyone can miss, it's the pissing about in the runup.

[Blackpool Rock]

What the fuck is wrong with these players, why fuck about with the cartoon style running on the spot and pausing the runup. Take it seriously decide on your spot and take it properly.   

Yeah it seems to be getting ever more popular doing some stupid stuttering run up, OK if you actually score but makes you look a right cunt when it goes wrong.
I guess the plan is to make the keeper commit then stroke the ball in the other side but you can't get as much power on the kick so if the keeper goes the right way they stand a good chance of saving it, just hit the fucking thing 
Problem is we still couldn't score enough penalties years ago when players kicked them like a mule as they put them over the bar
Rashford had 1 job to do and fucked it up, at least hit the fucking target 

Great start for England and we looked the better side for the 1st 30 minutes then Italy came back into it and were on top.
We never looked like scoring a 2nd goal after half time so I was thinking we either needed to hang onto the 1-0 or the only way we were going to win was on the lottery that is penalties

I actually agree with bringing players on to take the penalties but perhaps give them a few more minutes to touch the ball and get a feel for it, years ago I remember screaming at Glenn Hoddle to get penalty takers on the pitch near the end but he didn't, we lost that one too 

Not sure why people are complaining about the choice of players who took the pens though as pens will have been practised (never used to as the Managers used to maintain we were planning / training to win the game in normal time  )
The players who stepped up will have put their names forward and will have probably had the best or at least good records taking pens during training, yes a big ask for a teenager but also a chance to be a hero.

A lot of young kids out there last night with potential to improve and Qatar about 16 months away, hopefully they will have matured a bit and gelled as a more complete team

Cubs to Lions 

[king tarzan]

Watch entire 120 minutes game carefully and 1 can see the gulf between a good decent team and a world class champion team..

[myothernameis]

What the fuck is wrong with these players, why fuck about with the cartoon style running on the spot and pausing the runup. Take it seriously decide on your spot and take it properly.   

Wonder when it comes to training, do the players do this, or do they just shoot towards the goal

[andymars19]

Harry Maguire showed how a penalty should be taken - run up and plant it in the TOP CORNER.   Keepers don't get up there, stop fucking about with this bottom corner shite...

[Chorley]

In the end we just weren't good enough - yet again!   

[Colston36]

I don't blame the penatly takers. I blame Southgate.

His studious approach works well at times but at other times, when action needed to be taken, he freezes.

For that first 15-20 mins we were slicing Italy wide open and then we sat back and seemed to be trying to hold onto our lead.

The late substitutions (or lack of) showed that Southgate was playing for penalties which really disappointed me.

An interesting time in our house: our other two watchers, mother and little daughter, support Italy. Southgate had the  courage to admit it was his fault. What on earth was he thinking of letting inexperienced young players take the penalties? Usual depressing racist comments. Italy had 70% of possession: amazing England did that well when run ragged.

[Blackpool Rock]

Harry Maguire showed how a penalty should be taken - run up and plant it in the TOP CORNER.   Keepers don't get up there, stop fucking about with this bottom corner shite...

Yeah as I previously posted they can't get power on it so it's low and a perfect height for keepers to save if they go the right way.
Agree Maguire's was a perfect pen and how it should be done 

[king tarzan]

An interesting time in our house: our other two watchers, mother and little daughter, support Italy. Southgate had the  courage to admit it was his fault. What on earth was he thinking of letting inexperienced young players take the penalties? Usual depressing racist comments. Italy had 70% of possession: amazing England did that well when run ragged.

We don't agree on much
But same page with your comments 👍

[joe diddley]

Southgate should have told them that they were not under any circumstances to take any of those stuttering Fancy Dan psyche-out-the-keeper penalties. Put it where you like but just put your laces through it like Kane and Maguire, especially if it's the really only job you've got to do on the night. Agree with Roy Keane (sorry auntie; watched it on ITV) who clearly said without saying as much that a senior player should have stepped up for number 5 (or have Kane take that one instead of number 1) rather than a 'child' as he put it. What happened to the bottle of the other senior players when they were planning who might take them and number five in particular? At least Saka had the bottle for this though his penalty was one of the shite variety to which I allude above.

England players taking their medals off as soon as they were placed round their necks seemed very childish. Other teams have done it of course but most at least wait until they get back to their huddle. One of the players was taking it off even as it was being put on him. I thought the English players might have been better than that but I was obviously wrong.

[ulstersubbie]

In my humble opinion Scotland were easily the worst team in the tournament, our lack of technical skills is an embarrassment.

I know that, no need to remind your fellow Scots!!!
England did really well, penalties are a lottery and that's the way it goes. England have a young squad that can only get better.

[timsussex]

Yeah, the all time premier league goal scorer Alan Shearer has missed his fair share, but the difference is he didn't piss about with a cartoon style running on the spot and pausing in the runup, he put the ball down ran up and kicked it. If it got saved the that's the goalkeeper getting lucky.

It isn't the missing of the penalty I'm talking about, as you say anyone can miss, it's the pissing about in the runup.

the trendy cartoon style run up looks good in Training sending the keeper the wrong way but when the pressure is on ?

several years ago one of the top golfers remodelled his swing because although it looked good in practice it wasn't reliable when the pressure was on

The really disappointing thing is that of all people Southgate should have known that taking penalties in a final is different to practice and shouldnt have put the youngsters under that pressure

[Squire Haggard]

I dont usually follow football, and I'm from north of the border to boot.  I think that Rashford's miss will stay in my mind. He managed to fool the keeper into diving the other way, and was a few inches from being a hero. I think that it will be remembered as much as Southgate's miss of 1996.









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[ManOFSteel]

Semi- serious comment. England's best sports are those that the public and grammar schools take seriously. Football (a hooligans game) does not fall into that category. Cricket, rugby, hockey, etc - all public school sports and we do well at them.
If football is the national sport, then it's too important to be left to state schools which have more or less abandoned sport (for reasons I well understand).

Good point. But why are we crap at tennis?

[Blackpool Rock]

Good point. But why are we crap at tennis?

Yeah and I didn't realise we were actually any good at hockey, are we 

Rowing and equestrian events perhaps along with Rugby.

Whereas at the pleb end we're quite good at the pub sports like Snooker and Darts 

[ManOFSteel]

My post-mortem, I really thought we'd win before the match, but after 15 mins we were crap. Chiellini, at 36yrs, I thought would be too old to keep up with Sterling but the old fox surprised me, even though he should have been sent off when he rugby tackled Saka. We were lucky that Chiesa got injured late on because he was absolutely phenomenal during the match and had a knack for scoring late goals. Pickford was our man of the match. Italy have beaten Switzerland, Belguim and Spain to get to the final. They are deserved winners.

[ManOFSteel]

Yeah and I didn't realise we were actually any good at hockey, are we 

Rowing and equestrian events perhaps along with Rugby.

Whereas at the pleb end we're quite good at the pub sports like Snooker and Darts 

And we have working class former wrong uns' Anthony Joshua and Tyson Fury as boxing champions, although boxing is more of a cartel than a sport.

[lillythesavage]

An interesting time in our house: our other two watchers, mother and little daughter, support Italy. Southgate had the  courage to admit it was his fault. What on earth was he thinking of letting inexperienced young players take the penalties? Usual depressing racist comments. Italy had 70% of possession: amazing England did that well when run ragged.

Southgate has a lot to be credited with building and gelling this squad and taking the blame but tactically he got it very wrong when it counted, hopefully he will learn from it and has been given the chance to extend his contract, if he can keep a squad together the way he does he should go for it.

Fans resorted to type, they are the reason neutral supporters always go for the opposition.