British Karina - Victoria - race issue

[unus669]

Is what it is at the end of the day, been discussed many times on here already a wg is free to choose who she sees and doesn't whatever her reasons. They should either state the NBA policy on their profile or communicate this right away over text before the punter sets off.

Going to a point above always find it funny a wg operating in an area that is highly populated by ethnic minorities, makes no sense business wise.

I wouldn’t engage the poster claiming if it is racist or not. As he effectively is in line to breaking  the rules, as far as I can remember. Some people like to regurgitate the same bollocks.

[bst]

you can't force someone to fuck you if they don't want to, even if the reason they don't want to fuck you is because you're an ethnic minority.

Reconsider this as: you can't force a shop to sell their goods and/or services to you, even if the reason they don't want to sell to you is because you're an ethnic minority.
The reality is you can/they are obliged.

But I see what you're doing. You're using the word "force" so you can lay the slippery slope to saying it would be rape 

[bst]

In continuum to rape point just so it's clear: it obviously would not be rape as prossies would be signing up for the job willingly and without right to turn customers away on discriminatory grounds (they would no longer have this "right" - in very loose terms - that they currently have), in line with the Equality Act 2010 in England, Scotland, and Wales - if we are getting technical. All prossies would be considered a service business in law. One would have to check the Ts and Cs in Northern Ireland.
Again you can disagree with the rationale, but it's what would happen if prostitution were to be fully legalised by Westminster.


Last I'll comment on this dead subject that has been regurgitated with similar counters time and time again as 669 said.

[MysteryManNo.7]

The point is that if the game was fully legalised you would not be able to discriminate on any grouds. So pointless aside you made there.

Just because you say it's bollocks or don't agree with the rationale doesn't mean it's not what would happen.

Let's not get into your pointless musings on why WG's have NBA policies (comical to suggest it can be down to attraction - I'm sure they're all attracted to fat, old, bhudda belly white guys i.e. me in 20 years  ) - but again it''s besides the point.

Once again, the only point was that, if the game was legalised, prossies wouldn't be able to have any discrimatory policies. End. No need for your attempted excuses or whataboutery.

You really come across as a bit psychopathic here; you're saying that if prostitution was fully legalised in the UK, SPs should have absolutely no right to refuse to see a punter?

Why is it so impossible for you to accept that some WGs will simply not find black men/ethnic minority men attractive?

For proof of this (and yes, I know this goes into dating preferences but it is relevant with regards to attraction) Look up dating response rates on dating apps and you will see that white women overwhelmingly respond positively to white men over black and Asian men. Is it fair? No, not at all. Are all of these women racist? No, it's fine to have preferences when dating or even just seeking out casual sex and yes, it's also fine for sex workers to have preferences over their clients.

You saying that sex work should be legalised so women cannot say no to any man is terrifying and says a lot about you.

I'm not debating that this particular working girl does not deserve the negative, she absolutely does; she wasted the OP's time and no doubt money travelling to see her only for her to say sorry, I don't see black clients when he arrived. It's  a shitty thing to do to someone and I'm glad the OP has made this review to advise other punters of her poor customer service but she is under no obligation to fuck any client even if the reason if because they are black. Her reasons for this are her own and we can't possibly know what they are. Maybe she is an out and out racist, maybe she just doesn't find black men attractive and doesn't want to service a client she won't feel any attraction to whatsoever.

[MysteryManNo.7]

Is what it is at the end of the day, been discussed many times on here already a wg is free to choose who she sees and doesn't whatever her reasons. They should either state the NBA policy on their profile or communicate this right away over text before the punter sets off.

Going to a point above always find it funny a wg operating in an area that is highly populated by ethnic minorities, makes no sense business wise.

Well said.

[MysteryManNo.7]

Reconsider this as: you can't force a shop to sell their goods and/or services to you, even if the reason they don't want to sell to you is because you're an ethnic minority.
The reality is you can/they are obliged.

But I see what you're doing. You're using the word "force" so you can lay the slippery slope to saying it would be rape 

Well done, you've come up with a false equivalence. A company/organisation refusing to serve people on the basis of skin colour/race is out and out racist. A woman choosing to not have sex with an Asian man because she doesn't find Asian men attractive may or may not be racist.

If her reason for not wanting to have sex with Asian men is because of some bigoted views regarding all Asians, sure, she's a racist however if she simply does not find them physically attractive but is otherwise not bigoted against Asians, she is not racist.

Am I a misandrist for not wanting to have sex with men?

[unus669]

In continuum to rape point just so it's clear: it obviously would not be rape as prossies would be signing up for the job willingly and without right to turn customers away on discriminatory grounds (they would no longer have this "right" - in very loose terms - that they currently have), in line with the Equality Act 2010 in England, Scotland, and Wales - if we are getting technical. All prossies would be considered a service business in law. One would have to check the Ts and Cs in Northern Ireland.
Again you can disagree with the rationale, but it's what would happen if prostitution were to be fully legalised by Westminster.


Last I'll comment on this dead subject that has been regurgitated with similar counters time and time again as 669 said.

I’ve done this dance many times, it’s a waste of time. All you’re gonna get is ludicrous “whataboutery”

[bst]

You really come across as a bit psychopathic here; you're saying that if prostitution was fully legalised in the UK, SPs should have absolutely no right to refuse to see a punter?

On discriminatory grounds in line with Equality Act 2010, no they would not. I.e. upon who you are. I imagine they could still refuse for reasons such as perceived levels of hygeine and e.g. no OWO because they perceive you have an STD. Now a prossie seemingly rejecting all black men because of these reasons is where you could have a hypothetical case.

You saying that sex work should be legalised so women cannot say no to any man is terrifying and says a lot about you.

1) I did not say this. I at no point even advocated legalisation. My musing was effectively do some prossies support decriminalise ahead of legalise, so they can maintain such policies like NBA.
2) but yes I did see you coming with the rape allusions 

I'm not debating that this particular working girl does not deserve the negative

No one accused you of this. You seem to be throwing a lot out there and getting off the objective facts.

A business, in England, Wales, and Scotland at least, would not be able to discriminate upon grounds of race.
If prostitution was completely legalised, prossies would be considered a business.

End. Nothing more, nothing less.

[Kev40ish]

I can’t be bothered to post what has been said before..
https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=305591.0

Read it before posting again as it did lead to bannings..

Thanks OP for the warning 

[bst]

Well done, you've come up with a false equivalence. A company/organisation refusing to serve people on the basis of skin colour/race is out and out racist. A woman choosing to not have sex with an Asian man because she doesn't find Asian men attractive may or may not be racist.

If her reason for not wanting to have sex with Asian men is because of some bigoted views regarding all Asians, sure, she's a racist however if she simply does not find them physically attractive but is otherwise not bigoted against Asians, she is not racist.

Am I a misandrist for not wanting to have sex with men?

The problem appears that you hold prostitution as something outside standard business. If that's your perogative, that's fine. So in your view it should never be legalised for these very reasons.

Every point I made was simply through that angle of if it were legalised.
I'm not sure I can list my points any more clearly or objectively as I have previously, especially in reply #57. So I will say no  more, despite being reeled in after previously stating that.

[Kev40ish]

The problem appears that you hold prostitution as something outside standard business. If that's your perogative, that's fine. So in your view it should never be legalised for these very reasons.

Every point I made was simply through that angle of if it were legalised.
I'm not sure I can list my points any more clearly or objectively as I have previously, especially in reply #57. So I will say no  more, despite being reeled in after previously stating that.

I’ll let this one go as you were probably typing it out 

[bst]

I can’t be bothered to post what has been said before..
https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=305591.0

Read it before posting again as it did lead to bannings..

Thanks OP for the warning 

Cool I'll end anyway. Last reply was done/started before seeing this.

[bst]

I’ll let this one go as you were probably typing it out 

 

Fuck me I seem to do this a lot. Need to get quicker on refresh.
Almost caused confusion by doing the same on something more relevant/on topic/intel providing here:

For clarity my comment was about External Link/Members Only

Looks like vivastreet post was made while I typed. Hence I should use quote function more sorry.

[MysteryManNo.7]

I can’t be bothered to post what has been said before..
https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=305591.0

Read it before posting again as it did lead to bannings..

Thanks OP for the warning 

Must admit, I'm disappointed at apparently not being permittted to refute the brain dead takes being espoused by bst but of course will respect the forum rules.

[Crockers]

Bollocks. It's unpleasant but you can't force someone to fuck you if they don't want to, even if the reason they don't want to fuck you is because you're an ethnic minority.

Say a female escort is approached by a woman and asked if she she offers her services to women; the escort says no as she is heterosexual. Should the female customer be allowed to take the escort to court for refusing to fuck her?

Yeah, I get the preference vs racist thing. A 'professional' turning down a client on preference is not a professional. For example her preference may be for long haired hunky rugby players over small pudgy bald men. Would she turn away all not like the former?

However when is it preference or racist? As others have pointed out, a major reason for the (mainly non-British) girls refusing to see Black men is because of 'bad experiences'. However they do not apply the same rule to White people.

The 'bad experience' trope tells my gut it's a racist blanket ban.

I have a preference for the British dirty GFN type, as I feel at home with them, so only see one regular non-Brit (but she's as Brit as they come). However if any other nationality or race approached me at a bar I would not turn my back on them, but judge them by their character.

I get the impression a lot of escorts think that London Blacks are crims. So guess that is another trope.

Reminds of the Black Cab debate from about 15/20 years ago when Black Cab drivers were all white and routinely refused to pick up Black clients.

Incidentally, I've checked Sexy Kot Karen's profile ( as she's back in Kingston) and she has actually expanded on this. She has now added that she has had two bad experiences with Black men but none with Indians. However she hasn't collated what experiences she has had with White men.

She also has a Chinese pimp and works out of Chinese houses. Ber-li-mey!

[Kev40ish]

Yeah, I get the preference vs racist thing. A 'professional' turning down a client on preference is not a professional. For example her preference may be for long haired hunky rugby players over small pudgy bald men. Would she turn away all not like the former?

However when is it preference or racist? As others have pointed out, a major reason for the (mainly non-British) girls refusing to see Black men is because of 'bad experiences'. However they do not apply the same rule to White people.

The 'bad experience' trope tells my gut it's a racist blanket ban.

I have a preference for the British dirty GFN type, as I feel at home with them, so only see one regular non-Brit (but she's as Brit as they come). However if any other nationality or race approached me at a bar I would not turn my back on them, but judge them by their character.

I get the impression a lot of escorts think that London Blacks are crims. So guess that is another trope.

Reminds of the Black Cab debate from about 15/20 years ago when Black Cab drivers were all white and routinely refused to pick up Black clients.

Incidentally, I've checked Sexy Kot Karen's profile ( as she's back in Kingston) and she has actually expanded on this. She has now added that she has had two bad experiences with Black men but none with Indians. However she hasn't collated what experiences she has had with White men.

She also has a Chinese pimp and works out of Chinese houses. Ber-li-mey!

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[ollielon]

It is legal to sell or pay for sex in England, as long as those involved are over 18 yrs old. So, yes it is.  Stop trying to complicate matters.

yep definitely it is legal ... but still not a socially accepted ... it is the only job where you get away with refusing the service but taking the money .. try to raise a complaint with the ombudsman to see  There is pro/cons that it stays that way for both punters and SP ...

[RRaccoon69]

I'm a foreigner myself (though I'm white so never experienced racism) and I agree. Although London is probably very much multi-cultural, not sure about other parts of the country. But SPs seem to be much more racist (in proportion) than the average British population

I agree with the above. SP across the country are definitely more openly racist. They use size as an excuse but we all know that is complete and utter BS!!!