British Karina - Victoria - race issue

[Mrx1642]

After reading up some good reviews about her I decided to visit British Karina - External Link/Members Only - Comms were all good and time agreed, location easy to find, but she cancelled on me when I got to the door due to the colour of my skin, I mean everyone has their own preference but asking me what colour I am before I made the 35 minute journey would have saved us both some hassle, first ever negative from me

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[Payyourwaymate]

NBA policy? She should put it on her profile. Unlucky OP. Just seen you told her to have a great day on the messages after she actively discriminated against you. LOL Why?

[Perseus02]

NBA policy? She should put it on her profile. Unlucky OP. Just seen you told her to have a great day on the messages after she actively discriminated against you. LOL Why?

This is England after all, there is no excuse to be rude, ever!
Sorry you had a bad experience OP, she should put it in her profile or should have asked you beforehand, if that's something that bothers her. Not fair to tell you once you've come all the way to hers!

[king tarzan]

This is England after all, there is no excuse to be rude, ever!
Sorry you had a bad experience OP, she should put it in her profile or should have asked you beforehand, if that's something that bothers her. Not fair to tell you once you've come all the way to hers!

IMHO I can only account for my life in London only a small percentage of people hold racial prejudice..
Overall I would say only a small percentage are racist in England..
Overall a very beautiful tolerant country..❤️❤️❤️

( Just an opinion, nothing politics as I know that's not allowed so no need for sensitivities)

[Perseus02]

IMHO I can only account for my life in London only a small percentage of people hold racial prejudice..
Overall I would say only a small percentage are racist in England..
Overall a very beautiful tolerant country..❤️❤️❤️

( Just an opinion, nothing politics as I know that's not allowed so no need for sensitivities)

I'm a foreigner myself (though I'm white so never experienced racism) and I agree. Although London is probably very much multi-cultural, not sure about other parts of the country. But SPs seem to be much more racist (in proportion) than the average British population

[popmopcop]

NBA policy? She should put it on her profile. Unlucky OP. Just seen you told her to have a great day on the messages after she actively discriminated against you. LOL Why?

I put my hat is off to him. It's called being a gentleman. Think there is an old saying about maintaining dignity in the face of adversity.

We can never agree on preference Vs prejudice but we can still be dignified in our response.

[Simpleas]

🙈 Theres nothing racist about having preferences, accept it for what it is

[Link7]

I think you handled this well. From other reviews, I know some guys in this situation have got angry or begged. But I think if you get angry, that sort of justifies her preconception that you wouldn't have been a good client. And if you beg, that's sort of sacrificing your dignity.

Brushing it off is a good reaction, because it shows you consider it her loss (as you should - you can be balls deep in someone else in half an hour).

She will likely have been surprised that you didn't care and probably realised that she'd turned away a perfectly decent person.

[MrBeano]

that same old i had "issues in the past bullshit" first put on your profile and stop wasting people's time, 2nd i believe some just dont want to see coloured people and just use this "issues in the past " excuse.

[Payyourwaymate]

I put my hat is off to him. It's called being a gentleman. Think there is an old saying about maintaining dignity in the face of adversity.

We can never agree on preference Vs prejudice but we can still be dignified in our response.

He's a better man than me then, I would have not said anything at all and just left. He's moving like Jesus turning the other cheek and still showing kindness to a person who is discriminating against him without even bothering speaking to him first since he was already at the door to judge the situation. She did not even put a disclaimer on her profile saying "Due to previous bad experience no XYZ race". If she wants to discriminate that is fine but at least give notice. Terrible and unprofessional behaviour, OP made a long journey only to be fucked about for something he has no control over. She did not even have to heart to say it directly it's because of his race, just said I'm not comfortable with "that". Pathetic really.

[Payyourwaymate]

🙈 Theres nothing racist about having preferences, accept it for what it is

That's not the problem, the issue is she did not give notice on her profile or comms of her racial preference for customers. Because now it looks like active discrimination against him as before everything was fine in the messages till she saw what he looked like.

[MrT222]

Thanks for letting us know. Hopefully she catches wind of this review and puts it on her profile. For our benefit and hers.

[JPin]

I think you handled this well. From other reviews, I know some guys in this situation have got angry or begged. But I think if you get angry, that sort of justifies her preconception that you wouldn't have been a good client. And if you beg, that's sort of sacrificing your dignity.

Yeah agreed, fair play to the OP. It's not always easy to stay calm and dignified in that situation. I had the same thing with Sheila Grant not long ago and made sure I responded gracefully, even though it irked me - that's just the way I am anyway. I messaged her afterwards to tell her "I understand you have specific preferences but please make that clear on your profile", which I see she has now.

[Trex]

Mrx1642 Did a right thing, was polite and wasn’t Aggressive to her. She Deserved a negative for wasting your time and travel. It’s her lost at the end of the day.

[The Italian Stallion]

Things are not always as the first thought in us presents them:
A week ago I decided that I want to meet one of the most respected girls here who has only positive feedback and they are frequent, but this girl and I are compatriots from one country in her profile nowhere is noted about the preferences she has for men who wants to meet, however, I know that there are girls who, being in another country, do not want to meet compatriots. In these meetings, as well as during the arrangements, I never allowed myself to lie to any girl! So, I knew that with my recognition that we are compatriots, I reduce my chances to 99% to meet this girl, and I had a great desire even for a long meeting. She would not even understand my nationality. But I did not I took advantage and I was right she apologized and said she didn't want to meet people of her nationality.
I do not use a fake phone. I always say where I am from, what my name is and how old I am. No lies! But it is very important that the conversation is really with the girl herself.
Would it have been fair on my part if I had written a negative?

[Perseus02]

I think so, yes. Because you were refused service anyway.

[dwagonkin1]

Things are not always as the first thought in us presents them:
A week ago I decided that I want to meet one of the most respected girls here who has only positive feedback and they are frequent, but this girl and I are compatriots from one country in her profile nowhere is noted about the preferences she has for men who wants to meet, however, I know that there are girls who, being in another country, do not want to meet compatriots. In these meetings, as well as during the arrangements, I never allowed myself to lie to any girl! So, I knew that with my recognition that we are compatriots, I reduce my chances to 99% to meet this girl, and I had a great desire even for a long meeting. She would not even understand my nationality. But I did not I took advantage and I was right she apologized and said she didn't want to meet people of her nationality.
I do not use a fake phone. I always say where I am from, what my name is and how old I am. No lies! But it is very important that the conversation is really with the girl herself.
Would it have been fair on my part if I had written a negative?

It shouldnt be upto you to have to ask and state where you are from when you are going to someone advertising a service. If there are reasons why you dont want to see a specific type of person then you have every right to refuse them but it shouldnt be OP's problem to go out of his way to make it clear of his race before the meet unless they specifically ask for it.

As a coloured person myself if a girl does not want to see coloured people im completely fine with it, it does not affect me and i respect her decisions but at the same time if i was in OPs case, id of given it a negative also as she should advertise that she does not see 'x' and 'y', as it saves everyone time at the end of the day.

Either way well handled mate, true gentleman and manners tbh.

[ManOFSteel]

If she had bad experiences with white fellas would she discriminate? I doubt it.

Personally I would have kicked up a fuss and called Jessie Jackson, Black Lives Matter and Dianne Abbott for her wasting my precious time.

[tazz]

It shouldnt be upto you to have to ask and state where you are from when you are going to someone advertising a service. If there are reasons why you dont want to see a specific type of person then you have every right to refuse them but it shouldnt be OP's problem to go out of his way to make it clear of his race before the meet unless they specifically ask for it.

As a coloured person myself if a girl does not want to see coloured people im completely fine with it, it does not affect me and i respect her decisions but at the same time if i was in OPs case, id of given it a negative also as she should advertise that she does not see 'x' and 'y', as it saves everyone time at the end of the day.

Either way well handled mate, true gentleman and manners tbh.

The term coloured is out dated stopped being used in the 80s as seen as racist. Most escorts dont seem to see black guys, most say its not a racist thing as lots of black escorts also dont see them.

[king tarzan]

The term coloured is out dated stopped being used in the 80s as seen as racist. Most escorts dont seem to see black guys, most say its not a racist thing as lots of black escorts also dont see them.

Could it be the cricket bat size?
They don't wanted there ruus cluut boombacluut mango bashed for 6??😂😂😂😂

[puntingpumping1920]

I've had a few similar experiences like this.

First was with Megan

From experience, you have double check with expensive Brazilians if they allow black customers

One good reason why using an agency is great when you're minority is that they can vouch for you

If you're loyal customer

[The Night King]

What's telling is how her Sergei has piled in with the fake reviews now that function is active on AW again.

These are Karina's 



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[alabama1]

I doubt it is fake feedback as the guys leaving it seem to be established members with loads of fb. I could understand if everyone had 1 or 2. 

[arrow0404]

I doubt it is fake feedback as the guys leaving it seem to be established members with loads of fb. I could understand if everyone had 1 or 2. 

100% fake feedback look in to the reviews all the same names appear

In particular ‘Alice outcall, Liz GFE, iris cute.
And a more well know SP ‘Ella bolt’ 

[The Night King]

I doubt it is fake feedback as the guys leaving it seem to be established members with loads of fb. I could understand if everyone had 1 or 2. 

Really?  If you don't mind me saying so I think you're being a little naive 

Click on 'established member' Scotish_lad and see the feedback he's had. 15 feedbacks in 2 weeks 

The clusters of feedback at the same time, blah blah. That's real? I can't be bothered to check all of them but that's what Sergei does innit!

[unus669]

Unlucky OP, sometimes this shit happens with cuntish WGs , better luck next time.

However, instead of wishing her a good day. Politely suggesting she puts her NBA policy on her profile, to avoid wasting peoples time, would have been a better response

Also, you might see some responses you don’t like on here. I’d advise not to engages, as these kind of thread always end up in the same dance.

[samsmith_1231]

After reading up some good reviews about her I decided to visit British Karina - External Link/Members Only - Comms were all good and time agreed, location easy to find, but she cancelled on me when I got to the door due to the colour of my skin, I mean everyone has their own preference but asking me what colour I am before I made the 35 minute journey would have saved us both some hassle, first ever negative from me

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Did she take a look through the peep hole or did she open the door?

Also I wonder how many working girls take photos of those coming into the flat from the video buzzer

[justanotherinch]

I'm a foreigner myself (though I'm white so never experienced racism) and I agree. Although London is probably very much multi-cultural, not sure about other parts of the country. But SPs seem to be much more racist (in proportion) than the average British population

A lot to do with inherent sexual preferences, largely due to what you are brought up on. Of course there’s racism but also many especially younger people don’t see colour in terms of attractiveness either. It’s odd here though as most girls would prefer a young in-shape non-white man rather than an overweight bald unhygenic white guy so god knows... this ‘bad experience’ malarkey’s obviously BS, everyone puts that down.

I’m non white and generally only into white women so who am I to speak. I’ve not been turned down on the door as far as I remember but at best this is rightly a negative due to poor comms and time wasted.

[ollielon]

That's not the problem, the issue is she did not give notice on her profile or comms of her racial preference for customers. Because now it looks like active discrimination against him as before everything was fine in the messages till she saw what he looked like.

Definitely discrimination .. she had bad experience with one and assume all are the same .. she deserves a negative for not informing before BUT better this than she takes the money and give you attitude afterwards ... well done for being a gentleman on the text though and thanks for the review ...

[pantywetter]

Credit to the OP.  I too would have given her a piece of my mind for being a time waster if nothing else.

[Crockers]

I think the escort in question is a coward as well as a racist.

At least those who say they will only fuck white men are honest racists for being upfront about it, albeit measly mouthed over the reasons for doing so.

However, some of them will still fuck those of Indian heritage!

Personally, as a London Anglo Indian, all my regs, and all the women I've seen over the last year and a half, have been White. Though that is more to do with the fact that there is a wider selection of White girls to select my type from, as opposed to the scarcity of girls of Indian and African/Caribbean heritage in London.

I don't think this is a political debate, as that is not allowed here. It is a legitimate topic of discussion as London is almost 50% non-White therefore non-White London punters need to know how to navigate the London escort scene.

And escorts need to be aware that they are working in a City that is almost 50% non-White, is one of the most multicultural places in the world, has a Muslim Mayor etc.

London is not a provincial town in the sticks, UK or Eastern Europe or somewhere. Working in London and saying you will only fuck Whites is like going to Scotland and saying that you will only fuck the English.

Purely on a personal note I have never had an issue with being seen by any of the approx 30 girls I've seen. Sometimes it's been the opposite. One (ex)reg even told me, in her personal life, she prefers men of Indian heritage. Lol.

[bst]

One thing I would say is although London is almost/around 50% non-white, the punting client base is likely overwhelmingly white (I would say 80% plus) due to socioeconomic factors.

But it's a pointless debate. Fuck the prossie, either way. If you're white and still like her profile - go and fuck her. If you're not white - (don't) fuck (with) her 


OP is classy, the prossie is not.

The interesting thing I always note from these cases, is that if prostitution was fully legalised, they wouldn't be able to discrimination. And the sceptic in me says that this is one of the reasons why prossies often advocate "decriminalise" as opposed to "legalise"
I.e. have their cake and eat it.

[alabama1]

One thing I would say is although London is almost/around 50% non-white, the punting client base is likely overwhelmingly white (I would say 80% plus) due to socioeconomic factors.

But it's a pointless debate. Fuck the prossie, either way. If you're white and still like her profile - go and fuck her. If you're not white - (don't) fuck (with) her 


OP is classy, the prossie is not.

The interesting thing I always note from these cases, is that if prostitution was fully legalised, they wouldn't be able to discrimination. And the sceptic in me says that this is one of the reasons why prossies often advocate "decriminalise" as opposed to "legalise"
I.e. have their cake and eat it.

It already is.

[bst]

No it's not.

The various factors deemed illegal certainly puts the legal framework of the game at-large into a grey area of quasi-legal or quasi-criminal. And those factors are more likely to be expanded right now, not reduced (see D Johnson MP bill).

[alabama1]

No it's not.

The various factors deemed illegal certainly puts the legal framework of the game at-large into a grey area of quasi-legal or quasi-criminal. And those factors are more likely to be expanded right now, not reduced (see D Johnson MP bill).

It is legal to sell or pay for sex in England, as long as those involved are over 18 yrs old. So, yes it is.  Stop trying to complicate matters.

[unus669]

It is legal to sell or pay for sex in England, as long as those involved are over 18 yrs old. So, yes it is.  Stop trying to complicate matters.

I think the BST gets that.

The fact is, it’s only really legal in name. It’s a form of employment that lacks regulation, deemed immoral by our legal system and if I’m not mistaken, is not accepted as a form of employment by HMRC, I haven’t heard or come across where the tax office data describes ones self employment as a prostitute.

When wgs have the equivalent of OFCOM and can submit taxes returns as prostitutes? Then it might be legal employment  in the full sense of the word

[bst]

It is legal to sell or pay for sex in England, as long as those involved are over 18 yrs old. So, yes it is.  Stop trying to complicate matters.

There are plenty of restrictions beyond simply being 18. You are lacking in knowledge while trying to be smart - a great irony.

My very point that you originally quoted in bold was that the game isn't fully legalised - this is a fact.
In case you are too vapid - my implication was that if the game did become fully legalised (prossies on a register like in Germany e.g.) then OP would hypothetically be able to take her to court for discrimination in the same way he could if a local shop refused his custom on the same grounds the prossie did.
That was my only point.
Under current legal framework, he'd be laughed out of police station, court, etc.

The anecdotal link I made was the fact that "decrim" appears to be more popular among prossies than "legalise" - especially among the higher end prossies who are usually vocal about these things. So as I said, the cynical part of me wonders if it's because they want to not be accountable for things like this.

Happy punting 

[GOOD MAN]

Perhaps I am in a minority (pun intended?), but when a meeting is potentially agreed I always SMS stating I am not white.

Fortunately, it has saved me with only ONE MEET to date as there was radio silence from the provider!

Whilst i would of course condemn prejudice of all forms, I'd hate to be in receipt of insincere service from a provider because my skin colour gives her a complex!

[unus669]

Perhaps I am in a minority (pun intended?), but when a meeting is potentially agreed I always SMS stating I am not white.

Fortunately, it has saved me with only ONE MEET to date as there was radio silence from the provider!

Whilst i would of course condemn prejudice of all forms, I'd hate to be in receipt of insincere service from a provider because my skin colour gives her a complex!

I get where you’re coming from, but you shouldn’t  have to do that, I never have.

Do you think this wg, if/when pregnant would or be able to find out the race of the gynaecologist that will be delivering her child?

This industry is unregulated(barely), that’s why we experience this kinda cuntish behaviour from WGs.

[bst]

Perhaps I am in a minority (pun intended?), but when a meeting is potentially agreed I always SMS stating I am not white.

Fortunately, it has saved me with only ONE MEET to date as there was radio silence from the provider!

Whilst i would of course condemn prejudice of all forms, I'd hate to be in receipt of insincere service from a provider because my skin colour gives her a complex!

Seems a good tactic. May as well get it out there and any prossie who cares will make it obvious.

Your last sentence is spot on IMHO and why I don't really understand  some brothers on here who complain with the MO of seemingly wanting to change the prossie's mind. Fuck em!

[bst]

This industry is unregulated(barely), that’s why we experience this kinda cuntish behaviour from WGs.

For full clarity and not to confuse Mr Alabama, I'm not even necessarily advocating a regulation body. Just the fact of making it fully legal and many things that go with it (e.g. HMRC point you mentioned) would mean they''d be accountable to this kind of shit.
If the game was made fully legal, and registration of sorts like in Germany is just one of a number of forms that could take... discrimination against minority ethnic punters would have to stop.

[unus669]

For full clarity and not to confuse Mr Alabama, I'm not even necessarily advocating a regulation body. Just the fact of making it fully legal and many things that go with it (e.g. HMRC point you mentioned) would mean they''d be accountable to this kind of shit.
If the game was made fully legal, and registration of sorts like in Germany is just one of a number of forms that could take... discrimination against minority ethnic punters would have to stop.

Totally agree.

I believe the more accountable they are, the less we would see of OP’s experience.

[Crockers]

I used to state that I was Anglo Indian when first starting out but don't now as:

None of the girls were bothered.
I don't declare my race when booking a table, for example, at a pub.

Actually, one of the first girls I saw did ask for my ethnicity. She said she saw Indians but not Blacks. Sexy Hot Karen in Kingston. (Reviewed.)

I saw her.

Now I wonder if I did the right thing in seeing her? For example, if I knew a pub refused to serve Black people but served Whites and Indians, I wouldn't enter. So why would I treat an escort differently?

Or is there something satisfying about fucking a racist?

[bst]

Or is there something satisfying about fucking a racist?

Lool

Checked your Karen review. A racist Romanian. Surprise surprise. Victoria may or may not actually be British/British porn judging by past reviews.
There is something about white EU migrants who come to these shores and are racist to our OG British commonwealth legacy bretherens that really annoys me 

[Circusboy]

That behaviour is just not good enough.

Off my HL.

[bst]

if I knew a pub refused to serve Black people but served Whites and Indians, I wouldn't enter. So why would I treat an escort differently?

Exactly why I don't see these bitches either. In addition most of my friends are brothers and I grew up in a African commonwealth legacy migration heavy community, so I have a personal connect that makes me genuinely despise racists, having grew up in the 80s and seen some of the stuff that happened to my friends during that decade and beyond.

But I suppose this very point we can view this as a positive insofar prossies. Brothers moreso. At least can avoid giving racist prossies hard earned dough who will see them through gritted teeth - which would happen if game got fully legalised. So there are pros and cons both ways for minority ethnic punters via this issue.
To again transition to everyday life. I'm sure many have bought stuff from shops that they have been racially profiled in or what not - but the racists still reaped the money. At least Karina (just realised I previously called her Victoria through freudian of the location) and those types don't profit in spite of racism 

[MysteryManNo.7]

I'm a foreigner myself (though I'm white so never experienced racism) and I agree. Although London is probably very much multi-cultural, not sure about other parts of the country. But SPs seem to be much more racist (in proportion) than the average British population

It's not racist for a WG to not want to have sex with for example black men if she is just not attracted to them or otherwise does not want to. Are gay men all misogynists for not wanting to fuck women?

What was shitty about her behaviour is not making this point clear on her profile from the off and for wasting the OP's time only telling him when he arrived.

[MysteryManNo.7]

There are plenty of restrictions beyond simply being 18. You are lacking in knowledge while trying to be smart - a great irony.

My very point that you originally quoted in bold was that the game isn't fully legalised - this is a fact.
In case you are too vapid - my implication was that if the game did become fully legalised (prossies on a register like in Germany e.g.) then OP would hypothetically be able to take her to court for discrimination in the same way he could if a local shop refused his custom on the same grounds the prossie did.
That was my only point.
Under current legal framework, he'd be laughed out of police station, court, etc.

The anecdotal link I made was the fact that "decrim" appears to be more popular among prossies than "legalise" - especially among the higher end prossies who are usually vocal about these things. So as I said, the cynical part of me wonders if it's because they want to not be accountable for things like this.

Happy punting 

Bollocks. It's unpleasant but you can't force someone to fuck you if they don't want to, even if the reason they don't want to fuck you is because you're an ethnic minority.

Say a female escort is approached by a woman and asked if she she offers her services to women; the escort says no as she is heterosexual. Should the female customer be allowed to take the escort to court for refusing to fuck her?

[Mr Sinister]

Is what it is at the end of the day, been discussed many times on here already a wg is free to choose who she sees and doesn't whatever her reasons. They should either state the NBA policy on their profile or communicate this right away over text before the punter sets off.

Going to a point above always find it funny a wg operating in an area that is highly populated by ethnic minorities, makes no sense business wise.

[bst]

Bollocks. It's unpleasant but you can't force someone to fuck you if they don't want to, even if the reason they don't want to fuck you is because you're an ethnic minority.

Say a female escort is approached by a woman and asked if she she offers her services to women; the escort says no as she is heterosexual. Should the female customer be allowed to take the escort to court for refusing to fuck her?

The point is that if the game was fully legalised you would not be able to discriminate on any grouds. So pointless aside you made there.

Just because you say it's bollocks or don't agree with the rationale doesn't mean it's not what would happen.

Let's not get into your pointless musings on why WG's have NBA policies (comical to suggest it can be down to attraction - I'm sure they're all attracted to fat, old, bhudda belly white guys i.e. me in 20 years  ) - but again it''s besides the point.

Once again, the only point was that, if the game was legalised, prossies wouldn't be able to have any discrimatory policies. End. No need for your attempted excuses or whataboutery.