Rochdale Grooming gang still not deported

[smiths]

A classic case of the usual in this soft PC country, the rights of utter scum gets put before the feelings of victims and the safety of the public.

[ulstersubbie]

Not sure if it was at the same time that Polytechnics got rebranded as Universities to give them better street cred when applying for jobs but all that happened is that simply having a degree isn't good enough, it has to be from the right university so nothing really changed.






The other point is that we need plumbers and electricians etc, people with practical skills not qualifications in the history of dance, apprenticeships and vocational training have been looked down on for the last 30 or 40 years but I think they are now coming back into fashion, hopefully.   

Back in the day going to a polytechnic was actually better, you would get work experience as opposed to spending all your time in the lecture hall.

Plumbers, electricians etc are what we need, more old style apprenticeships instead of Mickey mouse degrees. Scrap GCSES and bring back O levels which were designed for those who were brighter academically.
 

[Ali Katt]

Back in the day going to a polytechnic was actually better, you would get work experience as opposed to spending all your time in the lecture hall.

Plumbers, electricians etc are what we need, more old style apprenticeships instead of Mickey mouse degrees. Scrap GCSES and bring back O levels which were designed for those who were brighter academically.

Everybody heard about the news story of schools giving out medals for sports day if you just took part. I'm not sure how credible the story is, but you can see that in schools. Even when I was at school people would get laughed at if they said they will be a famous footballer when they leave school. Now it would be met with "yes very good" without questioning if that person is willing to train 7 days a week and get up at 5 am even in the rain and are already playing for a local team not taking into account natural talent.

Polytechnics are pretty much a joke now second rate to Russell Group unis. Who wants to go to Preston? I think the point I was making was make it a race to the top, not the bottom rather than pander to the kids who are disruptive, thick, lazy or just don't want to be there. Make the curriculum hard, I'm not saying it should be a 1950s education, but to much emphasis is placed on critical theory and opinion.

[Ali Katt]

A classic case of the usual in this soft PC country, the rights of utter scum gets put before the feelings of victims and the safety of the public.

You see it over and over again. Good for the lawyers, infuriating for the public, the victims and the police.

[cideruk]

Polytechnics are pretty much a joke now second rate to Russell Group unis. Who wants to go to Preston?

Something like aero engineering from Uclan far more likely to get a job than say Psychology, Economics and Politics from a Russell Group Uni

[Jimmyredcab]

The killer of Lorraine Cox has been sentenced to a minimum of 20 years, he was denied asylum in December 2018 but not deported.   



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[MilleMiglia]

Everybody heard about the news story of schools giving out medals for sports day if you just took part. I'm not sure how credible the story is, but you can see that in schools. Even when I was at school people would get laughed at if they said they will be a famous footballer when they leave school. Now it would be met with "yes very good" without questioning if that person is willing to train 7 days a week and get up at 5 am even in the rain and are already playing for a local team not taking into account natural talent.

Polytechnics are pretty much a joke now second rate to Russell Group unis. Who wants to go to Preston? I think the point I was making was make it a race to the top, not the bottom rather than pander to the kids who are disruptive, thick, lazy or just don't want to be there. Make the curriculum hard, I'm not saying it should be a 1950s education, but to much emphasis is placed on critical theory and opinion.

I heard of one primary school where the 100 yard dash (or similar) consisted of two parts. In the first half, everyone went flat out. They then stopped, all held hands, and trotted in across the finish line as one.

[badsin]

The killer of Lorraine Cox has been sentenced to a minimum of 20 years, he was denied asylum in December 2018 but not deported.   



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Very few are ever deported, particularly if it's to a non-western country.
I think we should deport back to the country of origin and pay that country to imprison them for the duration of the sentence

[Yankee21]

Something like aero engineering from Uclan far more likely to get a job than say Psychology, Economics and Politics from a Russell Group Uni

Laughably out of touch.

PPE will get you in the door for an interview in most professions which aren't highly specialised.

I've taken 4 grads from UCL over last two years for starts in financial services. Doing very well after their year probation.

[Jimmyredcab]

Very few are ever deported, particularly if it's to a non-western country.
I think we should deport back to the country of origin and pay that country to imprison them for the duration of the sentence

Good idea in principle but it would never be allowed, it certainly wouldn’t cost £700 a week to keep someone in a Syrian prison.

[myothernameis]

Regardless of Shamima Begum, these scum should be outta here and back home to Pakistan. Utter vermin  .tation? 

At sometime, the shit is going to hit the fans, as it is found out, these grooming gangs, have been back to what they were caught doing before.  At this point there bound to be questions, on why they were released or deported

[Gordon Bennett]

We're out of the European Court of Human Rights now, but not out of International Law, and we wouldn't want to be.

Some Law firms do Pro Bono.

We are still fully bound by the European Convention on Human Right and it's legal framework/enforcement via its court. It operates fully outside the EU and us entirely independent of the EU. It's been around since 50s, long before EU existed.

[Gordon Bennett]

We are still fully bound by the European Convention on Human Rights and it's legal framework/enforcement via its court. It operates fully outside the EU and is entirely independent of the EU. It's been around since 50s, long before EU existed.

[Gordon Bennett]

My finger has developed a spasm!

[David1970]

Try reading other papers apart from The Guardian. 



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Strange that young UK women protest at convicted rapists being deported.

I don’t read UK newspaper or The Daily Mail

Couldn’t find anything to do with young woman protesting at convicted rapists being deported in the BBC or NYT.

[chrishornx]

My finger has developed a spasm!

 

[winkywanky]

Applies to the police force as well, you could have 10 years experience and your superior has none, but a degree in business studies. I also agree with what you are saying.

Are you referring to Direct/Degree Entrants?

We had a couple of those at the place I worked at when I first joined, they had no idea of what went on on 'the shop floor' because they'd never really experienced it (save from 3mths initial training covering the basics). As a result they weren't particularly good in-role, made bad decisions and were roundly ridiculed by their underlings who knew vastly more about the nuts and bolts of the job.

It was effectively an experiment which was dropped and never used again.

I guess it would depend on the job in question, but for the police it sounds like a faintly ludicrous idea  .

[winkywanky]

We are still fully bound by the European Convention on Human Right and it's legal framework/enforcement via its court. It operates fully outside the EU and us entirely independent of the EU. It's been around since 50s, long before EU existed.

That's news to me. Is this in perpetuity, or one of the things which is being phased out as part of the Brexit deal (like the EU Fishing Policy)?

[winkywanky]

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Interesting reading.

Of course there were various instances where some particularly odious individuals were 'assisted' by the ECoHR, was this effectively at the behest of the EU, ie will things be different now after Brexit?

I find it interesting that Russia are also under the umbrella of the EHCR, I wonder how many contraventions they've had?

[cideruk]

I don’t read UK newspaper or The Daily Mail

Couldn’t find anything to do with young woman protesting at convicted rapists being deported in the BBC or NYT.

So you ignore all evidence then claim it never happened, okay then, bit strange but whatever

[cideruk]

Laughably out of touch.

PPE will get you in the door for an interview in most professions which aren't highly specialised.

I've taken 4 grads from UCL over last two years for starts in financial services. Doing very well after their year probation.

PPE is Politics, Philosophy and Economics though

Reading isn't really all that specialised but seems beyond some

[mh]

Begum's case is different, her nationality seems to be in doubt technically, IMO an international court should adjudicate on this.

I don't think Begum's nationality really is in doubt, much though Priti Vacant would like it to be. Like T.May with Hamza, she'll end up losing case after case about it but keep finding another way to stop her coming back into the country until someone else has the job.

Begum is, sadly, a British citizen and problem no matter where her parents were born. And quite a problem it is. She was a child when she left to join ISIS. But still above the age of criminal responsibility. But did she really know what she was doing? Had she been groomed? We don't blame the 15 year old girls who were groomed for sex by the Rochdale gang, so why blame her for her stupidity in joining ISIS? But now she's an adult and since being an adult has potentially committed crimes. Where should she be tried for that? Was it a consequence of earlier immature actions anyway?

The Rochdale groomers have been tried and convicted as adults for their heinous actions so no matter what technicality they are claiming to try to stay in the country, they should be deported if they are not British - even on a technicality.

[Jimmyredcab]

I don't think Begum's nationality really is in doubt, much though Priti Vacant would like it to be.

Yes, we are aware that you detest the current administration. 

[StingRay]

Waste of a perfectly good plane.

Just put 'em on a ship off across an ocean and lose then about half way across, tie them together and only give one of them a lifevest.

Strongly disagree - all of then should be given a lifevest, made of concrete of course! 

[mh]

Yes, we are aware that you detest the current administration. 

It wasn't a political point (that's not allowed). I just think she's a vile excuse for a human being who was sacked for what could be deemed treason. 

[Jimmyredcab]

Begum is, sadly, a British citizen and problem no matter where her parents were born. And quite a problem it is. She was a child when she left to join ISIS. But still above the age of criminal responsibility. But did she really know what she was doing? Had she been groomed?

Technically she was a child when she decided to support ISIS but she wasn’t a child when she did the interview for Sky News and said beheadings were not a concern because they are OK under Sharia law.   

[Jimmyredcab]

It wasn't a political point (that's not allowed).

The name of the Home Secretary is Priti Patel, not Priti Vacant, maybe it was a typo.   

[David1970]

So you ignore all evidence then claim it never happened, okay then, bit strange but whatever

Strange that young UK women protest at convicted rapists being deported.

What evidence of woman protesting against rapist being deported, sorry I must have missed it?

Someone post a photo and article of a group of men and woman who protested against deportation, but nothing in the article about rapists

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[mh]

Technically she was a child when she decided to support ISIS but she wasn’t a child when she did the interview for Sky News and said beheadings were not a concern because they are OK under Sharia law.   

Yes and surely you have to ask yourself whether a child having made a decision to leave the country and join ISIS, almost certainly having been groomed to do so, is then fully responsible for further stupid decisions up to and after the point of adulthood? I'm no psychologist but lord only knows what state her mind is in after being an ISIS bride in Syria or wherever from her mid-teens with several children born to her and dying in the process. She could clearly still be bloody dangerous - I am not doubting that at all.

[David1970]

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Strange that young UK women protest at convicted rapists being deported.

Sorry did I miss the section in the article where they mentioned woman protest at convicted rapists being deported, could you possibly point it out, thank you in advance?

[cideruk]

Sorry did I miss the section in the article where they mentioned woman protest at convicted rapists being deported, could you possibly point it out, thank you in advance?

Okay will try again

The Fuzzy Felt version

Rapists on flight for deportation - following still?
Women amongst protesters -  not going too fast am I?

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Apology accepted...

[willie loman]

Okay will try again

The Fuzzy Felt version

Rapists on flight for deportation - following still?
Women amongst protesters -  not going too fast am I?

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dont bother about him, the boy david craves attention.
Apology accepted...

[David1970]

Okay will try again

The Fuzzy Felt version

Rapists on flight for deportation - following still?
Women amongst protesters -  not going too fast am I?

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Apology accepted...

Thank you finally an actual article that has the words rapists, deported and female demonstrators in it.

For the recorded I agree with the governments new Bill which will curtail these demonstrations hopefully.

[David1970]

Willie thought you would have known how use the quote function by now. Why not ask one of your pimp pals to show you?

[willie loman]

Thank you finally an actual article that has the words rapists, deported and female demonstrators in it.

For the recorded I agree with the governments new Bill which will curtail these demonstrations hopefully.

why cant you use google like everyone else? just about everyone in britain was aware of this story, instead you exasperate everyone with a demand of "proof".

[David1970]

why cant you use google like everyone else? just about everyone in britain was aware of this story, instead you exasperate everyone with a demand of "proof".

I know this will be a strange concept to you Willie, but statements of fact should be backed up with facts.

Are you going for a hat trick and troll me on to a third topic toning?

[tynetunnel]

Since I have both of the Crazy Twins on ignore, this thread has gone pretty quiet for me!

But we should be deporting any foreign born criminals at the end of their sentence if not before. Whatever Baroness Chakrabarti might have to say to the contrary

[fredhiggins]

We're out of the European Court of Human Rights now, but not out of International Law, and we wouldn't want to be.

Some Law firms do Pro Bono.

He's another one I don't like. Good music though.

[fredhiggins]

Laughably out of touch.

PPE will get you in the door for an interview in most professions which aren't highly specialised.

I've taken 4 grads from UCL over last two years for starts in financial services. Doing very well after their year probation.

If someone turned up to an interview in PPE I don't think I would take them on. A suit is better.

[Ali Katt]

Since I have both of the Crazy Twins on ignore, this thread has gone pretty quiet for me!

But we should be deporting any foreign born criminals at the end of their sentence if not before. Whatever Baroness Chakrabarti might have to say to the contrary

The same lady who was given a seat in the house for writing a report on anti semitism in the Labour party and nothing was found? A bit like Gandhi writing an essay on malnutrition. You can choose your friends.

[cideruk]

Thank you finally an actual article that has the words rapists, deported and female demonstrators in it.

For the recorded I agree with the governments new Bill which will curtail these demonstrations hopefully.

You've been shown the same story from various sources already.

[cideruk]

How about fingerprinting and DNA swabbing all people who enter the UK?

[Jimmyredcab]

How about fingerprinting and DNA swabbing all people who enter the UK?

Not sure about DNA but fingerprinting is routine when you enter the States, and now Thailand as well. 

[cideruk]

Not sure about DNA but fingerprinting is routine when you enter the States, and now Thailand as well. 

For hols as well as going to work / live?

[Jimmyredcab]

For hols as well as going to work / live?

No idea, I have only entered as a tourist, if you don’t want to give fingerprints it’s not a problem, just get the next flight home. 

[cideruk]

I'm sure it would help

Want to come to the UK, okay give us your DNA so we can catch and deport you if you are a low life.

[Gordon Bennett]

That's news to me. Is this in perpetuity, or one of the things which is being phased out as part of the Brexit deal (like the EU Fishing Policy)?

I suppose we could bin it at any time but could you imagine the hoo-ha!? I can't see that any UK leader would have the balls to stand up and say the ECHR is no longer fit for purpose so it either needs updating or we are going to ignore it.
Fact it came about as something designed to prevent another holocaust and prevent oppression means anyone who questions it will look a bit of a cunt. But, several years ago you couldn't have a conversation about immigration without being deemed a racist but that's changed a bit nowadays,  so who knows about next several years... maybe someone will be allowed to question if the the good intentions of the ECHR are being twisted and subverted by shitbags we're supposed to be protected from without that someone getting pilloried and condemned as a cunt.

[tynetunnel]

The same lady who was given a seat in the house for writing a report on anti semitism in the Labour party and nothing was found? A bit like Gandhi writing an essay on malnutrition. You can choose your friends.

I know, weird huh? 

[winkywanky]

I suppose we could bin it at any time but could you imagine the hoo-ha!? I can't see that any UK leader would have the balls to stand up and say the ECHR is no longer fit for purpose so it either needs updating or we are going to ignore it.
Fact it came about as something designed to prevent another holocaust and prevent oppression means anyone who questions it will look a bit of a cunt. But, several years ago you couldn't have a conversation about immigration without being deemed a racist but that's changed a bit nowadays,  so who knows about next several years... maybe someone will be allowed to question if the the good intentions of the ECHR are being twisted and subverted by shitbags we're supposed to be protected from without that someone getting pilloried and condemned as a cunt.

A fair summation IMO.