Rochdale Grooming gang still not deported

[Blackpool Rock]

Looks like 3 of these fuckers are out of jail years ago but still carrying on life as normal despite losing appeals to retain their British citizenship 

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And we had a recent thread on here where some people thought we should allow Shamima Begum back in the country as we should play by the rules 
This is a shining example of exactly why we shouldn't let her back in as once people are here that's it, probably easier to get rid of cockroaches 

[David1970]

Found guilty of very serious crime, foreign national, should be deported back home ASAP...end off.

[cideruk]

Ooman rights init

Likes of Cherie Blair claiming legal aid

Strange that young UK women protest at convicted rapists being deported.

[winkywanky]

Regardless of Shamima Begum, these scum should be outta here and back home to Pakistan. Utter vermin  .

Hopefully this exposé will make the govt get their arse in gear over this. Who knows, Priti Patel could even get some Brownie points for once.

Unfortunately in cases such as these the Law does need to be followed. But if they've already lost their appeal, what's stopping their immediate deportation? 

[David1970]

Strange that young UK women protest at convicted rapists being deported.

What young UK woman and what demonstration?

[willie loman]

What young UK woman and what demonstration?

read the papers, at least one flight of deported criminals was stopped by physical resistance of opponents.

[David1970]

read the papers, at least one flight of deported criminals was stopped by physical resistance of opponents.

Strange that young UK women protest at convicted rapists being deported.

Sorry don’t read papers, can you post a link to this flight that the young woman were protesting against deporting convicted rapists. The convicted rapists cideruk was taking about and I committed on, thanks.

[willie loman]

Sorry don’t read papers, can you post a link to this flight that the young woman were protesting against deporting convicted rapists. The convicted rapists cideruk was taking about and I committed on, thanks.

if i could i would, but you can google, protests about deportations of violent criminals or similiar.

[willie loman]

Looks like 3 of these fuckers are out of jail years ago but still carrying on life as normal despite losing appeals to retain their British citizenship 

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And we had a recent thread on here where some people thought we should allow Shamima Begum back in the country as we should play by the rules 
This is a shining example of exactly why we shouldn't let her back in as once people are here that's it, probably easier to get rid of cockroaches 

i dont know why this man is still here, but if we had played by the rules he would be back in pakistan, but my position remains the same, he is vermin, but if we are sending him or anyone else back on a loophole that is just wrong. there are people who arrived here as toddlers, their parents didnt regularise their status, and years on, they are sent back to a country, about which they know nothing. you are giving people a double sentence.

[Blackpool Rock]

if i could i would, but you can google, protests about deportations of violent criminals or similiar.

I remember this one from a few years ago, not sure what ever happened to the criminals who weren't deported, as I recall they weren't sent at the time but whether they were 6 months later 
Wonder if any of them remained and then raped / murdered some innocent young girl whether the protestors would still maintain their actions were right 

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[Blackpool Rock]

i dont know why this man is still here, but if we had played by the rules he would be back in pakistan, but my position remains the same, he is vermin, but if we are sending him or anyone else back on a loophole that is just wrong. there are people who arrived here as toddlers, their parents didnt regularise their status, and years on, they are sent back to a country, about which they know nothing. you are giving people a double sentence.

I honestly couldn't give a flying fuck about these scum who raped underage girls, double sentence, what about the life sentence the girls have to live with 

[Colston36]

Sheer bloody incompetence. If you and I did such a crap job we'd be out of work.

[scutty brown]

if i could i would, but you can google, protests about deportations of violent criminals or similiar.

In other words, you've made another claim that you can't substantiate. More incorrect hyperbole

[Mr Doodle]

Wind rush generation who filled labor shortages working for the NHS - send them back. Gurkhas who fought for Britain (or their children) - send them back.. Child rapist and sex traffickers who lose their citizenship - keep them here! Couldn’t make it up

[Scotpunter]

Looks like 3 of these fuckers are out of jail years ago but still carrying on life as normal despite losing appeals to retain their British citizenship 

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And we had a recent thread on here where some people thought we should allow Shamima Begum back in the country as we should play by the rules 
This is a shining example of exactly why we shouldn't let her back in as once people are here that's it, probably easier to get rid of cockroaches 

I'd personally stick these fuckers on a plane. Give the pilot a parachute and tell him to jump out once in the air. Just make sure the plane only had enough fuel to get up in the air in the first place, Fucking scum these pieces of shit.

[Scotpunter]

Ooman rights init

Likes of Cherie Blair claiming legal aid

Strange that young UK women protest at convicted rapists being deported.

There's a special place in hell for that bitch and her hubby.

[SamOmar]

It's appalling what they did and that sick mindset probably still exists in most of them. But I'm in the camp of not deporting them, let them live a shameful life here as in Pakistan it's likely they have assets sent money home and all is forgotten. The record, register, ridicule these guys so they don't enjoy any moment of being here.

[LLPunting]

I'd personally stick these fuckers on a plane. Give the pilot a parachute and tell him to jump out once in the air. Just make sure the plane only had enough fuel to get up in the air in the first place, Fucking scum these pieces of shit.

Waste of a perfectly good plane.

Just put 'em on a ship off across an ocean and lose then about half way across, tie them together and only give one of them a lifevest.

[Markus]

A slap in the face for the victims who were brave enough to come forward and testify.  The mere fact that while they are awaiting their deportation they are roaming the same streets they committed these awful crimes is incomprehensible. 

[Markus]

Waste of a perfectly good plane.

Just put 'em on a ship off across an ocean and lose then about half way across, tie them together and only give one of them a lifevest.

+1 minus the life vest

[willie loman]

In other words, you've made another claim that you can't substantiate. More incorrect hyperbole

you are the walter mitty of uk punting.

[Blackpool Rock]

It's appalling what they did and that sick mindset probably still exists in most of them. But I'm in the camp of not deporting them, let them live a shameful life here as in Pakistan it's likely they have assets sent money home and all is forgotten. The record, register, ridicule these guys so they don't enjoy any moment of being here.

But this is the problem these fuckers probably don't have any shame or regret for what they've done and are currently just carrying on as normal.

Perhaps if groups of people were calling them out every time they stepped out of the house or harassing them in some way such as knocking on their door in the middle of the night etc then life would be uncomfortable for them as they would know people were constantly watching them.
Have to say and i'm not advocating violence here but with all these cases around the country i'm very surprised that nobody has taken exception and decided to dish out some "Justice" to any of these scum at some point

[FLYING BLUE]

read the papers, at least one flight of deported criminals was stopped by physical resistance of opponents.

Correct.

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[badsin]

But this is the problem these fuckers probably don't have any shame or regret for what they've done and are currently just carrying on as normal.

Perhaps if groups of people were calling them out every time they stepped out of the house or harassing them in some way such as knocking on their door in the middle of the night etc then life would be uncomfortable for them as they would know people were constantly watching them.
Have to say and i'm not advocating violence here but with all these cases around the country i'm very surprised that nobody has taken exception and decided to dish out some "Justice" to any of these scum at some point

Very little in the way of rough justice for these guys. Only one case I heard of from a few years ago
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I believe the guys that have imprisoned aren't even segregated, and mix 'freely' in the general prison population 

[Jimmyredcab]

Found guilty of very serious crime, foreign national, should be deported back home ASAP...end off.

Really ???
Yet you refused point blank to condemn Shamina Begum despite being challenged numerous times. ???????????

I accept she has not been found guilty but she did appear on Sky News and confirmed that she had no problem with beheadings. 

[Jimmyredcab]

What young UK woman and what demonstration?

Try reading other papers apart from The Guardian. 



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[cideruk]

Sorry don’t read papers, can you post a link to this flight that the young woman were protesting against deporting convicted rapists. The convicted rapists cideruk was taking about and I committed on, thanks.

https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=303158.0;topicseen

[cideruk]

Regardless of Shamima Begum, these scum should be outta here and back home to Pakistan. Utter vermin  .

Hopefully this exposé will make the govt get their arse in gear over this. Who knows, Priti Patel could even get some Brownie points for once.

Unfortunately in cases such as these the Law does need to be followed. But if they've already lost their appeal, what's stopping their immediate deportation? 

Begum is worse than these rapists as she's complicit in murder.

PP has to comply with the law she can't just hoy folk out willy nilly.  Look how long it took to deport that hook cleric Hamza. There's a host of lawyers all willing to use public money to support criminals; Emily Thornberry or Shami Chakrabarti for example.

[Jimmyredcab]

Looks like 3 of these fuckers are out of jail years ago but still carrying on life as normal despite losing appeals to retain their British citizenship 

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And we had a recent thread on here where some people thought we should allow Shamima Begum back in the country as we should play by the rules 

To be fair, the vast majority of members wanted her to remain in the desert, of course there will always be exceptions. 

[lillythesavage]

There's a special place in hell for that bitch and her hubby.

Best post I have read for a long time, that prick pulled all our pants down, country been on a downhill slide ever since, while he and his " socialist" cronies have made millions.

[Blackpool Rock]

Why do you and others not leave moderation to the official moderators. 

I do however as members we all have a responsibility to flag it up when we see it otherwise threads get deleted, it also hopefully stops some of the workload for the Mods 

Case in point now there's 1 political post others follow 

[cideruk]

I see even his wife has had a mention again.

Non political, she is a human rights barrister, happy to take public money to defend the lowest of the low.  Hence why I mentioned her.

[Blackpool Rock]

Non political, she is a human rights barrister, happy to take public money to defend the lowest of the low.  Hence why I mentioned her.

Yes my post was mainly referring to Hubby but since that we now have talk of socialists etc, not sure how people don't think that's stepping into politics but apparently some people don't like that being pointed out 

[cideruk]

Yes my post was mainly referring to Hubby but since that we now have talk of socialists etc, not sure how people don't think that's stepping into politics but apparently some people don't like that being pointed out 

Sorry you've lost me, who mentioned socialism?

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The professionally offended brigade are happy to rage against anything they see as 'der man' even if that includes deporting murderers and rapists who have no right to be in this country.

[Ali Katt]

Best post I have read for a long time, that prick pulled all our pants down, country been on a downhill slide ever since, while he and his " socialist" cronies have made millions.

He's not the only one at it though. What I find interesting is people who are around 18-25 who I've talked to are against say Donald Trump or whoever else, but they are too young to remember that the hate towards Bush and Blair was far greater over the Iraq war. Didn't over a million march in London? And massive numbers over the ban on fox hunting as well. How many people marched against Trump and the Tories? Looked like about 100 people in Hyde park.

I digress. You get good and bad with all leaders. Thank fuck Brown talked Blair out from adopting the Euro, but selling the gold reserves below market value? Just silly. Still not sure if the NI peace treaty was a good deal and John Major did most of the hard work, but he failed to criminalise those involved in black Wednesday.

It's easy to blame people in charge, no doubt Blair is a criminal, but come on it's nearly 20 years since he's been in power. The real victim is apathy. People paying 10k a year to study and seeing no return it's easy to blame those in charge or the universities themselves; what is hard is to avoid being an alcoholic, eating junk food, being addicted to crap reality TV and to actually take responsibility. Fuck knows why everything bad is seen as aspirational.

[winkywanky]

Begum is worse than these rapists as she's complicit in murder.

PP has to comply with the law she can't just hoy folk out willy nilly.  Look how long it took to deport that hook cleric Hamza. There's a host of lawyers all willing to use public money to support criminals; Emily Thornberry or Shami Chakrabarti for example.

The Law must be followed, however heinous the crimes committed might be.

Begum's case is different, her nationality seems to be in doubt technically, IMO an international court should adjudicate on this.

Hamza was indeed a piece of shit, and I hope he's living a shitty life wherever he may be.

Back to the grooming gang members, they have already lost an appeal against deportation, what I would like is an official statement from the Home Office as to what the state of play is. If there are still legal representations allowed which are being made to further delay their deportation, I want to know what they are and why the Law allows that. I also wouldn't mind knowing who the Law firm is and whether they are getting legal aid for this. Of course the Law firm in question would be acting legally, but I would want them exposed in such an extreme case as this.

[cideruk]

People paying 10k a year to study and seeing no return it's easy to blame those in charge or the universities themselves; what is hard is to avoid being an alcoholic, eating junk food, being addicted to crap reality TV and to actually take responsibility. Fuck knows why everything bad is seen as aspirational.

If they are bright and do a pukka degree rather than a Mickey Mouse one at a former Poly then they will reap the rewards.

Lots do crap courses and never pay back their fees, it's all arse about face, the UK benefits from dentists but not those doing Women Studies, Sociology and Basket Weaving.

[cideruk]

The Law must be followed, however heinous the crimes committed might be.

Begum's case is different, her nationality seems to be in doubt technically, IMO an international court should adjudicate on this.

Hamza was indeed a piece of shit, and I hope he's living a shitty life wherever he may be.

Back to the grooming gang members, they have already lost an appeal against deportation, what I would like is an official statement from the Home Office as to what the state of play is. If there are still legal representations allowed which are being made to further delay their deportation, I want to know what they are and why the Law allows that. I also wouldn't mind knowing who the Law firm is and whether they are getting legal aid for this. Of course the Law firm in question would be acting legally, but I would want them exposed in such an extreme case as this.

Hopefully we can now make our own laws up, now we are free from some of the shackles.

She surrendered her UK citizenship when she went to Syria to fight against the UK.  Bangladesh can have her, or leave her in the camp to rot.

Of course they will be getting legal aid, they wouldn't be able to afford all these top barristers. So the UK taxpayer yet again is paying to keep scum here.  Go figure...

[winkywanky]

Hopefully we can now make our own laws up, now we are free from some of the shackles.

She surrendered her UK citizenship when she went to Syria to fight against the UK.  Bangladesh can have her, or leave her in the camp to rot.

Of course they will be getting legal aid, they wouldn't be able to afford all these top barristers. So the UK taxpayer yet again is paying to keep scum here.  Go figure...

We're out of the European Court of Human Rights now, but not out of International Law, and we wouldn't want to be.

Some Law firms do Pro Bono.

[cideruk]

We're out of the European Court of Human Rights now, but not out of International Law, and we wouldn't want to be.

Some Law firms do Pro Bono.

Which can only help re cases like these.
The UK population don't want foreign rapists, murderers, terrorists etc why would they? Unless they hate this country like the professionally offended do.

It'll be legal aid

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[winkywanky]

I have no idea of the legal arrangements of these scum, however if they are to receive British justice then they need legal representation, otherwise it's not a proper trial.

[Ali Katt]

If they are bright and do a pukka degree rather than a Mickey Mouse one at a former Poly then they will reap the rewards.

Lots do crap courses and never pay back their fees, it's all arse about face, the UK benefits from dentists but not those doing Women Studies, Sociology and Basket Weaving.

I think a lot of people were sold a lie. Fair play you need a degree to be say a chemical engineer, but it's almost as if people were told if they don't have a degree they wouldn't find any work. Just a government attempt to massage unemployment figures. Plus the scrapping of certain courses because they were deemed too hard: latin, computer science (is this reintroduced in primary school?), Cooking were people actually cooked and baked rather than discussed food hygiene or the ethics of battery farming.

[cideruk]

There are plenty of computer courses, my son was looking at AI & Robotics

But yes far too many non academic kids are going to Uni doing Mickey Mouse courses these days.

[winkywanky]

I think a lot of people were sold a lie. Fair play you need a degree to be say a chemical engineer, but it's almost as if people were told if they don't have a degree they wouldn't find any work. Just a government attempt to massage unemployment figures. Plus the scrapping of certain courses because they were deemed too hard: latin, computer science (is this reintroduced in primary school?), Cooking were people actually cooked and baked rather than discussed food hygiene or the ethics of battery farming.

This obsession with all kids getting a degree was started off by Blair, was it not?

Whilst I wouldn't want to crush kids' life expectations in any way, the idea that everyone can be really clever means you have no one to sweep the streets, serve you in McDonalds, build your house, clean public toilets, fix your boiler...the list goes on. It's social engineering at its most gormless.

[Blackpool Rock]

This obsession with all kids getting a degree was started off by Blair, was it not?

Whilst I wouldn't want to crush kids' life expectations in any way, the idea that everyone can be really clever means you have no one to sweep the streets, serve you in McDonalds, build your house, clean public toilets, fix your boiler...the list goes on. It's social engineering at its most gormless.

Not sure if it was at the same time that Polytechnics got rebranded as Universities to give them better street cred when applying for jobs but all that happened is that simply having a degree isn't good enough, it has to be from the right university so nothing really changed.

I think it was supposed to be aspirational opening universities up to the masses and help break down social barriers etc etc but all we have now are a load of kids in their early 20's coming out of university with a 60K debt to show for their degree in crisp pack designs or some such useless load of shit.
The problem is they then expect to walk into their 1st job earning 50K and it must be a shock to realise they aren't really qualified to do anything so end up in Maccy D's flipping burgers on minimum wage just like they would have been doing before but without the debt.

Universities should be for those who are at the top educationally, I always used to think the top 10% went and that's probably about right.
As you point out we still need people to do all the other jobs however you don't need a degree to do most of them in reality though industry is also partly to blame here.
I used to know a guy who worked in a manufacturing industry and they had laboratory technicians to test stuff, he started with O Level Chemistry but said you didn't really even need that however 5 years down the line they wouldn't recruit anyone who didn't have A level Chemistry, another 5 years and you needed a degree.
Problem there is that all the new graduates coming in complained about not earning enough and they could see the supervisor and management jobs were dead mans shoes so didn't stick around for too long.

My mate's brother was a fireman and you perhaps needed a few o levels but again now they want graduates, the fire brigade used to be good for ex military personnel as there is a discipline element and you need to be a bit resourceful and able to think on your feet plus be prepared to get stuck in etc, the historical recruiting ground has disappeared.

The other point is that we need plumbers and electricians etc, people with practical skills not qualifications in the history of dance, apprenticeships and vocational training have been looked down on for the last 30 or 40 years but I think they are now coming back into fashion, hopefully.   

[winkywanky]

They want graduates in the Fire Service??  Crazy. How about people who feel brave about protecting their community and can pass a three-month Fire Service training programme to become a rookie firefighter?

I think you're about right with your 10% > Uni target.

What we need way, way more of, is vocational training & qualifications. I believe the present govt are working on this? The title of 'Degree' has become almost meaningless in itself. Of course industry and the educational system will have a handle on what the level of real excellence is, but the damage done to youngsters thinking they'll leave Uni knowing it all and having a corresponding bogus sense of achievement and entitlement is quite damaging to them, and to society as a whole.

Re: Blair, I'm pretty sure I remember him making some broad statement about how he wanted every kid to have the opportunity to go to Uni and get a degree, the inference being that there'd be a majority who were clever enough to get there. That was never going to happen unless standards fell, and I believe in many ways they have done, not least of which all the bullshit degrees you can take these days.

[winkywanky]

By the way, I say none of this out of any sense of elitism, personal or otherwise. I didn't go to Uni, I don't have a degree  .

[Tomcat]

Pritti Patel get the fuckers out ASAP.

[Ali Katt]

They want graduates in the Fire Service??  Crazy. How about people who feel brave about protecting their community and can pass a three-month Fire Service training programme to become a rookie firefighter?

I think you're about right with your 10% > Uni target.

What we need way, way more of, is vocational training & qualifications. I believe the present govt are working on this? The title of 'Degree' has become almost meaningless in itself. Of course industry and the educational system will have a handle on what the level of real excellence is, but the damage done to youngsters thinking they'll leave Uni knowing it all and having a corresponding bogus sense of achievement and entitlement is quite damaging to them, and to society as a whole.

Re: Blair, I'm pretty sure I remember him making some broad statement about how he wanted every kid to have the opportunity to go to Uni and get a degree, the inference being that there'd be a majority who were clever enough to get there. That was never going to happen unless standards fell, and I believe in many ways they have done, not least of which all the bullshit degrees you can take these days.

Bullshit universities as well. Just look at how many are in the north west alone.

I wasn't looking for a job, but read an advertisement for a coder at sumo digital a really big games company and you needed a degree as well as tons of experience. Fair play it is a skilled job, but how many people in the early days had degrees, but coded games that made millions in their bedrooms. Criminal to think people wouldn't get a second look without the right degree.

[Ali Katt]

Not sure if it was at the same time that Polytechnics got rebranded as Universities to give them better street cred when applying for jobs but all that happened is that simply having a degree isn't good enough, it has to be from the right university so nothing really changed.

I think it was supposed to be aspirational opening universities up to the masses and help break down social barriers etc etc but all we have now are a load of kids in their early 20's coming out of university with a 60K debt to show for their degree in crisp pack designs or some such useless load of shit.
The problem is they then expect to walk into their 1st job earning 50K and it must be a shock to realise they aren't really qualified to do anything so end up in Maccy D's flipping burgers on minimum wage just like they would have been doing before but without the debt.

Universities should be for those who are at the top educationally, I always used to think the top 10% went and that's probably about right.
As you point out we still need people to do all the other jobs however you don't need a degree to do most of them in reality though industry is also partly to blame here.
I used to know a guy who worked in a manufacturing industry and they had laboratory technicians to test stuff, he started with O Level Chemistry but said you didn't really even need that however 5 years down the line they wouldn't recruit anyone who didn't have A level Chemistry, another 5 years and you needed a degree.
Problem there is that all the new graduates coming in complained about not earning enough and they could see the supervisor and management jobs were dead mans shoes so didn't stick around for too long.

My mate's brother was a fireman and you perhaps needed a few o levels but again now they want graduates, the fire brigade used to be good for ex military personnel as there is a discipline element and you need to be a bit resourceful and able to think on your feet plus be prepared to get stuck in etc, the historical recruiting ground has disappeared.

The other point is that we need plumbers and electricians etc, people with practical skills not qualifications in the history of dance, apprenticeships and vocational training have been looked down on for the last 30 or 40 years but I think they are now coming back into fashion, hopefully.   

Applies to the police force as well, you could have 10 years experience and your superior has none, but a degree in business studies. I also agree with what you are saying.