Client Eye

[finn5555]

I think you guys are the one’s missing the point actually.. This is also in response to Finn that it “says a lot about your clients” towards Hottest Kat

Katie, my point is simple really, not sure why you don't understand 

1. Many punters wont be on CE so if Kat has loads who are then maybe they are either wronguns or the reports are malicious.

2. Pro$$ies are money motivated so take bookings as and when they can, the screening process only works if they can afford to turn away easy cash, some will many wont 

[finn5555]

I get the same money from a booking with clienteye reports as without so that makes no sense.
You are right though. I, like most other sp's have sex for money.
For the record I've never had much trouble with any of my clients so my screening process clearly works.

His point is money talks  lets be honest you have a limited shelf life in this game so you need to earn what you can whilst you can

[sensualencounter]

I really don’t see why so many punters are getting their knickers in a twist. If my daughter, sister, mother, friend was an escort I’d want them to be as safe as possible and use every bit of information to do so. It can be an incredibly risky and dangerous profession and literally their lives can be at stake. Whereas for a punter, in the vast majority of cases, they might just have a bad punt.

Women are the weaker sex (physically) and escorts put themselves in a risky situation every single day they work. Not to mentions the huge amount or misogyny and superior attitudes of many men (and society in general) towards sex workers, who see them as second class citizens. I’d much rather they don’t see someone who is in fact fine but has a false report than them not having these tools to hand to weed out some seriously nasty punters. Better safe than sorry.

I think far too many punters are only looking through their own eyes - what if I’m wrongly reported and I don’t get a punt? Big bloody deal. It’s not as if anyone knows who you are personally. It’s not like you’re going to appear on the BBC news. Just swallow your pride and your battered punting reputation and get on with it.

Every reporting system is flawed, ukp included. I know loads of escorts who’ve said that their reviews are nothing like the truth (positives, as well as negatives). But look at the consequences for each party and weigh up who’s going to come out worse if it goes wrong.

[lamboman]

And has that stopped you from getting bookings?

Yes only once though last week.
Having said that it may have stopped me getting replies from some SPs who knows but this particular one mentioned it.

[TP84]

Yes only once though last week.
Having said that it may have stopped me getting replies from some SPs who knows but this particular one mentioned it.

I searched my number and accounts, nothing found. I still struggle to get replies from certain girls 

[stevedave]

I really don’t see why so many punters are getting their knickers in a twist. If my daughter, sister, mother, friend was an escort I’d want them to be as safe as possible and use every bit of information to do so. It can be an incredibly risky and dangerous profession and literally their lives can be at stake. Whereas for a punter, in the vast majority of cases, they might just have a bad punt.

Women are the weaker sex (physically) and escorts put themselves in a risky situation every single day they work. Not to mentions the huge amount or misogyny and superior attitudes of many men (and society in general) towards sex workers, who see them as second class citizens. I’d much rather they don’t see someone who is in fact fine but has a false report than them not having these tools to hand to weed out some seriously nasty punters. Better safe than sorry.

I think far too many punters are only looking through their own eyes - what if I’m wrongly reported and I don’t get a punt? Big bloody deal. It’s not as if anyone knows who you are personally. It’s not like you’re going to appear on the BBC news. Just swallow your pride and your battered punting reputation and get on with it.

Every reporting system is flawed, ukp included. I know loads of escorts who’ve said that their reviews are nothing like the truth (positives, as well as negatives). But look at the consequences for each party and weigh up who’s going to come out worse if it goes wrong.

Don't you come round here with your logic and common sense 

For what it's worth, I agree. I'd hope that the women in the industry are safe and not living with the fear of what or who is about to open the door... we've seen on here plenty of times (just look at the banned list) that there are plenty of nutjobs, fantastists, trolls, abusers, weirdos out there.

If the job was a walk in the park, there wouldn't be a need for SAAFE, Ugly Mugs, CE etc. But it's not. As long as these things are managed correctly and not abused by people (malicious reporting for example) then what harm can they be.

At the end of the day, just don't be a cunt and you won't get any red flags next to your name 

[sensualencounter]

Don't you come round here with your logic and common sense 

For what it's worth, I agree. I'd hope that the women in the industry are safe and not living with the fear of what or who is about to open the door... we've seen on here plenty of times (just look at the banned list) that there are plenty of nutjobs, fantastists, trolls, abusers, weirdos out there.

If the job was a walk in the park, there wouldn't be a need for SAAFE, Ugly Mugs, CE etc. But it's not. As long as these things are managed correctly and not abused by people (malicious reporting for example) then what harm can they be.

At the end of the day, just don't be a cunt and you won't get any red flags next to your name 

That seems far too simple!!!

If the industry was accepted in society and regulated then things would be far better off. As it is, it exists in the shadows, on the margins of society and the general public couldn’t give a shit as all escorts are drug addled junkies and all punters are dirty old men in flasher macs and we all deserve what we get.

[lamboman]

At the end of the day, just don't be a cunt and you won't get any red flags next to your name 

That's simply bollocks.

[alabama1]

Don't you come round here with your logic and common sense 

For what it's worth, I agree. I'd hope that the women in the industry are safe and not living with the fear of what or who is about to open the door... we've seen on here plenty of times (just look at the banned list) that there are plenty of nutjobs, fantastists, trolls, abusers, weirdos out there.

If the job was a walk in the park, there wouldn't be a need for SAAFE, Ugly Mugs, CE etc. But it's not. As long as these things are managed correctly and not abused by people (malicious reporting for example) then what harm can they be.

At the end of the day, just don't be a cunt and you won't get any red flags next to your name

You are living in a dream world mate. For this to happen, every SP would need to be honest, trustworthy, and have a modicum of common sense. You show a high level of naivety for an experienced punter.

[Kev40ish]

I really don’t see why so many punters are getting their knickers in a twist. If my daughter, sister, mother, friend was an escort I’d want them to be as safe as possible and use every bit of information to do so. It can be an incredibly risky and dangerous profession and literally their lives can be at stake. Whereas for a punter, in the vast majority of cases, they might just have a bad punt.

Women are the weaker sex (physically) and escorts put themselves in a risky situation every single day they work. Not to mentions the huge amount or misogyny and superior attitudes of many men (and society in general) towards sex workers, who see them as second class citizens. I’d much rather they don’t see someone who is in fact fine but has a false report than them not having these tools to hand to weed out some seriously nasty punters. Better safe than sorry.

I think far too many punters are only looking through their own eyes - what if I’m wrongly reported and I don’t get a punt? Big bloody deal. It’s not as if anyone knows who you are personally. It’s not like you’re going to appear on the BBC news. Just swallow your pride and your battered punting reputation and get on with it.

Every reporting system is flawed, ukp included. I know loads of escorts who’ve said that their reviews are nothing like the truth (positives, as well as negatives). But look at the consequences for each party and weigh up who’s going to come out worse if it goes wrong.

Good points raised which I tend to agree with 

[stevedave]

That's simply bollocks.

I respectfully disagree.

With pretty much everything you post, as it happens.

[stevedave]

You are living in a dream world mate. For this to happen, every SP would need to be honest, trustworthy, and have a modicum of common sense. You show a high level of naivety for an experienced punter.

Or maybe I just treat everyone in the way I would expect to be treated, and as a result have not found myself on anyones shit list 

[Kev40ish]

That's simply bollocks.

Is it???

I can also search for any phone number and see the reports against it for instance on the my other 2 numbers.
It tells me the date of the report and what it was for but asks to press another icon for more information which I guess is the restricted part.

Seems a bit strange that two of your phone numbers appear as reports?
You must have upset at least a couple of SPs…

[stevedave]

Is it???

Seems a bit strange that two of your phone numbers appear as reports?
You must have upset at least a couple of SPs…

Indeed, funny that 

[alabama1]

Or maybe I just treat everyone in the way I would expect to be treated, and as a result have not found myself on anyones shit list 

That's great in a perfect world, but not every WG is of good character. They are only human, and some cannot take constructive criticism, and may resort to taking out their anger/frustration by means of false accusations. Or don't you think that this could happen ?

[stevedave]

That's great in a perfect world, but not every WG is of good character. They are only human, and some cannot take constructive criticism, and may resort to taking out their anger/frustration by means of false accusations. Or don't you think that this could happen ?

Of course it could happen, I'm sure it does happen. Which is literally why I said:

As long as these things are managed correctly and not abused by people (malicious reporting for example) then what harm can they be.

[southcoastpunter]

i think there are too many guys on here that think ALL WG's are lying, cheating, money grabbing so- and so's and can not be trusted in anyway for anything!

Of course there are some like that but not all, and some punters leave a lot to be desired!

[sensualencounter]

That's great in a perfect world, but not every WG is of good character. They are only human, and some cannot take constructive criticism, and may resort to taking out their anger/frustration by means of false accusations. Or don't you think that this could happen ?

And what’s the worst that would happen? A few escorts refuse to see you. Big deal.

It’s the likes of you and lamboman with his ridiculous assertion that over 50% of escorts are liars and can’t be trusted thst fuels this shit.

[alabama1]

And what’s the worst that would happen? A few escorts refuse to see you. Big deal.

It’s the likes of you and lamboman with his ridiculous assertion that over 50% of escorts are liars and can’t be trusted thst fuels this shit.

Stop putting words into my mouth ! I said that not every WG is trustworthy. That is a long way from saying 50%, idiot !

[finn5555]

It’s the likes of you and lamboman with his ridiculous assertion that over 50% of escorts are liars and can’t be trusted thst fuels this shit.

Not far from the truth I would put the percentage at 80 plus 😂😂

[mrfishyfoo]

And what’s the worst that would happen? A few escorts refuse to see you. Big deal.

It’s the likes of you and lamboman with his ridiculous assertion that over 50% of escorts are liars and can’t be trusted thst fuels this shit.

The majority of them lie to themselves, their partners, their children and their families.

Next time you're balls deep in a lass ask her if the aforesaid know what she does. Ask her if she's told her nearest and dearest.

You already know the answer. 

That's before we start on services offered in the room.

Inaccurate Awank profiles etc etc etc.

 

....and FWIW most punter lie about what they get upto as well. I can assure I don't tell my nearest and dearest that I'm off for a punt I tell them I'm off to the pub. 

[stevedave]

I can assure I don't tell my nearest and dearest that I'm off for a punt I tell them I'm off to the pub. 

Fuck me, they must think you're a raging alcoholic 

[sparkus]

Fuck me, they must think you're a raging alcoholic 

Going to see a man about a dog.

[Lou2019]

The majority of them lie to themselves, their partners, their children and their families.

Next time you're balls deep in a lass ask her if the aforesaid know what she does. Ask her if she's told her nearest and dearest.

You already know the answer. 

That's before we start on services offered in the room.

Inaccurate Awank profiles etc etc etc.

 

....and FWIW most punter lie about what they get upto as well. I can assure I don't tell my nearest and dearest that I'm off for a punt I tell them I'm off to the pub. 

Isn’t that a bit hypocritical?
Anyways why should it matter if we have told our nearest and dearest? because to be blunt with you what business it that of yours

[MissWolf]

I really don’t see why so many punters are getting their knickers in a twist. If my daughter, sister, mother, friend was an escort I’d want them to be as safe as possible and use every bit of information to do so. It can be an incredibly risky and dangerous profession and literally their lives can be at stake. Whereas for a punter, in the vast majority of cases, they might just have a bad punt.

Women are the weaker sex (physically) and escorts put themselves in a risky situation every single day they work. Not to mentions the huge amount or misogyny and superior attitudes of many men (and society in general) towards sex workers, who see them as second class citizens. I’d much rather they don’t see someone who is in fact fine but has a false report than them not having these tools to hand to weed out some seriously nasty punters. Better safe than sorry.

I think far too many punters are only looking through their own eyes - what if I’m wrongly reported and I don’t get a punt? Big bloody deal. It’s not as if anyone knows who you are personally. It’s not like you’re going to appear on the BBC news. Just swallow your pride and your battered punting reputation and get on with it.

Every reporting system is flawed, ukp included. I know loads of escorts who’ve said that their reviews are nothing like the truth (positives, as well as negatives). But look at the consequences for each party and weigh up who’s going to come out worse if it goes wrong.

This 

[lamboman]

Is it???

Seems a bit strange that two of your phone numbers appear as reports?
You must have upset at least a couple of SPs…

Yes it's bollocks as you don't know the details you're in no position to comment 

[lamboman]

And what’s the worst that would happen? A few escorts refuse to see you. Big deal.

It’s the likes of you and lamboman with his ridiculous assertion that over 50% of escorts are liars and can’t be trusted thst fuels this shit.

Stop White Knighting you little prick.
Misleading profiles,misleading services,misleading pics,not letting you in on time,short changing you on time.
This to me is lacking integrity and lieing and would cover way more than 50% of my meets even if it's a positive meet and I leave happy.
I guess you have low standards in life,I have high standards.

[Atrueyorkie]

It is really straightforward.

The original reason for the app is “great”. Who wouldn’t want to be protected from real life weirdos and boundary pushers.

Is it abused? Yes. False reports. That is either extremely difficult to contest without jumping through hoops.

With UKP the SP can join and dispute and even fellow punters can weigh in.

I think a “lot” not all SP’s misuse the app. Doesn’t even need to be a bad meeting, could just be because they were reviewed on here.

[daviemac]

Stop White Knighting you little prick.
Misleading profiles,misleading services,misleading pics,not letting you in on time,short changing you on time.
This to me is lacking integrity and lieing and would cover way more than 50% of my meets even if it's a positive meet and I leave happy.
I guess you have low standards in life,I have high standards.

I think you need to calm yourself down a bit.

You shouldn't really judge others by your lack of due diligence. Perhaps you should try raising the standards of the research you do into escorts before booking them.   

[Lou2019]

I think you need to calm yourself down a bit.

You shouldn't really judge others by your lack of due diligence. Perhaps you should try raising the standards of the research you do into escorts before booking them.   

 

[finn5555]

Sucking up to a mod 

[Lou2019]

Sucking up to a mod 

Oh give it a bloody rest you really are a bore, you never add anything of any value to a discussion but a sarcastic comment

[finn5555]

Oh give it a bloody rest you really are a bore

Block me then 

[lamboman]

I think you need to calm yourself down a bit.

You shouldn't really judge others by your lack of due diligence. Perhaps you should try raising the standards of the research you do into escorts before booking them.   

My due diligence is done here mostly
As I said even a positive meet doesn't mean a profile isn't misleading in some way.
Like I say I have high standards and expect the same from others if others are happy to accept lower standards that's up to them.

[finn5555]

Oh give it a bloody rest you really are a bore, you never add anything of any value to a discussion but a sarcastic comment

So Lou is  adding value in your book 

[daviemac]

My due diligence is done here 

Well you are just about right in that about 50% of your punts have been crap, like I said maybe try raising the standards of the research you do and find escorts that match the standards you have set yourself.

[lamboman]

So Lou is  adding value in your book 

You two should get a room.

[finn5555]

You two should get a room.

Not my cup of tea after due diligence 

[lamboman]

Not my cup of tea after due diligence 

 

[mrfishyfoo]

Isn’t that a bit hypocritical?
Anyways why should it matter if we have told our nearest and dearest? because to be blunt with you what business it that of yours

PMSL !!!!

I "said" that just like you pro$$ies I also lie to cover up my activities. Please do explain to me the hypocrisy in that.

You again miss my point dear. It really doesn't matter to me what the lass who's just swallowed my gizz has said to anyone, albeit I doubt she told them that she'd be doing that.

[Lou2019]

Not my cup of tea after due diligence 

Much to my relief

[Thephoenix]

I can only assume that certain members who consistently make disparaging and disrespectful remarks about SP's must have a background of poor experiences with women in general, as their comments are so predictable and often misogynistic.

[FiveKnuckles]

I really don’t see why so many punters are getting their knickers in a twist. If my daughter, sister, mother, friend was an escort I’d want them to be as safe as possible and use every bit of information to do so. It can be an incredibly risky and dangerous profession and literally their lives can be at stake. Whereas for a punter, in the vast majority of cases, they might just have a bad punt.

I think far too many punters are only looking through their own eyes - what if I’m wrongly reported and I don’t get a punt? Big bloody deal. It’s not as if anyone knows who you are personally. It’s not like you’re going to appear on the BBC news. Just swallow your pride and your battered punting reputation and get on with it.

Every reporting system is flawed, ukp included. I know loads of escorts who’ve said that their reviews are nothing like the truth (positives, as well as negatives). But look at the consequences for each party and weigh up who’s going to come out worse if it goes wrong.

one of the most sensible post in this thread. 

the reviews we read on ukp are invaluable for us to pick our next punt, however the reports of muggings by Sergei or deposit scam add real value to our safety. 
Whether a review is rated +ve or -ve may not affect my overall decision to visit the WG as we all have different desires.

If a WG decides not to see you based on false CE reports, just move onwards or switch a new SIM.  Could you imagine every WG messaging UKP admin to dispute every negative review?   They take it on the chin and move on.

Imagine WGs with an equivalent forum doing reviews based on our mobile numbers (and working out our ukp names)     "... oh the fella xxxxx has no skills in bed, blah "

[lamboman]

I think most people get their knickers in a twist when they're accused of stuff they didn't do punter or not.
It also casts doubt on every report .

[gbyld87]

I actually genuinely would be interested in reading an unbiased review of my performance.  Might make me better at it!

[lamboman]

I actually genuinely would be interested in reading an unbiased review of my performance.  Might make me better at it!

I'm sure it would be as honest a review as most SPs bios.
Still some here even those you'd think would know better seem to believe those somewhat naively.

[Marmalade]

I can only assume that certain members who consistently make disparaging and disrespectful remarks about SP's must have a background of poor experiences with women in general, as their comments are so predictable and often misogynistic.

Much as I generally respect your posts as well-thought-out and intelligent, I think you are making a logical leap there which I can say from my own experience is incorrect – as
a) at least some people have interpreted some of my remarks as disparaging
b) I consider myself very fortunate as I really have had excellent experiences with women generally, in civvie life and p4p.

[Thephoenix]

Much as I generally respect your posts as well-thought-out and intelligent, I think you are making a logical leap there which I can say from my own experience is incorrect – as
a) at least some people have interpreted some of my remarks as disparaging
b) I consider myself very fortunate as I really have had excellent experiences with women generally, in civvie life and p4p.

I'm sure you do Giacomo.
I don't recall you being disparaging.
I'm glad you've got such nice memories.

[JontyR]

It's been an interesting thread with some thought provoking contributions. Thank you all.

What's noticaeble though is that the differences between punters and SPs are shown in the difference between Client Eye and UKP. As punterest we are in the market for entertainment. That's why we have reviews where there is an expectation of a certain level of detail.

CE I think though is not for those seeking entertainment or to provide an alternative view to UKP but as a resource for those who are providing services in a business context. I'd be interested to see if there is any 'cultural pressures' there like there is here towards leeching.

One thing I consider when doing due diligence ahead of a punt is whether any reviews come from punters who's review percentage is skewed towards the wholly positive or the predominantly negative. I wonder if on CE there are some SPs who have presented lots of punters and whether they hold less weight as a result. 

[FiveKnuckles]

CE I think though is not for those seeking entertainment or to provide an alternative view to UKP but as a resource for those who are providing services in a business context. I'd be interested to see if there is any 'cultural pressures' there like there is here towards leeching.

One thing I consider when doing due diligence ahead of a punt is whether any reviews come from punters who's review percentage is skewed towards the wholly positive or the predominantly negative. I wonder if on CE there are some SPs who have presented lots of punters and whether they hold less weight as a result.

CE is an anonymous reporting tool used by WG to warn others about punters.   If you're on it, it's a negative.