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Offline lamboman

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There's a fundamental problem with Client Eye
To remove an incorrect / false record they require proof of identity and of ownership of the phone.
However no such checks are required to post a record - there seems to be nothing to prove the identity or truthfulness of the poster

Exactly.
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But users aren't required to prove credentials.
I joined using a throwaway phone number

When I joined I was required to send a link to my AW profile, (I believe it can also be your own website but must be a service provider) they then sent me a pm to that profile and I had to reply to that pm, it took them about 30 mins to verify my links and for me to be able to use the app, I had to go through the same process for my working phone and my personal phone numbers and again when I wanted to pay for the full version without advertisements.

I'm not sure how you joined 'with a throwaway phone number' can you enlighten?

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and as the users are required to prove their credentials when signing up I guess that's seen as sufficient due diligence on that front.

On the whole SPs are not noted for their intergrity and truthfulness so that's a bit flawed.
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Offline sensualencounter

On the whole SPs are not noted for their intergrity and truthfulness so that's a bit flawed.
So you’re saying that over 50% of SPs don’t have integrity and lie. Bit of a sweeping statement. Do you have any evidence of this? Sure there are a fair few dodgy SPs out there but out of all the reviews on here it’s well well under half that are reviewed negatively for those reasons.

There are plenty of dodgy punters about too. If this app helps save a SPs life or helps prevent them from being abused or mugged then it’s a good thing. Yes it can be abused but what’s the worst that happens to that punter? He gets declined from a booking. Big deal. No harm done. Very often where there’s smoke there’s fire. SPs risk way more than us punters.

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When I joined I was required to send a link to my AW profile, (I believe it can also be your own website but must be a service provider) they then sent me a pm to that profile and I had to reply to that pm, it took them about 30 mins to verify my links and for me to be able to use the app, I had to go through the same process for my working phone and my personal phone numbers and again when I wanted to pay for the full version without advertisements.

I'm not sure how you joined 'with a throwaway phone number' can you enlighten?

Just that, literally. It just asked for a phone number to register with so I just used a spare sim I had available, which wasn't linked to me or to any website in any way

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But users aren't required to prove credentials.
I joined using a throwaway phone number

I believe to be able to post reports you need to provide proof of SP status (aw link / web page with number displayed that matches clienteye details, for example).
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Just that, literally. It just asked for a phone number to register with so I just used a spare sim I had available, which wasn't linked to me or to any website in any way

Yes, I did that as well, but it only shows summary information on any search result, and doesn't allow you to post reports or see the details therein.

I was referring to 'users' as those with full access to create reports.
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Just that, literally. It just asked for a phone number to register with so I just used a spare sim I had available, which wasn't linked to me or to any website in any way
Have you tried doing a search of a number you know to have reports on.   :unknown:

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So you’re saying that over 50% of SPs don’t have integrity and lie. Bit of a sweeping statement. Do you have any evidence of this?

Yes and yes.
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Have you tried doing a search of a number you know to have reports on.   :unknown:

Yes, I did that as well, but it only shows summary information on any search result, and doesn't allow you to post reports or see the details therein.

I was referring to 'users' as those with full access to create reports.

I am able to create reports (which I have done against a phone number I own) and also search for reports
I have full access
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Just that, literally. It just asked for a phone number to register with so I just used a spare sim I had available, which wasn't linked to me or to any website in any way

Was this, is this recently?

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I am able to create reports (which I have done against a phone number I own) and also search for reports
I have full access

I stand corrected then.  When i did as you describe, my access was read-only unless I went through a verification process involving proof of being a sex worker.  This was around 3 months ago.

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I am able to create reports (which I have done against a phone number I own) and also search for reports
I have full access
How long ago, because I used to have full access but not since they changed it, whatever phone number I search shows 0 reports. Even when I've seen screenshots of reports it still shows as 0 for me.

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How long ago, because I used to have full access but not since they changed it, whatever phone number I search shows 0 reports. Even when I've seen screenshots of reports it still shows as 0 for me.

Yes it was changed sometime last year, I had to verify in order to see or do anything.

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Was this, is this recently?

Last 2-3 months registered
still full access today
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Last 2-3 months registered
still full access today
Have you tried searching a phone number you know has reports against it to see what results you get.   :unknown:

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I am able to create reports (which I have done against a phone number I own) and also search for reports
I have full access
You might want to check those. 

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As I understand it a search can be done of one's own number and reports against that viewed but registration is required to see others.
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Yes and yes.
If that’s the case then I don’t know why you’re still punting if over one in two escorts are dodgy. Would love to see your evidence of this.

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I have, they are there
As you posted them or have they been altered?

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Last 2-3 months registered
still full access today

To the mods feel I've overstepped then let me know

Scutty I'm calling this out as bullshit and you out as a liar.

The rules on registration on CE were changed many months ago to prevent this kind of thing and I'm 100% sure that you don't have full access and if you have full access then you lied to get it.

I suggest a couple of scenarios here...

You are talking bollocks to make yourself look like the big I am (most likely)

You created a false WG profile in order to verify yourself

You persuaded an sp to register the number for you

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As you posted them or have they been altered?

they have not been altered

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To the mods feel I've overstepped then let me know

Scutty I'm calling this out as bullshit and you out as a liar.

The rules on registration on CE were changed many months ago to prevent this kind of thing and I'm 100% sure that you don't have full access and if you have full access then you lied to get it.

I suggest a couple of scenarios here...

You are talking bollocks to make yourself look like the big I am (most likely)

You created a false WG profile in order to verify yourself

You persuaded an sp to register the number for you

You are quite simply wrong on everything you suggest

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You are quite simply wrong on everything you suggest
You can't have full access as you aren't fully registered, I don't know if you missed it but anyone can check their own number or name but not anything else.

If I'm wrong send me a screenshot of one you have checked.

Edit

The screenshot of the CE app shows that to have the standard restrictions removed to allow full access a form has to be filled in.

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This thread has been dragging on for over a year yet still people don't understand what the regulations are.

What personal identifying information is there in a user name on here or with a punting phone number for that matter.  If there is a report about you how are you going to prove you are estats in order to have it removed, something you would have to do.

BTW, have you contacted ClientEye and asked them about how they comply with the DPA?   :unknown:  I have.

I'm quite aware of the law in this area and quite sure sooner or later they will face some form of ICO investigation and I further suspect the new online safety bill going into legislation is likely to have big impacts upon them.

But seen as you have (or are) in contact with them, have you asked them about the posted tweet?

It clearly reads to me as a threat issued to a whole section of people, without due reason. What is the purpose of this tweet? What are the  reasonable grounds to post this what may be considered a malicious communication? Less the moral grounds (i.e. if they hold vendettas like this, what is to stop them flipping on their members) it may be considered to cause distress and therefore harassment of people with no just cause? Not to mention the wide spread abuse the platform is open to.

If, for example people are now saying the platform has been improved to eliminate false content (although there are still obvious flaws) over the last few months, have all reports before this been removed to adknowledge the prior weaknesses?

It also has to be highly ironic that the app is sponsored or funded by vivastreet, who themselves have answers to give on how they vet adverts and how that connects to human trafficking, etc.

I think there certainly is space for a safety app for everyone (clients are targets of scams, robbery and blackmail as we see daily posted here), but this app seems to be run by people who hold vendettas, technically flawed and funded/sponsored by someone who themselves have questions to answer.
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You might want to check those. 

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As I understand it a search can be done of one's own number and reports against that viewed but registration is required to see others.

Same as Scutty I only downloaded it on Friday and I can create a report.
I can also search for any phone number and see the reports against it for instance on the my other 2 numbers.
It tells me the date of the report and what it was for but asks to press another icon for more information which I guess is the restricted part.
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If that’s the case then I don’t know why you’re still punting if over one in two escorts are dodgy. Would love to see your evidence of this.

What on earth are you on about you idiot.
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But seen as you have (or are) in contact with them, have you asked them about the posted tweet?
I contacted them in June of last year and asked them about their privacy policy and data protection, at that time they were fully aware if this thread and gave me a response which I posted. I suggest you look back and read it.

ClientEye are registered as a data controller with the UK Information Commissioner's Office and have a data protection registration number which is published in their privacy policies should you wish to quote it in any complaint you make.

They contacted me again yesterday because of the reappearance of misinformation and suggested I made it clear anyone can search for and view any reports made against them. but not the reports of others unless the default restrictions are removed.They are also aware of false reports that have been made and who made them.

As far as the tweet is concerned I look at it in a different way to you, you see it as a general threat I see it as them saying they now may be able to link any UKP member who tries to use their membership of this site and the offer of positive reviews or the threat of negative reviews as a means to gain favour or receive services not offered.

I am not going to speculate on their behalf if you have any questions you would like answered I suggest you contact them yourself and ask them.

I am still curious how Scutty has full access, as when I first downloaded the app last year I had full access, however as a direct result of this thread they changed the system and now for full access, as the screenshot shows, you have to be verified.

Correction in bold.



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Same as Scutty I only downloaded it on Friday and I can create a report.
I can also search for any phone number and see the reports against it for instance on the my other 2 numbers.
It tells me the date of the report and what it was for but asks to press another icon for more information which I guess is the restricted part.

Yes we know this but that isn't full access

You can create reports, search numbers etc and see they have reports against them, can you read the information and content of that report? Can you click on it and bring up any the linked numbers and names?

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Yes we know this but that isn't full access



I didn't say it was,I said you can search for all numbers etc and submit a report or at least I can.
As a punter seeing a more detailed report is of any use anyway as you can't do anything about it
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I didn't say it was,I said you can search for all numbers etc and submit a report or at least I can.
As a punter seeing a more detailed report is of any use anyway as you can't do anything about it

I imagine this is a concern in itself. Let’s imagine you are one of those rare creatures, a prossie without a dusty phone, scanning her booking requests. If out of two, one has a client eye mark and the other not, can you be arsed checking the details? Maybe she’s not bothered to verify anyway. Just sees ‘Client Eye number’ vs ‘No Client Eye number’. Easy-peasy. And the poor cunt who got a mark for being a member of UKP or cancelling with notice gets shafted. On the other hand, the career criminal violent rapist bastard will have a burner phone for every appointment and no Client Eye against him.

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I imagine this is a concern in itself. Let’s imagine you are one of those rare creatures, a prossie without a dusty phone, scanning her booking requests. If out of two, one has a client eye mark and the other not, can you be arsed checking the details? Maybe she’s not bothered to verify anyway. Just sees ‘Client Eye number’ vs ‘No Client Eye number’. Easy-peasy. And the poor cunt who got a mark for being a member of UKP or cancelling with notice gets shafted. On the other hand, the career criminal violent rapist bastard will have a burner phone for every appointment and no Client Eye against him.

Agreed it's a deeply flawed concept.
I'd question that many SPs are fully verified either,seems like too much hard work.
And judging by some of CEs social posts I'm not sure it was designed entirely to help SPs.
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I imagine this is a concern in itself. Let’s imagine you are one of those rare creatures, a prossie without a dusty phone, scanning her booking requests. If out of two, one has a client eye mark and the other not, can you be arsed checking the details? Maybe she’s not bothered to verify anyway. Just sees ‘Client Eye number’ vs ‘No Client Eye number’. Easy-peasy. And the poor cunt who got a mark for being a member of UKP or cancelling with notice gets shafted. On the other hand, the career criminal violent rapist bastard will have a burner phone for every appointment and no Client Eye against him.

Indeed !!!  :dash: :dash: :scare: :scare: :dash: :dash:

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Look, I think it's really not something for punters to try and use themselves, or even has some people suggested earlier in the thread, manipulate for their own fun / write their own feedback etc.

1. Firstly you can only write negative reports. You cannot be giving anyone "positive feedback" and even if you did, anyone with the app will see this as potential negative warnings that come through as an alert when they text or call you.

2. You guys have UKP already, and are pretty damn good at sharing information if someone timewastes / scams you, so why are you angry at the possibilty that WGs might be able to do the same thing amongst themselves?

3. There's different levels of reports, like violence + abusiveness, no shows, removing condoms, text pests (and phone wankers) or timewasting.
Obviously, those things are various levels of seriousness... And if someone gets one or two reports for simply no-showing/sudden radio silence, then some ladies will still give you a chance and let you book, so it won't harm you so much.
There is a space to share detailed explanations too. In my experience, when someone is the worst sort of client, I will write what happened in the booking along with something like DO NOT SEE UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES / GIRLS PLEASE BEWARE: VIOLENT etc. so clearly this allows for differentiating between someone who just wasted our time, versus a rapist.

This might be if someone has beaten or raped me, tried to not let me leave, given me fake money or has forced the money back/stolen it whilst I wasn't looking. The last few on that list clients probably don't think as so violently horrible but honestly I would rather be hit, it is that sickening when someone tricks you into not paying (or fake money) as suddenly if you needed that booking you cannot pay the bills and are forced to make that money back. Anyway. My main point is, like another WG said - you guys really probably can never comprehend how dangerous this job truly is for us. Even if the majority of clients aren't like that it doesn't matter we still have the chance of being actually hurt or murdered every single day.


 
No.

National Ugly Mugs you can only report the more "major" behaviour. ie. rape and violence.
This is important, as whilst it might be annoying to you lot, reporting the medium-bad stuff, like timewasting, is needed for us to make an informed decision on whether to give someone a chance if they cancel one time - maybe it's a genuine reason, but if they've done it to 15+ girls then probably just a fantasist booking.

It also does not give out the full phone numbers or name, even if you know it and want it to be reported. Same with SAAFE, it really isn't as useful a tool for me, because you don't get the EXACT phone number (so more chance that there's two numbers where one is bad, one is okay) if you're so worried about someone else using your number whilst you have been "innocent" this could still happen on any reporting platform

It also has far less matches on the other two - like, if you search a client's phone number, nothing might come up on SAAFE or NUM, but 8 reports show on ClientEye

Again, I need to stress : the reports themselves aren't as important as what is actually written in the description part.
The girl usually will always explain the reason, so that people can make a decision - obviously, I want other girls to have as much info as possible so that no one is at risk !

Also, verified sex workers who have told ClientEye their working name come up in bold, whilst general reports not in bold could be from anyone. Of course I will hold more value to reports that come from verified sex workers



Generally, if you have been reported on more than one occasion, chances are you probably have done something to piss these WGs off...

I agree with Strawberry here: but in my experience its probably more like 90% of the time, reports match up to actual behaviour not 75%

 

With the example of having a completely wrong location in a report, yes that might be a mistake. But we also seem to be just taking your word as fact that you have no idea why these were written (naturally, clients are going to want to dispute that they did nothing wrong even if they did but they probably just don't see it that way from their perspective)

I'm not saying this in particular, as I'm sure you're not dangerous BUT --- stuff like that potentially can be explained if you contacted a touring girl who came to London once, but is actually from Wakefield or something like that. I was also going to say that if your AW username is coming up but not your number, maybe its just very similar to another punters (especially if it's like BigDickHung69 )



YES, overall it's a lot like Mr. Number in the way it works, and probably some mistakes happen some of the time

So reports can be taken with a pinch of salt, but in my experience actually the reports are accurate 90% of the time imo, and are extremely useful to us - and if you want us to be safe then punters should have absolutely no issue with WGs having lots different tools to keep us safe as possible (and we regularly do use many different ways to screen, with number one being intuition).


If you're personally affected by several completely untrue reports, such as could only be explained by someone else using your number before you or something else malicious, my advice would be to just change your number.

I cant believe I'd ever be telling a client to do that -- if anything, you should be more scared for us, that potentially dangerous rapists can just get a new punting number and all the reports go away, simple as that. But it definitely is a useful tool that you shouldn't shame us for wanting to use, as you guys have UKP so of course we also need to have ways to warn each other too.

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I downloaded it a while ago and found the number I use had a report against it. I could also see reports when I searched other numbers (I found that if you copy and paste the incomplete numbers from Saafe warnings and wasters threads and add any two numbers to the end they showed up). I couldn't see the actual reports, just that they were there. I contacted ClientEye about the report and they sent me the form to fill in to request its removal.

I never filled the form in, but I've noticed that when I search the number I use it now says there are no reports and if I search the numbers from the Saafe threads it also says there are no reports, which suggests to me that after I contacted them they blocked me from seeing any reports on the app. Is that anyone else's experience?

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I imagine this is a concern in itself. Let’s imagine you are one of those rare creatures, a prossie without a dusty phone, scanning her booking requests. If out of two, one has a client eye mark and the other not, can you be arsed checking the details? Maybe she’s not bothered to verify anyway. Just sees ‘Client Eye number’ vs ‘No Client Eye number’. Easy-peasy. And the poor cunt who got a mark for being a member of UKP or cancelling with notice gets shafted. On the other hand, the career criminal violent rapist bastard will have a burner phone for every appointment and no Client Eye against him.

It doesn't work like that as a full member I see the content of the report not just the number of reports against that searched phone number, if I then click on the report I can if there are any links get extra information like aw or ukp name, second phone numbers etc

Simply being a ukp member certainly wouldn't put me off seeing someone as at least I would know they are likely to turn up and likely to have done their research on me before contacting me.

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It doesn't work like that as a full member I see the content of the report not just the number of reports against that searched phone number, if I then click on the report I can if there are any links get extra information like aw or ukp name, second phone numbers etc

Simply being a ukp member certainly wouldn't put me off seeing someone as at least I would know they are likely to turn up and likely to have done their research on me before contacting me.

You've missed his point.
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For those who use Hushed to change their punting number regularly, it’s worth checking against CE before subscribing to make sure you’re not importing someone else’s bad feedback.

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You've missed his point.
Indeed she did, and I was about to thank her for the cut-and-pasted info when I started reading it. I think it seems rather difficult for a prossie to take a neutral stance on it instead of insisting on its wonderful benefits. If someone said that a few people had posted utter shite on UKP I wouldn't launch into a defence of UKP without acknowledging that yes, sometimes that does happen, but what specifically did they have in mind. That's to differentiate shortcomings – which any forum is bound to have – vs the benefits.

We've been lectured endlessly on the benefits of Client Eye. It would be nice to hear from a prossie, not how virtuously she herself uses it but, with her more intimate knowledge of the system, explain or suggest how things could indeed go wrong and how to be aware of that. Surely prossies who use saafe have come across the occasional psycho bitch, the person who complains on and on for no reason... or maybe even the cyber-bitch which all members here that have been on since the launch are aware of.

This is not attack on any of our resident SPs.

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Indeed she did, and I was about to thank her for the cut-and-pasted info when I started reading it. I think it seems rather difficult for a prossie to take a neutral stance on it instead of insisting on its wonderful benefits. If someone said that a few people had posted utter shite on UKP I wouldn't launch into a defence of UKP without acknowledging that yes, sometimes that does happen, but what specifically did they have in mind. That's to differentiate shortcomings – which any forum is bound to have – vs the benefits.

We've been lectured endlessly on the benefits of Client Eye. It would be nice to hear from a prossie, not how virtuously she herself uses it but, with her more intimate knowledge of the system, explain or suggest how things could indeed go wrong and how to be aware of that. Surely prossies who use saafe have come across the occasional psycho bitch, the person who complains on and on for no reason... or maybe even the cyber-bitch which all members here that have been on since the launch are aware of.

This is not attack on any of our resident SPs.

Apologies if I seem to have missed the point being made, I have never said that CE isn't flawed or that unwarranted information isn't put on there the same as ukp is flawed and unwarranted information is placed on it, as Katie has very eloquently explained much better than I have.

However I can only go on my limited use of the app, yes there are unstable and undesirable wg's just as there are unstable and undesirable punters but how the app deals with and filters those out I don't know, for the limited amount I use it the app works for me and unless it's a report for dangerous or violent behaviour then I judge the client how I find them.

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Apologies if I seem to have missed the point being made, I have never said that CE isn't flawed or that unwarranted information isn't put on there the same as ukp is flawed and unwarranted information is placed on it, as Katie has very eloquently explained much better than I have.

However I can only go on my limited use of the app, yes there are unstable and undesirable wg's just as there are unstable and undesirable punters but how the app deals with and filters those out I don't know, for the limited amount I use it the app works for me and unless it's a report for dangerous or violent behaviour then I judge the client how I find them.

Apologies if I've missed this point on previous posts.

I understand the need for a scheme like CE.
If any of us were SP's I'm sure we'd use this valuable service.

You've understandably likened CE with UKP, but it seems to me there are at least two crucial differences which appear to be the main bone of contention for UKP members.

Whereas UKP seems to encourage and value the contributions of SP's, CE appears to be a closed shop with little or no recourse, or contributions from UKP members.

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Clienteye is only 10% of my screening process so having a couple of reports wont stop me from seeing you. Most clients i see have reports against them.
 Seriously, a couple of reports means nothing to us.
Im definitely more inclined to see someone who has a couple clienteye reports than a number that draws a blank from the rest of my screening as i will assume your number has been changed to bypass my screening process.
Clienteye is a useful tool but it doesnt solely decide if i see you or not.

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Clienteye is only 10% of my screening process so having a couple of reports wont stop me from seeing you. Most clients i see have reports against them.
 Seriously, a couple of reports means nothing to us.


Says a lot about your clients  :dash:

And like most pro$$ies money talks  :music:

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Clienteye is only 10% of my screening process so having a couple of reports wont stop me from seeing you. Most clients i see have reports against them.
 Seriously, a couple of reports means nothing to us.
Im definitely more inclined to see someone who has a couple clienteye reports than a number that draws a blank from the rest of my screening as i will assume your number has been changed to bypass my screening process.
Clienteye is a useful tool but it doesnt solely decide if i see you or not.
I can guess what does solely decide, kerching !  :rolleyes:
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I can guess what does solely decide, kerching !  :rolleyes:

But that doesn't tend to happen until the person has turned up for the booking, and that's what some SPs are likely to be wanting to or trying figure out as well as does he sound ok.
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I can guess what does solely decide, kerching !  :rolleyes:

I think you guys are the one’s missing the point actually.. This is also in response to Finn that it “says a lot about your clients” towards Hottest Kat

What part of not all reports are created equal  is so difficult? A single report  for maybe cancelling with no notice/ radio silence is clearly NOT the same as a dangerous warning. We’re using our intuition based on these things and we’re all going to have different rules for the way we work.

Personally though I would not take any bookings if they had 2 or more warnings against them. That doesn’t mean “money talks” for anyone that does… everyone’s different and screening is intuition based, as I said in my quote before I think. It comes across like you’re making fun of certain providers honestly for stuff that makes perfect sense. 

Edited to say: actually it’s very similar to a UKP neutral or a single Neg in amongst lots of Pos reviews, you take it with a pinch of salt yes? If someone has a report for fingering roughly and you don’t even offer that service then maybe you wouldn’t care so much is an example
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Whereas UKP seems to encourage and value the contributions of SP's, CE appears to be a closed shop with little or no recourse, or contributions from UKP members.

Spot on I also think false or malicious reviews are often called out on UKP.
Nobody on CE is going to stand up for a punter even if they could.

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I think you guys are the one’s missing the point actually.. This is also in response to Finn that it “says a lot about your clients” towards Hottest Kat

What part of not all reports are created equal  is so difficult? A single report  for maybe cancelling with no notice/ radio silence is clearly NOT the same as a dangerous warning. We’re using our intuition based on these things and we’re all going to have different rules for the way we work.

Personally though I would not take any bookings if they had 2 or more warnings against them. That doesn’t mean “money talks” for anyone that does… everyone’s different and screening is intuition based, as I said in my quote before I think. It comes across like you’re making fun of certain providers honestly for stuff that makes perfect sense. 

Edited to say: actually it’s very similar to a UKP neutral or a single Neg in amongst lots of Pos reviews, you take it with a pinch of salt yes? If someone has a report for fingering roughly and you don’t even offer that service then maybe you wouldn’t care so much is an example

Well my 2 reports are entirely ficticious.
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I can guess what does solely decide, kerching !  :rolleyes:
I get the same money from a booking with clienteye reports as without so that makes no sense.
You are right though. I, like most other sp's have sex for money.
For the record I've never had much trouble with any of my clients so my screening process clearly works.
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Well my 2 reports are entirely ficticious.
And has that stopped you from getting bookings?