Sex For Rent

[cideruk]

Bit confused by this, isn't it consensual?

If he says yes you can live here but instead of money you give me sex, bit creepy agreed but surely they agreed?  And I can't see any mention of him pimping them on.

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[Paris69]

Bit confused by this, isn't it consensual?

If he says yes you can live here but instead of money you give me sex, bit creepy agreed but surely they agreed?  And I can't see any mention of him pimping them on.

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“an offence is committed when a person offers accommodation in return for sex, as they are inciting/causing another person to have sex with them in return for ‘payment’”.
Gonna be an interesting Court case

[daviemac]

This is the important part

As prosecutors told Staines magistrates court, Cox allegedly posted adverts on Craigslist offering free accommodation to young, vulnerable and homeless women at his home

So it isn't two 'consenting' adults.  All the information is here, ↓  which as a punter, you should be aware of.

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[cideruk]

This is the important part
So it isn't two 'consenting' adults.  All the information is here, ↓  which as a punter, you should be aware of.

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Even has it's own section, so must have happened before

[daviemac]

Even has it's own section, so must have happened before

That site is the CPS bible of all things related to prostitution, it gives all the details of what is and isn't legal as well as what they class as 'the public interest' regarding who they would prosecute.

[cideruk]

That site is the CPS bible of all things related to prostitution, it gives all the details of what is and isn't legal as well as what they class as 'the public interest' regarding who they would prosecute.

 

[king tarzan]

Bit confused by this, isn't it consensual?

If he says yes you can live here but instead of money you give me sex, bit creepy agreed but surely they agreed?  And I can't see any mention of him pimping them on.

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That's sleazy...
Treat your tenants with respect..
I want normal rent.. end of

[LLPunting]

That's sleazy...
Treat your tenants with respect..
I want normal rent.. end of

That'd be kisses at £20 a pop right?

[king tarzan]

That'd be kisses at £20 a pop right?

On a serious level, it's no joke
Sexual exploitation.. nasty

[contentguy]

On a serious level, it's no joke
Sexual exploitation.. nasty

+1 total exploitation of the vulnerable.

[LLPunting]

On a serious level, it's no joke
Sexual exploitation.. nasty

Seriously agree, however very rare are the WGs (sub-200ph) who you aren't exploiting for sexual favours.  Most aren't making happy careers from their minges because they can't find something more fulfilling that will support their needs, at best they make bank before they suffer lasting physical/psychological impacts, at worst they continue working whilst trying to dig themselves out of their financial predicament (self inflicted or otherwise) or achieve their financial goal.  Exploitation isn't only when the girls are managed by another party.

The conscience jumping off point for most of us is that the girls are free to choose when they stop working and how long that break may last.

[Scotpunter]

Seriously agree, however very rare are the WGs (sub-200ph) who you aren't exploiting for sexual favours.  Most aren't making happy careers from their minges because they can't find something more fulfilling that will support their needs, at best they make bank before they suffer lasting physical/psychological impacts, at worst they continue working whilst trying to dig themselves out of their financial predicament (self inflicted or otherwise) or achieve their financial goal.  Exploitation isn't only when the girls are managed by another party.

The conscience jumping off point for most of us is that the girls are free to choose when they stop working and how long that break may last.

I don't think any of us are naive enough to think a hot 20 something is sleeping with us because she finds us hot. They are doing it for the high financial reward. Providing as you say, they are doing it of their own volition it isn't up to me to question or moralise.

However anyone saying I will remove the roof over your head if you don't sleep with me is a cunt. That doesn't matter what was previously agreed. Don't want that tenant in your property, evict them.

[king tarzan]

I don't think any of us are naive enough to think a hot 20 something is sleeping with us because she finds us hot.

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[daviemac]

I think a lot of people are misunderstanding the fundamental differences here, it's one thing a young fit woman deciding to go into prostitution, placing an advert which basically says "pay me and I will shag you" and someone saying to a vulnerable young woman "you can live here if I can shag you".

In the first scenario it could be said the woman is taking advantage of the punter and his desires, as long as they are doing it willingly we are not exploiting them, no matter what they charge, we are availing ourselves of an advertised service.

To offer someone a roof over their head on the condition they have sex is exploitation and beneath contempt. 

[cideruk]

What's the feeling re 'the casting couch' scenario - suck me off and the acting job is yours

The young women were that desperate for fame they would do absolutely anything and these movie folk knew it.

[king tarzan]

What's the feeling re 'the casting couch' scenario - suck me off and the acting job is yours

The young women were that desperate for fame they would do absolutely anything and these movie folk knew it.

And know they regret it..
Slut for movies

[daviemac]

What's the feeling re 'the casting couch' scenario - suck me off and the acting job is yours

The young women were that desperate for fame they would do absolutely anything and these movie folk knew it.

That it has nothing to do with a man being charged in connection with exploiting vulnerable young women.

The 'casting couch' has been around for as long as there's been actresses, can you reference where the CPS say it's illegal?

[cideruk]

That it has nothing to do with a man being charged in connection with exploiting vulnerable young women.

The 'casting couch' has been around for as long as there's been actresses, can you reference where the CPS say it's illegal?

Yes agreed

Just thought it a similar situation 'do this and you'll get this reward'

 

[daviemac]

Yes agreed

Just thought it a similar situation 'do this and you'll get this reward'

That happens in almost every man / woman relationship and is totally different to this. This is about exploiting the vulnerable.

[cideruk]

They call it exploitation, ditto all the Top of the Pops groupies with Radio DJs etc


 

[scutty brown]

I can see this running into problems though.
What about a situation where a bloke sets up and pays for his mistress to live in a flat, essentially running two homes? If she suddenly said "no" to sex she'd be out the door in a hurry.
Taken to extreme you had that prat Lord Bath with a dozen or so "wifelets" in houses dotted around the Longleat estate. At what point does that become exploitation?
Easy to see the core problem, hard to define the boundaries of it

[cideruk]

Yes, ditto definition of vulnerable / homeless
 

[Jimmyredcab]

This is about exploiting the vulnerable.

Surely the same could be said if you meet skint students through “seeking arrangements”.   

[king tarzan]

Surely the same could be said if you meet skint students through “seeking arrangements”.   

Nope.. they come to that sight willingly, there own choice..

[scutty brown]

Surely the same could be said if you meet skint students through “seeking arrangements”.   

Legally I guess you could be on dodgy ground if you met one for a meal and then persuaded her to have sex for cash.........the whole range of procuring/facilitating/inducing prostitution charges would be available

[king tarzan]

Legally I guess you could be on dodgy ground if you met one for a meal and then persuaded her to have sex for cash.........the whole range of procuring/facilitating/inducing prostitution charges would be available

If a 25 year old Cindy Crawford asked you to pay her flight to London from new York in exchange for sex.
Would you??

[scutty brown]

If a 25 year old Cindy Crawford asked you to pay her flight to London from new York in exchange for sex.
Would you??

She would be asking you - big difference
But in the USA the Mann act would apply

[king tarzan]

She would be asking you - big difference
But in the USA the Mann act would apply

A big time yes from me!!👅👅😋😋

[daviemac]

They call it exploitation, ditto all the Top of the Pops groupies with Radio DJs etc

Show me in where the CPS classify any of the other things you are brining up as illegal. Stop trying to trivialise the exploitation of the vulnerable.

Women use sex as a reward in all walks of life and that is not the same as this lowlife scum.

[king tarzan]

Show me in where the CPS classify any of the other things you are brining up as illegal. Stop trying to trivialise the exploitation of the vulnerable.

Women use sex as a reward in all walks of life and that is not the same as this lowlife scum.

yep

[daviemac]

Surely the same could be said if you meet skint students through “seeking arrangements”.   

Not at all, they would have to join SA, which as the name denotes, is about finding an 'arrangement'.  As I understand SA the bloke contacts the girl and she sets out the terms, similar to a prossie.
This lowlife scum placed an advert offering accommodation for sex and that is not in any way the same as SA, groupies, the casting couch or any other similar scenario.

[g284]

Seriously agree, however very rare are the WGs (sub-200ph) who you aren't exploiting for sexual favours.  Most aren't making happy careers from their minges because they can't find something more fulfilling that will support their needs, at best they make bank before they suffer lasting physical/psychological impacts, at worst they continue working whilst trying to dig themselves out of their financial predicament (self inflicted or otherwise) or achieve their financial goal.  Exploitation isn't only when the girls are managed by another party.

The conscience jumping off point for most of us is that the girls are free to choose when they stop working and how long that break may last.

If the landlord can waive the rent payment in exchange for sex, that means they're financially secure enough to let renters stay for free without the exchange for sex. So the landlord by definition becomes a sexual predator.

[DrGFreeman]

I think the consensus seems to be exploitation is about choice :
     if the girl enters the exchange as a equal and agrees terms, then that's not exploitative
     however, if she has no power to negotiate or to say no to sex then it is exploitative

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I'm not a lawyer but it seems 'sex for rent' falls under 'causing prostitution for gain' where they can prove exploitation
but if she entered into the arrangement 'in accordance with her free will' (and no sign of exploitation) they can still prosecute you for 'controlling prostitution'

and that's what I don't get - if the girl doesn't have to do it and chooses to do it anyway - where the exploitation ?
we dont know the details of his ad or the case, but if he put up an ad offering accommodation for sex and girls responded you could argue they did so knowing exactly what the deal was cos he spelt it out in the ad so where is the exploitation ?
the counter argument might be if they were homeless that had no option but to respond, or sleep outdoors and so it is exploitative

[Paris69]

If the landlord can waive the rent payment in exchange for sex, that means they're financially secure enough to let renters stay for free without the exchange for sex. So the landlord by definition becomes a sexual predator.

No. These issues are not mutually dependent. What you're saying is that if you're well off and don't really need the rent, then you're a sexual predator.
But if you do need the rent but decide on, say, one occasion to let the girl pay with her body you are not a sexual predator as you aren't well off and are suffering financially too.

[Maxemus]

I think a lot of people are misunderstanding the fundamental differences here, it's one thing a young fit woman deciding to go into prostitution, placing an advert which basically says "pay me and I will shag you" and someone saying to a vulnerable young woman "you can live here if I can shag you".

In the first scenario it could be said the woman is taking advantage of the punter and his desires, as long as they are doing it willingly we are not exploiting them, no matter what they charge, we are availing ourselves of an advertised service.

To offer someone a roof over their head on the condition they have sex is exploitation and beneath contempt.

well I couldn't have put it any better!..
The guy should lose his liberty...using a persons desperate situation to maneuver..them into a choice of desperation
+1

[Maxemus]

Not at all, they would have to join SA, which as the name denotes, is about finding an 'arrangement'.  As I understand SA the bloke contacts the girl and she sets out the terms, similar to a prossie.
This lowlife scum placed an advert offering accommodation for sex and that is not in any way the same as SA, groupies, the casting couch or any other similar scenario.

Agreed...it is like offering food or medical attention for sex...
Basic humanity is lacking in this guy!

[Brumish]

I think a lot of people are misunderstanding the fundamental differences here, it's one thing a young fit woman deciding to go into prostitution, placing an advert which basically says "pay me and I will shag you" and someone saying to a vulnerable young woman "you can live here if I can shag you".

In the first scenario it could be said the woman is taking advantage of the punter and his desires, as long as they are doing it willingly we are not exploiting them, no matter what they charge, we are availing ourselves of an advertised service.

To offer someone a roof over their head on the condition they have sex is exploitation and beneath contempt.

+1

If ever there was a concise deductive reasoning of a potential sexual exploitation at its finest.

[Jimmyredcab]

and that's what I don't get - if the girl doesn't have to do it and chooses to do it anyway - where the exploitation ?
we dont know the details of his ad or the case, but if he put up an ad offering accommodation for sex and girls responded you could argue they did so knowing exactly what the deal was cos he spelt it out in the ad so where is the exploitation ?

I agree totally, even though I know I will get shouted down.   

Man offers free flat share in exchange for weekly sex, girl takes up the offer, it’s a mutual arrangement, not a million miles away from meeting a skint student on Seeking Arrangement and coming to a similar agreement.

[daviemac]

I agree totally, even though I know I will get shouted down.   

Man offers free flat share in exchange for weekly sex, girl takes up the offer, it’s a mutual arrangement, not a million miles away from meeting a skint student on Seeking Arrangement and coming to a similar agreement.

Not shouted down as such, I just can't believe people are actually condoning this. If nothing else he is enticing vulnerable young women into prostitution.

With seeking arrangements both parties have to make a conscious decision to join a web site called "Seeking Arrangements", the idea of which is, well, to find an arrangement the details of which are discussed between two people who are actively 'seeking an arrangement'.

Not in anyway the same as a homeless young lass answering an advert for accommodation then to find out she has to prostitute herself.   

[myothernameis]

Wonder what the outcome would have been if a ts female turned up, and went looking for a flat to rent, how would the landlord react

[daviemac]

Wonder what the outcome would have been if a ts female turned up, and went looking for a flat to rent, how would the landlord react

There is no mention of any TS answering the adverts relating to the charges brought against this landlord.

[DrGFreeman]

Not in anyway the same as a homeless young lass answering an advert for accommodation then to find out she has to prostitute herself.   

But you dont know is the girls involved were homeless or had no choice

scenario A   Bloke offers girl his spare room in return for 1 hours sex a week. Girl lives in flatshare, thinks I could save 500/m, hes not that hideous and its a nice flat.
scenario B   Bloke offers girl accommodation in return for being his sex slave. Girl is sleeping rough and the shelters have banned her for drug use.

scenario A The girl doesnt have to say yes, she has options.
scenario B is exploitation, if she doesnt accept shes on the street
we dont know where on the spectrum between the scenarios the dude in this story is.

[DrGFreeman]

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story is 4 years old
dunno how many responses they got, but I would say anyone responding knows the score
I cant see how these specifically target vulnerable girls

[daviemac]

But you dont know is the girls involved were homeless or had no choice

scenario A   Bloke offers girl his spare room in return for 1 hours sex a week. Girl lives in flatshare, thinks I could save 500/m, hes not that hideous and its a nice flat.
scenario B   Bloke offers girl accommodation in return for being his sex slave. Girl is sleeping rough and the shelters have banned her for drug use.

scenario A The girl doesnt have to say yes, she has options.
scenario B is exploitation, if she doesnt accept shes on the street
we dont know where on the spectrum between the scenarios the dude in this story is.

I do not know the exact details of this particular case, they will only be made known during court proceedings. What I do know is the CPS have charged him so they must think it is in the public interest and that is a major consideration before any prosecution as is made very clear in the CPS Legal Guidance, Sexual offences, linked to.

So you can defend him all you want the facts are there for all to see. The CPS not only think it is in the public interest but also that they will have a reasonable chance of a conviction.

[Brumish]

But you dont know is the girls involved were homeless or had no choice

scenario A   Bloke offers girl his spare room in return for 1 hours sex a week. Girl lives in flatshare, thinks I could save 500/m, hes not that hideous and its a nice flat.
scenario B   Bloke offers girl accommodation in return for being his sex slave. Girl is sleeping rough and the shelters have banned her for drug use.

scenario A The girl doesnt have to say yes, she has options.
scenario B is exploitation, if she doesnt accept shes on the street
we dont know where on the spectrum between the scenarios the dude in this story is.

Think they're going to go down the route of abuse of power. Which may amount to exploitation but as a potential landlord, it can be argued that he was in a position of 'power'...aggravated by the fact that it's from the outset. Hypothetically speaking, had she had an existing tenancy agreement and he was to offer sex as a variant clause and it was taken up, I think we'd all wish them well on a long and succesful marriage.

[DrGFreeman]

the beardy fatty bloke in the story is no mate of mine
the law seems clear - sex for rent is an offence whether the girl does so freely or not
I was however very interested to explore what constituted 'exploitation' on a discussion forum dedicated to prostitution

[daviemac]

the beardy fatty bloke in the story is no mate of mine
the law seems clear - sex for rent is an offence whether the girl does so freely or not
I was however very interested to explore what constituted 'exploitation' on a discussion forum dedicated to prostitution

As far as I'm concerned this thread is about the bloke linked to in the OP, there's a thread here on exploitation.  https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=276989.msg2844387#msg2844387

[willie loman]

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story is 4 years old
dunno how many responses they got, but I would say anyone responding knows the score
I cant see how these specifically target vulnerable girls

most of the respondents were undercover journalists.

[g284]

But if you do need the rent but decide on, say, one occasion to let the girl pay with her body you are not a sexual predator as you aren't well off and are suffering financially too.

Yep still be seen as predatory when the exchange is sexual.

and that's what I don't get - if the girl doesn't have to do it and chooses to do it anyway - where the exploitation ?
we dont know the details of his ad or the case, but if he put up an ad offering accommodation for sex and girls responded you could argue they did so knowing exactly what the deal was cos he spelt it out in the ad so where is the exploitation ?
the counter argument might be if they were homeless that had no option but to respond, or sleep outdoors and so it is exploitative

The landlord is holding power advantage when the other party is seeking basic human need of shelter. The power tilt will always be in the favor of the landlord, so even when the consent is given, it can't be seen 100% free will due to the advantageous position one party holds over the other.

[anujok]

I remember back in 2015 when I was searching a room to rent, saw an advertisement which said just £1 rent per week but had to be ‘flexible’ with the owner. 

I didn’t know what it actually meant back then and called the person.  His voice was very creepy. He just asked ‘Are you a woman’ and I said ‘I don’t think I’m’. He rudely said ‘I rent only for women now cut the line’.

Well I wasn’t interested in some old creepy guy too.  But just to sag things seem much more creepy and frightening seeing such things. 

But I also know few who have got into such homes due some personal or financial issues.  I used to punt with one such and she only used to be available when the owner wasn’t home. The rates were too cheap and she was Latvian.  Not in touch anymore so can’t post any reviews or comments about her.