Another female teacher guilty of having sex with 15 year old lad.

[Doc Holliday]

Fair enough , my view was that it is more common than not, and rarely prosecuted, i was so astonished at your views, that i asked if you had worked as a gp, no gp would be surprised at how common under age sex was.

I always fully agreed with that. Underage sex is very common and rarely prosecuted in comparison to the scale. "Almost 30% of young men and 26% of young women report having had intercourse before their 16 th birthday".

At the time I think the case involved was an underage female and a very much older male. Prosecution would be far commoner under such circumstances as against a consenting 15 year old girl and an 18 year old male although technically both are illegal. We had crossed wires in the discussion and I recall by the time I tried to clarify the thread was gone 

My main thrust was that there are very complex safeguarding protocols and procedures going on in the background for whatever arena is involved, be it Healthcare, Police, Social Services etc. All these processes are escalating in nature from someone first assessing the individual case (eg School Safeguarding team) through to multi-agencies (as appropriate) and finally CPS and the courts if required.

Here is some bedtime reading for you Willie which applies North of the border    It details just how complex the assessment is of underage sex.

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Sorry for going way off at a tangent.

[willie loman]

Thanks the original case involved a 27 year old footballer and a 15 year old girl, having consensual intimacy in his car,not intercourse, he was given 6 years, to the absolute delight of the majority of posters, though not me. It will be interesting to see what this lady gets.

[David1970]

Thanks the original case involved a 27 year old footballer and a 15 year old girl, having consensual intimacy in his car,not intercourse, he was given 6 years, to the absolute delight of the majority of posters, though not me. It will be interesting to see what this lady gets.

Do you mean he got a kid to give him a blowjob in his car and got 6 years, she will get some soft option like community payback, which I think is double standers.

[daviemac]

Thanks the original case involved a 27 year old footballer and a 15 year old girl, having consensual intimacy in his car,not intercourse, he was given 6 years, to the absolute delight of the majority of posters, though not me. It will be interesting to see what this lady gets.

That is not the same in any way, that twat used his position as a footballer to groom her, giving her shirts etc. She was a Sunderland fan and he was one of the 'star' players, he got 6 years because of the grooming aspect of it. Had it happened in any other setting without the 'celebrity' aspect he would not have treated as harshly.

[Doc Holliday]

Thanks the original case involved a 27 year old footballer and a 15 year old girl, having consensual intimacy in his car,not intercourse, he was given 6 years, to the absolute delight of the majority of posters, though not me. It will be interesting to see what this lady gets.

Different circumstances and charges though so not comparable 'legally'.

I think the case you and Davie are referring to is this one? External Link/Members Only

Note the charges in the opening paragraph as well as a detailed sentencing statement. As Davie says there was an element of grooming and whilst he was described as being in a position of trust he was not actually charged with 'an abuse of position of trust' which is the charge this teacher has been found guilty.

[Jomoore]

How is a male teacher taking advantage of a 15 year old girl 'entirely different' from a female teacher taking advantage of a 15 year old boy?

This possibly falls into the category of question which, if someone needs to ask it, they would never understand the answer.

[Horizontal pleasures]

They did it in a  field!
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[Doc Holliday]

Different circumstances and charges though so not comparable 'legally'.

I think the case you and Davie are referring to is this one? External Link/Members Only

Note the charges in the opening paragraph as well as a detailed sentencing statement. As Davie says there was an element of grooming and whilst he was described as being in a position of trust he was not actually charged with 'an abuse of position of trust' which is the charge this teacher has been found guilty.

UPDATE ... Having waded through some of the press reports again, which are notoriously difficult to decipher what the specific charges are, it seems I have got this wrong? 

"she was convicted in September of sending the boy topless pictures of herself on Snapchat between September and October 2018, but she was acquitted of causing or inciting a child to engage in sexual activities while in a position of trust"

"Jurors at Aylesbury Crown Court were unable to reach verdicts on three more serious charges of causing or inciting a child aged under 16 to engage in a sexual act.

Prosecutor Richard Milne told jurors at Amersham Law Courts last week that Barber faces retrial on three counts of causing or inciting a child under 16 to engage in sexual activity."

It seems she has now been found guilty of one of those charges but acquitted of the other two although this still isn't entirely clear. Clearly a difficult case in terms of 'all reasonable doubt' from the evidence.

This case is therefore more comparable to the footballer. Sentencing is now scheduled for 15th February.

[dubs]

It’s known as double standards, let me explain.

Suppose your 18 year old son went to Benidorm and shagged ten girls in ten days you would give him the thumbs up.

Now let’s suppose your 18 year old daughter shagged ten guys in ten days, you would probably be shocked.

A key that can open 10 different locks is a pretty amazing key.

A lock that can be opened with 10 different keys is a crappy lock.

[willie loman]

UPDATE ... Having waded through some of the press reports again, which are notoriously difficult to decipher what the specific charges are, it seems I have got this wrong? 

"she was convicted in September of sending the boy topless pictures of herself on Snapchat between September and October 2018, but she was acquitted of causing or inciting a child to engage in sexual activities while in a position of trust"

"Jurors at Aylesbury Crown Court were unable to reach verdicts on three more serious charges of causing or inciting a child aged under 16 to engage in a sexual act.



Prosecutor Richard Milne told jurors at Amersham Law Courts last week that Barber faces retrial on three counts of causing or inciting a child under 16 to engage in sexual activity."

It seems she has now been found guilty of one of those charges but acquitted of the other two although this still isn't entirely clear. Clearly a difficult case in terms of 'all reasonable doubt' from the evidence.

This case is therefore more comparable to the footballer. Sentencing is now scheduled for 15th February.

thanks as ever for your efforts.

[chrishornx]

Exactly, Jim.

assuming the teacher was male

[chrishornx]

A key that can open 10 different locks is a pretty amazing key.

A lock that can be opened with 10 different keys is a crappy lock.

so true

[lamboman]

A key that can open 10 different locks is a pretty amazing key.

A lock that can be opened with 10 different keys is a crappy lock.

What a crappy saying who said that?

[daviemac]

What a crappy saying who said that?

It's a saying that means its okay for a man to get lots of woman, but shameful if a woman gets many men.

[willie loman]

What a crappy saying who said that?

some arse, sounds like Oscar Wilde, but sense it wasnt him.

[lamboman]

It's a saying that means its okay for a man to get lots of woman, but shameful if a woman gets many men.

I know what it means.

[daviemac]

I know what it means.

You gave the impression you didn't.   

[VitIron]

It’s known as double standards, let me explain.

Suppose your 18 year old son went to Benidorm and shagged ten girls in ten days you would give him the thumbs up.

Now let’s suppose your 18 year old daughter shagged ten guys in ten days, you would probably be shocked.

That’s the way it’s always been.

I am sure David1970 will tell me what I have got wrong. 

You're talking absolute nonsense.

This is not about a schoolboy pulling a female teacher or schoolgirl pulling a male teacher.

It's about someone abusing their position of trust and having sex with a child.

It's a crime and gender has got nothing to do with it.

[webpunter]

Quality behaviour
It wasn't just the train that was 'express' that evening 

I had a french teacher who was fit-as
& the accent 
She certainly had my attention in the lessons

I wish it was me
Whilst no difference in terms of predatory behaviour i kinda feel that its more acceptable when the teacher is a female & some young lad is gagging for it

Pretty sure that even if the student is older than 16 the teacher ain't outta the woods when it comes to responsibility
Given the relationship between the two individuals
For the teacher 16 = risky / 17 = the same / 18 = the student is an adult in the eyes of the law

Although I'd experienced all the usual fumbles, fiddles,gropes and knee tremblers with girls in my early teens, my first pathetic attempt at intercourse as a 15 year old was when I as seduced by a 20 years old girl from the Girl Guides called Rhona (but known as Flossie The Bike), who took me to the local football field by a railway embankment one night.

Of course it was doomed to failure. Being the young gentleman, I placed my new grey shorty coat on the mud for her to lie on, but as expected, as soon as she pulled my cock out I ejaculated all over the inside of my coat, just as the 9.30 Liverpool to London express steamed past illuminating my total embarrassment.
God knows how I explained all the mud and snail tracks to my mum the next day.

I wonder how many lads reading those media reports about those glamorous young teachers would think...'wish that was me?'

[Strawberry]

You're talking absolute nonsense.

This is not about a schoolboy pulling a female teacher or schoolgirl pulling a male teacher.

It's about someone abusing their position of trust and having sex with a child.

It's a crime and gender has got nothing to do with it.

Nail on the head it's the nature of the position of the teacher, similarly other professions in which inappropriate relationships are unethical.

[Jimmyredcab]

You're talking absolute nonsense.

This is not about a schoolboy pulling a female teacher or schoolgirl pulling a male teacher.

It's about someone abusing their position of trust and having sex with a child.

It's a crime and gender has got nothing to do with it.

A male teacher would be dealt with more severely ---------------- and "certain people" on here would want him to be given a lethal injection. 

[scutty brown]

A male teacher would be dealt with more severely ---------------- and "certain people" on here would want him to be given a lethal injection. 

Why don't you wait until sentencing and see what happens rather than pontificate prolix prattle?

[george r]

They did it in a  field!
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lucky twat !!  most young lads would to be honest given half the chance 

[Strawberry]

lucky twat !!  most young lads would to be honest given half the chance 

And the surrounding publicity, investigation?

I would imagine he may not be feeling so lucky right now.

[Private Parts]

And the surrounding publicity, investigation?

I would imagine he may not be feeling so lucky right now.

Particularly when he gets B’day cards asking
“Was she a screamer?”
 

[Doc Holliday]

Whilst searching for press reports of the trial, I stumbled across this. No idea how common UK cases are involving female teachers and students, but it seems 'across the pond' to be on another scale perhaps?

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[spiralnotebook]

The Title should read as :-

`Another female teacher guilty of having sex with lucky 15 year old lad`.

[winkywanky]

Why do these teachers never learn that when they shag a schoolboy and send him topless pictures of themselves it's all gonna come out into the open. The first thing he will do is brag about it to his mates who won't believe him until they've seen the evidence so he shows them the photos who will share them round with all and sundry and now the cats out of the bag. You have to think that modern day teachers are not that bright.  What's even more remarkable is that her soft sap of a husband is standing by her whilst the shit hits the fan.

Truly unbelievable, the 'quality' of some of the new teachers emerging from teacher training! 

[webpunter]

Hubby looks well fucked off & well hard.  I am sure he would have had a deep meaningful convo with his missus when he got home 

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[winkywanky]

Imagine, cuckolded by a schoolboy when he has all those tattoos and built like a brick shithouse 

A married teacher claims she is "too short" to have had doggy-style sex with a schoolboy, as she doesn't even reach his shoulders, a jury was told.

She's obviously not a Physics teacher then (or Biology for that matter), maybe he did her in piledriver? 

[webpunter]

I wouldn't mention to him that he is cuckolded
Coz he'll think that you want to hold his cock
Not that you've got any form for that 

Imagine, cuckolded by a schoolboy when he has all those tattoos and built like a brick shithouse 

[willie loman]

Whilst searching for press reports of the trial, I stumbled across this. No idea how common UK cases are involving female teachers and students, but it seems 'across the pond' to be on another scale perhaps?

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In america it is indeed common, but even up here in Scotland in the last few years there have been various cases involving adult females and teenage boys, surprisingly 3 of the them were in well known private schools, eg merchiston , edinburgh,last boys only private school in scotland, st josephs college, dumfries, and stewart melvilles,edinburgh sentences are usually nominal, though there is the usual "show trial aspect", i have said before, and say it again, going to trial makes an embarrassing episode, of no real significance, a life changing moment for all.

[spiralnotebook]

Wonder when the `victim` will end on a reality show. 

[Animalbeast]

Is this the one where the husband is still supporting her? It’s one thing to get cheated on, but to get cheated on for a boy... he should really reconsider he’s status as a man. He can regain it one instance by dumping her and never looking back.

[winkywanky]

I wouldn't mention to him that he is cuckolded
Coz he'll think that you want to hold his cock
Not that you've got any form for that 

He did look a little grunt-like WP, so quite possibly he wouldn't know the difference between cuckolded and cock-holded 

[webpunter]

Very good ! 
I'll take 'gr' over 'c' 

He did look [like] a little grunt-like WP, so quite possibly he wouldn't know the difference between cuckolded and cock-holded 

[willie loman]

i have noticed that men who started their sex lives early , always claim to regret it, and say the wish they had waited for the right girl, oh yeah. That is when they are talking to social work types, and journalists, doesnt square with real life that.

[SeriousLee]

I cant imagine how it would feel being the guy knowing your wife or girlfriend was having sex with a 15 year old.

[webpunter]

Even better if the wife or GF was a M-netter
How the mighty have fallen 

[VitIron]

Nail on the head it's the nature of the position of the teacher, similarly other professions in which inappropriate relationships are unethical.

I said abusing the position of trust and having sex with a child.

The former applies to the profession, the latter is a crime regardless of the profession.

[SeriousLee]

Saw on the Daily Mail this morning, yeah I read the Daily Mail, that a 48 year old female teacher has been struck off for bombarding a 15 year old female pupil with love messages.

What is all weird in all these stories is that there is usually a litany of issues that are known and are just swept under the carpet until it reaches the media or the public.

[markeewould]

Well played to the 15 yr old involved

indeed... well done sir !

 

[VitIron]

This possibly falls into the category of question which, if someone needs to ask it, they would never understand the answer.

I think what you're failing to understand here is that a crime has been committed - an adult having sex with a child.

The gender of the perpetator and the gender of the victim are totally irrelevant.

[VitIron]

What is all weird in all these stories is that there is usually a litany of issues that are known and are just swept under the carpet until it reaches the media or the public.

Such as?

[sparkus]

What doesn't make sense is the teacher's poor calculation of risk given all the training and guidance they're given on safeguarding.  As someone said, the gender is irrelevant.

I think the rigid criminality has only been a thing in the past decade or so, it's not so uncommon to hear of married couples who met before then when her first name for him was 'Sir' and he was reading hers out of a register every morning.

There is of course the Busted song of the early 00s 'What I Go To School For' about one of their relationships with Miss McKenzie, consummated at the end of the song.

[theejaculator]

“We shall abolish the orgasm. Our neurologists are at work upon it now.”    1984  O Brien  describes  power .

   ME  ?   I  don't  need  a  genetically  engineered  absence  of  that  mysterious  , unfathomable  and   unknowable  thing  that  DH  Lawrence  spends  most  of  Lady  Chatterley's  Lover  chasing  .....

    I  can  hardly  get  there  anymore  after  20  years  punting  ....   The  orgasm  has  itself  deconstructed  the  orgasm   ....  if  it ever  even  existed

This is the best thing to come out of this Thread..got banned from UKP for 'posting bollocks'...classic ..bravo Daviemac

[aaron010]

Where were these teachers when I was 15 

[Private Parts]

Where were these teachers when I was 15 

Being knobbed by the upper sixth
 

[winkywanky]

Being knobbed by the upper sixth
 

Funny you should say that, in the late 70s when I was in the Lower Sixth there was a quiet, studious, strapping, Rugby first team, somewhat mature beyond his years guy in the Upper Sixth who it later emerged had been shagging a very cute and elfin 26yr old English teacher who was estranged from her husband.

One day she was suddenly no longer in school (rumour abounded, particularly amongst the girls  ) , and the chap in question stayed on to finish off his A Levels. Last we all heard, they were shacking up together as a couple and she'd moved on to another school in the town

[Doc Holliday]

Funny you should say that, in the late 70s when I was in the Lower Sixth there was a quiet, studious, strapping, Rugby first team, somewhat mature beyond his years guy in the Upper Sixth who it later emerged had been shagging a very cute and elfin 26yr old English teacher who was estranged from her husband.

One day she was suddenly no longer in school (rumour abounded, particularly amongst the girls  ) , and the chap in question stayed on to finish off his A Levels. Last we all heard, they were shacking up together as a couple and she'd moved on to another school in the town

I attended an all boys Grammar School where all the teaching staff were male with the exception of an elderly (and excellent) Head of Biology. When I began my second year, the school appointed a late twenties languages teacher who was very pleasing on the eye and wore short skirts. Her life was hell. I cringe now looking back at some of the innuendo's she had to face from a testosterone fuelled audience.

She lasted just the one year and by the time I left sixth form no other female teacher was ever appointed.