The Donation For The Site To Move Forward Topic

[Head1]

There is a consistent Bad Gateway message at 0330 UK time every day . I assume that's a planned maintenance thing. Only lasts a few minutes

That’s the daily backup 

[mh]

That’s the daily backup 

I'd have said you'd picked a time when nobody would notice, but we are clearly a community of (a) men of a certain age many of whom need to pee in the middle of the night (b) sex addicts who can't take a piss in the middle of the night without thoughts turning to sex and punting.
 

[compata]

The announcment expalining about donations says to send a PM for details. However, I cant send PMs to someone I have not received a PM from.

[Doc Holliday]

"The email to use for Donations is: contactukp@yahoo.com"

Just send from the email you used to register with 

[daviemac]

The announcment expalining about donations says to send a PM for details. However, I cant send PMs to someone I have not received a PM from.

I've moved this to the already running thread on the subject that has all the information, no need for a new one.

[Bush]

The announcment expalining about donations says to send a PM for details. However, I cant send PMs to someone I have not received a PM from.

Yea, it’s not at all clear how you can get a donation to the appropriate guy......you sort of have to work at it. I’ve said before that it would appear that a serious opportunity to get some wonga into the coffers is likely being missed. The figures show recent sign ups in excess of 11000. Just a fiver off each would have given a decent kitty for the owner to play with......I wouldn’t have thought that it would be seen as greedy to make a contribution at joining compulsory.

Of course I say that without any knowledge of the issues that may come out of that.

And the motto is.   ‘Make it simple to make a contribution’

[Blackpool Rock]

Yea, it’s not at all clear how you can get a donation to the appropriate guy......you sort of have to work at it. I’ve said before that it would appear that a serious opportunity to get some wonga into the coffers is likely being missed. The figures show recent sign ups in excess of 11000. Just a fiver off each would have given a decent kitty for the owner to play with......I wouldn’t have thought that it would be seen as greedy to make a contribution at joining compulsory.

Of course I say that without any knowledge of the issues that may come out of that.

And the motto is.   ‘Make it simple to make a contribution’

Sorry but it's actually easy, if you follow the instructions which have been explained countless times on this thread already.

You are right that head 1 / Admin could have made a lot of money from a compulsory donation to join however I think it's all credit to the owners that they decided not to which is in line with the original ethos etc of the site   

[daviemac]

Yea, it’s not at all clear how you can get a donation to the appropriate guy......you sort of have to work at it. I’ve said before that it would appear that a serious opportunity to get some wonga into the coffers is likely being missed. The figures show recent sign ups in excess of 11000. Just a fiver off each would have given a decent kitty for the owner to play with......I wouldn’t have thought that it would be seen as greedy to make a contribution at joining compulsory.

Of course I say that without any knowledge of the issues that may come out of that.

And the motto is.   ‘Make it simple to make a contribution’

How simple do you want it, Do you know what site A***** is, (hint the South American river.) then follow the instructions.

 

Login to your Axxxxxx Account.

Choose an eGift Voucher.

Choose the Amount.

In the “To” box add contactukp@yahoo.com

In the “From” box add your Forum Profile name

Simples.

[vindici]

It's turning into an intelligence test. There are those that can read and follow instructions and then there are those that bitch about not being able to send a pm, even though there is an alternative clearly in the description.

[Bush]

Sorry but it's actually easy, if you follow the instructions which have been explained countless times on this thread already.

You are right that head 1 / Admin could have made a lot of money from a compulsory donation to join however I think it's all credit to the owners that they decided not to which is in line with the original ethos etc of the site 

Look, as always my post was intended to be helpful. In so far as if it’s easy or not that is a matter of opinion. I’m not devoid of a few brain cells but when I joined,  and remember at that time of joining you know little about how the site works, I did not find it obvious as to how I could make a contribution....my immediate thought was to PM but couldn’t. So just accept that is how I and im sure a few others found it. Also at the time of joining you do have flagged up in your face the ‘countless’ times the process had been explains....hindsight is a etc.etc.etc.
As far as a joining fee is concerned I was talking about a fiver, I think it is a mistake for the owners to miss that opportunity. Why should the owner have to dig into his/her pocket every time something goes wrong or when the site needs developing......he /she is not an extension of the social services.
Anyway that’s my view, I certainly wouldn’t have minded having to pay a compulsory fiver or tenner. It might also act as deterrent to those who open multiple accounts

[Bush]

How simple do you want it, Do you know what site A***** is, (hint the South American river.) then follow the instructions.

My post was sent from the angle of being a new member.....just take it as an intended helpful contribution for you to ignore if it’s not appropriate. It was not a major criticism of the site rules and I don’t think it really warranted a sarcastic reply all be it you probably have the authority to do that.
 As a moderator I would have thought you would welcome and encourage  suggestions such as this but maybe not. Also please bear in mind that  you know the site and it’s rules from being a member for yonks. I know it’s ‘simples’ now but I didn’t at the time of joining which was the point I was trying to make. If I am misguided on this then no doubt the bulging coffers will confirm that and hoorah if that is indeed the case.

How the hell can I be castigated for wanting to raise some dosh for the boss.

[daviemac]

My post was sent from the angle of being a new member.....just take it as an intended helpful contribution for you to ignore if it’s not appropriate. It was not a major criticism of the site rules and I don’t think it really warranted a sarcastic reply all be it you probably have the authority to do that.
 As a moderator I would have thought you would welcome and encourage  suggestions such as this but maybe not. Also please bear in mind that  you know the site and it’s rules from being a member for yonks. I know it’s ‘simples’ now but I didn’t at the time of joining which was the point I was trying to make. If I am misguided on this then no doubt the bulging coffers will confirm that and hoorah if that is indeed the case.

How the hell can I be castigated for wanting to raise some dosh for the boss.

What I have noticed as a moderator is the number of new members who don't bother having a look round the site to see how it works, don't bother reading the rules they agree to when signing up, don't bother even attempting to find an answer that might be right in front of them, the list is endless.

The new member who posted here read the sticky at the top of the main page posted by Head1 and that included the email address for donations so he did not need to send a PM on here he could just send an email from the one he used to register and ask for details.

That plain fact is, it is simple, just some people need to be spoon fed information that is in plain sight.

Another thing I have noticed there seems to quite a few 'new' members who know more about the site and the way it works than one would expect from such a short membership.

BTW it wasn't sarcasm, it was a rhetorical question. 

[Bush]

 

[Bush]

What I have noticed as a moderator is the number of new members who don't bother having a look round the site to see how it works, don't bother reading the rules they agree to when signing up, don't bother even attempting to find an answer that might be right in front of them, the list

Another thing I have noticed there seems to quite a few 'new' members who know more about the site and the way it works than one would expect from such a short membership.

Isn’t the first paragraph a bit of a contradiction of the second paragraph.......aren’t you suggesting that new members should read the rules and demonstrate that they have done so by being proficient in using the site.

The site is not a unique platform......many forums use the same software.

On the issue of membership....as I said my comments were made with the best of intentions. I’ll leave it at that.
 

[daviemac]

Isn’t the first paragraph a bit of a contradiction of the second paragraph.......aren’t you suggesting that new members should read the rules and demonstrate that they have done so by being proficient in using the site.

The site is not a unique platform......many forums use the same software.

On the issue of membership....as I said my comments were made with the best of intentions. I’ll leave it at that.
 

You can put whatever interpretation you want on what I said. However if you read my post again you might see that the first paragraph was a comment about new members in general, the second an observation regarding one individual member who was directed to this thread where all the information regarding donations and how to do so has been repeated and explained in detail several times.

One such explanation is only one page back.

I have made a small donation.  BTW - I saw this thread before xmas then forgot about it with all the xmas stuff - so omitted to donate, which I expect might be a reason for the slow results.

It was a palaver, probably due to my cocking it up.

1. Go to your account on a prominent online shopping site

2.  Click on Gift Cards and Top up

3.  Click on Print at Home

4.   Put the amount you want to donate in the Gift Card box (it doesn't  have to be £50, it can be any amount)

5.    Then checkout and pay via credit or debit card.

6      You will receive TWO emails from A...The second one will have a gift code.

7.      Email the gift code to UKP: contactukp@yahoo.com

(I firstly thought you had to top up your gift card balance, but then it didn't let me email it to anybody, so I shall have to use it on my next purchase, no big deal but a bit confusing).

Hope this helps.

thanks

Quite why you want to make an issue out of this is beyond me, perhaps old habits die hard eh?

[cotton]

Quite why you want to make an issue out of this is beyond me, perhaps old habits die hard eh?

For any returning ex-members i would say put old animosities aside and fgs watch out for TS pretending to be real women 

[Bush]

You can put whatever interpretation you want on what I said. However if you read my post again you might see that the first paragraph was a comment about new members in general, the second an observation regarding one individual member who was directed to this thread where all the information regarding donations and how to do so has been repeated and explained in detail several times.

One such explanation is only one page back.
Quite why you want to make an issue out of this is beyond me, perhaps old habits die hard eh?

Daviemac unfortunately you are completely missing the credible and well meant purpose of my original post. I have no wish to give you a reason to press the nuclear’B’ button, that you have but I don’t, so I will gracefully withdraw from this exchange and wish you a good day 

[daviemac]

Daviemac unfortunately you are completely missing the credible and well meant purpose of my original post. I have no wish to give you a reason to press the nuclear’B’ button, that you have but I don’t, so I will gracefully withdraw from this exchange and wish you a good day 

My last word on this is, some members really should be grateful the doors are open again and they are able to join, they should take the opportunity they have to make the most of the site and not 'rock the boat'. They should never assume the admin and mods are daft and if members Do do the right thing then they won't get banned.

[winkywanky]

My last word on this is, some members really should be grateful the doors are open again and they are able to join, they should take the opportunity they have to make the most of the site and not 'rock the boat'. They should never assume the admin and mods are daft and if members Do do the right thing then they won't get banned.

Sending you lots of love and calm thoughts at this very difficult time davie.

(Fuck, who'd be a Mod on UKP?      )

[daviemac]

Sending you lots of love and calm thoughts at this very difficult time davie.

(Fuck, who'd be a Mod on UKP?      )

Cheers mate, much appreciated.   

[Whiteknight]

My last word on this is, some members really should be grateful the doors are open again and they are able to join, they should take the opportunity they have to make the most of the site and not 'rock the boat'. They should never assume the admin and mods are daft and if members Do do the right thing then they won't get banned.

Yes it was useful and I was happy to have the privilege to be allowed to join this site, been waiting for ages prior to that.

[winkywanky]

Cheers mate, much appreciated.   

It's my pleasure davie, and I feel sure the vast majority of UKP members feel the same.

It's a dirty job but someone's gotta do it.

And they themselves wouldn't do it in a million years  .

[winkywanky]

Yes it was useful and I was happy to have the privilege to be allowed to join this site, been waiting for ages prior to that.

As a brand new member WK, welcome  .

I can't help noticing two things though:

1. your name WhiteKnight is obviously meant ironically (but if you should ever speak up in defence of a WG on here you will have that thrown straight back in your face).

2. Politics as such has been banished from these boards (too controversial) and I see that your avatar is clearly political. I guess no one else has noticed yet, but you might want to change that before someone in authority notices? 

[daviemac]

Yes it was useful and I was happy to have the privilege to be allowed to join this site, been waiting for ages prior to that.

My comment was aimed at one particular member, not new members in general, and he knows who his is/was and so do I.

[Whiteknight]

As a brand new member WK, welcome  .

I can't help noticing two things though:

1. your name WhiteKnight is obviously meant ironically (but if you should ever speak up in defence of a WG on here you will have that thrown straight back in your face).

2. Politics as such has been banished from these boards (too controversial) and I see that your avatar is clearly political. I guess no one else has noticed yet, but you might want to change that before someone in authority notices? 

Thanks WinkyWanky

WhiteKnight I have used with most online forums before, good point, but I did not use the name in thinking of sticking up for WG in mind.

With the avatar, I was only seeing what I have on my phone, most were naked woman or porn photos, thought I am not allowed to use them.  Yeah the current one is a rubbish 1, will probably upload my dream car instead before being told off.

Anyway, thanks for the advice, I am still settling down and getting familiar with some rules.

[winkywanky]

No worries 

[norwichfunseeker]

Sending you lots of love and calm thoughts at this very difficult time davie.

(Fuck, who'd be a Mod on UKP?      )

If I may echo WWs comments to you DavieM,, and all the other mods, helpers, admin, etc.
It is Indeed a thankless task, and nothing but respect to you all for being there and keeping everyone (old and new) inline.

[king tarzan]

If I may echo WWs comments to you DavieM,, and all the other mods, helpers, admin, etc.
It is Indeed a thankless task, and nothing but respect to you all for being there and keeping everyone (old and new) inline.

The 🦁🦁🦁🦁🦁🦁🦁🦁🦁🦁 of the 🐅 forum 🥊🥊🥊🥊🥊👊👊👊👊👊👊

[smiths]

Cheers mate, much appreciated.   

IMO you and the other mods and admin are doing a great job keep it up. I certainly wouldn't have the same patience as you guys with some of the twats on here.

[hungrypunt]

It's my pleasure davie, and I feel sure the vast majority of UKP members feel the same.

It's a dirty job but someone's gotta do it.

And they themselves wouldn't do it in a million years  .

Get a room FFS you two 

[Thephoenix]

If I may echo WWs comments to you DavieM,, and all the other mods, helpers, admin, etc.
It is Indeed a thankless task, and nothing but respect to you all for being there and keeping everyone (old and new) inline.

Yes.....he seems like a nice boy.

Worth getting a few brownie points in case I catch him on a bad day 🙄

[hungrypunt]

Lots of sites now show google remarketing ads if you are not a full member brings in small amounts ,annoying arent they...... to remove them you join, to join costs what, a fiver, tenner, 2 quid ?
kerrrrr ching, site cost issues sorted.

[Head1]

The site is now retaking new members with a twist. They will have to pay £20 to join, and to make it a bit more of a challenge; they will have to pay with BTC.
This should cut back on people making numerous account and getting banned and then returning, causing a lot of work for the hard-working mods.
Also, it should make the site completely self-sufficient.
Just to be 100% clear. No one already a member will be asked ever to pay a fee 

[tynetunnel]

Excellent news Head1, that should stop some of the twats who sign up just to troll 

[Xtro]

@ Head1,

Fantastic!  20 notes is a small price to pay for such a resourceful site.   

However, I'm saying that because I'm here and know how good it is.
Potential new members may not want to cough up £20 and "go in blind", so to say.
Will they be given a 24hr free pass or something to check out the site before investing? (Just a suggestion).

[cotton]

@ Head1,

Fantastic!  20 notes is a small price to pay for such a resourceful site.   

However, I'm saying that because I'm here and know how good it is.
Potential new members may not want to cough up £20 and "go in blind", so to say.
Will they be given a 24hr free pass or something to check out the site before investing? (Just a suggestion).

Arnt non members able to view the site anyway , isnt it just off topic non-members cannot view , or maybe ive got that wrong 

[Blackpool Rock]

Arnt non members able to view the site anyway , isnt it just off topic non-members cannot view , or maybe ive got that wrong 

Think it was changed, try logging out and viewing the site and you can see punting abroad but nothing else

[cotton]

Think it was changed, try logging out and viewing the site and you can see punting abroad but nothing else

Ah ok , that would make sense , otherwise what would be the point in anyone paying £20 when they can view it for free 

[Grumpy Pumpy]

Good idea Head 

[hungrypunt]

@ Head1,

Potential new members may not want to cough up £20 and "go in blind", so to say.
Will they be given a 24hr free pass or something to check out the site before investing? (Just a suggestion).

This is a good idea, would hook in more punters (pardon the pun)

Id probably walk away if I couldnt see how the site benefited me. Lets face it I dont think new members come from "mates" referrals so how would they know how it benefits them.
Unless of course you lead them to a page that shows a sampling of what they would get once they join, or maybe even a fiver to taste then upgrade to full after 1 week or be gone.

[southcoastpunter]

I suppose it depends whether the intent is to put all non members off or only encourage genuine potential members. I am guessing its the former but if the latter, then as a guest (ie trying to view without logging in) I only see "punting overseas/abroad" and in fact only "Asia" - nothing else.

There is nothing to suggest there is more beyond that to see by becoming a member. I'm guessing that unless you are already in the "know" about this site, you probably wouldn't be hurrying to pay to join for just "Asia"

[Blackpool Rock]

I suppose it depends whether the intent is to put all non members off or only encourage genuine potential members. I am guessing its the former but if the latter, then as a guest (ie trying to view without logging in) I only see "punting overseas/abroad" and in fact only "Asia" - nothing else.

There is nothing to suggest there is more beyond that to see by becoming a member. I'm guessing that unless you are already in the "know" about this site, you probably wouldn't be hurrying to pay to join for just "Asia"

I have to agree it would have put me off joining if I couldn't see what the site was about etc, can't remember which other site it was pre my UKP days but you were able to view a limited number of pages 5 or 10 a day before access was stopped, obviously you couldn't post anything.

Perhaps a limited view would be worthwhile but with a lifetime limit of say 50 to stop people just viewing 5 pages every single day

It's a good idea to put up a paywall to stop trolls and school kids joining to hurl abuse and should ensure only serious people sign up however we also don't want to put serious punters off joining

[LLPunting]

An interesting development... nice one boss.

How this affects who posts what will be one to watch.

Less touts?
Less SPs?
Less leeches as those inside the fence are further eliminated?

How long would it take a "decent" PC/graphics card/mini-miner to mine enough BTC to pay the admission price?

[Blackpool Rock]

An interesting development... nice one boss.

How this affects who posts what will be one to watch.

Less touts?
Less SPs?
Less leeches as those inside the fence are further eliminated?

How long would it take a "decent" PC/graphics card/mini-miner to mine enough BTC to pay the admission price?

Oh shit i've only just twigged that BTC is Bitcoin, I naively thought it was something like Bank Transfer credit.

Bitcoin would definitely put me off joining as I just view it as "dodgy" and never intend to touch the stuff 

[vindici]

How long would it take a "decent" PC/graphics card/mini-miner to mine enough BTC to pay the admission price?

Probably forever, these days you can't mine BTC without an ASIC. Also the wait time for a GPU is insane due to the recent moon of the Crypto market.

Bitcoin would definitely put me off joining as I just view it as "dodgy" and never intend to touch the stuff 

The cost is parity with ISG which also pretty much only accepts BTC, although cash in an envelope is also oddly ok. As much as you don't want to get involved with BTC, at some point you'll need to engage with digital currencies. It's the future, whether you like it or not.

[JontyR]

I'm sure that the mods an admin are all over it, but just wondered whether in any registration process there is a strong recommendation to read the site rules first, a direct quote of rule one and a link to guide on writing reviews. 

Folks are generally supportive of noobs to the site, but you wonder whether the attitudes of some of the new year intake would be duplicated if new registrants felt entitled by having paid for the privileged of accessing the site. 

Thanks to those in charge though for taking all these new steps to safeguard the future of this resource. 

[vindici]

I have to agree it would have put me off joining if I couldn't see what the site was about etc, can't remember which other site it was pre my UKP days but you were able to view a limited number of pages 5 or 10 a day before access was stopped, obviously you couldn't post anything.

Perhaps a limited view would be worthwhile but with a lifetime limit of say 50 to stop people just viewing 5 pages every single day

I also agree with this, hopefully some kind of limited preview could be available.

Could read access to the punting wiki be open for everyone? Even if they are leeches, I wouldn't want any fellow punter getting ripped off or mixed up in dangerous situations. The blacklists and advice there are kind of a safety tool for punters.

[snaitram99]

How long would it take a "decent" PC/graphics card/mini-miner to mine enough BTC to pay the admission price?

I don't think you can just mine 20 quid's worth of Bitcoin. Think it would have to be a whole one, which now is apparently worth thousands and probably take a long time even with a top end PC.

I think it will lower the age profile as younger people more likely to already have BTC.  I don't know if this is the intention or whether it would be a good thing. The influx of younger members since the doors were opened seems to have led to new threads being opened covering old ground - but maybe new perspectives.

[Blackpool Rock]

I'm sure that the mods an admin are all over it, but just wondered whether in any registration process there is a strong recommendation to read the site rules first, a direct quote of rule one and a link to guide on writing reviews. 

Folks are generally supportive of noobs to the site, but you wonder whether the attitudes of some of the new year intake would be duplicated if new registrants felt entitled by having paid for the privileged of accessing the site. 

Thanks to those in charge though for taking all these new steps to safeguard the future of this resource.

I think it was covered off in one of the threads (possibly this one) that new members had been pointed in the direction of the rules etc so effectively given a bit of help finding out info on how the place is run and what's expected.

You are right though many don't appear to have read the rules but then with so many new members i'm surprised more weren't banned

[LLPunting]

... As much as you don't want to get involved with BTC, at some point you'll need to engage with digital currencies. It's the future, whether you like it or not.

I have no issue with crypto versions of established currencies, I have a huge problem with using a speculative instrument as a means of established-value payment resolution.
I don't want to find out that the "£1" I paid for Polos yesterday/last week/last year is now worth "£5" to whomever I passed it to.