2020/21 football season

[jimmymac]

How good he really is? Against the so called other big six clubs in the 7 seasons he's played in the premier league hes scored-
Man City-2
Man Utd-4
Chelsea-4
Liverpool-6
Arsenal-11
and against Leicester who should be considered a big six club, he's got 14.
So in 7 seasons against those clubs 41 goals almost six a season,pretty good against the top clubs.

Even Mo Salah, who so many people say is so much better than Kane has 23 goals against those clubs in 4 seasons with Liverpool in the premier league, so pretty similar records,yet Kane isn't really good is he?
I think we've seen how good he really is.

[The0neAnd0nly]

I think Kane is a fantastic striker personally one of the best and most deadliest finishers in the world. 2nd behind Lewandowski I'd say and just ahead of Haaland.

He's also added more to his game as some one else said, dropping deeper and playing a almost a quarterback role (similar to Rooney.)

I do get what Blackpool Rock is saying (probably not in the top 10 players in the world) but Kane creates a lot of his own chances and goals. So many times he's got a goal from nothing so I reckon in a team like Man City he'd get even more goals and plaudits.

I reckon it's time for him to move on. He needs to start winning trophies and doesn't want to become another Shearer (1x PL title.). If he stays in the PL reckon he will beat Big Als record but only if he goes to one of the Manchester clubs, he isn't suited to Liverpool.

[cideruk]

Personally i've never thought he was that good and a lot of his goals come from penalties and easy tap in's from goal hanging, bit like Lineker used to be, perhaps it's a Spurs thing 

Yep, he's decent but not brilliant. The fact all the big clubs aren't beating a path to Spur's door must say something.

If he had any real ambition he'd have left Spurs ages ago.

[ratedj]

Yep, he's decent but not brilliant. The fact all the big clubs aren't beating a path to Spur's door must say something.

If he had any real ambition he'd have left Spurs ages ago.

That's because Kane almost certainly has no interest in moving abroad. Clubs do their due diligence way in advance of stories being leaked to the press. From a personal standpoint, there's a number at the forefront of Kane's mind: 261. It's no coincidence that Chelsea, City and United are reported to holding the most interest. Cuurently, apart from PSG, no other club outside of the PL has the finances to conclude such a deal.

It's simply undeniable that Kane is world class, arguably the best natural finisher in the league. He's not what I'd call a classic 'number 9' but rather a 9-and-a-half. He's actually turned into one of the best passers in the league. As an overall striker, I believe only Lewandowski trumps him.

I also have no issue with him having been loyal to Tottenham for as long as he has been. He tried to win something with his boyhood club, but at the moment it seems not to be. When players attempt to be loyal they're referred to as unambitious; when they opt to leave for pastures new they're termed as money-grabbing, glory-hunting parasites.

[ratedj]

City don't need him but if he does go there I think his lack of all round talent will be found out

Out of interest, what exactly is it that you think he is lacking?

[Rick2468]

I think Kane is absolutely world class. He is an excellent finisher, really good at getting his shots off early to catch goalkeepers and defenders out. Scores consistently for Spurs and England. Football is a matter of opinion but really surprises me that people think that Kane is overrated.

[cideruk]

He tried to win something with his boyhood club

Arsenal ??

But hopefully that's Euro 2020 in the bag if he's so great.

[ratedj]

Arsenal ??

That's a good one 

[Blackpool Rock]

Arsenal ??

But hopefully that's Euro 2020 in the bag if he's so great.

I wouldn't bank on it, here's some highlights (or lowlights) of his Euro 2016 efforts 

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[Blackpool Rock]

I think Kane is a fantastic striker personally one of the best and most deadliest finishers in the world. 2nd behind Lewandowski I'd say and just ahead of Haaland.

He's also added more to his game as some one else said, dropping deeper and playing a almost a quarterback role (similar to Rooney.)

I do get what Blackpool Rock is saying (probably not in the top 10 players in the world) but Kane creates a lot of his own chances and goals. So many times he's got a goal from nothing so I reckon in a team like Man City he'd get even more goals and plaudits.

I reckon it's time for him to move on. He needs to start winning trophies and doesn't want to become another Shearer (1x PL title.). If he stays in the PL reckon he will beat Big Als record but only if he goes to one of the Manchester clubs, he isn't suited to Liverpool.

I will say that Kane does seem to link up and play very well with Son Heung-Min and they compliment each others game

Shearer was a true great all rounder and i'd pick him ahead of Kane any day 

[Blackpool Rock]

I think Kane is absolutely world class. He is an excellent finisher, really good at getting his shots off early to catch goalkeepers and defenders out. Scores consistently for Spurs and England. Football is a matter of opinion but really surprises me that people think that Kane is overrated.

Gareth Bale was the World class player they had before he left, I actually think Spurs could have won the Prem if he hadn't have jumped ship

[Blackpool Rock]

Cup final repeat tonight Chelsea Vs Leicester, listening on 5 Live and it sounds like a high tempo start, Chelsea just had a goal disallowed for offside.

The commentators did just say that if Chelsea finish outside the top 4 but win the CL then they still get a CL place next year by winning it, does that then mean that Liverpool don't get CL?

I know that was a possibility for 4th to not get CL but only if an English team won both the CL and Europa 

[Blackpool Rock]

Oh and again so much better to listen to a game with fans present 
Chelsea fans singing along pre match while their signature "Liquidator" tune rang out, classic

And another goal just ruled out for Chelsea, they seem to be bossing it tonight

[mr.bluesky]

Oh and again so much better to listen to a game with fans present 
Chelsea fans singing along pre match while their signature "Liquidator" tune rang out, classic

And another goal just ruled out for Chelsea, they seem to be bossing it tonight

Chelsea denied a certain penalty.  Doesn't seem to be their night tonight. 

[Blackpool Rock]

Chelsea denied a certain penalty.  Doesn't seem to be their night tonight. 

1-0 up straight after 2nd half kick off, probably what they deserve for all the effort in the 1st half

[mr.bluesky]

1-0 up straight after 2nd half kick off, probably what they deserve for all the effort in the 1st half

Jamie Vardy is wearing gloves IN MAY ffs. Big girls blouse. Should change is name to Jessie Vardy. 

[Blackpool Rock]

Blackpool have won the 1st leg of their League 1 play off 3-0 away to Oxford 

[Blackpool Rock]

Chelsea denied a certain penalty.  Doesn't seem to be their night tonight. 

Well VAR gave them the 2nd penalty and they scored it, justice 

[mr.bluesky]

1-0 up straight after 2nd half kick off, probably what they deserve for all the effort in the 1st half

Leicester give away a soft penalty. Now 2-0 to Chelsea. All one way traffic now. Surely they have this game in the bag . 

[Blackpool Rock]

Leicester give away a soft penalty. Now 2-0 to Chelsea. All one way traffic now. Surely they have this game in the bag . 

Sounds like Chelsea are taking their foot off the gas a bit, playing it safe and not killing the game off but slowing it down a bit

[Blackpool Rock]

Sounds like Chelsea are taking their foot off the gas a bit, playing it safe and not killing the game off but slowing it down a bit

He says and then Leicester score 

[Rick2468]

Well I previously said Leicester would just about hang on to top four place but now I'm not so sure. We are set for an exciting final day despite the title and relegation all being settled.

[Blackpool Rock]

Well I previously said Leicester would just about hang on to top four place but now I'm not so sure. We are set for an exciting final day despite the title and relegation all being settled.

Yeah feel a bit sorry for Leicester if they don't get CL as they have been in the top 4 places all season, since the 1st round of matches apparently.

It's out of their hands now if Liverpool win both their remaining matches then they will be top 4 however they struggled to beat an already relegated WBA and are away at Burnley tonight then at home to Palace on the final day.

However they seem to struggle against Burnley who set up to defend well then often get goals against Liverpool on the break and I think they stand a good chance of getting at least a draw tonight.

[king tarzan]

Yeah feel a bit sorry for Leicester if they don't get CL as they have been in the top 4 places all season, since the 1st round of matches apparently.

It's out of their hands now if Liverpool win both their remaining matches then they will be top 4 however they struggled to beat an already relegated WBA and are away at Burnley tonight then at home to Palace on the final day.

However they seem to struggle against Burnley who set up to defend well then often get goals against Liverpool on the break and I think they stand a good chance of getting at least a draw tonight.

Nothing is easy in top flight

[nwluvit]

Nothing is easy in top flight

Thats why the BIG 6 wanted an easy life in the ESL

[Gordon Bennett]

Crystal Palace have the 7th biggest wage bill in the prem. 10 players on over £60K per week, 3 on over £100K. They're having a clear out over summer though with lots of players out of contract so presumably they'll trim the wage bill. Given their outlay I'd say Hodgson's stint there was pretty underwhelming.

[Goldfinch]

Crystal Palace have the 7th biggest wage bill in the prem. 10 players on over £60K per week, 3 on over £100K. They're having a clear out over summer though with lots of players out of contract so presumably they'll trim the wage bill. Given their outlay I'd say Hodgson's stint there was pretty underwhelming.

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[WARSZAWA16]

Crystal Palace have the 7th biggest wage bill in the prem. 10 players on over £60K per week, 3 on over £100K. They're having a clear out over summer though with lots of players out of contract so presumably they'll trim the wage bill. Given their outlay I'd say Hodgson's stint there was pretty underwhelming.

They are planning on building a new main stand too.

[cideruk]

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Fulham, ouch

Presume they will have reductions if relegated written into contracts

[mr.bluesky]

Fulham, ouch

Presume they will have reductions if relegated written into contracts

With the parachute payment they receive they will probably bounce straight back like Norwich and Watford have done. Bournemouth will probably join them by winning the play offs.

[mr.bluesky]

Villa with nothing to play for are making the most of Spurs comical defending 2-1 up. Spurs fans booing the team off at half time  No wonder Harry Kane wants to leave

[Gordon Bennett]

Several of those Fulham players are on loan and will immediately be off the books. Their outlay on transfers has been reasonable too.

Paarachute money is slowly destroying all genuine competition in the prem. It's hilarious to hear all the outrage about the "uncompetitive closed shop" super league with no relegation yet the prem is barely any different. The prem is rapidly becoming a 23-team closed shop where 3 of those teams occasionally have a quick dip into EFL for a season. It didn't used to be so bad but the rise in foreign TV money in past couple of seasons has really exacerbated the gap.
Next season in the Championship Fulham, WBA and Sheff UTD will have around £60 million TV income, Huddersfield will have around £18 million and the other 18 teams £5 million apiece.... talk about fighting with one hand tied behind your back.

[mr.bluesky]

Several of those Fulham players are on loan and will immediately be off the books. Their outlay on transfers has been reasonable too.

Paarachute money is slowly destroying all genuine competition in the prem. It's hilarious to hear all the outrage about the "uncompetitive closed shop" super league with no relegation yet the prem is barely any different. The prem is rapidly becoming a 23-team closed shop where 3 of those teams occasionally have a quick dip into EFL for a season. It didn't used to be so bad but the rise in foreign TV money in past couple of seasons has really exacerbated the gap.
Next season in the Championship Fulham, WBA and Sheff UTD will have around £60 million TV income, Huddersfield will have around £18 million and the other 18 teams £5 million apiece.... talk about fighting with one hand tied behind your back.

I remember when they got relegated a couple of seasons ago( 2018/19) they had spent millions on the team. Most of them poor value for money.  I hope they stick with Scott Parker as manager though.

[Blackpool Rock]

Villa with nothing to play for are making the most of Spurs comical defending 2-1 up. Spurs fans booing the team off at half time  No wonder Harry Kane wants to leave

Spurs lose 2-1 and get booed off at full time too, where was their Big Game player Kane tonight then     

They can't finish top 4 now, commentators also just pointed out that Arsenal are winning and if they can hold onto it they will only be a point behind Spurs so could leapfrog them depending on the weekend results, and Arsenal have been crap all season by most peoples reckoning

[ratedj]

Spurs lose 2-1 and get booed off at full time too, where was their Big Game player Kane tonight then     

It might just be me but I don't understand the meaning of this statement.

[cideruk]

They can't finish top 4 now, commentators also just pointed out that Arsenal are winning and if they can hold onto it they will only be a point behind Spurs so could leapfrog them depending on the weekend results, and Arsenal have been crap all season by most peoples reckoning

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[Stretfordender]

It might just be me but I don't understand the meaning of this statement.

It means he now feels justified in saying Kane isnt any good

[martini2429]

So it's Chelsea, Liverpool and Leicester fighting it out for 3rd, 4th and 5th

West Ham, Spurs and Everton fighting for 6th and 7th, but if Everton and Spurs don't win then Arsenal can sneak into 7th with a win

Chelsea away at Villa
Liverpool home to Palace
Leicester home to Spurs
West Ham home to Southampton
Everton away to Man City
Arsenal home to Brighton

So where is your money at, who will finish where

I have a feeling that Chelsea will play safe and not put out their strongest team, with the Champions league Final looming which may be a mistake, Villa v Chelsea Draw
Liverpool will go strong and I see them winning
Leicester and Spurs I think will be a draw
West Ham to beat Southampton
Everton lose to Man City
Arsenal to beat Brighton

Liverpool finish 3rd
Chelsea 4th
Leicester 5th
West Ham 6th
Arsenal 7th
Spurs and Everton miss out on Europe

Whatever happens it is going to be interesting, which game to watch on Sunday afternoon

 

[ratedj]

It means he now feels justified in saying Kane isnt any good

To be honest I did sense the meaning behind the statement, but it is an extremely strange logic to apply.

[webpunter]

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So fans buy tickets forever ago
With reduced capacity there will the problem of allocating tickets between those people who have bought them
However what the cunts @ UEFA do is cancel loads of the cheaper tickets & issue refunds
To then resell
One of the quotes:

"Good to know there's plenty of availability on hospitality for #England vs #Scotland #EURO2020  #Euro2021
when my £50 tickets have just been cancelled
It's only an extra 1850 Euros, and comes with free prawn sandwiches no doubt"
Hits the nail on the head

So Boris The Buffoon [BTB] wants to secure political brownie points by being against the not-so Super League
& what he & his Govt are going to do to stop it
His ministers come up with shite, when clearly they know fuck all about footy
You can see them [the ministers] when they were younsgters, being last to be picked for the sides on lunchtime kick arounds @ school
Coz they are worse than useless, playing footy & being even more crap in Govt
The question is will BTB make any comment about UEFA becoming football's Viagogo ?  I very much doubt it 

[mr.bluesky]

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So fans buy tickets forever ago
With reduced capacity there will the problem of allocating tickets between those people who have bought them
However what the cunts @ UEFA do is cancel loads of the cheaper tickets & issue refunds
To then resell
One of the quotes:

"Good to know there's plenty of availability on hospitality for #England vs #Scotland #EURO2020  #Euro2021
when my £50 tickets have just been cancelled
It's only an extra 1850 Euros, and comes with free prawn sandwiches no doubt"
Hits the nail on the head

So Boris The Buffoon [BTB] wants to secure political brownie points by being against the not-so Super League
& what he & his Govt are going to do to stop it
His ministers come up with shite, when clearly they know fuck all about footy
You can see them [the ministers] when they were younsgters, being last to be picked for the sides on lunchtime kick arounds @ school
Coz they are worse than useless, playing footy & being even more crap in Govt
The question is will BTB make any comment about UEFA becoming football's Viagogo ?  I very much doubt it

Not surprising considering the crooks EUFA are. What's the betting that a lot of tickets will find their way to the usual ticket touts and spivs to make a killing.   

[hermanmunster]

Sadly it looks as though Leicester and West Ham will both miss out on the Champions League.  It would have been nice to only see 2 of the 6 ESL clubs in our top 4.  Hopefully next year?

[Blackpool Rock]

To be honest I did sense the meaning behind the statement, but it is an extremely strange logic to apply.

Surely it's stranger to say you don't understand the statement when you actually do 

And in fairness I never said he wasn't any good I said in my opinion he's over rated or not as good as a lot of people make him out to be, it's an opinion and with all opinions others are free to disagree as you and others have however there are others who have also said they don't think he's as good as people make out
The way people were previously posting implied he was St Harry who would / could pull it out of the bag whenever it was needed, well it was needed against Villa but he didn't 

[mr.bluesky]

Surely it's stranger to say you don't understand the statement when you actually do 

And in fairness I never said he wasn't any good I said in my opinion he's over rated or not as good as a lot of people make him out to be, it's an opinion and with all opinions others are free to disagree as you and others have however there are others who have also said they don't think he's as good as people make out
The way people were previously posting implied he was St Harry who would / could pull it out of the bag whenever it was needed, well it was needed against Villa but he didn't 

I always felt the same about Wayne Rooney as an England player. I know he's England's top goalscorer but he never really delivered when it mattered on the big stage at major tournaments.  To be classed as a truly great player like Christiano Ronaldo , Pele and Maradona you have to influence the games Rooney never did this. I think Harry Kane will be same.

[The0neAnd0nly]

I always felt the same about Wayne Rooney as an England player. I know he's England's top goalscorer but he never really delivered when it mattered on the big stage at major tournaments.  To be classed as a truly great player like Christiano Ronaldo , Pele and Maradona you have to influence the games Rooney never did this. I think Harry Kane will be same.

Agree about Rooney. Definitely a case of unfulfilled potential. Apart from Euro 2004 when he looked world class before getting injured. He played in some fantastic teams but was rarely the best player so although he was fantastic in patches he was never in the conversation of top 5 best players at any time.

With Kane it's different as he hasn't played in a top top team surrounded by talent. I've no doubt that if Kane signs for Man U or Man City he'd be better then Rooney was. By the way I was a big Rooney fan when he was a raw angry Scouser swearing at refs and smashing volleys in 👍

[The0neAnd0nly]

Case in point, I feel like his raw ability was neutered a little when he was managed to try control it more. Big respect to him being Englands all time top scorer but could have been so much more

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[ratedj]

Surely it's stranger to say you don't understand the statement when you actually do 

And in fairness I never said he wasn't any good I said in my opinion he's over rated or not as good as a lot of people make him out to be, it's an opinion and with all opinions others are free to disagree as you and others have however there are others who have also said they don't think he's as good as people make out
The way people were previously posting implied he was St Harry who would / could pull it out of the bag whenever it was needed, well it was needed against Villa but he didn't 

Everyone is of course entitled to an opinion, but an opinion will always hold more weight when it's backed up by logic. For instance, you previously said, 'I think his lack of all round talent will be found out' should he join City, so it would be interesting if you could expand upon what aspects of his game you believe he is missing. I don't like speaking for others, but I don't think anyone has implied that Kane can pull it out of the bag whenever it was needed, as football does not quite work like that, but rather that he is world class. His record speaks for itself. More often than not he has been extremely productive, with his 22 goals and 13 assists a league best. 

[hermanmunster]

I don't think Harry Kane is the most naturally talented footballer, nor he is particularly exciting to watch.  But he does have a fantastic reading of the game which makes him valued very highly in the inner echelons of the team (and it's management).  This also gives him the ability to be in the right place at the right time to score goals and assist.  This will also make him able to fit into many different teams (with different playing styles).

[ratedj]

I don't think Harry Kane is the most naturally talented footballer, nor he is particularly exciting to watch.  But he does have a fantastic reading of the game which makes him valued very highly in the inner echelons of the team (and it's management).  This also gives him the ability to be in the right place at the right time to score goals and assist.  This will also make him able to fit into many different teams (with different playing styles).

I completely agree with you. He is far from the most naturally talented footballer. I remember first watching him during a FIFA U20 World Cup, where he looked terrible. I, probably like many, thought he would be a one-hit wonder, but then it quickly became apparent that he was not going anywhere. In many ways he reminds me of Raul, who, like Kane, did not have any outstanding physical attributes, but he had just enough of everything that, when combined, alongside football IQ, produced a top quality football.

[Gordon Bennett]

I always felt the same about Wayne Rooney as an England player. I know he's England's top goalscorer but he never really delivered when it mattered on the big stage at major tournaments.  To be classed as a truly great player like Christiano Ronaldo , Pele and Maradona you have to influence the games Rooney never did this. I think Harry Kane will be same.

I don't buy this world stage stuff. Firstly, players like Giggs or Drogba are unable to shine at international level purely because of their nationality. Secondly, and with reference to England, the national team serially underperforms at tournament level. I don't mean in terms of winning cups - I mean just playing well. My impression of watching England at tournaments over decades is that the coach/manager inserts broomsticks up their arses before every game and threatens to execute anyone who passes the ball forwards. I feel it's impossible for likes of Rooney to flourish in these circumstances. I'm expecting same-old-same-old from England in upcoming Euros too..... The Blazer Southgate is probably busy greasing up his broomsticks as I type.