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Offline AnthG

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Like I've told you many times, if you post inflammatory things, do not get upset when people respond in kind.

Anyone that has a different view to you is trolling. You are a funny chap.

So the lists and lists of people who have said you've forced them off the forum, got them banned for literally nothing. Are all what...And we are talking upwards of around 50 people.

Let me spell this out to you now. You are not a moderator. you do not run these forums, you are not the Sheriff of the forums. To quote the admin of another forum who seen what you were doing "you are a snake". Nobody likes what you are doing.

If someone posts something you do not like. Click the report button. And let the mods deal with it. Don't follow them around derailing their topics trying to get them banned. As that is called.....Being a troll.....
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Take you rose coloured glasses off mate. Your general attitude is you complain about people trolling threads yet support the biggest offender on this site, what happens elsewhere stays there BTW.

Read the reviews that were turned into tax issues and even demands that private information and VAT numbers of the companies behind the agencies be posted in public.   :dash:

On your second point, that is where you and I differ, there's nothing wrong with anyone posting in any region they choose, what is wrong is the continued derailing of threads for an individual's own agenda. A thing that, unfortunately, happens all too often.

The regional debate is a silly one in my view. I work all over the country and punt everywhere.

If people limit themselves to a region, that's their problem. We don't all have those limitations.

Offline Belgarion

So the lists and lists of people who have said you've forced them off the forum, got them banned for literally nothing. Are all what...And we are talking upwards of around 50 people.

Let me spell this out to you now. You are not a moderator. you do not run these forums, you are not the Sheriff of the forums. To quote the admin of another forum who seen what you were doing "you are a snake". Nobody likes what you are doing.

If someone posts something you do not like. Click the report button. And thet the mods deal with it. Don't follow them around derailing their topics trying to get them banned.

Dude, I have not chased anyone off any forum. I'm a mirror, you treat me with decency and respect and I do the same. If you act the fool, I will stoop down to your level.

The great thing about me is that I do not pretend to be something I'm not. I am what i am.

I read all topics and comment on them. When people say stupid things and make broad generalisations, they open themselves up to reactions.

You do this a lot, so I'm surprised you think people follow you around.

The funny thing is with your last effort, I commented on the thread thinking someone was mocking you, to stop them doing it.

Only for me to find out it was you.

If Griffin thinks I'm a bad person, that's a good thing as he was an undesirable and took liberties with escorts during photoshoots.

Maybe if you stepped out of your region you would have seen the numerous complaints.

As for the other site, I won't be surprised that a lot of those reviews were written by the same person.

One even wrote a review there in my name slating UKP and I alerted the mods here.

I'm a simple man and live by a simple philosophy. Don't fuck with me and I won't fuck with you.

You've been more abusive to me than I've ever been to you, but I'm the bad guy.

Sounds legit  :thumbsup:

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Take you rose coloured glasses off mate. Your general attitude is you complain about people trolling threads yet support the biggest offender on this site, what happens elsewhere stays there BTW.

Yes, I may have rose-tinted glasses towards him from early days.

However, James may talk rubbish about VAT but he doesn't try and twist peoples posts into something sinister just to purposefully kick off an argument to try and get them banned. That is the sickest thing someone can do. And what someone else is very well known for doing.

And this is not just crazy delusional Anth. There are about 50 people who've said this person does this to them too.

Dude, I have not chased anyone off any forum. I'm a mirror, you treat me with decency and respect and I do the same. If you act the fool, I will stoop down to your level.

Yep, everyone is lying just to bad mouth you, with all the same lie....It must be awful being you eh. All these people making up these lies, the exact same one about you....

Maybe if you stepped out of your region you would have seen the numerous complaints.....I'm a simple man and live by a simple philosophy. Don't fuck with me and I won't fuck with you.

Sounds legit  :thumbsup:

How can I "fuck with you" when I stay all the time in the north east section. Where I live and punt. And purposefully avoid your posts. You however come into the north east section and demand the right to respond and shit stirr to all of my posts.

And when I politely ask you not to do it. You talk about rights to post anywhere you want - Which just happens to be the defacto statement internet trolls use...
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Offline Belgarion

Yes, I may have rose-tinted glasses towards him from early days.

However, James may talk rubbish about VAT but he doesn't try and twist peoples posts into something sinister just to purposefully kick off an argument to try and get them banned. That is the sickest thing someone can do. And what someone else is very well known for doing.

And this is not just crazy delusional Anth. There are about 50 people who've said this person does this to them too.

50? I thought it was 30?

I know you've written a couple as you spell my name a particular way, I also know Griffin wrote a few.

So when you get down to it, it's banned people writing bad things about me.

I would be more concerned if decent people were doing it.

Offline Belgarion

Yes, I may have rose-tinted glasses towards him from early days.

However, James may talk rubbish about VAT but he doesn't try and twist peoples posts into something sinister just to purposefully kick off an argument to try and get them banned. That is the sickest thing someone can do. And what someone else is very well known for doing.

And this is not just crazy delusional Anth. There are about 50 people who've said this person does this to them too.

Yep, everyone is lying just to bad mouth you, with all the same lie....It must be awful being you eh. All these people making up these lies, the exact same one about you....

How can I "fuck with you" when I stay all the time in the north east section. Where I live and punt. And purposefully avoid your posts. You however come into the north east section and demand the right to respond and shit stirr to all of my posts.

And when I politely ask you not to do it. You talk about rights to post anywhere you want - Which just happens to be the defacto statement internet trolls use...

I thought you were a great believer in Free Speech? Why do you not want me to respond to your inflammatory posts?

If you post controversial topics and statements, people will respond.

I don't want to go over this again, but I'm not the only one that responds to your posts.

You seem to have a huge hard on for me though.

Some may say that the person posting the inflammatory stuff is the troll.

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He stormed off because too many of us had his number and he couldn't take it, :rolleyes: resorting to calling us all trolls or lefties or some such shite. :rolleyes: I note Anth said is a respected punter I can confirm I lost my respect for him which he obviously couldn't give a shit about years ago when he started to post that ALL WGs who charged under £100 an hour were skanks, totally disproven shite, and he disproved it himself in 1 of his own positive reviews where the WG charged him £80 an hour. :rolleyes: He also labelled some punters "cheapo charlies" for punting at a low to him price, all they actually did was punt with a WG who charged that rate which they paid. If I recall correctly he thought she was charging too little so advised her to charge more which she did but keep him on the old rate, which she didn't do. :rolleyes:

For me the big difference between redcab and other ex-punters on here is he holds the above views AND crucually has posted them in the past, the skank thing is total bollocks and you and me and loads of us on here who actually punt, though not during this virus know it from vast experience. What makes a good and bad WG is her attitude not what she charges, redcab for years also believed and posted this truth. I had 3 good regulars up till lockdown who all charged me £90 an hour and all 3 offered me a good service, all 3 also have mainly positive reviews on here. I have no problem with ex-punters posting on here though its not up to me of course, I do have a problem with anyone who posts untrue shite On-Topic about punting.

Obviously, if you’re a cabby that probably doesn’t pay taxes  :unknown:

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I thought you were a great believer in Free Speech? Why do you not want me to respond to your inflammatory posts?

So your honest intentions are to debate my posts?

Isn't that strange. You come along, twisting my post. Making it sound so offensive. I reply in detail to your post and you, every single time, post up a JPEG of a laughing man saying ...TLDR

That's, the other thing trolls are well known for doing............

Everything you do screams sinsiter trolling. You have that TLDR Jpeg saved on your desktop or something as you pull it out everytime. When you downloaded it, did you not read it's title as "forum trolling jpeg"
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Offline Belgarion

So your honest intentions are to debate my posts?

Isn't that strange. You come along, twisting my post. Making it sound so offensive. I reply in detail to your post and you, every single time, post up a JPEG of a laughing man saying ...TLDR

That's, the other thing trolls are well known for doing............

Everything you do screams sinsiter trolling. You have that TLDR Jpeg saved on your desktop or something as you pull it out everytime. When you downloaded it, did you not read it's title as "forum trolling jpeg"

The post where I put the TLDR was the post were you called me a cunt and other abusive terms

I didn't respond in kind. Once again.

Yet, I'm the bad guy

Offline Ozy84

Like I said above, I honestly don't know what JRC did. I was on a break from the forums whenever what happened took place.

Well stop playing the convenient card and go and fuckin find out. You clearly got fuck all to do all day, go and have a read and find out and then comment.


Offline Ozy84

I have said this a bunch of times, but those who have just joined may not appreciate it. This forum for the first couple of years largely consisted of about 20 of us posting throughout the whole forum. It wasn't really until the end of 2012 where it exploded in popularity.

As a result, you developed good online friendships with people - or I did at least. I enjoyed coming here and I enjoyed reading the posts of the original team of members; Nik, KingNuts, Jamess999, Marmalade, Matium, JRC, Cactus, Ali-Katt etc.

It's the same now with the northeast section. I enjoy posting in the northeast section as I enjoy chatting with the NE crew.

Why dont you all meet up at a Dementia cafe or a day care centre every month for a catch up? It could be a different region every time. Have a right ol go and chat about old times. Freedom pass could help otherwise Jimbo might still have a cab in the back of his garden  :hi:

Offline NIK

Although I came to detest James 999, I can’t believe I would like to see him back, if only for a short while to show our woke warriors (who incidentally, like their hypocritical fellows in the wider world, far from being liberal are actually a load of abusive bullies) to show them what a real ‘racist’ looks like.
Never mind non white people, James didn’t like Scots or northerners. He also didn’t rate women, prossies in particular, socialists or public service employees or indeed the entire working class. In fact he didn’t really like anyone. It would have been fun to see him squaring off against the extreme left wingers who have taken over this forum. One thing is certain he would always have the last word.

Incidentally, Anth is spot on re King Nuts. His posts are far more interesting and measured than the joyless and routinely abusive from those ‘liberals’  :rolleyes: who oppose his being here.

It must actually be weird being a so called liberal. You are supposed to love everyone, hope not hate and all the rest of the libtard bollocks, whilst in reality you have a massive list of hate figures and you are always ready to dish out hateful abuse at the drop of a hat.  :unknown:


Offline King Nuts

Why dont you all meet up at a Dementia cafe or a day care centre every month for a catch up? It could be a different region every time. Have a right ol go and chat about old times. Freedom pass could help otherwise Jimbo might still have a cab in the back of his garden  :hi:

You really are quite hilarious.

Tell you what. Me, NIK, and Anth will do that, and you, Beamer, Scutty and that paragon of intellect Belgarion can all meet at the Bozo Diner. You can each have the conch for two minutes, shout 'fuck' and 'cunt' as much as you like, and then, having felt much better and let out more than a few farts (hey, you're amongst friends, right?) you can retire for the night to your park bench.

Deal?
 

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Well this, purely advisory, poll has now closed. Time to wait for the decision.

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It must actually be weird being a so called liberal. You are supposed to love everyone, hope not hate and all the rest of the libtard bollocks, whilst in reality you have a massive list of hate figures and you are always ready to dish out hateful abuse at the drop of a hat.  :unknown:

It's one of the great ironies of the modern world, NIK.

But irony just goes.....whooosh... over the heads of those fuckers.

You gotta laugh.



Offline Chorley

Guys, at the end of the day this is a paid for sex forum.

Is it really worth all this venom - from both sides--when we all should be sticking together, given the contempt wider society holds us in?

Just a thought?  :unknown:

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Guys, at the end of the day this is a paid for sex forum.

Is it really worth all this venom - from both sides--when we all should be sticking together, given the contempt wider society holds us in?

Just a thought?  :unknown:

I'd agree but several of the antogonists don't even punt and others promote a set of extremists who view sex buyers as just below nonces.

Offline NIK

It's one of the great ironies of the modern world, NIK.

But irony just goes.....whooosh... over the heads of those fuckers.

You gotta laugh.


Yes, even Richard Littlejohn says he doesn’t know where to begin these days and reality is crazier than anything he could dream up.

One of the latest wheezes is a Devon council have removed signs saying ‘dog fouling matters’ and apologised for causing ‘offence’ as one  :wackogirl: complained it was offensive to the BLM movement, even though the signs had been up for eighteen months.
Apparently John Wayne is next for the chop.

Never mind, our would be masters here keep reminding us the world has moved on and THAT IS A GOOD THING! After all, who wouldn’t want to live in a world where you can sport designer stubble and claim you identify as a female, as one  :wackogirl: did on my regional tv the other day.
Keep smiling and don’t let the buggers grind you down.  :P
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Offline King Nuts

Guys, at the end of the day this is a paid for sex forum.

Is it really worth all this venom - from both sides--when we all should be sticking together, given the contempt wider society holds us in?

Just a thought?  :unknown:

666 posts on this thread so far. (Ooh err)

Go back and see where the 'venom' comes from.


Offline NIK

666 posts on this thread so far. (Ooh err)

Go back and see where the 'venom' comes from.

Much of it seems to be directed at Anth.
But I expect the delightful Mr Brown will be along soon to hurl some at me.  :cry:

Offline NIK

Has ‘extremist’ become their fave go to word ousting RAY-CIST?
Surely not?  :scare:

Offline Chorley

666 posts on this thread so far. (Ooh err)

Go back and see where the 'venom' comes from.
I'm.talking about both sides KN. Surely we all have a common purpose as to why we  joined this forum.?  :unknown:
And surely members can work out their differences or perhaps step away from their keyboards and venture out into the real world?  :unknown:

Offline King Nuts

I'm.talking about both sides KN. Surely we all have a common purpose as to why we  joined this forum.?  :unknown:
And surely members can work out their differences or perhaps step away from their keyboards and venture out into the real world?  :unknown:

Indeed.

Go back over just the last two or three pages of this thread to see where most of the antagonism comes from.

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Having more restrictions simply increases the mods workload. Also banning politics would kill off-topic anyway.
Not really.  We could talk about stripper bars, sex with civvies, hot girls we saw in the bar and so on.  Politics is what makes off topic annoying for anyone who is of the wrong wing or no wing.

And in the old days, there was one owner doing it all.  Today:The mods can sort it out fast. Most members support this forum's policies and wont post too much politics if it is banned.

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Much of it seems to be directed at Anth.
But I expect the delightful Mr Brown will be along soon to hurl some at me.  :cry:

Sorry to disappoint but I have better things to do at the moment than indulge in irrelevances like you.
You don't punt, you post repetitive semi-coherent drivel, why should I bother to entertain you?

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Indeed.

Go back over just the last two or three pages of this thread to see where most of the antagonism comes from.

Mainly from people who've not punted in years
King Nuts last review March 2015
Nik last review August 2018
Jimmyredcab April 2018, and there was a three year gap before that. He only posted this review to avoid getting kicked off OT

This is a punting forum isn't it?

Offline Ozy84

You really are quite hilarious.

Tell you what. Me, NIK, and Anth will do that, and you, Beamer, Scutty and that paragon of intellect Belgarion can all meet at the Bozo Diner. You can each have the conch for two minutes, shout 'fuck' and 'cunt' as much as you like, and then, having felt much better and let out more than a few farts (hey, you're amongst friends, right?) you can retire for the night to your park bench.

Deal?

 :D

Don’t know any of the members you mention nor do i comment on their threads of hold similiar views but could be a laugh in a few years!

Only having a bubble KN, don’t take it personally

 :drinks:
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Offline NIK

Sorry to disappoint but I have better things to do at the moment than indulge in irrelevances like you.
You don't punt, you post repetitive semi-coherent drivel, why should I bother to entertain you?

Glad to see you think I am an irrelevance. Maybe you will now ignore me. As I would have ignored you when you were not just an irrelevance, but unknown to me before you began hurling your vitriol at me.

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Mainly from people who've not punted in years
King Nuts last review March 2015


All true.

But at least I make up for it by being wittier, more amusing and almost certainly better looking than most on here.


Offline King Nuts

:D

Don’t know any of the members you mention nor do i comment on their threads of hold similiar views but could be a laugh in a few years!

Only having a bubble KN, don’t take it personally

 :drinks:

I don't take any of it personally.

But I'll have a 'bubble KN', if you're going to the bar.

Offline King Nuts

Sorry to disappoint but I have better things to do at the moment than indulge in irrelevances like you.
You don't punt, you post repetitive semi-coherent drivel, why should I bother to entertain you?

But by posting this, you ARE indulging him.


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Yes, I may have rose-tinted glasses towards him from early days.

However, James may talk rubbish about VAT but he doesn't try and twist peoples posts into something sinister just to purposefully kick off an argument to try and get them banned. That is the sickest thing someone can do. And what someone else is very well known for doing.


I take it you never read his constant trolling of GymFitBex then? It took mod/admin intervention to put a stop to it.


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All true.

But at least I make up for it by being wittier, more amusing and almost certainly better looking than most on here.

Only in your wet dreams

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Only in your wet dreams

You don't quite get this 'banter' thing, do you.

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I take it you never read his constant trolling of GymFitBex then? It took mod/admin intervention to put a stop to it.

There is long multifaceted history there between them two though. And not just the free punt competition he setup.

But if he stopped after being advised by mods/admin to stop this also shows he would have stopped with the North East posts that people had issues with.
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But by posting this, you ARE indulging him.

Yes, but I considered the possibility of him realising that as minimal.

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You don't quite get this 'banter' thing, do you.

I do, but just not when its used to distract or defray from an argument

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Ironically enough, non-punters hanging around and returning to post on this thread is a bit like those ex-pats on the Costa del Sol voting Tory/Leave by post.  Turned their backs years ago but still feel the need to weigh in.

Offline Squire Haggard

Although I came to detest James 999, I can’t believe I would like to see him back, if only for a short while to show our woke warriors (who incidentally, like their hypocritical fellows in the wider world, far from being liberal are actually a load of abusive bullies) to show them what a real ‘racist’ looks like.
Never mind non white people, James didn’t like Scots or northerners. He also didn’t rate women, prossies in particular, socialists or public service employees or indeed the entire working class. In fact he didn’t really like anyone. It would have been fun to see him squaring off against the extreme left wingers who have taken over this forum. One thing is certain he would always have the last word.

I thought that he was as unfunny and annoying as a persistent omnipresent bluebottle. :)

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Ironically enough, non-punters hanging around and returning to post on this thread is a bit like those ex-pats on the Costa del Sol voting Tory/Leave by post.  Turned their backs years ago but still feel the need to weigh in.

+1

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I thought that he was as unfunny and annoying as a persistent omnipresent bluebottle. :)

I would agree with you, but some people thought he was hilarious.
I suppose I only long for his return in preference to our joyless woke warriors.
It comes to something when I wish for him to return.   :blush:


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There is long multifaceted history there between them two though. And not just the free punt competition he setup.

But if he stopped after being advised by mods/admin to stop this also shows he would have stopped with the North East posts that people had issues with.
Can you give me your opinion on these posts by J999 as to me it looks very much how trolls behave, post what they think will get the biggest reaction in the area they post it in.

From a negative NW review.
Of course it's her fault, the "agency" work for her and take bookings to suit her, she clearly wants back to back bookings without even a short break to wash off the previous clients spunk  :vomit:
From a neutral NE review for a premium girl
The facts confirm otherwise, it was confirmed on another girl you saw her ID and then claimed she was one of your many "19 and new to the industry" knowing this not to be true and that she was 23, and worked loads before, even confirmed as incorrect by your moderator friend.

And as for the girls controlling their own client stream, there are numerous threads on here that confirm that is not true and you pressure the girls to take back to back bookings on an incall basis to maximise your income

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Can you give me your opinion on these posts by J999 as to me it looks very much how trolls behave, post what they think will get the biggest reaction in the area they post it in.

From a negative NW review.From a neutral NE review for a premium girl

I had a long post typed out there. But I realized, I think I am probably biased when it comes to him. So I would probably be the worst person to ask.

Therefore those topics you linked to Scutty and Finn were posting alongside him, effectively the exact same thing as him in them too. So I am curious if they could be the ones to give their opinions on James and his posts? Scutty has been reading the topic, but I am not sure about Finn. Finn is one of the old school members who has been here since the start so he would know James very well. Is there a way he could be nudged about the existence of this topic?
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I had a long post typed out there. But I realized, I think I am probably biased when it comes to him. So I would probably be the worst person to ask.
I asked you because of this -
I have never once had a problem with James in 10 years of being a member. These claims of him being a troll. I never personally seen it. He was always fine with me, everytime.
Yes Scutty and Finn were posting on the same thread, but they are still here whilst you are continually white knighting James. You claim to have never seen him trolling well I'm asking you directly, are those posts not trolling.

One member stated he had 2 reviews to post but had changed his mind due to the agro, he never did post them.

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Can you give me your opinion on these posts by J999 as to me it looks very much how trolls behave, post what they think will get the biggest reaction in the area they post it in.

From a negative NW review.From a neutral NE review for a premium girl

I don't know the background to these quotes but my view is pimp scum do control their WGs bookings, that's what pimps do and loads of WGs do do back-to-back bookings and if they work for a pimp it may well suit both the WG and pimp to do so. The WG is then making the money back she has agreed to hand over to the pimp. And loads of pimps are low life liars, and every pimp is a piece of human sewage in my experience, it takes a special type of person to be a pimp, and not a pleasant person as I have discovered over many years. And ex-WGs who become pimps are the same, leeching off WGs to make a buck as they cant make as much money legally.

 A great pity in my opinion that the police don't do their job and enforce the law and at least nick the obvious pimps who run brothels, and even more so in my area of London during this virus. Fuck knows how many people WGs and punters and those they have had contact with or will have contact with have been infected by this virus due to punting in a brothel allowed to operate by the police.

Pimps like white knight fanboys pollute punting in my book. :thumbsdown: :thumbsdown: :thumbsdown:

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I think that is the problem right there summed up perfectly.

Those people in the northeast will never understand how people from other regions don't like agencies.
And those people from outside the northeast will likely never understand how people from inside the northeast like them

The only North East punter I remember seeing say they dislike agencies was Durham Lad. The rest see their benefit and happily use them.

At the same time, I cannot remember ever seeing any non-north east punter on here say they like agencies. It just seems to be a north east thing that we like them. I honestly love them I think they are great. People from outside the NE probably think I am insane for thinking that way. James was therefore just saying what the masses from outside the NE think.
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I don't know the background to these quotes but my view is pimp scum do control their WGs bookings, that's what pimps do and loads of WGs do do back-to-back bookings and if they work for a pimp it may well suit both the WG and pimp to do so. The WG is then making the money back she has agreed to hand over to the pimp. And loads of pimps are low life liars, and every pimp is a piece of human sewage in my experience, it takes a special type of person to be a pimp, and not a pleasant person as I have discovered over many years. And ex-WGs who become pimps are the same, leeching off WGs to make a buck as they cant make as much money legally.

 A great pity in my opinion that the police don't do their job and enforce the law and at least nick the obvious pimps who run brothels, and even more so in my area of London during this virus. Fuck knows how many people WGs and punters and those they have had contact with or will have contact with have been infected by this virus due to punting in a brothel allowed to operate by the police.

Pimps like white knight fanboys pollute punting in my book. :thumbsdown: :thumbsdown: :thumbsdown:
The discussion wasn't supposed to be about anyone's opinion of pimps, the point I am trying to get over to Anth is that just because someone is, or was, a longstanding member it doesn't mean they are good for the site and would benefit the site if they returned.

On the threads I quoted James blamed the girl not the pimps on one because that would get the biggest reaction, then on the other he blamed the pimps not the girl because that would get the biggest reaction there. That to me is trolling. I have asked Anth for his opinion but he just seems to want to deflect away from answering.
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On the threads I quoted James blamed the girl on one because that would get the biggest reaction, then on the other he blamed the pimps because that would get the biggest reaction there. That to me is trolling. I have asked Anth for his opinion but he just seems to want to deflect away from answering.

It wasn't deflection. I completely did not twig on to that one. It's interesting now you pointed it out though. I can see why you were asking.

It would have been interesting to ask him why he chose to do this to see what he says.
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