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Offline Davey Dykes

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Just incase you haven't looked at the relevant thread.

New Rules for the Off Topic Board:

1. No Religion.
2. Any racism and you’ll get a one strike and you’re out Ban.

Admin / Mods decision is final.

https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=276446.0
« Last Edit: June 11, 2020, 02:28:23 pm by Head1 »

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Offline Chorley

+1
+3 I hope it'll stop the deliberately inflammatory  threads being started up? :thumbsup:

Offline The Owl

About time.

#1 fucking million. The old off topic section sometimes felt like the The National Front/Britain First message board.

Offline Beamer

#1 fucking million. The old off topic section sometimes felt like the The National Front/Britain First message board.

Sums it up nicely.

Offline Blackpool Rock

I guess this will probably piss off half a dozen members but is welcome by the rest of us, the amount of toxic topics being started in the last few weeks was getting stupid

Offline David1970

I guess this will probably piss off half a dozen members but is welcome by the rest of us, the amount of toxic topics being started in the last few weeks was getting stupid

There have been quite a few incendiary threads started, hoping to get a reaction, I must admit to reacting to the threads, but I have reframed lately from reacting to them. The best thing is to ignore the very few members who are starting theses incendiary threads.

Offline Chorley

There have been quite a few incendiary threads started, hoping to get a reaction, I must admit to reacting to the threads, but I have reframed lately from reacting to them. The best thing is to ignore the very few members who are starting theses incendiary threads.
I dont bother to look at or engage with those threaads anymore. When things get back to normal the usual suspects will disappear back into the woodwork as they don't really contribute to the punting side of the forum anyway.  :unknown:

Offline Beamer

There have been quite a few incendiary threads started, hoping to get a reaction, I must admit to reacting to the threads, but I have reframed lately from reacting to them. The best thing is to ignore the very few members who are starting theses incendiary threads.

The toxic threads created by the minority simply stopped a lot of members from participating. 
I have to say that I was not aware of the history shared by NIK, KN & Anth and it explains a lot of the mutualistic relationship and their support of extremist views.

Anyway, let's hope that the clear re-statement of the Off-Topic rules means that subject matter and contribution to the various threads is not just those of the extremist minority. Especially as they have a poor record of support as regards adding reviews and information on SP's (and they don't like the fact that the main section of UKP is now the review section).
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Wow is my first reaction, this is a good thing.

Offline Chorley

The toxic threads created by the minority simply stopped a lot of members from participating. 
I have to say that I was not aware of the history shared by NIK, KN & Anth and it explains a lot of the mutualistic relationship and their support of extremist views.

Anyway, let's hope that the clear re-statement of the Off-Topic rules means that subject matter and contribution to the various threads is not just those of the extremist minority. Especially as they have a poor record of support as regards adding reviews and information on SP's (and they don't like the fact that the main section of UKP is now the review section).
Do those three know each other then?

Offline Beamer

Do those three know each other then?

Yes and IMO explains a lot.
Take a look at .....

https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=278329.0

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#1 fucking million. The old off topic section sometimes felt like the The National Front/Britain First message board.

+1 it's as bad now with the usual diatribe being spouted.

I just stopped contributing
« Last Edit: June 07, 2020, 05:08:41 pm by hullad »

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I have to say that I was not aware of the history shared by NIK, KN & Anth and it explains a lot of the mutualistic relationship and their support of extremist views.

Excuse me, I hold no extremist views whatsoever. The comments I made were supporting 1. Trump and 2. made towards a dislike of one particular Abrahamic ideology. That when nationally surveyed a year ago in the UK, a third of the people responded to say they thought it was totally incompatible with the British way of life. Also a series of people in that particular topic, also all had similar views as I did too, which if you read it you can see for yourself. I was just most vocal on them.  So that is not extremist if a third of the UK feel that way.

If you were around this forum when it opened, you would like Nik and KN too. As the forum was much smaller then and more like a close nit group of friends sharing ideas. The people who dislike Nik and KN seem to have just joined in the last year and seem to forget this forum existed for almost 10 years before that and people were here since the start and got to know people.

That is all I am saying on it due to the new rules.
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Excuse me, I hold no extremist views whatsoever. The comments I made were supporting 1. Trump and 2. made towards a dislike of one particular Abrahamic ideology. That when nationally surveyed a year ago in the UK, a third of the people responded to say they thought it was totally incompatible with the British way of life. Also a series of people in that particular topic, also all had similar views as I did too, which if you read it you can see for yourself. I was just most vocal on them.  So that is not extremist if a third of the UK feel that way.

If you were around this forum when it opened, you would like Nik and KN too. As the forum was much smaller then and more like a close nit group of friends sharing ideas. The people who dislike Nik and KN seem to have just joined in the last year and seem to forget this forum existed for almost 10 years before that and people were here since the start and got to know people.

That is all I am saying on it due to the new rules.

They call you 'extremist' if you don't go along with them.

Offline King Nuts

Do those three know each other then?

I wouldn't normally respond to something as petty as this, but for the record....

I don't know NIK or Anth at all. Never spoken them, and never met them. I don't know anything about them.

We're all a bunch of guys on here who were intially drawn to this site by a common interest. But over the years, that interest, for my part, has waned. All sorts of reasons, none of them particularly interesting.

If being an ongoing punter is the qualification for posting, then I suspect quite a few people will drop out.






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Can it also be extended to say no left wing or right wing bollocks  :rolleyes:
That should shut a lot up  :sarcastic:

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Excuse me, I hold no extremist views whatsoever. The comments I made were supporting 1. Trump and 2. made towards a dislike of one particular Abrahamic ideology. That when nationally surveyed a year ago in the UK, a third of the people responded to say they thought it was totally incompatible with the British way of life. Also a series of people in that particular topic, also all had similar views as I did too, which if you read it you can see for yourself. I was just most vocal on them.  So that is not extremist if a third of the UK feel that way.

If you were around this forum when it opened, you would like Nik and KN too. As the forum was much smaller then and more like a close nit group of friends sharing ideas. The people who dislike Nik and KN seem to have just joined in the last year and seem to forget this forum existed for almost 10 years before that and people were here since the start and got to know people.

That is all I am saying on it due to the new rules.
When OldAdmin appointed moderators he posted a set of guidelines, one of those was "don't be afraid to take action against established members". He also pointed out that since off topic had gone certain members had seen an increase in the number of their posts being deleted. Even he appreciated the forum was bigger than a select few, was he wrong?

The point is times change, the efforts that were put in at the start are and should be appreciated, but the site is no longer a group of friends, it is far bigger than that.

Offline Chorley

I wouldn't normally respond to something as petty as this, but for the record....

I don't know NIK or Anth at all. Never spoken them, and never met them. I don't know anything about them.

We're all a bunch of guys on here who were intially drawn to this site by a common interest. But over the years, that interest, for my part, has waned. All sorts of reasons, none of them particularly interesting.

If being an ongoing punter is the qualification for posting, then I suspect quite a few people will drop out.
"I wouldn't normally respond to something as petty as this" But you did anyway. And I'm not sure why you'd class  that as petty?  :unknown: I was merely asking a question out of curiosity.

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When OldAdmin appointed moderators he posted a set of guidelines. The point is times change...Even he appreciated the forum was bigger than a select few, was he wrong?

Times have not changed. As that ethos was developed by Nik. That Admin carried forward on taking over in January 2013. Some really likeable founding members were banned during Niks ownership that we're bringing the forum down. 

But let me also say, bringing the forum down, wasn't making a controversial post or two. It was things a lot more serious than this.

If people were banned from here by either Nik or oldAdmin due to a controversial comment or two, then, unfortunately, James would have been given the boot. As mixed in with his helpful posts on the mainboard. He would make a controversial comment or two inside offtopic. People like Jimmyredcab also made a controversial comment or two in offtopic.

However, what I will also say, I reminded oldAdmin about that very exact same ethos a few weeks ago given clear unadulterated trolls absolutely ruining the old sister site to here who do not punt at all that he now runs, and who are purposefully and intentionally derailing anyone's topics who try to discuss punting inside of them. And are forcing people off that forum in droves. Punters and Working girls. But he does not ban any of them.

There are around 30 separate reviews of those members doing it by people who've been forced out from there and name the culprits every time doing it. So it's not just me complaining about those members. Everyone is it seems.

However, before you say, that's different from here, that cannot be mentioned on here, my point is, maybe oldAdmin saying that does not involve posting controversial comments, as if it did. Certain people would be long gone from that place by OldAdmin right now. Long gone.

The rules have been updated now. So everyone knows what you can and cannot do. I intend to follow them myself. Like I try and to on every mod advice you give me.

I am not trying to argue. That is just my honest take on it.
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I wouldn't normally respond to something as petty as this, but for the record....

I don't know NIK or Anth at all. Never spoken them, and never met them. I don't know anything about them.

We're all a bunch of guys on here who were intially drawn to this site by a common interest. But over the years, that interest, for my part, has waned. All sorts of reasons, none of them particularly interesting.

If being an ongoing punter is the qualification for posting, then I suspect quite a few people will drop out.

It'd be difficult to police or enforce, for starters.

But, more to the point, if you're no longer a punter then why would you even be on here?

Offline King Nuts

It'd be difficult to police or enforce, for starters.

But, more to the point, if you're no longer a punter then why would you even be on here?

Things evolve. Once I was, now I'm not. Does this matter?


Offline tom269u001

#1 fucking million. The old off topic section sometimes felt like the The National Front/Britain First message board.

+1 trillion! (factorial)

There are some real nasty individuals putting incendiary / racist / xenophobic posts up. Must be difficult for the mods to keep up as there is so much of it!

Offline jeanphillipe

Can it also be extended to say no left wing or right wing bollocks  :rolleyes:
That should shut a lot up  :sarcastic:

Exactly i hate far left diatribe as much as far right.

The irony is some people with far right views is they dont realise they come across as whingy and whiny as those "libtards" they say moan and whine about, sometimes, the most trivial of matters.

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Like I try and to on every mod advice you give me.
I'm not going to get into a debate with you about it, nor am I going to comment on individual members who have been mentioned in private.

The only thing I will comment on is the part I have left, you do not take advice, I have told you time and again if you have an issue with another forum, TAKE IT UP ON THERE. it has nothing to do with this site or it's owners.

FWIW those who you moan about incessantly are still posting in their usual style, it would seem to me the owner of that site has not taken any action against them.


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When OldAdmin appointed moderators he posted a set of guidelines, one of those was "don't be afraid to take action against established members"....Even he appreciated the forum was bigger than a select few, was he wrong?
FWIW those who you moan about incessantly are still posting in their usual style, it would seem to me the owner of that site has not taken any action against them.

That is my point exactly on this ^ that people here must not also be ignoring oldAdmins ethos given that ^^
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That is my point exactly on this ^ that people here must not also be ignoring oldAdmins ethos given that ^^
I'm not going to get into a debate with you about it,

Offline Blackpool Rock

Exactly i hate far left diatribe as much as far right.

The irony is some people with far right views is they dont realise they come across as whingy and whiny as those "libtards" they say moan and whine about, sometimes, the most trivial of matters.
I agree with this however i'd also add that in some cases i'm not sure that people realise it even when it's pointed out as they also claim to have no political bias etc or leaning one way or another.
It's almost like declaring themselves to judge by the wisdom of Solomon and be independent in their thinking while the majority of others think they are fairly far from centre

It's the classic of how an individual sees them-self being very different from how others view them, the problem becomes worse if someone can't ever concede any ground or accept any counter view or opinion. 

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That is my point exactly on this ^ that people here must not also be ignoring oldAdmins ethos given that ^^

Anth
Oldadmin has gone. He abandoned this site, walked away and left others to pick us the resulting mess.
By definition, his way of doing things didn't work and the only relevance his tenure has now is to show how NOT to do things.
I would argue that a lot of his problems were of his own making: he banned newbies for minor errors, while allowing established members to run riot on the site with extremist views and downright bullying of other members.
He's gone, the sites moved on to a more harmonious place, but a few members of the former club want to drag us back into the dark ages.
We need to ignore them and look forward

Offline Blackpool Rock

When OldAdmin appointed moderators he posted a set of guidelines, one of those was "don't be afraid to take action against established members". He also pointed out that since off topic had gone certain members had seen an increase in the number of their posts being deleted. Even he appreciated the forum was bigger than a select few, was he wrong?

The point is times change, the efforts that were put in at the start are and should be appreciated, but the site is no longer a group of friends, it is far bigger than that.
I have wondered how things stand between any of the Mods and some of the long standing members as naturally people will have an affinity with others if they formed close relationships when the forum was still in it's infancy.
That said I do also think that all of the Mods appointed by Old Admin have done their role from a neutral standpoint and i'm sure they would take action if it was needed despite not necessarily wanting to.

As you say times change and we are now on the 3rd owner; while I am grateful to Nik & Co for getting the site originally set up the way I look at it is that when Head1 bought the site we all remained members however everyone's membership was reset to day 1

Head 1
Admin
Mods
Members all equal on the same level 

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Exactly i hate far left diatribe as much as far right.

The irony is some people with far right views is they dont realise they come across as whingy and whiny as those "libtards" they say moan and whine about, sometimes, the most trivial of matters.

It's the language, and lack of consideration.

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Anth
Oldadmin has gone. He abandoned this site, walked away and left others to pick us the resulting mess.
By definition, his way of doing things didn't work and the only relevance his tenure has now is to show how NOT to do things.
I would argue that a lot of his problems were of his own making: he banned newbies for minor errors, while allowing established members to run riot on the site with extremist views and downright bullying of other members.
He's gone, the sites moved on to a more harmonious place, but a few members of the former club want to drag us back into the dark ages.
We need to ignore them and look forward

I am not Sure much of your statement is correct but the one thing you have got right is the new owner of the site makes the rules so abide by them or fuck off, simple really

Offline ManOFSteel

Obviously banning racial slurs and epithets is a good thing but banning topics like religion is daft as religion makes up a good baulk of politics.

Banning discussions is bad for both the left and the right. One's views can change for the better or worse via communication with those you may not have an opportunity to generally.

Robust communication. With good moderation. Otherwise there's no point of having the section.

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Obviously banning racial slurs and epithets is a good thing but banning topics like religion is daft as religion makes up a good baulk of politics.

Banning discussions is bad for both the left and the right. One's views can change for the better or worse via communication with those you may not have an opportunity to generally.

Robust communication. With good moderation. Otherwise there's no point of having the section.
There's more to off topic than religion or politics.

As life in the punting world has changed and FR's are now in short supply this board is back. Act responsibly. If it turns into a war zone it will be culled.

We are not going to add to the Mods workload to move off-topic posts here so any such new topics on the punting related boards will simply be deleted.

All site rules will continue to apply.

No Religion. No Racism!!

Unfortunately far too many ignored the highlighted part of 90125's post. if you don't like the new rules feel free to ignore off topic all together. 

Offline yandex

Anth
Oldadmin has gone. He abandoned this site, walked away and left others to pick us the resulting mess.
By definition, his way of doing things didn't work and the only relevance his tenure has now is to show how NOT to do things.
I would argue that a lot of his problems were of his own making: he banned newbies for minor errors, while allowing established members to run riot on the site with extremist views and downright bullying of other members.
He's gone, the sites moved on to a more harmonious place, but a few members of the former club want to drag us back into the dark ages.
We need to ignore them and look forward

This for me.

I kind of expected things to go this way on off topic. I allowed myself to get drawn in for a short time but have realised that there's just no point in trying.

Offline Ozy84

There's more to off topic than religion or politics.
 
Unfortunately far too many ignored the highlighted part of 90125's post. if you don't like the new rules feel free to ignore off topic all together.

 :drinks:

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I am not Sure much of your statement is correct but the one thing you have got right is the new owner of the site makes the rules so abide by them or fuck off, simple really

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Only asking to check I am not going senile - I assume a bunch of threads have been culled?

If so good job.

Keep up the good work  :hi:

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This was inevitable.

It’s always the minority that ruin it for everyone  :hi:

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Only asking to check I am not going senile - I assume a bunch of threads have been culled?

If so good job.

Keep up the good work  :hi:

Some members were bumping threads and pushing their luck. In these cases the threads will be deleted.

Offline Chorley

Some members were bumping threads and pushing their luck. In these cases the threads will be deleted.
Cheers Admin  :thumbsup:

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Some members were bumping threads and pushing their luck. In these cases the threads will be deleted.

Hopefully they are getting their one and only warning..
You and the Mods haven’t got time to waste on people who are taking the piss...

Offline Blackpool Rock

Hopefully they are getting their one and only warning..
You and the Mods haven’t got time to waste on people who are taking the piss...
Exactly, I see another slightly watered down thread has still been started this afternoon and has now thankfully been culled.

What a waste of time and effort having to police everything especially when you then factor in not a single review or helpful punting comment in years  :dash:

Offline Chorley

Exactly, I see another slightly watered down thread has still been started this afternoon and has now thankfully been culled.

What a waste of time and effort having to police everything especially when you then factor in not a single review or helpful punting comment in years  :dash:
And yet if you dare comment you get called a snowflake, a lefty or some other childish and banal comment.  :rolleyes:

Offline whoya.kiddin

Anth
Oldadmin has gone. He abandoned this site, walked away and left others to pick us the resulting mess.

You know that for a fact do you?  It certainly was not the way it looked to me.  Old Admin's behaviour changed significantly in December 2018 but it was a full six months before his departure was announced. 

Of course if you have more information or anyone else would like to sher please do.  For one, I absolutely support this clarification of policy and hope this will see the end the moronic xenophobia of the past.

Offline jeanphillipe

when you say no racism. does this mean no discussing topics regarding racism or just being racist?

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when you say no racism. does this mean no discussing topics regarding racism or just being racist?

My interpretation was no discussing topics regarding racism or religion? Being racist was I think always contrary to the rules.

There were at least two new threads started during the last 24 hours or so with the subject matter being racism and they were deleted.

There is of course the BLM thread still left running, although that appears to have descended into further confrontation during the wee small hours  :D

Offline Blackpool Rock

when you say no racism. does this mean no discussing topics regarding racism or just being racist?
Problem is that it's a fine line which becomes blurred and before too long boundaries get pushed albeit the wording gets toned down, i'm not sure that it's actually possible to have a sensible discussion about race

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Problem is that it's a fine line which becomes blurred and before too long boundaries get pushed albeit the wording gets toned down, i'm not sure that it's actually possible to have a sensible discussion about race

Apparently it becomes a case of having a sense of humour rather than a ‘sensible discussion’  :lol: :lol: :lol: