WG Putting Prices Up

[MrMatrix]

Exactly many over value themselves and deliver a shit service

Dont they just. Thats why its important that members contribute by way of reviews.

[mrfishyfoo]

My point was there are often times it's very quiet.

Again a choice.

The £80ph whorehouse in Sheffield is never quiet. 

[Colston36]

So most girls get free condoms? I certainly don't. Advertising for me is around £150 per month. There are also other costs.
The hourly rate may be high compared to many other jobs, but you have no idea how busy or quiet a girl is.
Last week I had 5 outcalls, two of them were booked quite a bit in advance. The nine or ten days prior I had zero.

People here seem to have very inflated ideas of how much work girls get. Maybe some of the well known ones have constant streams of slavering punters, but none of the handful I see regularly do. I am also astonished by comments that suggest girls face no or very few risks. Having men stronger than you who you don't know come in without you knowing precisely might happen is, I would suggest, a pretty risky way to live.

[mrfishyfoo]

What a load of shit, I most certainly DONT necessarily get what I pay for when punting. Punting isnt the same as buying an inanimate object, whether I get a good service off a WG depends on her attitude NOT what she happens to charge.

And its been proved by countless reviews on here and my own personal experience that price is NO indicator in punting, you clearly haven't read UKP. Where DO you people come from, and by that I mean the clueless who don't know how punting works.

+1

I've had some OUTSTANDING punts for less than £100ph and I've also had some real shockers for £200ph+ which makes the "you get what you pay for" debate IMHO a load of bollocks.

[mrfishyfoo]

People here seem to have very inflated ideas of how much work girls get. Maybe some of the well known ones have constant streams of slavering punters, but none of the handful I see regularly do. I am also astonished by comments that suggest girls face no or very few risks. Having men stronger than you who you don't know come in without you knowing precisely might happen is, I would suggest, a pretty risky way to live.

WTF !!! 

FFS I watched a bloke get his fucking hand chopped off by a machine at work. He was on an average wage NOT an inflated wage like what the whores we all fuck get.

Life is full of risk !!!!

[Rochelle]

WTF !!! 

FFS I watched a bloke get his fucking hand chopped off by a machine at work. He was on an average wage NOT an inflated wage like what the whores we all fuck get.

Life is full of risk !!!!

You seem very bitter.

[mrfishyfoo]

You seem very bitter.

YAWN !!! 

[AnthG]

People here seem to have very inflated ideas of how much work girls get. Maybe some of the well known ones have constant streams of slavering punters, but none of the handful I see regularly do.

Maybe because they are being greedy in this pricing. Which is the whole point of this topic.

[Payyourwaymate]

I don’t believe a punter is more at risk. Although we are not risk free that’s for sure.
Most WG’s will see a significant amount of men a day/week compared to a punter like me for example who maybe only punts once a week or a month.

From that, the risk is higher for the WG in regards to rape/sexual assault/stealthing and so on.
The more people she sees the more her risk may be increased, also services.
If she is barebacking punters her risk would be increased there too.

I agree price and service doesn’t correlate, I’ve had great bookings on the cheaper scales and rubbish ones at the more expensive scale, and vice versa.

If nobody was paying the rate on the profile they wouldn’t be able to charge it.

I see, fair enough. I do agree with what you said however, my main point in relation to risk management, was that a WG has more control over the risk she will deal in the moment with through employing various conventional or unconventional screening techniques on potential punters while on the other hand the punter can only turn up and hope everything does not go to shit. Sorry if I was not clearer in my post. You are right though in saying the WG has more risk potentially in seeing more guys over the long term. As for barebacking random punters... well might as well hit the bookies and play roulette instead, a much safer way to earn quick money  .

[Payyourwaymate]

The nine or ten days prior I had zero.

Oh my, how do you manage your spending for everyday essentials and other costs on such a potentially volatile income stream?  Is that sort of income really better than a normal job? Out of curiosity to ask you since I assume you would be in contact with other WGs who maybe discuss prices, does that sort of sporadic income give a suitable justification for WGs to put higher prices to cover for quiet periods? 

[Rochelle]

Oh my, how do you manage your spending for everyday essentials and other costs on such a potentially volatile income stream?  Is that sort of income really better than a normal job? Out of curiosity to ask you since I assume you would be in contact with other WGs who maybe discuss prices, does that sort of sporadic income give a suitable justification for WGs to put higher prices to cover for quiet periods?

I'm getting a normal job again so I don't have to rely solely on this.
No, I'm not really in contact with other WGs.

[LLPunting]

So most girls get free condoms? I certainly don't. Advertising for me is around £150 per month. There are also other costs.
The hourly rate may be high compared to many other jobs, but you have no idea how busy or quiet a girl is.
Last week I had 5 outcalls, two of them were booked quite a bit in advance. The nine or ten days prior I had zero.

I was speaking to poster's mention of paraphernalia on premises, the consumables.  Indies will have advertising costs, agency/parlour girls may have house fees, these ancilliaries aren't extraordinary in their equivalence to civvie working costs.

An SP may choose to invest in their business by buying more expensive and extensive advertising options, outfits, lingerie, different condoms but that's an individual choice not mandatory.  If it adds to the perceived value by the client then great they have some justification for the charge they make and he pays.  Plenty of girls in London start with very little accoutrements and if they know how to work their punters will soon amass plenty of wardrobe and tools of the trade for free.  Even if an SP paid for these that still doesn't justify the price point given how busy they could be.  Popular "affordable" girls (up to 250ph) should/could be working at least several punts a day (many at least 6, more if taking hhrs and quickies), exactly how many will be by indie choice or management bookings.  Once a sensible girl is making >200 per day she really should be sailing, even "cheap" girls could be this comfortable for the sake of 4 b2b/shags or <10 wanks a day.  When you consider this, the economics of massage don't make sense for girls to just offer a toss unless they're in a high footfall territory like Shoreditch, Soho, London Bridge, Canary Wharf because most ordinary locations about town will offer less than 10 clients a day.

Girls who don't/can't; a) choose easily accessible incall locations; b) offer good service; c) price themselves appropriately will of course see their business suffer and probably tail off from their initial novelty value.  That's as it should be for any business that doesn't plan properly.   Away from the high client density (parts of) cities the business model will need to be different and depend on the demographic and transport links of the catchment area of the working location.

Rochelle, I have no idea where you are, what you look like, how much you charge, the services you offer, the affluence of the punters around you, how many punters you'd like to see a day/week, etc.  What I've described above is my observations on the cheaper end of the London market;  that's thousands of girls many/most of whom don't know how to work the market properly, hence our frustration and complaints and their lack of burgeoning business.

[LLPunting]

Not at all, just looking at your field reports I see you like the lower end of the market price wise so a bit hypocritical.... maybe you can’t afford the higher rates so you come across as all bitter and twisted 

<Sigh> Again deflection and not making your assessment on a full understanding.  There is nothing hypocritical about shopping <150ph.  You really have no idea about logic, reasoning and argument.  You're a facile little Trumpeter with a penchant for micro-Johnson bombast.
I decided many moons ago that punting multiple times a week @ 150ph on agency girls wasn't giving me the VFM it should.  I like fucking often rather than rarely so I chanced the indie market at 100, taking the perceived chance of poorer looks, reliability and services.  For a while it was quite satisfying because the girls weren't as bad as expected but then the quality of the girls changed.  Another reassessment of my priorities and I decided to try the parlours and again for a while (shorter than previously) this also worked despite the more ordinariness of the looks.  With the pound as it is and Brexit due to make things even more miserable I'm not sure regular varied punting in London will be worth the faff, so again I will re-evaluate.  Perhaps finding a few regulars who might come to an arrangement or a clutch of sensible(!) SBs might work.  Perhaps emigrating or going on long sojourns in poorer countries with amenable, affable women.

[LLPunting]

Just from a cost of living perspective £100 from 4 years ago would be worth £120ish today. Any tradesperson who is charging the same rates as 2015 would be taking quite a pay cut.
The only hope for us punters is market forces or supply and demand putting downward pressure on prices. The only part of the equation we can influence is demand..... Just punting a bit less often perhaps?

Equating SPs to tradespeople doesn't really work.  Tradespeople require there to be something in need of repair to generate interest in purchase of services.  SPs only need to make their price/service attractive enough for a punter to want to see her, the only other constraint being their ability to make time in their diary.
Whilst SPs now are making less per transaction (inflation, exchange rates) and perhaps seeing less transactions due to budget constraints on punters, they could stimulate business by cutting rates to be more affordable by more punters.
Say an SP sees 4 customers a day at 100 each but could manage more.  She discounts her price to 90 for a promotional offer and as long as she sees one more punter for an hr she's up on the day.  Indeed she might only see one more punter every 2 days and still be up (by not alot).

[LLPunting]

Hold on a minute. Any business be it a plumber, electrician or a WG has set up costs, as well as on going costs. For the business to make money, those costs have to be covered otherwise the business is a loss making one that will fail and cease trading at some point in the future. Are you trying to say that WGs are a special kind of business that has no operating expenses?

What are the necessary extraordinary costs of setting up as a working girl?

rent 2 places? nope, girls who can afford to outlay on second premises because they want to live elsewhere/separate work from home can make that luxury choice.

equipment? minimal, poundland etc for toiletries and linens (not that we see this investment in many places by many accounts here). phone+SIM. cheap underwear.

expensive advertising? not really, GT, VS, AW, other listing sites, you don't have to use all at once to get started.  Even Rochelle's £150 pcm is £5/day

touring?  £50pn hotel rates can be secured in advance, recouped easily by splitting across the bookings taken in advance at minimal surcharge, or if they choose to shaft the punters then easily over-compensated for.

professional training and certification? nope

beauty treatments? nope

[LLPunting]

Plumbers don't  charge £100 plus an hour 

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[LLPunting]

People here seem to have very inflated ideas of how much work girls get. Maybe some of the well known ones have constant streams of slavering punters, but none of the handful I see regularly do. I am also astonished by comments that suggest girls face no or very few risks. Having men stronger than you who you don't know come in without you knowing precisely might happen is, I would suggest, a pretty risky way to live.

Girls who set a price then moan about not being as busy as they want or need can just change their pricing to see what happens.  Or perhaps, heaven forbid change their service offering.
Sure there is a quandary about what they want to do for how much BUT they chose to try sex work and that means you have customers to satisfy, a business that refuses to identify and serve its customers' needs isn't going to last very long.  There's no constraint on how many jobs you hold down other than available time.  A girl could be indie, parlour and agency worker.

The estimates for the sex trade place the ratio of SP:punter at what 1:10?  So 70 potential punts across a week.  A £60ph SP averaging 1 punt a day (420 pw) is doing poorly but that's still £84 per day so over minimum wage @ c.£20k pa.  Say she manages to convert 10 of those potentials then she's on 600 pw / c.£29k pa (incl. 4 weeks holiday). Or how about 20 punts = 1200 / c.£58k
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It will be affordability that mainly governs number of customers, presuming all SPs offer a passable service.

There's no doubt that there are safety risks associated with punters and criminals but these can be mitigated.  Honourable, sympathetic punters would agree that SPs need more protections and assurances of fair treatment to operate independently under the Law.  Anyone not is probably a risk to SPs.

[finn5555]

Perhaps emigrating or going on long sojourns in poorer countries with amenable, affable women.

Looking at your track record you would even fuck that up 

[LLPunting]

Looking at your track record you would even fuck that up 

Indeed, I may well do but at least I try and I share the experiences for the benefit of others here.
When you read back over your "track record" with your preternatural incisiveness what do you conclude about yourself?

[Payyourwaymate]

I'm getting a normal job again so I don't have to rely solely on this.
No, I'm not really in contact with other WGs.

I see, fair enough. Good luck.

[finn5555]

Indeed, I may well do but at least I try and I share the experiences for the benefit of others here.
When you read back over your "track record" with your preternatural incisiveness what do you conclude about yourself?

That i dont waste money on shit punts 

[Payyourwaymate]

An SP may choose to invest in their business by buying more expensive and extensive advertising options, outfits, lingerie, different condoms but that's an individual choice not mandatory.  If it adds to the perceived value by the client then great they have some justification for the charge they make and he pays.  Plenty of girls in London start with very little accoutrements and if they know how to work their punters will soon amass plenty of wardrobe and tools of the trade for free.  Even if an SP paid for these that still doesn't justify the price point given how busy they could be.  Popular "affordable" girls (up to 250ph) should/could be working at least several punts a day (many at least 6, more if taking hhrs and quickies), exactly how many will be by indie choice or management bookings.  Once a sensible girl is making >200 per day she really should be sailing, even "cheap" girls could be this comfortable for the sake of 4 b2b/shags or <10 wanks a day.  When you consider this, the economics of massage don't make sense for girls to just offer a toss unless they're in a high footfall territory like Shoreditch, Soho, London Bridge, Canary Wharf because most ordinary locations about town will offer less than 10 clients a day.

Girls who don't/can't; a) choose easily accessible incall locations; b) offer good service; c) price themselves appropriately will of course see their business suffer and probably tail off from their initial novelty value.  That's as it should be for any business that doesn't plan properly.   Away from the high client density (parts of) cities the business model will need to be different and depend on the demographic and transport links of the catchment area of the working location.

Your analysis is excellent, but I think you've missed one thing...women go off on how they feel as well sometimes, so that can throw any business plans in the wind potentially. Having sex with many men a day must be emotionally draining no? Taking in all those variables to extrapolate potential incomes may work out in real life if the WG has a militant attitude, but do you honestly think most WGs sit down and come up with a business model/strategy like that?  I don't even think a lot people outside of sex work sit down to properly think up strategies towards making an income outside of normal employment or budgeting,  let alone in a volatile cash flow working area like sex work. 

[AnthG]

do you honestly think most WGs sit down and come up with a business model/strategy like that?

No, from what I have seen new WGs just look at what others are charging and just copy that.

And that is the problem and the point of this topic, when one WG ups her prices. They all seem to want to copy them or they literally feel they are being robbed and cheated by these punters and get in a right stroppy mood all over a tenner sometimes all till they up their prices too.

Like you say, WGs do not do some market analysis. The pice they pick is 99.99% of the time solely based on copying what others charge.

[Rochelle]

Girls who set a price then moan about not being as busy as they want or need can just change their pricing to see what happens.  Or perhaps, heaven forbid change their service offering.
Sure there is a quandary about what they want to do for how much BUT they chose to try sex work and that means you have customers to satisfy, a business that refuses to identify and serve its customers' needs isn't going to last very long.  There's no constraint on how many jobs you hold down other than available time.  A girl could be indie, parlour and agency worker.

The estimates for the sex trade place the ratio of SP:punter at what 1:10?  So 70 potential punts across a week.  A £60ph SP averaging 1 punt a day (420 pw) is doing poorly but that's still £84 per day so over minimum wage @ c.£20k pa.  Say she manages to convert 10 of those potentials then she's on 600 pw / c.£29k pa (incl. 4 weeks holiday). Or how about 20 punts = 1200 / c.£58k
Compare to External Link/Members Only.

It will be affordability that mainly governs number of customers, presuming all SPs offer a passable service.

There's no doubt that there are safety risks associated with punters and criminals but these can be mitigated.  Honourable, sympathetic punters would agree that SPs need more protections and assurances of fair treatment to operate independently under the Law.  Anyone not is probably a risk to SPs.

I've tried different price points, right now many here would say based on my looks and services, I'm too expensive. I've reduced my rates to the lowest I would accept, it didn't make a difference to how busy I was. I sometimes go two weeks without a booking.

P. S. Before certain people say so, I know what they think. I'm old, fat, blah blah blah.

[Rochelle]

No, from what I have seen new WGs just look at what others are charging and just copy that.

And that is the problem and the point of this topic, when one WG ups her prices. They all seem to want to copy them or they literally feel they are being robbed and cheated by these punters and get in a right stroppy mood all over a tenner sometimes all till they up their prices too.

Like you say, WGs do not do some market analysis. The pice they pick is 99.99% of the time solely based on copying what others charge.

You're stating your opinion as fact. Of course it happens, but 99.99%?

[Jian_Cheng]

Again..................

NO I'm not, are you a hooker,pimp or just a troll ?

[Hobbit]

You're stating your opinion as fact. Of course it happens, but 99.99%?

There is some truth to that. There are some girls who tend to just copy other girls price rates. It's a cultural thing and happens pretty much everywhere.

[cotton]

Fairly high rates are well deserved by WG's IMO,  considering the risks they take, how much  pleasure they give, etc.

My interpretation is that SPs justify their shyhigh prices on the basis that they consider the job as being so horrific and unpleasant that it warrants such a high price to even consider doing it. Which as a punter i take as an insult , i mean if a girl wants £200 or £300 to have sex with you how unpleasant must she find you. Better find a down to earth chik who will fuck you for reasonable money , rather than some snotty nosed bitch who thinks her pussy is made of gold.

[finn5555]

You're stating your opinion as fact. Of course it happens, but 99.99%?

Rochelle many are just lazy and find it easier to copy and paste information from other profiles and then set their prices based on local competition, do you think you would get more bookings if you did incalls

[AnthG]

You're stating your opinion as fact. Of course it happens, but 99.99%?

Ok, what do you think they do?

[Mallow841]

My interpretation is that SPs justify their shyhigh prices on the basis that they consider the job as being so horrific and unpleasant that it warrants such a high price to even consider doing it. Which as a punter i take as an insult , i mean if a girl wants £200 or £300 to have sex with you how unpleasant must she find you. Better find a down to earth chik who will fuck you for reasonable money , rather than some snotty nosed bitch who thinks her pussy is made of gold.

Whether it’s £90 or £900
The escort wouldn’t be fucking us if it wasn’t for the cash really.

[Mallow841]

Rochelle many are just lazy and find it easier to copy and paste information from other profiles and then set their prices based on local competition, do you think you would get more bookings if you did incalls

They do you are right.
But a lot of modern businesses seem to adopt the same model these days where the pricing is exactly the same or almost by the pound.

Rather than experiment with their market and see what works best, they look at the competition and go from there.

[AnthG]

Whether it’s £90 or £900
The escort wouldn’t be fucking us if it wasn’t for the cash really.

Try going to a bar on a Friday night. I bet good money you stand a much higher statistical chance of pulling a girl who does this job than one who doesn't....

[Rochelle]

My interpretation is that SPs justify their shyhigh prices on the basis that they consider the job as being so horrific and unpleasant that it warrants such a high price to even consider doing it. Which as a punter i take as an insult , i mean if a girl wants £200 or £300 to have sex with you how unpleasant must she find you. Better find a down to earth chik who will fuck you for reasonable money , rather than some snotty nosed bitch who thinks her pussy is made of gold.

Why assume that? Maybe they're just charging as high as they can get away with. Maybe that's the lowest price they're willing to accept to sleep with someone. Maybe they're doing it based on how hot they are, or think they are, their age, location, et cetera. Maybe they're looking for a certain type of punter and think that high rates are the way to go.

I don't see why any punter should take an escort's rates as an insult to them.
I don't get your logic that because their rates are high, they must find punters unpleasant. Escorts get all sorts of punters, even fucking hot ones. I saw one recently, and when he opened the door I thought, "Wow!"

If I was 20 and a fit size 8-10, I would try to charge much higher. That's nothing to do with finding the job horrific or punters unpleasant.

[Mallow841]

Try going to a bar on a Friday night. I bet good money you stand a much higher statistical chance of pulling a girl who does this job than one who doesn't....

You know that for sure do you?
I think you believe your views to be a fact a bit too much and don’t think logically.
You are far more likely to pull a civvies (because there are more of them) than a WG.

[Rochelle]

Ok, what do you think they do?

I didn't disagree that it happens, I just said that you're pulling your percentage out of the air.

[AnthG]

If I was 20 and a fit size 8-10, I would try to charge much higher. That's nothing to do with finding the job horrific or punters unpleasant.

From what I can see, it is usually the old ones who charge more than the young ones doing this job.

It really is the case too. Not just saying that.

[AnthG]

You know that for sure do you?
I think you believe your views to be a fact a bit too much and don’t think logically.

Look up in the dictionary what higher statistical chance means....

[Mallow841]

Look up in the dictionary what higher statistical chance means....

I don’t need to.
You clearly deem your views as fact though.

I’d say it’s the other way round with high confidence that a civvie is more likely to be pulled than a WG.
Of course I have no evidence and nor do you. Unless you have personal experience.

[Beamer]

You know that for sure do you?
I think you believe your views to be a fact a bit too much and don’t think logically.

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion......yours IMO is illogical 

[Mallow841]

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion......yours IMO is illogical

Of course they are. Equally as others are entitled to challenge opinions they deem illogical or otherwise.

So would you like to elaborate on your opinion in regards to what I said being illogical?

[Beamer]

Of course they are. Equally as others are entitled to challenge opinions they deem illogical or otherwise.

So would you like to elaborate on your opinion in regards to what I said being illogical?

Cocked the response up. I was referring to AnthG not you 

[Mallow841]

Cocked the response up. I was referring to Anth not you 

No worries! 

[Moby Dick]

Try going to a bar on a Friday night. I bet good money you stand a much higher statistical chance of pulling a girl who does this job than one who doesn't....

£1,000,000 I bet it has never happened to me!!
I have never chatted up or even met a girl who admits she was a WG on a night out.
Always civvies.
Unless of course when I didn’t pull and stopped of at a parlour on the way home.

[Beamer]

£1,000,000 I bet it has never happened to me!!
I have never chatted up or even met a girl who admits she was a WG on a night out.
Always civvies.
Unless of course when I didn’t pull and stopped of at a parlour on the way home.

Agreed 

[Moby Dick]

I've tried different price points, right now many here would say based on my looks and services, I'm too expensive. I've reduced my rates to the lowest I would accept, it didn't make a difference to how busy I was. I sometimes go two weeks without a booking.

P. S. Before certain people say so, I know what they think. I'm old, fat, blah blah blah.

I think you are looking for a sympathy booking.
A subtle tout to get more business.

2 weeks without a booking, that must be worrying, especially if you have extra costs for hotels / flat etc.

[Rochelle]

I think you are looking for a sympathy booking.
A subtle tout to get more business.

2 weeks without a booking, that must be worrying, especially if you have extra costs for hotels / flat etc.

I was simply explaining my point and giving examples, of course you'd see it another way.

[James999]

. I'm old, fat,

At least you admit your problem, hopefully you put money aside in your younger years and can enjoy retirement 

Aside from that I would say of greater concern was the fact you've not built up regular clients 

[Moby Dick]

I was simply explaining my point and giving examples, of course you'd see it another way.

I think it is normal for WG to play down how many bookings they take.
They know Punters prefer to feel special, not on a conveyor.
Some will even claim they haven’t covered the hotel costs, which is hard to believe since it is only one hour a day, but 2 weeks would be a disaster. I trust this is just a part time job for those little extras, like holidays to the Caribbean.

[Rochelle]

I think it is normal for WG to play down how many bookings they take.
They know Punters prefer to feel special, not on a conveyor.
Some will even claim they haven’t covered the hotel costs, which is hard to believe since it is only one hour a day, but 2 weeks would be a disaster. I trust this is just a part time job for those little extras, like holidays to the Caribbean.