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Any intel Korean girl rents room in parlour
Quoted £50 on phone for 30 mins inc HE age over 30

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Any intel Korean girl rents room in parlour
Quoted £50 on phone for 30 mins inc HE age over 30
Age over 30... hope they meant you and not the WG?  Maybe WG under 30 is “extra”?   :D

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What do you mean she rents a room in a parlour, what sort of parlour ?

If its a proper (licensed) shop then they are very naive to be giving out the inc HE information over the phone.

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Yes its a shop and i agree with your comments but i guess she will learn as she gets more experienced

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The shop isn't licensed - it's very easy to check the councils' websites. She probably doesn't equate a HE with sexual services. But Gumtree do (and phone advertisers). The police might be interested as could some local reporter.
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Don't you get it? I thought you'd know about licences and about activities by councils, Gumtree, the police and the press? There's been enough on here about it.

The point is that Jonestown mentioned licensing, so I looked and it's not licensed. Jonestown knows the obvious (or should be), to everybody that uses the shops, that councils can revoke licences, prosecute or refuse to renew licences, if there is sexual activity. Also, Gumtree cancel and ban advertisers who admit to even a HE. The police can think - brothel and might look further. The press like salacious headlines and have succeeded in getting shops shut down, as happened with Be Healthy, in Glasgow.

As this shop isn't licensed, the council don't come into the equation but the others do. That's important as the police tend to turn a blind eye, whereas the councils must enforce licence conditions.

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Don't you get it? I thought you'd know about licences and about activities by councils, Gumtree, the police and the press? There's been enough on here about it.

The point is that Jonestown mentioned licensing, so I looked and it's not licensed. Jonestown knows the obvious (or should be), to everybody that uses the shops, that councils can revoke licences, prosecute or refuse to renew licences, if there is sexual activity. Also, Gumtree cancel and ban advertisers who admit to even a HE. The police can think - brothel and might look further. The press like salacious headlines and have succeeded in getting shops shut down, as happened with Be Healthy, in Glasgow.

As this shop isn't licensed, the council don't come into the equation but the others do. That's important as the police tend to turn a blind eye, whereas the councils must enforce licence conditions.
Devil's advocate.... how do you know it's not licensed - do you know/are familiar with the shop in question?  As far as I can tell, it's not been mentioned here.


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Good question and easy to answer. I looked at the local council and county council websites. Neither licence for massage. I did say that in my earlier post.

The Gumtree advert pinpoints the shop in Walton Road, East Molesey, so finding the councils was easy. The local council (Elmbridge) and Surrey County Council. I've never been in, although I've driven past it. It has a number of reviews on here.

Just to add - It's a common misapprehension on here that all massage shops have to be licensed. It is the case, in all London Boroughs but not in the rest of England or Wales, where councils can choose to licence or not. As we know, there has been quite a bit of action, by councils in London.

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I must admit this is strange no actual shop was mentioned she said she works in one and thats it.
There is at least 3 beauty shops in the high street and DST massage which is licensed lets not run away with things here its a punting forum for people to exchange information

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A shop needs a Special Treatment License to carry out massage, it's quite possible if it's a new shop the licensing application process is still going through, hence it might not yet appear on any council list of issued licenses.

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Muff - you're the one that mentioned that she's in a shop.

The Gumtree map places that shop on Walton Road, EM. EM is in a local and county council area, where they don't licence for massage or special treatments. It's only mandatory for all London Councils (all 32 plus The City) to licence for special treatments, including massage.

DST is not licensed - it's impossible. The legislation to licence, outside of London, has to be adopted and not too many councils do so, as it's a costly process to make the adoption. Elmbridge Counci hasn't adopted, nor has Surrey County Council. If they say that they're licensed, then they're lying or, they might be Members of the ATCM and think that constitutes a licence.

As for "lets not run away with things here its a punting forum for people to exchange information". Nobody's running away with anything - just stating facts and, as Jonestown and I have pointed out, reasons why a shop would be stupid to answer any phone calls about extras. As would any Gumtree advertiser.

I'd always thought that anybody, who uses a shop or a brothel, might want to know something about what the law allows.

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as ever, Google the phone number 07478266686
two hits on Ybirds, which suggests its Chinese and probably corrupt
That website is aimed at the "illegal" market

first is where the owner of that phone number is looking for masseuses, but also offering to set new immigrants up with a shop
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second is a six-bed house for rent in Sheffield, which could be taken to be aimed at students, but more likely at Chinese whores
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Good question and easy to answer. I looked at the local council and county council websites. Neither licence for massage. I did say that in my earlier post.

The Gumtree advert pinpoints the shop in Walton Road, East Molesey, so finding the councils was easy. The local council (Elmbridge) and Surrey County Council. I've never been in, although I've driven past it. It has a number of reviews on here.

Just to add - It's a common misapprehension on here that all massage shops have to be licensed. It is the case, in all London Boroughs but not in the rest of England or Wales, where councils can choose to licence or not. As we know, there has been quite a bit of action, by councils in London.
Doesn't sound right to me.  I live in Elmbridge and off the top of my head I can think of at least 5 TCMs - legit or otherwise, one Thai massage (only) shop - legit, and at least a dozen legit salons which offer massage as a primary service. To say EBC doesn't license massage sounds baloney to me.

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Baxter63  have you not got any jumble sales you could attend today or maybe go to the allotment?

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Doesn't sound right to me.  I live in Elmbridge and off the top of my head I can think of at least 5 TCMs - legit or otherwise, one Thai massage (only) shop - legit, and at least a dozen legit salons which offer massage as a primary service. To say EBC doesn't license massage sounds baloney to me.

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A sex establishment requires a licence.
Massage parlours are not listed and so do not require one. They are not regulated in Elmbridge.
One of the reasons why so many parlours are being opened outside London as  few councils require licences
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It suggests nothing of the sort, SB. Just your fertile mind at work. Sites like Ybirds, Netbirds, etc., are nothing more than the Gumtree or ex-pats' sites that we commonly use, when abroad. You can also buy and sell things, get travel info/book tours, find places to rent.

Many masseuses, shopworkers, cooks, waiters, get placements through the Chinese advertising sites, like that one, netbirds, etc. There's nothing in what you read to suggest otherwise. Yes, there's an offer of work in a shop - that's a perfectly normal way for Chinese people to find work. You really do need to find out, just how the Chinese massage scene really does operate, instead of your constant speculation.

Have you never lived or worked, in a country, where you've used an English language site to look for a job, rent a flat or just to buy things? I read a Greece-based one every week as it has an excellent Forum, but also carries ads for ex-pats and visitors. Jobs, goods and services - even therapies. I've worked in the Greek Islands, France and Amsterdam, in my time and got the work by word of mouth or through English language papers.

As for the accommodation ad.? I spend a lot of the year in Scotland. Glasgow is bursting at the seams, with Chinese students and there's huge demand for accommodation. There's, virtually, no Chinese massage scene, in Glasgow.

Yes, there'll be work that's 'under the radar' but what about all the Brits, who work in Spain, etc., but are also 'under the radar' ? Or the good, solid, British builder who you pay cash in hand to?

Anyway, I'm off out for the day but if you want to have a natter about any points we can catch up later.    :hi:

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It suggests nothing of the sort, SB. Just your fertile mind at work. Sites like Ybirds, Netbirds, etc., are nothing more than the Gumtree or ex-pats' sites that we commonly use, when abroad. You can also buy and sell things, get travel info/book tours, find places to rent.

Many masseuses, shopworkers, cooks, waiters, get placements through the Chinese advertising sites, like that one, netbirds, etc. There's nothing in what you read to suggest otherwise. Yes, there's an offer of work in a shop - that's a perfectly normal way for Chinese people to find work. You really do need to find out, just how the Chinese massage scene really does operate, instead of your constant speculation.

Have you never lived or worked, in a country, where you've used an English language site to look for a job, rent a flat or just to buy things? I read a Greece-based one every week as it has an excellent Forum, but also carries ads for ex-pats and visitors. Jobs, goods and services - even therapies. I've worked in the Greek Islands, France and Amsterdam, in my time and got the work by word of mouth or through English language papers.

As for the accommodation ad.? I spend a lot of the year in Scotland. Glasgow is bursting at the seams, with Chinese students and there's huge demand for accommodation. There's, virtually, no Chinese massage scene, in Glasgow.

Yes, there'll be work that's 'under the radar' but what about all the Brits, who work in Spain, etc., but are also 'under the radar' ? Or the good, solid, British builder who you pay cash in hand to?

Anyway, I'm off out for the day but if you want to have a natter about any points we can catch up later.    :hi:

Nice plausible theory.
Unfortunately it doesn't explain the authorities view that Netbirds and Ybirds are fronts for illegal immigration and illicit underground employment.

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Just the truth and the same 'charges' can be laid at Gumtree. And at many nationalities - not just the Chinese.

It would be good for all of us, if you would provide statements or publications, from these UK authorities, that explain their reasoning and what they're doing about it. I'd love to read them and see where they focus, on massage/prostitution.

You do seem to have a special down on the Chinese, though.
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For those of us who dont particularly care whether its licensed or not ... dont suppose anyone has seen her yet?

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I don't care if it's licensed or not, tbh, but there is the myth around, that everywhere is licensed when, outside of London many, many shops in England aren't. I was just correcting wrong assumptions.

So far as I'm concerned let's get  Back on Topic.
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