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Author Topic: Has anyone on here ever dated a WG?  (Read 12642 times)

cjkanye02

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Nonsense. I also appreciate that women, including prossies, wouldn't want to be my partner in a long-term relationship because I'm a punter. Perhaps you don't understand what hypocritical means?

It wouldn't piss them off. If I saw you out with a prossie I'd think you're a mug for either a) paying to walk down the high street (how would I know you're in a relationship?), or b) for getting into a relationship with a prossie  :hi:

I'd also feel smug knowing that I'd fucked your missus up the arse and had her swallow my load  :hi:

Its the same insecure thinking that birds shouldn't be interested in punters.

I'm a frequent punter but I love my Mrs 100%. Sex and love are completely seperate.

If my Mrs needed or wanted to work then good luck to her. She could fuck a thousand men but it's me that she wants.

If that ever changed and she did want someone else then good luck to her. It would mean she wasn't the one for me.

Even taking the working out of it I would let her fuck other guys if she enjoyed it. Life is short and I'd rather be with a horny nympho than someone at the opposite end of the spectrum.

I think being a punter has given me this outlook. Sex and love are like chalk and cheese, fuck all in common. Blokes or women who don't see that are jealous inhibited saps.
« Last Edit: January 20, 2014, 04:59:24 pm by cjkanye02 »

Offline Daffodil

Its the same insecure thinking that birds shouldn't be interested in punters.

I'm a frequent punter but I love my Mrs 100%. Sex and love are completely seperate.

If my Mrs needed or wanted to work then good luck to her. She could fuck a thousand men but it's me that she wants.

If that ever changed and she did want someone else then good luck to her. It would mean she wasn't the one for me.

Even taking the working out of it I would let her fuck other guys if she enjoyed it. Life is short and I'd rather be with a horny nympho than someone at the opposite end of the spectrum.

I think being a punter has given me this outlook. Sex and love are like chalk and cheese, fuck all in common. Blokes or women who don't see that are jealous inhibited saps.

I applaud you liberalism  :drinks:

Offline londonmaxxy

How do you display when you're out that you are bonking her for free & not for a few quid ?
Do you put a sign around her neck ?

Offline Daffodil

How do you display when you're out that you are bonking her for free & not for a few quid ?
Do you put a sign around her neck ?

No, she just looks glum as fuck  :sarcastic:

cjkanye02

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I applaud you liberalism  :drinks:

Not sure if you have a girlfriend (or boyfriend) at the minute, buy if you did and you got caught punting, would you use the truthful and reasonable argument that it was just sex and didn't mean anything?

I think that makes perfect sense so why not when it's the girl when it's her job?

« Last Edit: January 20, 2014, 05:16:23 pm by cjkanye02 »

cjkanye02

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How do you display when you're out that you are bonking her for free & not for a few quid ?
Do you put a sign around her neck ?

You don't. You just get on with life outside of her job.

Offline Daffodil

Not sure if you have a girlfriend (or boyfriend) at the minute, buy if you did and you got caught punting, would you use the truthful and reasonable argument that it was just sex and didn't mean anything?

I think that makes perfect sense so why not when it's the girl when it's her job?

Of course that's what I would say. What else could I say? However, I have no doubt I'd still be shown the door, and quite rightly too.

bumgarner

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Am new here (just started my career as a punter). To the guys that dated or married an escort. How did it started? Like did u ask her out on a date or how?


vorian

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Am new here (just started my career as a punter). To the guys that dated or married an escort. How did it started? Like did u ask her out on a date or how?

Are you thinking about asking a prossie out on a date yourself by any chance.

Rochdull lad

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Maybe more of a "Are you now dating; or have you ever dated, a WG?" type question, vorian.  Just a thought.

Perhaps our new punter would do well to search for the "Emotional Attachment Syndrome" thread, and also read this one: https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=24779.0 so he can be aware of the perils.

hollysbeenabadgirl

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bumgarner - If you are thinking of doing so, I would suggest putting it to the back of your mind until she refuses to take your money (as I did with my hubby to be)

vorian

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Maybe more of a "Are you now dating; or have you ever dated, a WG?" type question, vorian.  Just a thought.

Perhaps our new punter would do well to search for the "Emotional Attachment Syndrome" thread, and also read this one: https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=24779.0 so he can be aware of the perils.

I know exactly what you mean RL. So often,  a newbie will ask the same question is a variety of ways. "I know this girl is different,  I know it can work for us as together we are special" please confirm to me that it has worked out between a punter and a prossie before. If you don't tell me this you will be wrong as this girl is different and we have a connection. 

Doesn't make me angry, just a bit sad.


vorian

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bumgarner - If you are thinking of doing so, I would suggest putting it to the back of your mind until she refuses to take your money (as I did with my hubby to be)

Problem with your answer Holly is some guys will carry on and go to far until they have nothing left hoping eventually this will happen. In fact they convince themselves it will for them, just one more punt and the prossie will see the connection they have. :(

They cannot put it to the back of their mind.

bumgarner

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No am not thinking in doing it. I've seen so far about 8-9 escorts. Only 1 I have seen twice, why? Shes the only who has been worth the money the others have been a waste.

This one is an English girl whos very friendly, she works for an agency. On our 2nd meeting I asked for her real name which she gave it to me even showed me her ID for to believe. She also gave me her prvt number. We had a good time it was more chatting than just the service. Shes pretty young and so am I 23yrs . She found it strange as to why I was booking her as most of her clients were older men.

I was just asking on how u guys do it as I dont think even if I wanted to ask I would have the guts it would be strange


Rochdull lad

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I know exactly what you mean RL. So often,  a newbie will ask the same question is a variety of ways. "I know this girl is different,  I know it can work for us as together we are special" please confirm to me that it has worked out between a punter and a prossie before. If you don't tell me this you will be wrong as this girl is different and we have a connection. 

Doesn't make me angry, just a bit sad.

I think you're dead right, vorian.  When will they [I should say, "we"; I've been as guilty. :thumbsdown:] ever learn?

If you're reading this, bumgarner, try these two posts:

I am playing the Devil's Advocate here,

But what of the notion that love is not ownership - A guy can love a girl regardless of what she does. There probably are guys out there that could handle it no? and I don't mean swingers/pimps

Time was when I thought that, jonumrin; no longer. 

I know of one client who married a WG; and she "retired" as soon as they became an item.  They're the exception that proves the rule, imo.

They're really only two recent examples of comments on this subject and, as I've implied above, I am one who knows whereof he speaks.

Offline Tailpipe

I know exactly what you mean RL. So often,  a newbie will ask the same question is a variety of ways. "I know this girl is different,  I know it can work for us as together we are special" please confirm to me that it has worked out between a punter and a prossie before. If you don't tell me this you will be wrong as this girl is different and we have a connection. 

Doesn't make me angry, just a bit sad.

This is a good point  as often people think this is different this is not the same as all the others that ending up # tag fuckup were different situations. Chances of making it work are very small.
Holly once posted run for hills . She appears to be one of the very lucky ones that has made it work ,but is clearly aware that it's not for everyone and the chances of failure are high.

I agree it is sad as the punter is often been played like a turkey stick on a base drum. 

I would suspect if there is not a massive age difference between the punter and WG that the chances
increased , of making it work. I would also suspect having a shit load of money will help .
WG life styles are expensive and few guys can support this.

Sailormack

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This is a good point  as often people think this is different this is not the same as all the others that ending up # tag fuckup were different situations. Chances of making it work are very small.
Holly once posted run for hills . She appears to be one of the very lucky ones that has made it work ,but is clearly aware that it's not for everyone and the chances of failure are high.

I agree it is sad as the punter is often been played like a turkey stick on a base drum. 

I would suspect if there is not a massive age difference between the punter and WG that the chances
increased , of making it work. I would also suspect having a shit load of money will help .
WG life styles are expensive and few guys can support this.

I think it takes a "special" kind of mindset to date a pro$$ie.

IMHO, of course  :hi:

Offline Tailpipe

I think it takes a "special" kind of mindset to date a pro$$ie.

IMHO, of course  :hi:

I think you are taking the piss and you are often very good at it.   :D :D

Sailormack

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I think you are taking the piss and you are often very good at it.   :D :D

This is one of the very rare occasions that I'm not taking the piss mate.

Pro$$ies are for fucking not dating.   :rose: :kiss: :rose: :kiss:

IMHO.  :hi:

Offline Tailpipe

This is one of the very rare occasions that I'm not taking the piss mate.

Pro$$ies are for fucking not dating.   :rose: :kiss: :rose: :kiss:

IMHO.  :hi:

You are correct  :scare:

a10

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I went out with a WG for a while a few years ago. She suggested it after I'd seen her a few times and got friendly. I thought "free sex!" And went for it.

It was a fucking nightmare.

She was even worse at arranging her private life than she was pro$$ying. We were "together" about 2 months and she started talking about marriage  :scare: Her family was fucked up and she had two kids from different fathers  :dash:

She fucked like a belt-fed mortar though.

In the end I got sick of her shit and no-show weekends and when she mind-game dumped me, I didn't bother talking to her again. I had the last laugh though. A couple of months after we split she phoned me in floods of tears begging for help that a old mate if mine (I'd moved with work by that point) was banging on her door trying to get in. Turned out they'd hooked up on Facebook as soon as we separated and he turned out to be a tad possessive  :lol:

As others have said, a WG's lifestyle is a very unique one.

Offline mattylondon

I went out with a WG for a while a few years ago. She suggested it after I'd seen her a few times and got friendly. I thought "free sex!" And went for it.

It was a fucking nightmare.

I've seen some on a 'friends with benefits' basis, alongside civvies and came to the conclusion that all had mental 'issues' of some form or other and weren't worth the bother so got rid. It wasn't 'free sex', as they weren't whoring but a couple did, predictably, go back but one of those quit again. Truth be told, some services are only offered to punters and they don't even enjoy them outside of that. Some, such as anal, we're on offer, which weren't on their profile. I found that out when I mistaken slipped one up their arse! Not a sound uttered in protest. Very disconcerting and exciting!  :lol:  :sarcastic:

Girlfriend material? Anybody who does that needs their head testing. I couldn't respect them, I'm afraid.
« Last Edit: March 05, 2014, 03:57:26 pm by mattylondon »

Tony Montana

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As others have said, a WG's lifestyle is a very unique one.

Indeed.

I had a sort of friends with benefits "relationship" with a WG, sometimes I paid for the sex, sometimes I didn't but we spent some social time together like restaurants, cinema, coffee shops, even a "Uncaged Monkeys" live gig as we were both fans of the Infinite Monkey Cage on Radio 4.  She paid for me many of those times and I paid other times so it wasn't like she was using me.

Now retired and much missed.

jcdmj12

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I went out with a WG for a while a few years ago. She suggested it after I'd seen her a few times and got friendly. I thought "free sex!" And went for it.

It was a fucking nightmare.

She was even worse at arranging her private life than she was pro$$ying. We were "together" about 2 months and she started talking about marriage  :scare: Her family was fucked up and she had two kids from different fathers  :dash:

She fucked like a belt-fed mortar though.

In the end I got sick of her shit and no-show weekends and when she mind-game dumped me, I didn't bother talking to her again. I had the last laugh though. A couple of months after we split she phoned me in floods of tears begging for help that a old mate if mine (I'd moved with work by that point) was banging on her door trying to get in. Turned out they'd hooked up on Facebook as soon as we separated and he turned out to be a tad possessive  :lol:

As others have said, a WG's lifestyle is a very unique one.

Something I have learned over the years from my civvy encounters is that there is a very strong correlation between a woman's freakiness in bed and the number of mental issues she has.  This has caused me much pain in the past, but now I take it as a warning: if the sex is out-of-this-world-mindblowing, you'd better think about changing your phone number sooner or later.

jcdmj12

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No am not thinking in doing it. I've seen so far about 8-9 escorts. Only 1 I have seen twice, why? Shes the only who has been worth the money the others have been a waste.

This one is an English girl whos very friendly, she works for an agency. On our 2nd meeting I asked for her real name which she gave it to me even showed me her ID for to believe. She also gave me her prvt number. We had a good time it was more chatting than just the service. Shes pretty young and so am I 23yrs . She found it strange as to why I was booking her as most of her clients were older men.

I was just asking on how u guys do it as I dont think even if I wanted to ask I would have the guts it would be strange

Well, if you get tempted, PM me. I'll come round and kick you in the nuts a few times for free, to save you the hassle later on.

cjkany2015

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Something I have learned over the years from my civvy encounters is that there is a very strong correlation between a woman's freakiness in bed and the number of mental issues she has.  This has caused me much pain in the past, but now I take it as a warning: if the sex is out-of-this-world-mindblowing, you'd better think about changing your phone number sooner or later.

Mate you are onto one there. I was seeing a bird recently who was filthy in bed, a different league of kinkiness.

After that we enter a mental period, she was all over the place. Absolutely tapped. A different league of fucked up .

+1 to this comment.

Offline stayer

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bumgarner

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What if the girl asks me out?

jcdmj12

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A poem sums this up far better than I can...

Quote
You pick up this working girl,
who's hooked on smack,
who hustles and scores.
"That's all I do," she says.

She says, "ten bucks for head, fifteen for half and half."
She says, "three hits a day at thirty-five per."
You say, "that's seven tricks a day at least."
"But," she says, "sometimes I get lucky."
"Once this guy gives me a bill and a half just to eat me.
Only time I ever came."

You figure you can save her.

You sell your color TV.
That keeps her off the streets a whole day.
You hock your typewriter for one jolt.
Then your shotgun, your watch.

A week later, you say, "listen, I'm a little short."
But she says, "no scratch, no snatch."
You say, "look, it is better to give."
"But," she says, "beat off, creep."

One night they spot you on the street in your skivvies,
trying to sell your shoes.
You tell them who you are,
but they nail you.

Then she happens by,
and she says, "Christ, you look fucked."
She says, "hang tough."

But you don't say anything.
You just think, what a bum rap for a nice, sensitive guy like me.

- John Harris / The Gospel According To John

Offline desmo

Here goes my tale, I'm a 6 year punting vet but ended up going back to the same girl after a while, she got friendly then said I could stay over and she wouldn't charge me, gradually things were getting closer and then she put up the barricades and told me to just go back to bookings, I was OK with that as I always said I'd respect what she wanted, soon though she asked me to stay over again and things got pretty close again until she had a bad time at work and I misread a text from her which sounded like she didn't want to see me. I responded winding things up saying how great she was but time to move on etc etc. Wow that text changed things she txted back saying she realised how much she loved me and couldn't face not seeing me again. I live 3 hours away and can't commit so get down to see her once a month we get on great and the action between the sheets is great.. but she's still on AW and it does f@@k your mind up thinking she's getting plungered by someone else.. I'm sticking in therer but rrespect all the advice on here that it'll end in tears.. no doubt it will but I'm filling my boots while it lasts.. :D

vorian

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What if the girl asks me out?

Then, you have to ask yourself why would she ask a punter out,  also out of interest why did you ask, what  her real name was.  Seems an odd thing to bring up out of the blue.

Hellraiser

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Here goes my tale, I'm a 6 year punting vet but ended up going back to the same girl after a while, she got friendly then said I could stay over and she wouldn't charge me, gradually things were getting closer and then she put up the barricades and told me to just go back to bookings, I was OK with that as I always said I'd respect what she wanted, soon though she asked me to stay over again and things got pretty close again until she had a bad time at work and I misread a text from her which sounded like she didn't want to see me. I responded winding things up saying how great she was but time to move on etc etc. Wow that text changed things she txted back saying she realised how much she loved me and couldn't face not seeing me again. I live 3 hours away and can't commit so get down to see her once a month we get on great and the action between the sheets is great.. but she's still on AW and it does f@@k your mind up thinking she's getting plungered by someone else.. I'm sticking in therer but rrespect all the advice on here that it'll end in tears.. no doubt it will but I'm filling my boots while it lasts.. :D

Post a link to her Adultwork profile please,  friend.

I would like to pork her  ;)

vorian

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Post a link to her Adultwork profile please,  friend.

I would like to pork her  ;)

Always good to share an AW link with other punters if you recommend her service. :hi:

bumgarner

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It was on our 2nd meet. We got personal with each other and I ended asking her for her real name which she gave me. I teased her that I didnt believe her so she showed me her license.

We ended up getting each others number facebook email and I even got her postcode where she lives.

She invited me to Egg Club but we havent gone yet. As am dutch she told me it would be fun if I took her to Amsterdam and lived happily ever (said she was kidding)

I thnk she doesnt see me as a client due to my age 23. She kept saying how fun it was to be with someone her age.

Offline Robster199

Mate you are onto one there. I was seeing a bird recently who was filthy in bed, a different league of kinkiness.

After that we enter a mental period, she was all over the place. Absolutely tapped. A different league of fucked up .

+1 to this comment.

This

The dirtiest girls I have been with are fucked in the head. One literally was - she was sectioned!

I think there may be a correlation between their attractiveness and that they get abused as children or taken advantage of in some way. They 'act out' what they have been through which is a common human trait.  It never ends well!

vorian

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It was on our 2nd meet. We got personal with each other and I ended asking her for her real name which she gave me. I teased her that I didnt believe her so she showed me her license.

We ended up getting each others number facebook email and I even got her postcode where she lives.

She invited me to Egg Club but we havent gone yet. As am dutch she told me it would be fun if I took her to Amsterdam and lived happily ever (said she was kidding)

I thnk she doesnt see me as a client due to my age 23. She kept saying how fun it was to be with someone her age.

Could you please share her AW link, it is always helpful to other punters and as you said out of 8/9 punts she was the only one you considered to be good VFM enough to go back for a second punt. Thanks  :hi:

bumgarner

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Could you please share her AW link, it is always helpful to other punters and as you said out of 8/9 punts she was the only one you considered to be good VFM enough to go back for a second punt. Thanks  :hi:

Shes not on AW i booked her thru an agency

Offline Robster199

I started this thread as a genuine question. Thanks guys for all your responses. My experiences have been:

Met a wg via a dating website. Said she wanted a boyfriend. Not really for me as she was fucked up.  Never slept with her

Met an ex wg via a dating website. Fucking lunatic. Best deep throat blow job ever had. I mean fucking balls deep. Saw her just the once. She started to tell me I should avoid working girls!

Met an ex wig via a dating website. Travelled to see her in hotel where after dinner she insisted we only did anal. She loved it.  Never repeated

Chatted to a wg on a dating website who was surprised I wanted to talk to her as I had punted her. I said at least I know u are a dirty fuck. Went no where

Fucked a couple of girls who I met via dating websites for money. I guess they see my pic and can only fuck guys they fancy or at least are nor repulsed by!

I thank you!


vorian

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Shes not on AW i booked her thru an agency

Have you got a link to that agency and of course her name please. Thanks

herelonely

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It was on our 2nd meet. We got personal with each other and I ended asking her for her real name which she gave me. I teased her that I didnt believe her so she showed me her license.

We ended up getting each others number facebook email and I even got her postcode where she lives.

She invited me to Egg Club but we havent gone yet. As am dutch she told me it would be fun if I took her to Amsterdam and lived happily ever (said she was kidding)

I thnk she doesnt see me as a client due to my age 23. She kept saying how fun it was to be with someone her age.

Oh dear :(
Am I the only obe seeing tell tale signs (asking real names,  she treats me differently,  won't share link  :rose:)...
Tred carefully my friend,  with VERY odd exceptions these things are either the punter reading too much into stuff or some thing will happen that in time you'll regret.
And bear in mind how facebook works, are you totally happy that every one of your friends on there could link through to her and discover the puntinb hobby? (Think colleagues,  parents...)

Riot Doll

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It was on our 2nd meet. We got personal with each other and I ended asking her for her real name which she gave me. I teased her that I didnt believe her so she showed me her license.

We ended up getting each others number facebook email and I even got her postcode where she lives.

She invited me to Egg Club but we havent gone yet. As am dutch she told me it would be fun if I took her to Amsterdam and lived happily ever (said she was kidding)

I thnk she doesnt see me as a client due to my age 23. She kept saying how fun it was to be with someone her age.

Are you by any chance related to Trenlover?

bumgarner

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Oh dear :(
Am I the only obe seeing tell tale signs (asking real names,  she treats me differently,  won't share link  :rose:)...
Tred carefully my friend,  with VERY odd exceptions these things are either the punter reading too much into stuff or some thing will happen that in time you'll regret.
And bear in mind how facebook works, are you totally happy that every one of your friends on there could link through to her and discover the puntinb hobby? (Think colleagues,  parents...)

Easy guys I take punting for fun. Just have a good time and thats it. Am not looking for any hookups or gf.

I just had this experience that was different thats all. Am new to this so I thought it wasnt a big deal asking the girl for her real name (u guys think it is).

She sent me a friend request on FB which I havent accepted yet or the clubbing invite.

SirFrank

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Mate you are onto one there. I was seeing a bird recently who was filthy in bed, a different league of kinkiness.

After that we enter a mental period, she was all over the place. Absolutely tapped. A different league of fucked up .

+1 to this comment.

Indeed. There's a direct correlation between crazy birds and fucking. I was once knocking off a student nurse who turned out to be fucking bonkers but was dirty as fuck. She also had big feet and a very big fanny and wanted cock all the time. I knocked it on the head in the end because she was headwork and wouldn't stop pawing me. She also liked it up the arse. Well when I say like that may be a bit misleading but she took it up the wrong on and it was considerably tighter than her twat. The first time I did her brown eye she said don't come in my arse to which I replied ooops

Whoremonger

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First time poster long time lerker..

A few years back a friend of mine pulled a prossie at our local massage parlour and took her out for diner a couple days later. While they're eating he goes to the toilet and leaves his mobile on the table, the cheeky bitch looks through his messages and see some from his real misses. He came back to her going mad, shouting he's a cunt and she's "not that type of girl" then she storms off lol. :wacko:


Aspen

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I can't believe that anyone would seriously consider dating a WG. They treat all men the same whether they are a client or not. I got to know one WG quite well. Was never a client with her, she told me what she did, and you could tell from her attitude that she had a very low regard of men. Her friends were all the same. You could tell which ones were in the same line of work just by the way they interacted with guys. They make you feel you're inconsequential.

Kaffeine Monsta

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I think you're dead right, vorian.  When will they [I should say, "we"; I've been as guilty. :thumbsdown:] ever learn?

If you're reading this, bumgarner, try these two posts:

They're really only two recent examples of comments on this subject and, as I've implied above, I am one who knows whereof he speaks.

I don't see why dating a WG is bad. We're all human. But I think some people have boundaries and so some escorts may not take things any further. For example, I work with care workers who have to remind me of the stipulations as I know they know I get lonely. One of them is really nice, but I'll never be dating her in my lifetime. She'll eventually leave the job and that unfortunately will be it.

Offline mattylondon

I can't believe that anyone would seriously consider dating a WG. They treat all men the same whether they are a client or not. I got to know one WG quite well. Was never a client with her, she told me what she did, and you could tell from her attitude that she had a very low regard of men. Her friends were all the same. You could tell which ones were in the same line of work just by the way they interacted with guys. They make you feel you're inconsequential.
Most of them have a very low regard for men and have generally been fucked over by them, so it may be for a good reason. Whilst they hold their youth and sexual power over men, you don't see it manifest itself so much. Of course, when they're older and  their sexual hold over men wanes, as a result of men switching their loyalty to younger and fitter girls, the resentment and bitterness creeps in. This is why I believe that prostitution is a young woman's game.  :hi:

This doesn't just apply to a prostitute, of course. It apples to many women in general.  :hi:
« Last Edit: March 06, 2014, 06:58:02 am by mattylondon »

Aspen

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Most of them have a very low regard for men and have generally been fucked over by them, so it may be for a good reason. Whilst they hold their youth and sexual power over men, you don't see it manifest itself so much. Of course, when they're older and  their sexual hold over men wanes, as a result of men switching their loyalty to younger and fitter girls, the resentment and bitterness creeps in. This is why I believe that prostitution is a young woman's game. 

This doesn't just apply to a prostitute, of course. It apples to many women in general.

Dead right.

I personally found sex with older women just as good, apart from the very experienced younger ones, but the trouble is that most of them are just not interested. What is puzzling is that they just do not understand that it is not the same for us.

What you say about younger girls is true, but it's not the driving force. In fact when I started punting I usually avoided girls under about 30. But then I had a couple of very good punts with girls in the 18 - 22 range. Most of them are rubbish, but when you find a good one they are really good. Usually because they are having their five a day and after a year they know what they are doing.

SeasonalPunter

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