Better safety

[BigTonto]

I have recently read a review of an OP being robbed and not really knowing what to do.

I'm guessing some are a bit paranoid going to punts i.e. only taking correct money etc. Maybe taking something else incase they endup in a bad situation.

On my last 5 punts I have downloaded a free app called ' voice recorder', and it allows me to leave my Phn in my pocket while at a punt and it clearly picks up all convo, moans and groans etc.

I don't no if this is illegal but couldn't really give a fuck. I understand that there's a chance they'll take your Phn etc aswel but with it being a free app, it costs nothing to use this safety measure.

It seems to me to be a no brainer when it comes to being your word against somebody else's because I'm sure I have read in the past about guys being extorted etc but as with anything it's a hard thing to prove.

If the punt goes to plan you can delete it and move on, or keep the recordings of all punts for the wank bank. 

Anybody any thoughts on this?

[Matrix]

I have recently read a review of an OP being robbed and not really knowing what to do.

I'm guessing some are a bit paranoid going to punts i.e. only taking correct money etc. Maybe taking something else incase they endup in a bad situation.

On my last 5 punts I have downloaded a free app called ' voice recorder', and it allows me to leave my Phn in my pocket while at a punt and it clearly picks up all convo, moans and groans etc.

I don't no if this is illegal but couldn't really give a fuck. I understand that there's a chance they'll take your Phn etc aswel but with it being a free app, it costs nothing to use this safety measure.

It seems to me to be a no brainer when it comes to being your word against somebody else's because I'm sure I have read in the past about guys being extorted etc but as with anything it's a hard thing to prove.

If the punt goes to plan you can delete it and move on, or keep the recordings of all punts for the wank bank. 

Anybody any thoughts on this?

Dodgy.

[BigTonto]

Dodgy.

Thought it would be slightly dodgy matrix but can't be as dodgy as some of the situations some punters have been in.

Is it illegal?

[Matrix]

Thought it would be slightly dodgy matrix but can't be as dodgy as some of the situations some punters have been in.

Is it illegal?

You need permission to record on private property.

[BigTonto]

Knew it be something along they lines but I suppose there's a lot worse illegal things going on in punters or WGs pockets than a free app on a lock screen Phn, there is literally no way of knowing.

[Matrix]

Knew it be something along they lines but I suppose there's a lot worse illegal things going on in punters or WGs pockets than a free app on a lock screen Phn, there is literally no way of knowing.

You could use that logic to justify carrying a firearm. People would be a lot less likely to fuck with you.

[BigTonto]

You could use that logic to justify carrying a firearm. People would be a lot less likely to fuck with you.

Your hardly gonna get the jail for an app. If your gonna take a firearm, then you've gotta take the food, so 5yrs for 1 and 5yrs for the other.

Let's not get carried away now.

[Matrix]

Your hardly gonna get the jail for an app. If your gonna take a firearm, then you've gotta take the food, so 5yrs for 1 and 5yrs for the other.

Let's not get carried away now.

If the purpose is to stay safe. Having an app that nobody knows about won't stop you getting ripped off. Brandishing a firearm would.

[BigTonto]

If the purpose is to stay safe. Having an app that nobody knows about won't stop you getting ripped off. Brandishing a firearm would.

Your missing my point it's not to prevent anything happening, it's to make things easier should you be in a position it's your word against somebody else's.

Brandishing a firearm will prevent it happening but it will also get you 5 yrs in the process for brandishing it.

Point being, not robbed but doing 5yr 

It's backup for scrapping a bad situation, or 1 which may follow.

[David1970]

I always
Use a false name, my punting name.
Use only a punting phone
Park out of sight of flat.
Take only punting phone, correct money and car keys to meet.
Leave in car: wallet, all keys except car keys, any id of any type.
Walk to and from flat from different direction of car.
Always ask to go to the toilet, so I get a sence of the flat, ( TV on, voices etc).
If I get the sence something is wrong, I make my excuses and leave.
When returning to car walk past it cross the road then walk back seeing if anyone is following me.

May seem a bit OTT to some but it keeps me safe.

[myothernameis]

If you were to get robbed, and have recorded the conversation, I would think the police might take a dim view of this, and instead of the escort being arrested, its your self

Don't think anyone here can really advise, I think you should contact your local police and ask advice, and all you need is a disposable email address, and you don't even need to use your real name

[Matrix]

Your missing my point it's not to prevent anything happening, it's to make things easier should you be in a position it's your word against somebody else's.

Brandishing a firearm will prevent it happening but it will also get you 5 yrs in the process for brandishing it.

Point being, not robbed but doing 5yr 

It's backup for scrapping a bad situation, or 1 which may follow.

You're missing the point if you think i was advocating taking a firearm to a punt. 

You asked and I answered. It's not legal.

[BigTonto]

I always
Use a false name, my punting name.
Use only a punting phone
Park out of sight of flat.
Take only punting phone, correct money and car keys to meet.
Leave in car: wallet, all keys except car keys, any id of any type.
Walk to and from flat from different direction of car.
Always ask to go to the toilet, so I get a sence of the flat, ( TV on, voices etc).
If I get the sence something is wrong, I make my excuses and leave.
When returning to car walk past it cross the road then walk back seeing if anyone is following me.

May seem a bit OTT to some but it keeps me safe.

Can never be to precautios david, but no matter if you follow all these safety precautions, you have still gotta get past the little scroat with the bat etc in the hallway on way out. There's a negative review on Layla stark Dunfermline.

I agree with all that's said but it's more often than not gonna be in the actual punt. Sometimes empty pockets will get you cracked whereas if you have it recorded and they don't take your Phn, you have the full event recorded to deal with it in whatever way you like

[Matrix]

If somebodies willing to bat you for having empty pockets, I'd imagine they'll be taking any phone you'll have on you, if you allow them too.


Minimise the risks and be prepared to walk.

[BigTonto]

If you were to get robbed, and have recorded the conversation, I would think the police might take a dim view of this, and instead of the escort being arrested, its your self

Don't think anyone here can really advise, I think you should contact your local police and ask advice, and all you need is a disposable email address, and you don't even need to use your real name

Thanks for the advice but I know fairly well how things work regarding the rotten mob. If it's a serious enough matter for anybody to go to the police, it may be illegal but they turn a blind eye bcoz " that's no what we are hear for". Bit like if u witness a crime while doing something you shouldn't, you won't be prosecuted but they will want you to help procecute the crime in question. If u never seen or heard nothing after saying you did you will be threatened with procecution yourself. Aslong as the crime is minor compared to the 1 you are accusing and I'm guessing an apps less than getting a bat or blade pointed at you and rinsed

[BigTonto]

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[Dman88]

Seems like you’re being a bit of a nonse to be honest.

[BigTonto]

Seems like you’re being a bit of a nonse to be honest.

A nonse?? Your sick head is obviously looking at it different to mine.

It’s not pics at the school gates ya knob. Also it’s not illegal so what am I a legal nonse?

“ To be honest you’ve fuckall to bk up your claim “

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[amber deen]

I would find it extremely weird if I found a client recording us having sex even if it was just a voice recording... It does not really make you any safer it might give you a better chance of pressing charges if something happened but that is not making you safer from anything... Avoiding junkies and doing a bit of research on girls is probably a better option, if your so paranoid that your going to be mugged or beaten on every booking then I don't know why you put yourself through the stress, I'm not sure how often punters get attacked or robbed, but I know it happens to most working girls at least once during there time doing this, as we can do no research on our clients would you be happy if I told you that I was going to record my clients having sex with me? Would you not feel it was a breach of privacy

[Morpheus]

I’m not sure about the legality, but it doesn’t feel right.
Would it be OK for escorts to use this app to record every punter on the basis that they have been threatened in the past? Does that feel OK to you?

Secondly, what do you intend to do with this recording? It would have to be a very explicit threat for the police to take up your case, and you will have no anonymity in these proceedings. If the police aren’t interested, you could try a private prosecution or a civil case. Good luck with that.

[BigTonto]

I’m not sure about the legality, but it doesn’t feel right.
Would it be OK for escorts to use this app to record every punter on the basis that they have been threatened in the past? Does that feel OK to you?

Secondly, what do you intend to do with this recording? It would have to be a very explicit threat for the police to take up your case, and you will have no anonymity in these proceedings. If the police aren’t interested, you could try a private prosecution or a civil case. Good luck with that.

I understand all the points been made and that’s why I brought it to discussion. If a WG recorded me I wouldn’t of been impressed but as it stands we would never no unless they told us, but if a WG recorded me I would take it to be for alterior motives to possibly blackmail, extort etc but if I had it recorded and so did she then I wouldn’t be arsed at all. She only has what I have also.

I’ve heard horror story’s about punters being drugged, robbed etc and this has come from a WGs pocket, bag etc. We will never know bcoz we have no interest until an incident takes place, and that’s the attitude I have about the Phn in my pocket. If we have nothing to hide it shouldn’t be a problem both ways but I would say that if I was aware I was getting recorded I wouldn’t go, but somethings are better off left unknown, quite possibly this thread but it’s not for WGs it’s for punters.

Punters get put off all the time by going to punts and there being other ppl in the building, this is not co-incidental, it’s for the safety aspect. Nobody finds out if it’s 3guys or 1 bird, they are there for a reason though.

If there’s nobody in the building apart from you and the prossie then I’d say through experience they have things readily available should anything go wrong, also for there safety.

I have no problems with any of the above as long as I’m unaware but I’m not gullible enough to think it doesn’t happen.

[BigTonto]

I’m not sure about the legality, but it doesn’t feel right.
Would it be OK for escorts to use this app to record every punter on the basis that they have been threatened in the past? Does that feel OK to you?

Secondly, what do you intend to do with this recording? It would have to be a very explicit threat for the police to take up your case, and you will have no anonymity in these proceedings.

Strictly for cases where punters get dipped, battered, extorted, or just false allegations made against or threats towards.

I would say that if your gonna get robbed your Phn will get left IMO, bcoz if you get robbed of your Phn then it’s easier to prove it’s yours, unlike your money.

I’m assuming there’s as many punters had incidents than there is WGs if not more, therefore the punters safety is a lot worse than the WGs.

[Punter115]

Me thinks you would be better listening to Amber ....nothing is 100% guaranteed , do your homework beforehand and if in doubt don’t  !!!   

[peter purves]

You need permission to record on private property.

Under which statute is this?

Cheers!!

[Clattypats]

I’m assuming there’s as many punters had incidents than there is WGs if not more, therefore the punters safety is a lot worse than the WGs.

I personally think you assume wrong here ...I don't profess to know the stats at all though...

A WG will see a higher % of punters day on day, week on week etc, than a Punter will see WGs...Therefore the percentage of incidences that happen involving a WG will be higher than that of a Punter IMO...I could very much be mistaken though....

[Astarter]

This guy is one scary motherfucker. I certainly wouldn't want to be the one caught at the other end of one his recordings. He pretends he initiated the post on the basis that he was wondering if doing this was ok and all the while admitting he had already done it five times recently anyway. As much as I can't prove it, this guy sounds at the least weird and at the worst very dangerous.

[Punter115]

I’m assuming there’s as many punters had incidents than there is WGs if not more, therefore the punters safety is a lot worse than the WGs.

Me thinks you are definitely wrong in your analysis unless the punter is having on average 4 to 6 punts most days which would be impossible. I am beginning to wonder if you are operating with a full deck ??

[BigTonto]

I personally think you assume wrong here ...I don't profess to know the stats at all though...

A WG will see a higher % of punters day on day, week on week etc, than a Punter will see WGs...Therefore the percentage of incidences that happen involving a WG will be higher than that of a Punter IMO...I could very much be mistaken though....

Going off what your saying clatty i would like to think you are correct, but IMO I think the WG has always a better chance of fucking us than we have them.

It’s not hard to think it be easier for us to rob a WG for a days money as to them robbing us, but it never seems to happen that way, but as stated we have no stats but through word of mouth it’s the punters who always come unstuck.

Suppose it depends on who’s mouth your listening to though

[Clattypats]

Going off what your saying clatty i would like to think you are correct, but IMO I think the WG has always a better chance of fucking us than we have them.

It’s not hard to think it be easier for us to rob a WG for a days money as to them robbing us, but it never seems to happen that way, but as stated we have no stats but through word of mouth it’s the punters who always come unstuck.

Suppose it depends on who’s mouth your listening to though

I would tend to think an Indy WG is more vulnerable, over the piece, than a Punter is...and that's not based on who's word of mouth I, or anyone may be listening to...

Have you had a bad experience, by chance...As you are pretty adamant...

[BigTonto]

I’m assuming there’s as many punters had incidents than there is WGs if not more, therefore the punters safety is a lot worse than the WGs.

Me thinks you are definitely wrong in your analysis unless the punter is having on average 4 to 6 punts most days which would be impossible. I am beginning to wonder if you are operating with a full deck ??

Your clearly to worried about my deck and not your own.

If a WG sees 4-6 ppl a day which is correct, and there safety is worse than ours then why is it never prossies being robbed.

I only hear about punters. An if you wanna be technical then if each punter seen as many WGs then our safety would be far more at risk than there’s if it’s not already

[Clattypats]

I only hear about punters. An if you wanna be technical then if each punter seen as many WGs then our safety would be far more at risk than there’s if it’s not already

Does that not depend on "who's word of mouth" you are hearing it from then... You're totally contradicting yourself here...

[Courtney]

Have you had a bad experience, by chance...As you are pretty adamant...

Perhaps he is telling us more than he realises.

keep the recordings of all punts for the wank bank. 

[BigTonto]

I would tend to think an Indy WG is more vulnerable, over the piece, than a Punter is...and that's not based on who's word of mouth I, or anyone may be listening to...

Have you had a bad experience, by chance...As you are pretty adamant...

No bad experiences to date clatty, but heard about a cpl personally and read about a few aswel, a cpl and a few more than I have hoors but maybe I’m looking in the wrong places.

Amber or whoever says it’s possibly once in a lifetime and that’s with  however many punters a day, maybe 1in 100/ 150 punters a mth. I barely know that amount of ppl but I do no 3-5 ppl that could tell me about a sketchy punt in there time

[vw]

I’m assuming there’s as many punters had incidents than there is WGs if not more, therefore the punters safety is a lot worse than the WGs.

Would you be ok with prossies recording you?  I wouldn't i think its a lowlife trick either way. 

How it will keep you safe is beyond me?

[Clattypats]

I barely know that amount of ppl but I do no 3-5 ppl that could tell me about a sketchy punt in there time

Hang about with alot of other punters, do you...Discussing bad experiences...and recording shit...

[BigTonto]

Hang about with alot of other punters, do you...Discussing bad experiences...and recording shit...

As a group of friends clatty I don’t no anybody off hand who I can say has never had a punt, between
Aquarius, park grove, Carlton club, bubbles, Thailand and various other places I tend to go in a group as to a solo weirdo so your answer is no.

Clearly seems a tad odd to you to know a fellow punter.

You must either have no mates or keep it locked in your closet as your dirty little secret. Each to there own

What’s your stats on punters not knowing fellow punters? As close to the middle of a doughnut as you will get.

As for the ‘recording shit’ it’s not a secret and it’s legal,  we all don’t think like yourself. It’s a bigger secret for you to declare you use this site than it is me about recording or I wouldn’t of mentioned it so don’t get yourself uptight.

[BigTonto]

Would you be ok with prossies recording you?  I wouldn't i think its a lowlife trick either way. 

How it will keep you safe is beyond me?

Not unless I could record them also.

[Clattypats]

As for the ‘recording shit’ it’s not a secret

So you tell the WGs you are recording/going to record them?  ...I suppose they're fine with it!...

Don't worry about me, I'm not uptight at all...Just reckon you are a creepy, trolling Twat, that is slightly "unhinged"....

[vw]

Not unless I could record them also.

banned, undesirable.   

[Punter115]

Definitely not working with a full deck ....paranoia running mad !!!

[Courtney]

I had to laugh at this one....

Your the only mongo on hear!!

...can’t even write properly.

[amber deen]

I said at least once not possibly once. Also how can a man be in more danger than a girl In general men are much stronger than females and much more capable in any physical alteration, as for saying you hear it happen to punters a lot more, as a WG sometimes punters tell me of things happening to them and I hear it a lot from other WGs on forums... That you won't be on of course.

Iv never heard from a punter of any violence to them more things of there wallet being swiped and so on which yes would be upsetting and is not nice but it's not the end of the world. Where as with WGs iv heard of numerous physical assaults, groups of guys forcing there way in, armed robbery and so on. Most girls will never work from somewhere on there own and most punters know this it's usually another girl but even so this would leave them vulnerable. I honestly think if your that worried you need to record then you probably should not punt as if I was that scared of working that I felt the need to record or have cctv all over the house then I wouldn't work as I would be to scared.

I think you need to be realistic and realise it is not a frequent thing, only seeing reviewed girls minimises this not going to terrible areas minimises this avoiding drug addict, avoiding late night appointments and so on

There is a lot of steps you can take to stop the incident happening in the first place rather than have some evidence after.  Prevention of such incidents is better than being able to get revenge or press charges after you have been hurt or robbed

[Clattypats]

Well, the Fuckwit is banned now ...so we don't have to read anymore of his Bullshit...

[auldie63]

And misspelled rubbish at that. The saunas he mentioned have been shut for fucking years! 

[steelman]

  Damn he away. He really was getting comical. Suppose he is now getting rewired to what ever planet he came from. Hope they wire him properly as he could record the them.

[Matrix]

Under which statute is this?

Cheers!!

Fuck knows. You lot have your own laws.

You can record what you like in public, within reason. You cannot film on private property without permission. As the snippet said, "Anywhere somebody has an expectation of privacy".

[zag69]

What's really funny about this loony tune is getting banned from a punting website for being "Undesirable"   

[Tobash]

Big Tonto has a valid point Imo,  the reason being I recall a few months back a case being heard whereas the victim had cctv although it was done illegally he caught someone committing a crime he was convicted as it was a case where the victim had been put in a threatening situation the culprit got done for this and the victim got a mild warning reminding him that the cctv was illegal but it saved him from future harassment in my view and if he hadn't had cctv the culprit would still be out there terrorising. I'm trying to remember the case and where it was but can't seem to hit the nail on the head.

[Givememilf]

Big Tonto has a valid point Imo,  the reason being I recall a few months back a case being heard whereas the victim had cctv although it was done illegally he caught someone committing a crime he was convicted as it was a case where the victim had been put in a threatening situation the culprit got done for this and the victim got a mild warning reminding him that the cctv was illegal but it saved him from future harassment in my view and if he hadn't had cctv the culprit would still be out there terrorising. I'm trying to remember the case and where it was but can't seem to hit the nail on the head.

I get it mate. It's hard to remember things that never happened.... the dude was a weird, creepy voyuer. Nothing more. The safety thing was a smokescreen, he was just looking for validation for his behaviour. (It's pretty obvious)

You've chosen the wrong hill to die on buddy.

[Tobash]

I get it mate. It's hard to remember things that never happened.... the dude was a weird, creepy voyuer. Nothing more. The safety thing was a smokescreen, he was just looking for validation for his behaviour. (It's pretty obvious)

You've chosen the wrong hill to die on buddy.

Fair enough mate thanks for clearing that up