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Offline Mikeh38

Is that why she is an ex Sandy's girl

Assume ex as in sacked rather than redundant

Many ex SS girls have moved on to go indie Amy, Zoe etc  others left Carmen, Victoria etc so they are all classed as ex SS

BTW I don't believe one word of the guy who said coke was rife at SS

Offline HKS15

I had heard off an ex Sandys girl that taking coke was rife in that place. I know they "publicly" had a strict no drugs policy, but I do recall seeing a few girls with the runny nose in the room. Not sure if it was sour grapes or whatever but I had no reason to disbelieve this particular girl.

Very much doubt that, they were so careful with the obvious things that could have got them raided. I spoke to an SS girl who worked at TWL and she said that drugs were rife there and Sandys didn't tolerate anything like that.

Offline Blackpool Rock

Very much doubt that, they were so careful with the obvious things that could have got them raided. I spoke to an SS girl who worked at TWL and she said that drugs were rife there and Sandys didn't tolerate anything like that.
I had the same convo a few years back with an ex TWL girl who said the place closing probably "saved her" from the drugs as it was rife at TWL but not tolerated at SS.
Same girl perhaps, I'm thinking bright red hair  :unknown:

Offline HKS15

I had the same convo a few years back with an ex TWL girl who said the place closing probably "saved her" from the drugs as it was rife at TWL but not tolerated at SS.
Same girl perhaps, I'm thinking bright red hair  :unknown:

Nah, this was a popular brunette with a distinctive bar through one of her nipples. At the same time she was going on about how much she loves coke in her personal life though. Classy bird.

Offline Access

Is that why she is an ex Sandy's girl

Assume ex as in sacked rather than redundant
I don't know. Like I said I wasn't sure if it was true, or just sour grapes.

Offline Access

Many ex SS girls have moved on to go indie Amy, Zoe etc  others left Carmen, Victoria etc so they are all classed as ex SS

BTW I don't believe one word of the guy who said coke was rife at SS
I never said coke was rife, I said an ex SS girl had told me. This was going back quite a few years just to clarify, and not an ex SS girl due to the recent closure. The girl in question moved from SS to The Head Office (the name always made me chuckle) in Stoke. She had put on a little weight and was complaining she was getting fat, I actually said she looked better for it and she went on to tell me it was she was I longer at SS and no longer doing the amount of coke she was there. The convo went on from there. Like I said, I'm not making the claim and it could have been said out of sour grapes? Maybe sacked for doing coke etc.

Offline con-a-ser

I don't know. Like I said I wasn't sure if it was true, or just sour grapes.

Like I said is that why she is ex
I know a lot of girls who have left SS because they didn't like it & what a slave driver Sandy was
To see them turn up on the rota the week after

Maybe name the girl & we can decide if she left on good or bad terms

Offline con-a-ser

Many ex SS girls have moved on to go indie Amy, Zoe etc  others left Carmen, Victoria etc so they are all classed as ex SS

BTW I don't believe one word of the guy who said coke was rife at SS

I used to always get offered a coffee or can of coke & that is the only Coke I have seen in there
Well if any one wants to be arsy & contradict me there was Regular & diet coke available

But if the girl is named we can decide over the terms she left in & possible even know the reason

Offline Access

Is it right for me to name her? Ok, it was Faith... admin can remove the name if they feel it's wrong for me to name her. As far as I know she's not working now anyway.

Offline Blackpool Rock

Is it right for me to name her? Ok, it was Faith... admin can remove the name if they feel it's wrong for me to name her. As far as I know she's not working now anyway.
Didn't see her myself so I can't comment but should be OK to name her, apparently these girls don't actually use their real names anyway  :unknown:  :hi:

Offline Mikeh38

Is it right for me to name her? Ok, it was Faith... admin can remove the name if they feel it's wrong for me to name her. As far as I know she's not working now anyway.
I saw Faith and there was no doubt she was a coke head her service was appalling she sniffed all the way through the booking.

 She was sacked that day

Offline Access

I saw Faith and there was no doubt she was a coke head her service was appalling she sniffed all the way through the booking.

 She was sacked that day
Faith was there for a long time. How do you know she was sacked that day?

Offline con-a-ser

I saw Faith and there was no doubt she was a coke head her service was appalling she sniffed all the way through the booking.

 She was sacked that day

So it looks like it was Rife that day but the problem was sorted & a no drug policy was reinstated the day after

See without naming her the three of us had different opinions Mike38, Access & myself

Access saying there was drugs there, Me & Mike saying we didn't think Sandy's was run like that now we find out the coke head was sacked & we all agree that the problem was sorted she was sacked so probably sour grapes or am I just making assumptions

Offline Robert44

In the last two years of using Sandys regularly, pretty much every week, I never saw any signs of this going on. Although, I did hear things but never actually saw any evidence. I liked the way Sandy could keep everything in order and so well run.

There again, I have heard thngs about drug taking with high end agency girls, through to various parlour girls. It stands to reason than in a job like that, sucking various blokes cocks all day, it's bound to rake it's toll on any young woman. So no doubt the Sandys girls would also not be immune.

Offline Access

These women will shag up to 15 men a day so are bound to need a pick me up. You'd be naive to think they would drink red bull. Just because they say the don't tolerate drugs (pretty everywhere say they have a no drug policy), it doesn't mean it doesn't happen. By announcing they have a zero tolerance approach, the police will leave them to it. Also, it's not hard for a girl in any parlour to take a bag of coke in and powder their nose on a break.

Offline dubs

These women will shag up to 15 men a day so are bound to need a pick me up. You'd be naive to think they would drink red bull. Just because they say the don't tolerate drugs (pretty everywhere say they have a no drug policy), it doesn't mean it doesn't happen. By announcing they have a zero tolerance approach, the police will leave them to it. Also, it's not hard for a girl in any parlour to take a bag of coke in and powder their nose on a break.

I think some of the girls suffered after the smoking ban in work places was introduced.  They couldn't hang around outside in their heels and stockings so they just had to suffer nicotine withdrawal if they were busy.

Having seen "sexy" victoria when she hadn't had a cig for 4 hours, I made sure I only saw non smokers after that.

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These women will shag up to 15 men a day so are bound to need a pick me up. You'd be naive to think they would drink red bull. Just because they say the don't tolerate drugs (pretty everywhere say they have a no drug policy), it doesn't mean it doesn't happen. By announcing they have a zero tolerance approach, the police will leave them to it. Also, it's not hard for a girl in any parlour to take a bag of coke in and powder their nose on a break.

Indeed, unless its obvious a punter wouldn't know if a WG was on illegal drugs necessarily, I can smell Skunk, I cant smell some class A drugs though, and if devious such a WG would hide the signs of usage like tin foil and water bottles with a hole in them. I can sometimes tell a WG is wired and that could be illegal or prescription drugs, not my scene nowadays.

The Police will only leave any brothel to it if it suits them to do so, something sparked them to raid and close Sandys, and I obviously have no idea whether that was drug related or not. If it had been I would of thought the local press would of picked it up and someone would of spotted the article/s and posted it/them on here. But who knows.

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Who would have thought that Arabesque would outlive Sandys Superstars ,eh ?

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Who would have thought that Arabesque would outlive Sandys Superstars ,eh ?
Shocking isn't it? Sandys was fantastic. As was WFB

Offline Blackpool Rock

Who would have thought that Arabesque would outlive Sandys Superstars ,eh ?
Yeah i've never been to Arabesque and never would however i think it has a universally bad name for thinks like drink; drugs and bareback.
Even heard a story of a girl who was so off her face she fell asleep in the room while guys barebacked her, now all this could be total shit but there must be some truth to the goings on for it to be so widespread.

The authorities may have used the brothel connection to originally investigate and raid Sandys but i'm not sure how they could close it on this basis ahead of other places which indicates the underlying reason isn't prostitution / running a brothel.
Now Arabesque; LMB and GFE etc are all in Bury but presumably they still come under the control of GMP?

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Arabesque had a no drugs policy, they just never enforced it very well! I remember the notices on the wall in reception, they also fit covert cameras (dummy pir detectors) in the rooms and the bathroom to try and keep an eye on what the girls were up to. the cameras soon got sussed and were disconnected in the rooms but not the bathroom.

Offline HKS15

Any updates regarding the court case of the owners, or any ideas when it'll be? Feel like being nosey.

Offline delta69

Any updates regarding the court case of the owners, or any ideas when it'll be? Feel like being nosey.
it's probably shut down for good

Offline HKS15

it's probably shut down for good

I think that's a given, the raid was months ago. I was wondering when Sandy, Mark and Adrian/Merv were in the docks for running the place. Interested to hear the actual backstory as to why it was raided and the amount of money they'll have to pay back under POCA too.

Offline dubs

Any updates regarding the court case of the owners, or any ideas when it'll be? Feel like being nosey.

As it is most likely a tax evasion issue, it will take a while to gather the evidence to create a good case for the CPS to bring to court, especially as Sandys' "employees" will be difficult to trace and be very unwilling to release their records if they even kept any.

I wonder if they will be going after popular but now retired girls who have moved out of the industry like Victoria, Claudia etc.

Offline Blackpool Rock

it's probably shut down for good
I was told rightly or wrongly that Prestwich has been stripped out as the premises are council owned.
If this is the case then there's little hope of it opening again under new management anytime soon in a similar way to TWL reopening as GFE.

Offline Blackpool Rock

As it is most likely a tax evasion issue, it will take a while to gather the evidence to create a good case for the CPS to bring to court, especially as Sandys' "employees" will be difficult to trace and be very unwilling to release their records if they even kept any.

I wonder if they will be going after popular but now retired girls who have moved out of the industry like Victoria, Claudia etc.
Likelihood is tax as never any signs of drugs or trafficking etc but i'm sure it will all come out in the end, anyone know if there's any truth to them hiring top legal representation from the States?

Offline dubs

Likelihood is tax as never any signs of drugs or trafficking etc but i'm sure it will all come out in the end, anyone know if there's any truth to them hiring top legal representation from the States?

Maybe if he's an ex-customer and they have CCTV of him ;)

Offline HKS15

As it is most likely a tax evasion issue, it will take a while to gather the evidence to create a good case for the CPS to bring to court, especially as Sandys' "employees" will be difficult to trace and be very unwilling to release their records if they even kept any.

I wonder if they will be going after popular but now retired girls who have moved out of the industry like Victoria, Claudia etc.

They will have one of those girls' records for other reasons.

I was told rightly or wrongly that Prestwich has been stripped out as the premises are council owned.
If this is the case then there's little hope of it opening again under new management anytime soon in a similar way to TWL reopening as GFE.

I would be very surprised if Prestwich was council owned.

Likelihood is tax as never any signs of drugs or trafficking etc but i'm sure it will all come out in the end, anyone know if there's any truth to them hiring top legal representation from the States?

They certainly have the money to, they're bloody loaded, Sandy and her husband own a mansion in Cheshire and Merv owns a small plane. Wouldn't be surprised to see a several million pound POCA figure.

It seems that it's certainly tax related, HMRC appear to have been focusing heavily on cash in hand businesses over the past year, not just brothels but legit businesses too.

Offline dubs

They will have one of those girls' records for other reasons.


Sounds interesting ...  PM me  :hi:

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They will have one of those girls' records for other reasons.

I would be very surprised if Prestwich was council owned.

They certainly have the money to, they're bloody loaded, Sandy and her husband own a mansion in Cheshire and Merv owns a small plane. Wouldn't be surprised to see a several million pound POCA figure.


You need to correct that to "part owns a small plane". If you know where to look, you can even get the registration details of the plane.

You'd be right about the Prestwich branch not being council owned. Again, if you know how to do a back search, you'll even be lucky enough to find out who the letting agents are (or else you can get full ownership details for a mere £3 via the Land Registry).

Bringing in an American legal beagle is going to do them a fat load of good unless he is, first, allowed to practise in the UK, and second, knowledgeable about English criminal law. One interesting thing with Brexit that will have a bearing on this case is that once the trial takes place, along with any probable appeals, the UK will be out of the EU, in which case any possible appeals to the ECJ will be impossible (although they may still attempt to go to the European Court of Human Rights).

If the cops want the details of all the staff, they'll have no problem with this, as it is fairly common knowledge that Sandy, like a number of other parlour owners, kept records of the staff when she took them on (eg passports).

What I'd be wondering about is how many guys are now on the records of the cops as known punters. Every guy who was a Sandys member may have simply given them a false name when enrolling, but that name would be on the database of clients and who has seen which WG on what date. Tie that up with possible phone calls received on a certain date, not to mention credit card details and recorded images on the CCTV for who knows how many weeks before the raid occurred, and you are onto a tasty list of punting mugs numbering into the hundreds, if not thousands.

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Well being a punter ain't illegal.  And with regards to credit cards then either stolen or the punters using don't give a monkeys.  Might be the very occasional fuck-wit where being a punter might be an issue.  The rozzers have better things to do.  If i ever get a phonecall from them i'll ask them to rate my performance.  They'll get the message & i would politely tell them to fuck off & better spend their efforts catching criminals.  Like the woman wasn't trafficked or under age & was under no duress from me.  So go fuck yourselves
Unfortunately only visited twice - reviews on here.  With 'Jordan'.  On 3rd visit, which didn't happen, on my to-do list was to get her mobile for some private 1-2-1.  She's now on AW so must follow this up
Hope you all like my 'SS burds where are they now' thread

What I'd be wondering about is how many guys are now on the records of the cops as known punters. Every guy who was a Sandys member may have simply given them a false name when enrolling, but that name would be on the database of clients and who has seen which WG on what date. Tie that up with possible phone calls received on a certain date, not to mention credit card details and recorded images on the CCTV for who knows how many weeks before the raid occurred, and you are onto a tasty list of punting mugs numbering into the hundreds, if not thousands.

Offline HKS15

One interesting thing with Brexit that will have a bearing on this case is that once the trial takes place, along with any probable appeals, the UK will be out of the EU, in which case any possible appeals to the ECJ will be impossible (although they may still attempt to go to the European Court of Human Rights).

We're not leaving the EU until 2019, I'd be surprised if the trial was 2 years away?

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What I'd be wondering about is how many guys are now on the records of the cops as known punters. Every guy who was a Sandys member may have simply given them a false name when enrolling, but that name would be on the database of clients and who has seen which WG on what date. Tie that up with possible phone calls received on a certain date, not to mention credit card details and recorded images on the CCTV for who knows how many weeks before the raid occurred, and you are onto a tasty list of punting mugs numbering into the hundreds, if not thousands.

Memberships at Sandy's consisted of a name, a memorable word and a number they assigned to you. They never seemed to attach mine to a phone number as they asked me for my name and membership number every time I rang up to book, so I don't see how the Police would use this information to track punters. In terms of images of punters, Merv used to say to punters that he had to get complaints about short timing soon after the incident as he wiped the CCTV regularly. Either way, they're just pictures, without an identity they're pointless and I don't see why the cops would neccesarily need a record of punters anyway, they're doing nothing illegal.

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........ Either way, they're just pictures, without an identity they're pointless and I don't see why the cops would neccesarily need a record of punters anyway, they're doing nothing illegal.

The police are well down the road of using facial recognition software to ID people through matches with driving licences / passports. Its not a perfect science, but the capability is there and improving

Offline Robert44

Well let's hope they use that technology to go hunting for peadophiles instead. Didn't know that punting was illegal anyway, if so how come the police rolled up one day at Northenden and just ignored us punters? I walked past them to go up for my service.
« Last Edit: February 19, 2017, 12:30:58 pm by Robert44 »

Offline dubs

You could give them any name for their membership list, and it was only a first name anyway.  I bet they had 10,000 "John"s on there.

Offline Spannerman

I think people seem to getting too paranoid about cctv and the police interest in punters.  I visited Sandy's approximately once week. Suppose they could find me, which is unlikely, what are they likely to say to me? "We have you on cctv walking into a room with a known prostitute??" Seriously they have better things to do with their time. 👍


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I think people seem to getting too paranoid about cctv and the police interest in punters.  I visited Sandy's approximately once week. Suppose they could find me, which is unlikely, what are they likely to say to me? "We have you on cctv walking into a room with a known prostitute??" Seriously they have better things to do with their time. 👍

But they could use the shame it will bring on some people to use as leverage to get people to grass on other matters.   :bomb:

Offline Dibble

I am planning a minutes silence...

Lived in Manchester for more than 10 years in my younger days, first visited SS in about 1998, and was a regular for a few years. Try to pop in when I'm 'up north' these days, and in fact was planning a visit for Monday afternoon/evening. Came looking for up to date Superstar recommendations and find this news.

So my plan of a late afternoon session at SS then an evening one at Cosmo is scuppered.

Sad news this.  Was a great place.

Offline con-a-ser

What I'd be wondering about is how many guys are now on the records of the cops as known punters. Every guy who was a Sandys member may have simply given them a false name when enrolling, but that name would be on the database of clients and who has seen which WG on what date. Tie that up with possible phone calls received on a certain date, not to mention credit card details and recorded images on the CCTV for who knows how many weeks before the raid occurred, and you are onto a tasty list of punting mugs numbering into the hundreds, if not thousands.

If they where going to do anything like that it would have happened after Giraffe man incident 

Offline McSwell

If they where going to do anything like that it would have happened after Giraffe man incident


WTF is the Giraffe man incident ?????  The mind boggles!@!

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WTF is the Giraffe man incident ?????  The mind boggles!@!
Yeah I missed that one but dying to know  :D

Offline lewisjones23

Yeah I missed that one but dying to know  :D

punter known as Giraffe Man - massive report writer on various forums, was funding his punting via employer funds / credit card

all came tumbling down - custodial sentence etc

Offline Blackpool Rock

punter known as Giraffe Man - massive report writer on various forums, was funding his punting via employer funds / credit card

all came tumbling down - custodial sentence etc
Oh yeah i do recall hearing that story but either forgot the name or didn't know it, cheers for confirming

Offline Mikeh38

punter known as Giraffe Man - massive report writer on various forums, was funding his punting via employer funds / credit card

all came tumbling down - custodial sentence etc

And the stupid cunt is still punting, and on this board

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Is there a link to the Giraffe man incident, necessary using his credit card for punting st Sandys?

Sandys getting done for money laundering/tax/drugs and maybe having seceret recordings of prominent people, that guy Richard Carvagh posted something to do with secret recordings of punters/prominent people on his blog, no idea if that side of the story is true.



If they where going to do anything like that it would have happened after Giraffe man incident
« Last Edit: April 22, 2017, 05:50:15 pm by Pepsiii »

Offline con-a-ser

punter known as Giraffe Man - massive report writer on various forums, was funding his punting via employer funds / credit card

all came tumbling down - custodial sentence etc

That covers it & won't post a link as the guy has done his time & article would contain real names & I'm not for outing a fellow punter for no good reason

And the stupid cunt is still punting, and on this board

It is his money so he can do what he wants with it

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It is his money so he can do what he wants with it

I do hope he repaid all the money he stole from his employers..... :rolleyes:

Offline HKS15

Sandys getting done for money laundering/tax/drugs and maybe having seceret recordings of prominent people, that guy Richard Carvagh posted something to do with secret recordings of punters/prominent people on his blog, no idea if that side of the story is true.

Very little to nothing Richard Carvath says is true, the guy is a fucking lunatic. He's currently pushing wacky conspiracy theories about a secret cabal of satanic pedophiles in Manchester at the moment, tells you everything you need to know about his credibility.