Question about bareback with escorts

[big-al93]

It's called acting or tolerating our presence. Some SPs are good at it.

But I'd much prefer that to a glassy disinterested stare into the distabce.

[Rose_128]

A bloke i know is a very senior hopsital consultant
Over the years he's worked in most of the different departments, incl. STDs
He's partial to a bit of punting
I was quizzing him about risk %'s

RO next to zero
Well not for @PD [he's more likely to be indulging in creampie clean up  ]

Indeed throat infections asymptomatic or they manifest themselves as a sore throat / cough
Knowing this i declined OWO from one massage burd who had a bit of a cough
It tilted things slightly in my mind despite littleWP being in charge, one of the few times he's been over-ruled 
Whichever STD usually stays in the mouth / throat unless some other contact
& it usually clears itself in a couple of weeks / 10 days, whereas this doesnt happen in the 'gearbox' department

I don't know if the doctor said that but I don't think it clears itself as quickly as 10-14 days. If this was the case they wouldn't even treat you as an escort and ask you to come back after 2 weeks to see if it has gone. Most people don't want to take antibiotics unless really have to. They aren't good for you if taken often enough.

I think it's more likely 2-3 months. I asked once and they said they don't routinely test civvies for throat infections but if they do and they are found positive then they offer them either treatment or to come back after 3 months without treatment to see if it has gone. I wish your doctor was right but somehow that would be too optimistic. It's more likely throat viruses like colds and coughs that clear within the 14 day mark.

[Doc Holliday]

I don't know if the doctor said that but I don't think it clears itself as quickly as 10-14 days. If this was the case they wouldn't even treat you as an escort and ask you to come back after 2 weeks to see if it has gone. Most people don't want to take antibiotics unless really have to. They aren't good for you if taken often enough.

I think it's more likely 2-3 months. I asked once and they said they don't routinely test civvies for throat infections but if they do and they are found positive then they offer them either treatment or to come back after 3 months without treatment to see if it has gone. I wish your doctor was right but somehow that would be too optimistic. It's more likely throat viruses like colds and coughs that clear within the 14 day mark.

I have only scan read this thread. Are we talking about oral chlamydia? If so then it is uncommon and accounts for less than 5% of cases of chlamydia. At least 75% of oral/throat cases are symptomless.

From memory around 50% of cases will clear within 12 months without treatment (which means half do not) and around 10% will clear in as little as 14 days. The reasons for this wide range and in particular why a small cohort are able to clear it very quickly are not fully understood.

Sex work has a very minor role to play in the prevalence of chlamydia in the population, as the infection is being driven by the under 25's who form the overwhelming majority of cases. This is partly because of their sexual behaviour, but many authorities believe there may also be some partial immunity built up with repeated exposure, although the evidence for this is mixed.

Oral STI's are more likely to be gonorrhea related and which is also much more likely to produce symptoms. 

[Rose_128]

I have only scan read this thread. Are we talking about oral chlamydia? If so then it is uncommon and accounts for less than 5% of cases of chlamydia. At least 75% of oral/throat cases are symptomless.

From memory around 50% of cases will clear within 12 months without treatment (which means half do not) and around 10% will clear in as little as 14 days. The reasons for this wide range and in particular why a small cohort are able to clear it very quickly are not fully understood.

Sex work has a very minor role to play in the prevalence of chlamydia in the population, as the infection is being driven by the under 25's who form the overwhelming majority of cases. This is partly because of their sexual behaviour, but many authorities believe there may also be some partial immunity built up with repeated exposure, although the evidence for this is mixed.

Oral STI's are more likely to be gonorrhea related and which is also much more likely to produce symptoms.

There are no symptoms for oral stds such as gonorrhea or chlamydia- sometimes they say sore throat but most sore throats are caused by allergies and viruses or even tonsillitis. It's not an indication as such. There is no discharge from throat or anything. You don't know until you get tested. Doctor can't tell you just by looking at your throat.  It's not the same as down below where it's a clear indication, such as colour of discharge or discharge itself in men.

Chlamydia doesn't settle in the throat as well as gonorrhea but it can happen, just a little less.

[webpunter]

I don't know if the doctor said that but I don't think it clears itself as quickly as 10-14 days. If this was the case they wouldn't even treat you as an escort and ask you to come back after 2 weeks to see if it has gone. Most people don't want to take antibiotics unless really have to. They aren't good for you if taken often enough.

I think it's more likely 2-3 months. I asked once and they said they don't routinely test civvies for throat infections but if they do and they are found positive then they offer them either treatment or to come back after 3 months without treatment to see if it has gone. I wish your doctor was right but somehow that would be too optimistic. It's more likely throat viruses like colds and coughs that clear within the 14 day mark.

I was having a convo at the boozer with another mate & the consultant
The consultant was like if its a Q&A i better be getting paid, get the beers in
No problemo, barman same again
I cant recall the finer details [a good few beers etc], other than RO carries next to no risk
[unless you are on a creampie clean up mission like @PD  ]
& that STD infections in a womans mouth throat will clear themselves, i defer to you on the timeline

I took diddly RO risk to be a green light / crack on 
& if RO then OWO likely to be on the menu
My brain does do some OWO risk analysis, no matter how wasted
If in an iffy parlour late at night 15+ punters a day probably not the best idea
With an experienced SP [& experience cums with age & not bargain basement pricing] who will pick & choose what to do with different punters the risk odds start improving rapidly
I dont mind a helmet inspection, getting the all clear its 

[Rose_128]

I was having a convo at the boozer with another mate & the consultant
The consultant was like if its a Q&A i better be getting paid, get the beers in
No problemo, barman same again
I cant recall the finer details [a good few beers etc], other than RO carries next to no risk
[unless you are on a creampie clean up mission like @PD  ]
& that STD infections in a womans mouth throat will clear themselves, i defer to you on the timeline

I took diddly RO risk to be a green light / crack on 
& if RO then OWO likely to be on the menu
My brain does do some OWO risk analysis, no matter how wasted
If in an iffy parlour late at night 15+ punters a day probably not the best idea
With an experienced SP [& experience cums with age & not bargain basement pricing] who will pick & choose what to do with different punters the risk odds start improving rapidly
I dont mind a helmet inspection, getting the all clear its 

Haha.

It would be interesting  to do some more research/studies amongst hetero community  on how long it takes to clear etc. What are the odds of catching it ( how many times you catch an infection from owo and how many times not despite being exposed to it ).

Unfortunately there is just no money/funding  for sexual health research except for HIV and possibly gonorrhea treatment as they have to alter it every decade or so.

[Shadow314]

... However, shl and nhs kits are free so no excuse there. Recently I heard shl can offer monthly kits for punters too if they fill in that they visit sex workers.
Shame that shl is London only.

For punters SHL comes through as quarterly when filling in that you visit sex workers (urine and blood samples).  Though on occasion I've requested one more frequently and never had any issues receiving a test.

For non-London folk you might be able to use External Link/Members Only

[MLawro93]

For punters SHL comes through as quarterly when filling in that you visit sex workers (urine and blood samples).  Though on occasion I've requested one more frequently and never had any issues receiving a test.

For non-London folk you might be able to use External Link/Members Only

I get tested monthly via SHL, or minimum 30 days in between. I do state I visit sex workers, never had an issue. They might possibly adjust the rules due to supply and demand issues, and prioritise those most at risk 

[Rose_128]

I get tested monthly via SHL, or minimum 30 days in between. I do state I visit sex workers, never had an issue. They might possibly adjust the rules due to supply and demand issues, and prioritise those most at risk 

Good job, shame that SHL only serve London.

They mention bareback on here but it was forgotten to mention  bare genital rubbing which is another form of bareback.

[MLawro93]

Good job, shame that SHL only serve London.

They mention bareback on here but it was forgotten to mention  bare genital rubbing which is another form of bareback.

SHL is commissioned via ~30 local authorities in London, this model has been adopted by various different Sexual Health Programmes across the country. So the format of SHL exists elsewhere just the name might be different depending where you are based, so there really is no excuse for people to avoid at home testing. It is so easy! 

I did do some digging and SHL appears to be an activity based contract, so there really is no incentive to limit the number of times a person can get tested. They literally get paid more if they provide more services and treat more patients. So, if you ever get declined for a test kit, I bet if you call and ask for one, they will just send it to you.

Isn't bareback just any form of penetrative sex that is unprotected? I guess bare genital rubbing might fall under the unprotected title, not sure how high the risk factors are with that one. Sadly, bit of an odd thing to create a study for, you'd definitely get some funny looks if you submitted a grant request for that. 

[Rose_128]

SHL is commissioned via ~30 local authorities in London, this model has been adopted by various different Sexual Health Programmes across the country. So the format of SHL exists elsewhere just the name might be different depending where you are based, so there really is no excuse for people to avoid at home testing. It is so easy! 

I did do some digging and SHL appears to be an activity based contract, so there really is no incentive to limit the number of times a person can get tested. They literally get paid more if they provide more services and treat more patients. So, if you ever get declined for a test kit, I bet if you call and ask for one, they will just send it to you.

Isn't bareback just any form of penetrative sex that is unprotected? I guess bare genital rubbing might fall under the unprotected title, not sure how high the risk factors are with that one. Sadly, bit of an odd thing to create a study for, you'd definitely get some funny looks if you submitted a grant request for that. 

I guess London gets more funding for this. More escorts, punters, people coming from abroad from higher risk countries etc. so more stds.

You can get genital herpes, warts, molluscum. There is some risk by just being exposed to the infected person even with a condom on but as always condoms reduce the risk of anything.


I remember some time ago reading a story of an escort who was going genital rubbing with clients but no bareback and she said she caught  chlamydia. Once again it could be that women are more likely to pick something up

[MLawro93]

I guess London gets more funding for this. More escorts, punters, people coming from abroad from higher risk countries etc. so more stds.

You can get genital herpes, warts, molluscum. There is some risk by just being exposed to the infected person even with a condom on but as always condoms reduce the risk of anything.

I'll be bringing a magnifying glass now to conduct an inspection before meets now, I enjoy RO too much. 

But yes, London gets more funding, and well...too much funding. It leads to every other part of the system suffering.

[finn5555]

But yes, London gets more funding, and well...too much funding. It leads to every other part of the system suffering.

Do you think so 🤷‍♂️ there are options to get tested everywhere

[MLawro93]

Do you think so 🤷‍♂️ there are options to get tested everywhere

Just a general statement, not specific for sexual health or this thread to be honest. 

[Rose_128]

Do you think so 🤷‍♂️ there are options to get tested everywhere

You can but it's also about the speed. If you order shl kit for say Monday ( if you order online Friday or Saturday for Monday ).


Then you post it same day before box collection, then usually within a day or two they receive it and then after another day or two max they will post your results.

If you do NHS kit it takes a while for it to arrive and 14 weeks for results sometimes less but often it's the case in smaller areas.

You also have Dean Street with sameday results ( if you can get through these days ) and then Burrell and Leadenhall Clinic which are 2-3 days. Since covid they aren't keen to test asymptomatic people unless in the trade, so testing kits are what you mainly rely on nowadays.

[finn5555]

That’s your assumption based on your circumstances but your right different areas operate at different speeds like anything in the medical field

[Doc Holliday]

There are no symptoms for oral stds such as gonorrhea or chlamydia- sometimes they say sore throat but most sore throats are caused by allergies and viruses or even tonsillitis. It's not an indication as such. There is no discharge from throat or anything. You don't know until you get tested. Doctor can't tell you just by looking at your throat.  It's not the same as down below where it's a clear indication, such as colour of discharge or discharge itself in men.

The majority of cases of genital chlamydia are also symptomless, hence, as you say, the need for testing.

It would be interesting  to do some more research/studies amongst hetero community  on how long it takes to clear etc. What are the odds of catching it ( how many times you catch an infection from owo and how many times not despite being exposed to it ).

Unfortunately there is just no money/funding  for sexual health research except for HIV and possibly gonorrhea treatment as they have to alter it every decade or so.

The lack of studies on 'clearance' has little to do with funding, but is because such studies are unethical. You would need to not treat a treatable and potentially serious infection for a prolonged period of time.

There are some studies though. This is quite a good summary article, because it contains multiple links to such existing studies, although the studies are heavy going to read. External Link/Members Only

[Rose_128]

The majority of cases of genital chlamydia are also symptomless, hence, as you say, the need for testing.

The lack of studies on 'clearance' has little to do with funding, but is because such studies are unethical. You would need to not treat a treatable and potentially serious infection for a prolonged period of time.

There are some studies though. This is quite a good summary article, because it contains multiple links to such existing studies, although the studies are heavy going to read. External Link/Members Only

In general male urethra is more sensitive to infections, so men are more likely to have symptoms. Chlamydia is about 50/50 though. For females it's less if symptomatic. Gonorrhea is about 50/50 in women but in men it's about 85-90% symptomatic. It's on the nhs website and also I asked at a clinic some time ago out of curiosity. Gonorrhea down below is a stronger infection than chlamydia.
But yes given the odds and numbers it's better to get tested and not rely on anyone to let you know.

[sheffielder]

The majority of cases of genital chlamydia are also symptomless, hence, as you say, the need for testing.

The lack of studies on 'clearance' has little to do with funding, but is because such studies are unethical. You would need to not treat a treatable and potentially serious infection for a prolonged period of time.

There are some studies though. This is quite a good summary article, because it contains multiple links to such existing studies, although the studies are heavy going to read. External Link/Members Only

Fantastic post thank you

[flurbiprofen]

Remember HIV and hepatitis tests are always 3M late. So if the escort had sex with someone in the preceding 3months, then they would not know.

Then you have all the other STDs to think about too.

[webpunter]

I'll be bringing a magnifying glass now to conduct an inspection before meets now, I enjoy RO too much. 

This will also help the SP find your knob 

[MLawro93]

This will also help the SP find your knob 

Ahahahaha 

[penisilin]

Thanks for this thread. I had bb sex with a girl from SA as I was too drunk to resist. It got me thinking and worrying all week but now seeing the percentages or chances of contracting hiv from bareback vaginal sex is low, I'm more at ease.

[penisilin]

Controversial post. And you are immediately attacked by the hypocrites who regularly stick their unprotected cock in to a prostitutes mouth, and lick her pussy with no protection whatsoever.

Many here know I am an open barebacker. Have been doing it for around 10 years. Regularly tested, only caught chlamydia once. Also caught chlamydia in my pre-barebacking days from OWO.

I minimise the risk by mainly going to girls who offer it UTC (under the counter), in other words they don't openly advertise it. This minimises the risk as every guy is not unloading in her. There are cases when I will go to a girl who openly advertises it if I really fancy her, but that is the exception rather than the rule.

In my opinion the risks are massively overblown, especially HIV which I posted the stats in a recent thread.

And for the guys who are thumping their keyboards already with replies telling me how stupid I am, don't bother, you won't change my mind. We all have our appetite for risks, mine is different to yours.

As for cost, £650 for 1 hour is a complete rip-off. The girls who do it will not charge much extra on top of their normal fee. Somewhere between £20 - £100 extra. So if the going rate for 30 mins is £80, you can get it for between £100 - £180.

Edit: Here are the HIV stats I mentioned

1% of female sex workers in London have HIV (External Link/Members Only.)
Chance of male contracting HIV from infected female is 0.042% (1 in 2380) (External Link/Members Only)
Chance of male contracting HIV from infected female with undetectable viral load is 0% (External Link/Members Only)

Many thanks PumpDump! You prevented a heart attack with this post!

[JontyR]

Thanks for this thread. I had bb sex with a girl from SA as I was too drunk to resist. It got me thinking and worrying all week but now seeing the percentages or chances of contracting hiv from bareback vaginal sex is low, I'm more at ease.

Doesn't negate the need to see that you get tested regularly though. Fingers crossed all is ok.

[Puntingutils]

Many thanks PumpDump! You prevented a heart attack with this post!

Yeah data is pretty interesting. 1/283,000 if you get that 1% and get HIV. Data is based on sample size of 228 and in 1993 study was conducted. So you can determine if there are any factors between then & now that'll make data taken with a pinch of salt in 2023. And not stated how active each SW was in that study. That being said, those numbers where also before prep was cleared in 2012. Even if you got that 1%(based in 1993), it's still 1 in 2830(from 2008-2012, quick glance on systemic review). At the very least, get tested after 3 months.

[penisilin]

Thanks guys, I'll get tested in 3 months and revert