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Author Topic: Price Increases, what's your views ??  (Read 1812 times)

Offline Mansell

There have been some price increases laterley and as Anth G said way back here

https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=67818.msg863483#msg863483

He predicted that this would happen once Diamonds started.

What are peoples views on this ??

Offline AnthG

What are peoples views on this ??

I am not sure what other views there can be on this....It's more money for the exact same thing. So how can that be anything other than bad?

When George Osbourne introduced the sugar tax a fortnight ago, most of the country had a massive fit. And that just means cans of coke will go up by 10p as a result.

This job is pretty much 100% profit, and that's a lot of profit at £100 per hour. There is no reason whatsoever for the prices to go up other than oneupmanship

Diamonds clearly did it as they were completely losing any girl wanting to be on their books because quite frankly both Amour and Allure were blowing them out of the water and Diamonds became terrrible.

So as a result Diamonds as a last ditch move did this rate increase as a desperate means to get any girl to join them.

Then however Allure had this thing were June had a massive falling out with Alli. And June wanted to setup her own agency in rival of Allure. So clearly what happened there was June thought to herself, nobody will want to join me in Premium when they could just stick with Allure and be with the established agency. So once again like Diamonds she thought I will get them to switch by upping the prices.

Now Diamonds, Premium are doing it. And now the girls in the region are upping them to that new going rate too.

Like I say it is so obvious Allure and Amour will follow suit too. £100 an hour is a lot of money for people who do not have it to throw around. So any price increase is bad.
« Last Edit: April 12, 2016, 06:04:52 PM by AnthG »

Offline Mansell

I think you are right in your summary of the Agency side Anth, but the bit I could never understand is the Romanian AW girls who were often charging £ 120 / hr. Yes I fell for it once and went to see one, but wouldn't again.

It's been said before it's a funny market as price seems often to bear no comparrison to quality. As example above, my one Neutral review was almost my most expensive punt  :unknown: :unknown: OK, more fool me, but you see what I am saying ? It make sense to pay more and get better, so will things sort themselves out this year ??

Offline OscarC


Now Diamonds, Allure are doing it. And now the girls in the region are upping them to that new going rate too.


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Allure still list their rates as £50/30 mins.

Offline AnthG

And taken from the other topic to keep it all here.

Anthg theirs ladies been charging more than that for ages, you've got a choice pay it or don't
Everyone has their own budget & what they are willing to pay, I've paid £110 for my last three bookings & still will if I want to see that lady

That is not the point in discussion here, the point is, like I say. It seems to be the crossroads of this becoming the normal rate in the North East. So there is no way to have a "choice to pay it or don't" if everywhere and everyone suddenly moves to this being the standard rate.

I remember back in the early 90s. And VHS tapes were all £9.99 RRP. And then all of a sudden one Video tape was released at £14.99 (Crocodile Dundee 2) and all the video magazines said. "Whatever you do, don't buy Crocodile Dundee 2 at this price or this will become the normal RRP for VHS tapes". All the magazines had an unofficial pact going on to say this. They refused to offer any advertisements of the film in their mags and all sorts to try their best to stop the impending price increases and all sorts they feared all due to Crocodile Dundee 2 coming out at £14.99 (I am just going on a bit of a tangent there, but I still remember it now almost 30 years later - so you can tell from that, this is how much I hate price increases. I even still have those magazines from the time somewhere :) ).

But the result, everyone ignored this and bought Crocodile Dundee 2 and it was the highest selling VHS on release. The result the next tape came out at £14.99 RRP, and people bought this and sooner or later the standard price for buying a VHS all the way till DVD's came out was £14.99. And no tape was sold at £9.99.

Then what happened. DVD's came out at £19.99 RRP in 1997 to one up on VHS's. But people didn't buy them (at that time). So the price dropped to £17.99 RRP for DVDs. And then again to £11.99 and this is when people started mass buying them.

My point is, if people had of just listened to the warnings and not bought Crocodile Dundee 2. VHS would have remained at £9.99. And because people didn't buy DVD's at £19.99 the prices dropped.
« Last Edit: April 12, 2016, 06:20:10 PM by AnthG »

Offline AnthG

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Allure still list their rates as £50/30 mins.

Sorry, I meant Premium. Have still had time to change my post so have now done.

Offline Mansell


That is not the point in discussion here, the point is, like I say. It seems to be the crossroads of this becoming the normal rate in the North East. So there is no way to have a "choice to pay it or don't" if everywhere and everyone suddenly moves to this being the standard rate.


I think you might be right. But am I right in thinking that it has been £ 50 & £ 100 for quiet a long time ?? ie 10 years plus !

If price reflected quality I can see some sense, but that doesn't seem to be the case in general.

Offline Rod trotter

I punt quality and selectively ...if it costs me a bit more the fair enough.

The only way punters can do anything is stop punting!

Its has been £50 for a long time and its still available aka amber at amour who was fucking tremendous.

Look lads im no fan of it but if they all do it you have 2 choices.

As long as they dont go to £65 or i will go ape
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Offline AnthG

The only way punters can do anything is stop punting!

Actually we kind of do have other things in our belt.

For one, for example, everyone in the north east could say as a pact. We will only book girls from Allure and Amour and none from Premium until they drop their prices to match the going rate.

And same goes with regards to Diamonds we could say, we will only book those girls down as £50/£100 and none of those at £60/£110 on Diamonds books.

The agency owners will soon get the message when their booking numbers suddenly drop.

And also, UKP is big enough where if all/most/many the readers agreed to do this. We could have a vote with our feet effect to persuade Premium to drop their prices.

I am not saying don't ever use them again. I am saying, just agree to stop using them for a period until they drop their prices.

I also appreciate a load of the really fit girls are on Premiums books at the moment (I personally really like the look of Summer, Ivy, Kiera and Ruby all on their site). But booking them at £100 is better than booking at £110 which easily could be soon possible due to the above :)
« Last Edit: April 12, 2016, 06:45:17 PM by AnthG »

Haven't read this in detail but I'm not sure why agencies charge a flat rate when some girls are better looking, better attitude, better service than others. All cars don't cost the same price do they. I know that won't be a popular perspective as it would potentially price some people out but the upside is the girls who don't look after themselves and offer a decent service might Buck their ideas up. I'm currently in Glasgow and the going rate seems to be £80 hh.  I punt quite a bit, maybe four to six hh sessions a month, but if eighty was the going rate I'd wrap it in on the drop of a hat. There's quite a bit of choice up here, especially compared to Teesside, but I'm going without - not paying £80 to an unknown quantity.

Online Tiger63

If they want to keep punters then they have to charge market price.....seems to me £100/ 120 ph is about the normal.....I wouldn't be paying any more....no matter who she is.
There's plenty of choice out there for us and if certain  girls  seem to be getting greedy then it's time to take action.

Offline Mansell

If they want to keep punters then they have to charge market price.....seems to me £100/ 120 ph is about the normal.....I wouldn't be paying any more....no matter who she is.

That's my feel for it as well Tiger, I did once pay £ 130, but whilst she was good, wasn't better than £ 100 girl, so never went back. So like you I have got a ceiling of £ 60 / 30 mins & £ 120 / hr which I just won't go over.

Offline AnthG

I'm not sure why agencies charge a flat rate when some girls are better looking, better attitude, better service than others. All cars don't cost the same price do they. I know that won't be a popular perspective as it would potentially price some people out but the upside is the girls who don't look after themselves and offer a decent service might Buck their ideas up.

I appreciate I am kind of going off on one in this topic. But again using the movies analogy. Buying Citizen Kane on Blu-ray costs the same as buying Police Academy on Blu-Ray. And as it should.

Many people say that Citizen Kane is the greatest film ever made. You are not going to ever get that with Police Academy.

But there will still be many people out there, myself included, who would rather chuck on Police Academy to watch for a fun 90mins than watching Citizen Kane. Other people out there again will think Citizen Kane is boring drivel and PA is a laugh a minute mindless fun. So the prices are the same for both regardless.

And its the same with the girls. Personally speaking I thought Vicky Diamond was the fittest girl I had ever seen, literally. But she got negative reviews from people and it was only ever me who raved about her nobody else. Other people rave about Mia, and others Tori Taylor. Others don't and others wouldn't want to book any of the three of them.

Furthermore, two of my least fun bookings in my entire punting career was with two girls heralded as Gods in the North East by quite literally every other punter who ever seen them (Savannah and Grace from Diamonds).

The point is, people go for different things. So who is to say one girl is fit. And should charge the 'fit rate' and another girl is not and should charge the 'unfit rate'. They should all charge the same. And that is £50/£100. And not do things of "I am fitter, so I will charge more".
« Last Edit: April 12, 2016, 07:09:37 PM by AnthG »

I remember not so long ago when Tori was proudly touting her £50/half hour rate, saying she didn't want to nor was going to change it. And even she has fell in line with the new pricing brackets. So all it now becomes is a simple choice to pay or to not pay.

Offline Rod trotter

Anth is not your decision im afraid.

If i hadnt paid the £60 to see Ivy id never have had probably one of my top 2 punts.

Anth to go on a crusade and have all these little rules you have is getting rather tedious and simply wont stop blokes paying what they wanna pay.

Its simple to say stop using them but who the fuck is gonna take any notice im sorry.trade will determine prices theres no other argument than just dont pay it.

Punters have the upperhand cos we pay, good luck with it but it comes over as childish tbh.
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Offline chriss1985

I personally find police academy 4 the greatest film ever and anyone who disagrees is a philistine
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Offline AnthG

Anth is not your decision im afraid.

If i hadnt paid the £60 to see Ivy id never have had probably one of my top 2 punts.

Anth to go on a crusade and have all these little rules you have is getting rather tedious and simply wont stop blokes paying what they wanna pay.

Its simple to say stop using them but who the fuck is gonna take any notice im sorry.trade will determine prices theres no other argument than just dont pay it.

Punters have the upperhand cos we pay, good luck with it but it comes over as childish tbh.

Obviously it's not my decision. What I am saying is, if many punters agreed to do this. Then clearly change would come about.

I thought this point was clear from my posts above to be honest.

In terms of who will take notice, to be honest, I kind of assumed it would not be a minority opinion that price increases are poor for the north east and trying to deter them from coming about. I cannot possibly be the only person bothered about this?

Offline Looking4fun

Anth mate your doing what you do(not knocking you for it) but in my opinion you copied my post from another thread but noticed you didn't copy the other part, my last 3 bookings have been £110 for an hour, yes I thought she was value for money as has any other member that's seen her,
If you went to work & asked your manager for a rise would he turn round to you & say your being greedy, you've been getting paid the same money an hour for ten years what's changed now?
Ladies can charge what they want it's always the punters choice to pay it.
As for the reference to Alli & June's allure split you probably don't know the facts, so you shouldn't really speculate on it
Juney has been in the industry a long time, it's hardly a surprise she set up an agency, it's unlikely she was ever going to go into any other profession, from what I've heard it's had little impact on Allure so both agencies are doing well at the moment

Offline Looking4fun

Oh forget to mention the extra money premium charges goes to the girls mate, this was confirmed by 2 of the ladies I've seen, that's why she's attracting new & established ladies to the agency

Offline chriss1985

Actually thinking about it, #3 Back in training was pretty decent as well. I need to think on this.
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Offline Rod trotter


Anth if your wee princess  Vicky charged £60 per half hour or £110/120 and these were the only length of bookings shed take , coming back from wherever shes gone.....

Would you pay it ????
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Offline AnthG

Oh forget to mention the extra money premium charges goes to the girls mate, this was confirmed by 2 of the ladies I've seen, that's why she's attracting new & established ladies to the agency

Which again was my point. It appears the way Premium are making girls move to them is due to upping the rates from the regions standard.

The problem is, all the fit girls in the region are leaving the other agencies and joining Premium.

Thus every punter pays £60/£110 to punt the fit girls over and over. Both Allure and Amour will soon have no choice but in the hope of attracting fit girls to their books like Premium does, is to match their and up the rates to £60/£110.

Thus the whole of the north east becomes £60 for 30mins and £110 for an hour. That is the unfortunate fact from all of this.

Whether the money goes to the girls or to the agency is to be totally honest not really important to me as the paying custimer paying that extra.

When I buy something, anything; a TV a console game a film. It does not matter to me how much goes to the supermarket, or to the game studio or to those individual designers of the game. As the buyer I still pay the same.

Offline Looking4fun

Tell me the top girls that have joined premium from other agencies?
My 2 best punts were a lady returning to the business & a total new girl

Offline AnthG

Anth if your wee princess  Vicky charged £60 per half hour or £110/120 and these were the only length of bookings shed take , coming back from wherever shes gone.....

Would you pay it ????

Yes, but I would moan like hell about it :)

Probably one of the reasons why she chose to run off in the first place I guess, as I did that last time. It is just the case that I am not no Denyason with money to flash around willy-nilly trying to impress.  I am frugal with everything in life as a punt takes a lot out of my monthly income.

Plus to compound this I foolishly believed the hype a couple of months back and paid £150 for an hour thinking it would be better punt to cheer me up after a few disasters before it. And it was a completely bland mediocre punt. So price does not mean more equals getting better service.

Tell me the top girls that have joined premium from other agencies?
My 2 best punts were a lady returning to the business & a total new girl

I took a good month out from the forums so missed it all so I cannot. But my understanding was Summer was on Allures books?

But I can say it seems Ruby and Scarlett have done this in the last week .

*Edit* I will just say, it does seem to the be from the topic so far that I am the only one with any issue with the prospect of the regions general price increases taking place. So will shut up to see if anyone else agrees with me on this. As I am kind of surprised I am the only one perturbed by this prospect to be honest.
« Last Edit: April 12, 2016, 08:22:33 PM by AnthG »

Offline chriss1985

Right

#5 Miami Beach. That's my final decision and I'll say no more on the matter.
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