Why OWO

[bristolduck]

I'm new to punting, only been to a parlour in Bankok and into an Amsterdam window...

Now as I get older, I'm thinking wow I will never be able to score anything model looking, so willing to get my fantasy out a bit I found UKP and AW.


My concern is why do you guys mostly look for OWO, while it's still risky in terms of catching STDs? 

[claretandblue]

First posters who kick off by posting about sti's rarely last long...

In terms of your question it's fairly obvious, it feels miles better and is reasonably low risk, upto individual punters to decide if it's a risk they wish to take

[mh]

I'm new to punting, only been to a parlour in Bankok and into an Amsterdam window...
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My concern is why do you guys mostly look for OWO, while it's still risky in terms of catching STDs? 

I think your visit to a Bangkok parlour might have been riskier than most of our OWO sessions!

When you were in the Amsterdam window did you gain much of an audience? 

[daveev]

7 years with owo with 30 different escorts, never caught anything, so you pays your money and takes your chance

[Nagilum]

OWO is low risk and poses literally no threat to you as the recipient, the danger is more for the girl and even then the chances are low.  If its HIV you are worried about - there are no known reports of catching it from fellatio

A quick search on google would have taken you to the POZ website, that is the site for this information. 

[Sonny Crockett]

Because it is much, much better than having it with the dreaded condom. If a WG did OW with me, then I could never get going performance wise.

[RedKettle]

because it is fucking fantastic...

 

[hendrix]

I'm never leaving the house. It's dangerous out there.

[jcdmj12]

Because it's very difficult to fill a girls mouth with cum to the point where she is struggling to cope with it and it is running down the side of her cheeks and smudging her makeup if you are wearing a condom.

[two20]

Seriously?

[ramrodronnie]

The only risks are if the punteer, or the WG have an STI, and either the punter or the WG had an open wound, either the punter may have a scratch on his todger, or the WG may have an abscess, or some sort of gum bleed/disease.

But as stated by other punters, these things are extremely rare. I personally much prefer OWO as the feeling/sensation of it is far better that covered oral. But each to their own, some punters prefer not to take any risks at all, and choose OW. A personal preference to each punter.

[newforthisyear]

I'd rather not take that chance so I always oral with

[SJ772]

Lack of OWO is a deal breaker for me, why, yes there is some risk, but OW does nothing for me, I accept the BB is not acceptable and way to risky and would never do it, but I want my cock inside a woman, not inside a plastic bag that's inside a woman, it's a risk I am willing to take.  Personally if no CIM I am halfway to not considering, if no OWO then unless a cheap parlour punt it don't work for me.   For me OWO breaks an intimacy barrier that some girls have, and dumping a load in their mouths makes me feel somehow more connected to them, each to their own, OWO is a must for me.

[cueball]

My concern is why do you guys mostly look for OWO, while it's still risky in terms of catching STDs? 

 

Not another one

Are you sure you're ready to start punting?

[LL]

7 years with owo with 30 different escorts, never caught anything, so you pays your money and takes your chance

Ok you're lucky then. Perhaps I'm unlucky. I've only ever allowed OWO with prostitutes twice. I caught an STI on the second time.

Because it's very difficult to fill a girls mouth with cum to the point where she is struggling to cope with it and it is running down the side of her cheeks and smudging her makeup if you are wearing a condom.

It's not that difficult to fill up a girl's mouth with jizz without your helmet touching her tongue and cheeks. I did it a week ago. The trick is to whip the condom off before you cum of course, then take aim across a small air-gap and to ensure you reach target, allow for the natural fall of your jizz parabola, adjust for air temperature and wind speed, etc, etc.  The only real difficulty is finding a girl who will let you do it.

The only risks are if the punteer, or the WG have an STI, and either the punter or the WG had an open wound, either the punter may have a scratch on his todger, or the WG may have an abscess, or some sort of gum bleed/disease.

For HIV and syphilis perhaps. Chlamydia, Gonorrhoea, other urinary infections can just come from the inside of an otherwise-healthy mouth. It can go straight into your japseye to infect you - no need for any cuts / sores / etc. I don't want to scaremonger and the risks other people chose to take are their own business, but I find it alarming when people dish out sexual health advice when they are obviously ill informed. I say it every time these threads come up. Talk to a medical professional to find out the risks or read the NHS guidelines on the web.

[ramrodronnie]

Ok you're lucky then. Perhaps I'm unlucky. I've only ever allowed OWO with prostitutes twice. I caught an STI on the second time.

It's not that difficult to fill up a girl's mouth with jizz without your helmet touching her tongue and cheeks. I did it a week ago. The trick is to whip the condom off before you cum of course, then take aim across a small air-gap and to ensure you reach target, allow for the natural fall of your jizz parabola, adjust for air temperature and wind speed, etc, etc.  The only real difficulty is finding a girl who will let you do it.

For HIV and syphilis perhaps. Chlamydia, Gonorrhoea, other urinary infections can just come from the inside of an otherwise-healthy mouth. It can go straight into your japseye to infect you - no need for any cuts / sores / etc. I don't want to scaremonger and the risks other people chose to take are their own business, but I find it alarming when people dish out sexual health advice when they are obviously ill informed. I say it every time these threads come up. Talk to a medical professional to find out the risks or read the NHS guidelines on the web.

The information I gave was given to me from the GUM clinic LL. I would never give ill informed information out.

[LL]

The information I gave was given to me from the GUM clinic LL. I would never give ill informed information out.

Regardless of where it came from it contradicts the official advice.
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[Marmalade]

OP gone dumb.
Reminder: any last words? Don't particularly want to hear them but nice to know you are fucking off.
If you don't want to do OWO put it on your bitch profile. Simple.

[Wilson85]

Where I punt OW is the standard offering. OWO is extra. Even in Marrakech I had a wg rubber up for oral.

As for why....it feels better and is low risk. Same for RO, I've not had any bother thus far.

[smiths]

Ok you're lucky then. Perhaps I'm unlucky. I've only ever allowed OWO with prostitutes twice. I caught an STI on the second time.

It's not that difficult to fill up a girl's mouth with jizz without your helmet touching her tongue and cheeks. I did it a week ago. The trick is to whip the condom off before you cum of course, then take aim across a small air-gap and to ensure you reach target, allow for the natural fall of your jizz parabola, adjust for air temperature and wind speed, etc, etc.  The only real difficulty is finding a girl who will let you do it.

For HIV and syphilis perhaps. Chlamydia, Gonorrhoea, other urinary infections can just come from the inside of an otherwise-healthy mouth. It can go straight into your japseye to infect you - no need for any cuts / sores / etc. I don't want to scaremonger and the risks other people chose to take are their own business, but I find it alarming when people dish out sexual health advice when they are obviously ill informed. I say it every time these threads come up. Talk to a medical professional to find out the risks or read the NHS guidelines on the web.

Indeed, the fact is punting holds a risk, a punter isn't going to know what a WG has been up to, as I always say it isn't for the squeamish. I take the risks I am prepared to take for rewards as I see them on offer. I fully realise I could be infected at any time when punting or indeed outside punting.

I agree with you about ill informed advice generally, its REALLY REALLY important in my view to be as accurate as possible about this. No one can credibly say there is no risk to a punter from receiving OWO in my view, of course there is A risk. Its essential to me as OW does nothing for me and I haven't caught anything as of yet fortunately.

[TomR]

Up until 2008 I always had OWO until a friend of mine got gonorrhoea from a WG through OWO.

It may be low risk but is still possible.

As been said here it is up to each individual to do their own risk assessment and decide for themselves
what level of risk they are prepared to take.

If my mate had never got it I would have continued with OWO until either my dying day or I got a dose
of the **** myself.

I used to be a heavy smoker (high risk of cancer) and go through bouts of heavy boozing (high risk of all
sorts).

It is for each of us to decide what our limits are in between the two extremes of high and none at all.

[Marmalade]

So you get some gonny and you go see gum and get the medicine. Stay off sex till you're clear. How big a deal is that ffs.  It's not like your leg's fallen off. WGs are touchy cos it means time off work if they get an itchy fanny.

All this "I care about my health" they're putting on their profiles is tiresome. If you don't want to do owo, don't. You can catch colds, herpes and gladular fever from kissing. Kissing has its risks too. But no-one says, "I don't kiss as I care about my health, and asking if I kiss will result in you being blacklisted." Eeeewwww!  I've no quarrel with someone who takes whatever health precautions they personally deem appropriate for themselves. No need to get all holier-than-fucking-thou about it.

[vw]

More punters have died from colds caught while punting than from anything caused by OWO.

Make sure the older guys wrap up warm and dry properly if you shower after a punt, that will get you !  Punting dangerous game !

[claretandblue]

Ok you're lucky then. Perhaps I'm unlucky. I've only ever allowed OWO with prostitutes twice. I caught an STI on the second time.

It's not that difficult to fill up a girl's mouth with jizz without your helmet touching her tongue and cheeks. I did it a week ago. The trick is to whip the condom off before you cum of course, then take aim across a small air-gap and to ensure you reach target, allow for the natural fall of your jizz parabola, adjust for air temperature and wind speed, etc, etc.  The only real difficulty is finding a girl who will let you do it.

For HIV and syphilis perhaps. Chlamydia, Gonorrhoea, other urinary infections can just come from the inside of an otherwise-healthy mouth. It can go straight into your japseye to infect you - no need for any cuts / sores / etc. I don't want to scaremonger and the risks other people chose to take are their own business, but I find it alarming when people dish out sexual health advice when they are obviously ill informed. I say it every time these threads come up. Talk to a medical professional to find out the risks or read the NHS guidelines on the web.

Getting a girl to do cim when you have insisted on ow is a weird one tbh, surely must take the fun away if you are that concerned about her sucking your cock and a bit weird for the girl too

[Rufus T Firefly]

seen over 500 WGs over the last 10 years and never caught a thing.. More chance of getting hit by a bus.

Wouldn't bother seeing a girl if she didn't offer OWO.

You wouldn't eat a mars bar with the wrapper on would you?

Suggest that the OP takes up a safer hobby like stamp collecting

[Roth]

seen over 500 WGs over the last 10 years and never caught a thing.. More chance of getting hit by a bus.

Wouldn't bother seeing a girl if she didn't offer OWO.

You wouldn't eat a mars bar with the wrapper on would you?

Suggest that the OP takes up a safer hobby like stamp collecting

That's a lot of prossies for only 2 reviews.   Care to share? 

[Horizontal pleasures]

I'm new to punting, only been to a parlour in Bankok and into an Amsterdam window...

Now as I get older, I'm thinking wow I will never be able to score anything model looking, so willing to get my fantasy out a bit I found UKP and AW.


My concern is why do you guys mostly look for OWO, while it's still risky in terms of catching STDs? 

your choice, suck it and see ...

[Lz-129]

your choice, suck it and see ...

I may be wrong but I think he wants someone else to suck it

[anyfucker]

So you get some gonny and you go see gum and get the medicine. Stay off sex till you're clear. How big a deal is that ffs.  It's not like your leg's fallen off. WGs are touchy cos it means time off work if they get an itchy fanny.

All this "I care about my health" they're putting on their profiles is tiresome. If you don't want to do owo, don't. You can catch colds, herpes and gladular fever from kissing. Kissing has its risks too. But no-one says, "I don't kiss as I care about my health, and asking if I kiss will result in you being blacklisted." Eeeewwww!  I've no quarrel with someone who takes whatever health precautions they personally deem appropriate for themselves. No need to get all holier-than-fucking-thou about it.

If you pass it on to a partner it can be a huge deal.

[Marmalade]

If you pass it on to a partner it can be a huge deal.

Exactly. So if youre shagging your wife as well prossies let's hope you have the common sense to minimise the danger as you feel appropriate for you.

Though not to proselytise to others who are not so unfortunate of course.

[Marmalade]

I may be wrong but I think he wants someone else to suck it

I hope not ... he sounds full of shit. 

[Donnie69]

I won't see a girl that doesn't do OWO. In fact I don't see prossies who don't do CIM, French kissing, or fingering.

One of the greatest pleasures in life is to fill the mouth of some attractive young lady with cum.  She can either swallow, dribble down her tits (for me to lick off) or snowball back to me.  Spitting the cum into a tissue isn't acceptable.     

[vw]

If you pass it on to a partner it can be a huge deal.

Oh well, don't do it then simple !

Nobody is forcing you it is a pleasurable optional service !

[LL]

Getting a girl to do cim when you have insisted on ow is a weird one tbh, surely must take the fun away if you are that concerned about her sucking your cock and a bit weird for the girl too

Who cares? If she's up for it then that's good. If not - no big deal.
Takes the fun away? Nope it's still fun!

[Sonny Crockett]

Any lady that does OW with me when their likes list states they do OWO, gets a negative from me!!!

[jawill]

First posters who kick off by posting about sti's rarely last long..

I've been pubting over 20 years and I still talk about STI's. After all, we should all be careful about our health.

Catching something from OWO is actually pretty easy. After catching gonnorheah a few years back from it, I won't do it again. It's not worth the pain for the puss oozing out your cock.

After all, you think about how many cocks (white, black, Asian, Chinese whatever) the girl has had in her mouth that day/week/month and how much cum has been in there's, it kinda puts me off having OWO now, especially when you now see reports of gonnorheah being drug resistant, and when many girls now travel up and down the UK.  You don't really think they visit the gum clinic between each city do you.

Yeah it's a risk the punter has to weigh up and decide themselves. I always thought it was no risk until it happened. Now, I play extra safe.

[Nagilum]

Catching something from OWO is actually pretty easy. After catching gonnorheah a few years back from it, I won't do it again. It's not worth the pain for the puss oozing out your cock.

You was unlucky.

[ramrodronnie]

More punters have died from colds caught while punting than from anything caused by OWO.

Make sure the older guys wrap up warm and dry properly if you shower after a punt, that will get you !  Punting dangerous game !

I use a willy warmer 

[claretandblue]

I've been pubting over 20 years and I still talk about STI's. After all, we should all be careful about our health.

Catching something from OWO is actually pretty easy. After catching gonnorheah a few years back from it, I won't do it again. It's not worth the pain for the puss oozing out your cock.

After all, you think about how many cocks (white, black, Asian, Chinese whatever) the girl has had in her mouth that day/week/month and how much cum has been in there's, it kinda puts me off having OWO now, especially when you now see reports of gonnorheah being drug resistant, and when many girls now travel up and down the UK.  You don't really think they visit the gum clinic between each city do you.

Yeah it's a risk the punter has to weigh up and decide themselves. I always thought it was no risk until it happened. Now, I play extra safe.

I am careful about my health thank you very much,my point remains that people who start these threads as their first post are often trolls,where has the op gone anyway?

[ramrodronnie]

I won't see a girl that doesn't do OWO. In fact I don't see prossies who don't do CIM, French kissing, or fingering.

One of the greatest pleasures in life is to fill the mouth of some attractive young lady with cum.  She can either swallow, dribble down her tits (for me to lick off) or snowball back to me.  Spitting the cum into a tissue isn't acceptable.     

  Donnie69. You're likes are the same as mine, apart from the snowballing, Yuk, no appetite for tasting my own cum. 

[ramrodronnie]

Any lady that does OW with me when their likes list states they do OWO, gets a negative from me!!!

Plus 1 Sonny Crockett

[mikexxlong]

As said by other members, because it feels better than a BJ with a piece of rubber stretched over your knob
 
There is always a risk when having sex with pro$$i£’s , but OWO is relatively risk free , NOT 100% risk free ,
but is at an acceptable level where sensible punters are willing to take that risk.

As opposed to BB which needless to say is at an unacceptable risk level
 
Ultimately the choice is yours, to have OWO or OW, & how comfortable do you feel,
No point having OWO if you’re shitting yourself thinking afterwards that your beaver cleaver is going to fall off
or your missus might notice puss dripping out the end of your knob etc.

[vw]

  Donnie69. You're likes are the same as mine, apart from the snowballing, Yuk, no appetite for tasting my own cum. 

You should really, it helps you get a 2nd, 3rd and 4th pop.

[ramrodronnie]

You should really, it helps you get a 2nd, 3rd and 4th pop.

  If I had to taste my own cum? The only place I'd be popping would be the bathroom to throw up. 

[Marmalade]

I've been pubting over 20 years and I still talk about STI's.

You sound great company 

Catching something from OWO is actually pretty easy.                 

No. It's ONLY pretty easy to catch if she HAS it. Yes, it is highly contagious, and without quoting a lot of studies, which I think people find boring, it's one of the most contagious of STIs. You could even catch with a condom and vaginal sex if it breaks or you've fingered her an transmit it as you're taking the condom off etc, though transmission with condom use is thought to be fairly rare. HOWEVER very few people, relatively and fortunately, even prossies, have STIs. If I was shagging a dodgy street whore I might ask for a condom before oral.

Although it is easy to catch if she has it, the chances of her having it, or of any of her clients having it before she notices, are still tiny.
1 in 100. RecentExternal Link/Members Only. figures (which are higher than ours are 120 in 100,000, so if you shagged 100 people, ONE of them might have it
About 1 in 500. The most recent figures I've looked at for the U.K. are a few years old but were 27 per 100,000  of population, i.e. a 0.00027 per cent chance of shagging someone who has it.
Add to that that oral transmission, as far as I understand, is less common than vaginal. Another thing that occurs to me is that it is more frequently without symptoms in women, especially if they have it in their throat, but with men you are more likely to have symptoms so can easily do something about it.

So if you are shagging away from home, for instance, you want to leave a week to see if symptoms develop so you can get them treated. (Chlamydia is more prevalent and the incubation period less well defined but, about three weeks max is a common estimate if you're worried about that. Its also treated with antibiotics.) Thrush is not considered an STI cos a woman can have it without having caught it sexually, but it can be transmitted sexually (symptoms not so obvious in men but treatment is same -- canestan or similar which is available over the counter.)

I can understand prossies not wanting to be bothered with the risk, especially if they have a regular partner and don't want to live half their lives in the gum clinic; but for anyone else, especially PUNTERS I don't think there is any data that is worth scaremongering over. If you have a civie partner or wife that you shag without protection, well you don't want to get caught out, do you, in which case take more care; for everyone else, it's up to you, but I don't personally plan to stop having OWO when its on offer.

I think it is a stupid fucking thread. I've tried to throw some common sense stuff in as I do read medical reports (which anyone can do) but don't quote me, and for someone seriously to ask why punters prefer OWO, it makes me wonder whether they have ever had unprotected sex in their whole life. Or maybe they haven't had sex. Who knows. This is not a sexual health forum ffs (and it's a schoolboy type question; goodnes knows how the thread hasn't been locked.)

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[bristolduck]

It was a question I had in mind, it's good to know what other ppl think and what are the experiences.
I didn't ask for advice nor judged anyone on how they live their life.

It's been informational for me, thanks for replying though!
Next time I will Review instead of asking!

[smiths]

I've been pubting over 20 years and I still talk about STI's. After all, we should all be careful about our health.

Catching something from OWO is actually pretty easy. After catching gonnorheah a few years back from it, I won't do it again. It's not worth the pain for the puss oozing out your cock.

After all, you think about how many cocks (white, black, Asian, Chinese whatever) the girl has had in her mouth that day/week/month and how much cum has been in there's, it kinda puts me off having OWO now, especially when you now see reports of gonnorheah being drug resistant, and when many girls now travel up and down the UK.  You don't really think they visit the gum clinic between each city do you.

Yeah it's a risk the punter has to weigh up and decide themselves. I always thought it was no risk until it happened. Now, I play extra safe.

The point is its not risk free as you sadly found out, its VERY irresponsible for anyone to say it isnt in my view. And no I don't for a second believe most punters or WGs visit the GUM except if they think they have something. Some WGs use punting forums as propaganda that they do though.

I imagine it will take me getting infected before I stopped wanting OWO and if that happened I would have to ask myself whether punting was worth it anymore, risk and services wise.

[jawill]

Its like everything in life, it all comes down to calculating the risk and if your happy with it - fine.  After all, we put our lives in that thin bit of latex over our nobs every time it does in a WG pussy or ass that its not defective or going to split. 

For some of us who have had our fingers burnt, we are not willing to take the risk again.  For others, its no big deal, a few pills and they will do it again.   

A worry I have thesedays is that when I first started punting the Polish were just starting to come on the scene, there were no dodgy Romanians, and WG's tended to stay in one city rather than move about, potentially working in cities with higher rates of STDs.  Also, antibiotics were still effective against all STDs.

Anyway - while yes OWO feels awesome, i'm not taking the risk again.  At the same time, I have no problem with those who are happy with the risk and carry on having it.  Its personal choice at the end of the day.

[Marmalade]

The point is its not risk free as you sadly found out, its VERY irresponsible for anyone to say it isnt in my view. And no I don't for a second believe most punters or WGs visit the GUM except if they think they have something. Some WGs use punting forums as propaganda that they do though.

I imagine it will take me getting infected before I stopped wanting OWO and if that happened I would have to ask myself whether punting was worth it anymore, risk and services wise.

I dont think anyone's saying it's risk free smiths. But I think prossies over-exaggerate the risk...

which is made up of three factors:
1) how risky is it for anyone? (In my own case, once, about ten years ago: that's once in about 800 punts and I'd guess at least a third included OWO. So that's lower than the official figures I quoted.)
2) what are the medical consequences? Which these days are usually (not always) relatively minor plus a few weeks off sex and alcohol.
3) what are the social consequences? For a single guy, very minor unless you bump into someone in the gum clinic snd even that isn't so big a desal unless they can use it against you. For a married person or worse still, someone who's is married or in a relationship where frequent sex is in the cards. In which case, stats don't matter: it could be disastrous. No way I'd have owo in that situation.

Most of the panic is from married guys.

[vw]

Most of the panic is from married guys.

They rightly so are concerned about being busted.

Think they create a drama out of it as they really want it but don't want to hear about it, the best way to achieve this aim is to do as their wives do and be hysterical about the risks.