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She didn’t keep it... as far as I know !

Give it 15 years and you'll find out.

Knock, knock, knock.

"Hi Dad".

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Give it 15 years and you'll find out.

Knock, knock, knock.

"Hi Dad".


The dreaded knock and DNA test... :dash: :dash:
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If they do get up the duff me thinks you'll be invited round for a Netflix & wine evening

Then they drop the  :bomb: shell  :scare:

Offline Bonker

I met a Thai girl through AW whom I ended up being friends with XTRAs with and she used to pop round my place with Thai food and fuck but then she’d be all tearful about the shit agency she worked for so I became moral support advice well as fuck buddy, weird combo. We went To Glastonbury festival and go high on speed which is when I realised she’s a speed user. She ended up getting deported after being caught with drugs. We still chat occasionally on Facebook.

Another one I met through AW and helped with web site so she would give me free visits and then we became friends and she wanted more. Made the mistake of going without and she got pregnant.

Well you sure live life to the full

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Not sure if my experience counts as a ‘relationship outside work’ but here goes

I met an escort about 18 months ago, I didn’t review her, tho she is reviewed here. We shared a few interests and stayed in touch. We now both know a lot about each other’s real life.

She does still charge for a meet, but at a massively reduced rate (£350 for 2 overnights and the day in between, effectively 48hrs). She joins me on work trips, so the during the day she entertains herself wherever I am.

When I’m texting her about life, I imagine she’s a friend, with some shared interests. When we do meet she’s an escort who shares a similar kink.

Offline Laney08

There is a bit of that.  Put yourself in a WG's shoes for a minute.  She has to tell lies all the time.  She has to lie during bookings telling customers you're really good or wow, you are handsome.  She has to lie to her family about how she makes a living and is able to afford her lifestyle.  Most of them lie to all but their closest friends about what they really do.  And almost all of them have to lie in civie type situations where they might meet another man.  I'm sure they can get lonely at times.  [note: I'm not feeling sorry for them as they choose their occupation]

Then she meets a guy through a booking and during conversation becomes attracted enough to want to meet outside of work.  The guy already knows that she is an escort so she is able to drop her guard a bit and focus on having fun and just being herself without worrying about letting something slip out that she fucks guys for a living.  Many of them aren't looking for something serious.  They too want to have fun and something to look forward to outside of work.

Focus on the fun bit rather than emotional attachment and you would be surprised at how many WG's really enjoy being with someone where they can just be themselves without any fear of discovery.

Well yes, get that about being themselves, hence the second sentence in my post;

At least with a WG there's some acceptance of punter ways and a punters acceptance of the hoe-life.

I think most punters who end up with regulars they get along with develop friendships of a sort that can come with different benefits - think we've all been in scenarios where you've been bumped because a WG gives preference to a reg.

But what I was alluding to was the openess of some punters and WGs to embark on what seem like actual relationships with the attendant head fucks and drama. Arguably punting and hoe-life is something you indulge in when you're not interested in a commitment.

That said seems like a lot of people will take the plunge if the right person comes along and are open to it. Or as I say there's a need for some real intimacy to deal with loneliness. As I think some have already mentioned contrasts with the usual macho attitudes on the site. 

Offline Laney08

Other thing (and I'm not knocking anyone!) that gives some perspective - for those who embark on a full-blown relationship with a WG do they become less flakey? I mean you know, cancellations, delays, getting lost finding a place, on the blob. Because you're like a real-life friend/fwb/boyfriend/SO.

Or is it the other way round? Like they know you're part of their life so take it even easier on commitments.

I think in practical terms for a lot of punters it would put things in perspective after the umpteenth scheduling fuckup with some :D

Offline DipsyDoodle

Other thing (and I'm not knocking anyone!) that gives some perspective - for those who embark on a full-blown relationship with a WG do they become less flakey? I mean you know, cancellations, delays, getting lost finding a place, on the blob. Because you're like a real-life friend/fwb/boyfriend/SO.

Complete commitment.  Current one sends me a text every morning when she wakes up, no matter where she is.  Conversations are real and nothing flakey whatsoever.  If they were flakey, I'd be gone.  She never breaks future commitments that we've agreed, but then again, we agree a schedule in advance to avoid that kind of disappointment.

In the early days, you watch for the signs that indicate things aren't real.  Trust develops on both sides, and then a relationship develops based upon that trust.

One thing to remember, the vast majority of us punting are in a some kind of serious relationship.  In other words, we are cheating.  They know this, so their guard is up too.  They are watching for the same signs in us that we are looking for in them.

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Complete commitment.  Current one sends me a text every morning when she wakes up, no matter where she is.  Conversations are real and nothing flakey whatsoever.  If they were flakey, I'd be gone.  She never breaks future commitments that we've agreed, but then again, we agree a schedule in advance to avoid that kind of disappointment.

In the early days, you watch for the signs that indicate things aren't real.  Trust develops on both sides, and then a relationship develops based upon that trust.

One thing to remember, the vast majority of us punting are in a some kind of serious relationship.  In other words, we are cheating.  They know this, so their guard is up too.  They are watching for the same signs in us that we are looking for in them.

Trust with a whore.. yeh right.
Add a man with a really thick wallet in the mix and  watch the word trust zoom down the toilet!
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Trust with a whore.. yeh right.
Add a man with a really thick wallet in the mix and  watch the word trust zoom down the toilet!
Your constant and useless comments on this thread is similar to those who comment "yuck, uggh, disgusting" on TS threads.
Basically something you deep down want to happen but know due to your circumstances would be impossible.

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Your constant and useless comments on this thread is similar to those who comment "yuck, uggh, disgusting" on TS threads.
Basically something you deep down want to happen but know due to your circumstances would be impossible.

I'm just telling the reality...
So you can fuck off..
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I'm just telling the reality...
So you can fuck off..

In my experience posts like this are frequently where this topic ends up  :rolleyes:

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At least with a WG there's some acceptance of punter ways and a punters acceptance of the hoe-life.

I've had a semi-relationship with a WG before (well I think it was more of a "friend with benefits" kind of relationship) and this is exactly what we both enjoyed. You don't talk punting much in real life, they don't talk about their job much in real life. Having a person you can discuss it with, vent etc is actually pretty nice

We're still friends to this day although nothing more than hanging out for drinks or whatever every once in a while, and it's just a nice extra. Plus I found it interesting to hear real experiences from a WG, realizing that the vanilla punt I'm after may very well be a minority considering the stories I got haha

Nothing wrong with that anyway, in the end it's having a friend with a shared interest

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I'm just telling the reality...
So you can fuck off..

It is your opinion. While it may be rooted in experience, it is just your opinion, not "fact" or "reality".

The poster to whom you are responding may be telling the complete truth or it may be complete fiction. Either way, your response is your opinion.

 :hi:
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Offline GMontag

I'm deluded ...
So you can fuck off..

Fixed it for you. :thumbsup:

And don't get angry at me because you have a sad life. Just go out and eat more mangoes, yum yum.

Offline yandex

It's all an act till she gets you by the balse and squeezes them dry for every penny..


In life I never ever trust the following
( Not in any particular order)

Whore
Drug addict
Liar
Thief
Gambler
Alcoholic


Wouldn't trust them at all..

Can't say I agree with you but each to their own. It doesn't leave a lot of room in your life for friendship given that most people lie about something and there's no way you can begin to spot all the functional alcohol dependants, prescription pill addicts and secret gamblers/bingo crazies.

Presumably you're simply regurgitating stereotypes and suggesting that proves a point. I'm just watching 'The Ripper Files' on catch-up tv, you aren't a retired Yorkshire police officer are you?

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Can't say I agree with you but each to their own. It doesn't leave a lot of room in your life for friendship given that most people lie about something and there's no way you can begin to spot all the functional alcohol dependants, prescription pill addicts and secret gamblers/bingo crazies.

Presumably you're simply regurgitating stereotypes and suggesting that proves a point. I'm just watching 'The Ripper Files' on catch-up tv, you aren't a retired Yorkshire police officer are you?

My friends are honest...
Trusted friends for many years..
A good solid bond...
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Presumably you're simply regurgitating stereotypes and suggesting that proves a point. I'm just watching 'The Ripper Files' on catch-up tv, you aren't a retired Yorkshire police officer are you?

Having seen that series,  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

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I had to visit our IT department this afternoon to get something installed on my laptop. I was sat with the IT guy whilst he was doing his thing and opposite us was a 50ish woman who I recognised as an escort from adultwork. I'm pretty certain it was her. I was so surprised. She looked quite foxy I though but not really my type. Was a funny moment.

Offline shagmore

Not sure if this should be a new thread, but think the lass I have started dating was a WG, she is so damn right filthy it unbelievable. It was via a legit dating site, not one of the sex ones, we met one night for a chat and meal, then the next night for a drink, and down to action, it was just like a punt with regards to the routine, also the noises, hair flicking whilst giving a BJ. She is one fit bird to say the least. Every time I have had a GFE with a WG I thought to myself, well I have never met a girl outside of punting that says or does these things, - not even close. well that is not the case anymore.
She has a job, and its legitimate, I asked about her past and she said some other places she worked but not able to follow up on them.
She is really into me, and I am into her, so I think its a case of seeing how it goes and some slight subtle questioning, but what if she confesses and says yes. Dilemma,

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She is really into me, and I am into her, so I think its a case of seeing how it goes and some slight subtle questioning, but what if she confesses and says yes. Dilemma,

What if she does? I strikes me that you have a confused set of priorities - are you after a relationship? In which case, at what point are you thinking of telling her you punt since the past clearly matters so much to you?

Alternatively, you could just count your stars that you've fallen on your feet and see where it takes you. Stop letting your punting screw with your mind and making you think every woman who likes sex is/was a prossie. Women look at porn too, you know.

Anyway, good luck and have fun

Offline ILA2018

I haven't yet but if I did it would have to obviously be different from other relationships I've been in before. If she wishes to carry on as an escort (happy to accept as that's the way I found her) it would have to be an open relationship, because fair is fair. Treat her right, don't be a pushover and fucking her hard is still fair game though lmao. I'm pretty forward thinking too so anything we do like going out, the bill should be split and so on. I wouldn't like to be exploited either, and I've heard of people getting into these relationships only for escorts to 'borrow' money and never return. So I wouldn't let her borrow any money for any reason. (I only let my best friend borrow large amounts of money).

More reviews are on the way soon, just really busy so haven't had the time to fill them all out.

Offline Brazilian Martian

Not sure if my experience counts as a ‘relationship outside work’ but here goes

I met an escort about 18 months ago, I didn’t review her, tho she is reviewed here. We shared a few interests and stayed in touch. We now both know a lot about each other’s real life.

She does still charge for a meet, but at a massively reduced rate (£350 for 2 overnights and the day in between, effectively 48hrs). She joins me on work trips, so the during the day she entertains herself wherever I am.

When I’m texting her about life, I imagine she’s a friend, with some shared interests. When we do meet she’s an escort who shares a similar kink.

You're still paying so it's not really a relationship  :music:

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My friends are honest...
Trusted friends for many years..
A good solid bond...

Do your friends know that you only ever have sex with prostitutes?

I suppose you chat honestly with them about your exploits as 'King Tarzan'. I mean you have a good solid bond, right?

Offline Grumpy Pumpy

Do your friends know that you only ever have sex with prostitutes?

I suppose you chat honestly with them about your exploits as 'King Tarzan'. I mean you have a good solid bond, right?

 :lol:

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It's all an act till she gets you by the balse and squeezes them dry for every penny..


In life I never ever trust the following
( Not in any particular order)

Whore
Drug addict
Liar
Thief
Gambler
Alcoholic


Wouldn't trust them at all..

Politicians?

Offline GMontag

Do your friends know that you only ever have sex with prostitutes?

I suppose you chat honestly with them about your exploits as 'King Tarzan'. I mean you have a good solid bond, right?
Spot on!

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Not sure if this should be a new thread, but think the lass I have started dating was a WG, she is so damn right filthy it unbelievable. It was via a legit dating site, not one of the sex ones, we met one night for a chat and meal, then the next night for a drink, and down to action, it was just like a punt with regards to the routine, also the noises, hair flicking whilst giving a BJ. She is one fit bird to say the least. Every time I have had a GFE with a WG I thought to myself, well I have never met a girl outside of punting that says or does these things, - not even close. well that is not the case anymore.
She has a job, and its legitimate, I asked about her past and she said some other places she worked but not able to follow up on them.
She is really into me, and I am into her, so I think its a case of seeing how it goes and some slight subtle questioning, but what if she confesses and says yes. Dilemma,

So you just have assumed she must have been a WG because she is enthusiastic during sex? That's a bit of a leap. Seems more likely to me that she might enjoy sex, enjoy turning men on and may have just watched a lot of porn. :sarcastic:

To be honest, assuming a girl who is into sex must have been a WG is a form of slut-shaming and it isn't in men's interests to do that. In bed the sluttier the better as far as I'm concerned. An angel in the kitchen and a devil in the bedroom is fine, but don't assume a horny girl must have been paid in the past to act like that!

Offline SirCharles

One question for all you chaps who have/had relationships with wgs ......did you bareback? whilst they were still working........
Yes, bareback only...all the time, it's much much better

Offline Brazilian Martian

Had our first real argument last night, arranged to go out for something to eat and then cinema. When I turned up I pressed  her door bell no answer called her phone no answer. Low and behold she called me back 5 mins saying a customer has extended a booking by an hour and if I can wait in Starbucks untill she's done.

My response was FUCK NO I'm going home, i have no issue with that a customer extended his punt, I was pissed that she asked me to wait and did not have the decency to Inform me before I left to come to hers.  :thumbsdown:

Later in the evening she called me in tears saying she's sorry and it's all new to her and she does not want to make me angry  :cry: :cry: cry me a fucking river, I explained my point of view to and that stressed that I dnt like having my time wasted. She then offered to take today off and stated we could spend the whole day together, but I told her I have customers that have been booked in from 3 months ago and I cant just cancel on them at the last minute for something that is not a real emergency.

Offline shagmore

You're still paying so it's not really a relationship  :music:

No I am not paying, no money nothing

Offline shagmore

What if she does? I strikes me that you have a confused set of priorities - are you after a relationship? In which case, at what point are you thinking of telling her you punt since the past clearly matters so much to you?

Alternatively, you could just count your stars that you've fallen on your feet and see where it takes you. Stop letting your punting screw with your mind and making you think every woman who likes sex is/was a prossie. Women look at porn too, you know.

Anyway, good luck and have fun
Cheers for that, very true. need to get my mind in the GF camp and not WG camp. And boy am I having fun, nearly killing me but ha its great. Able to do all the things you do with a WG but with a GF. And it doesn't cost a penny. OK I cooked a meal but hay Ho .

Offline shagmore

So you just have assumed she must have been a WG because she is enthusiastic during sex? That's a bit of a leap. Seems more likely to me that she might enjoy sex, enjoy turning men on and may have just watched a lot of porn. :sarcastic:

To be honest, assuming a girl who is into sex must have been a WG is a form of slut-shaming and it isn't in men's interests to do that. In bed the sluttier the better as far as I'm concerned. An angel in the kitchen and a devil in the bedroom is fine, but don't assume a horny girl must have been paid in the past to act like that!
Yes, thinking the worse, when I can't talk as I see or have seen WGs. Wrong of me I admit, thanks. Thats what i like about this site, give you another prospective


Offline Laney08

Had our first real argument last night, arranged to go out for something to eat and then cinema. When I turned up I pressed  her door bell no answer called her phone no answer. Low and behold she called me back 5 mins saying a customer has extended a booking by an hour and if I can wait in Starbucks untill she's done.

My response was FUCK NO I'm going home, i have no issue with that a customer extended his punt, I was pissed that she asked me to wait and did not have the decency to Inform me before I left to come to hers.  :thumbsdown:

Later in the evening she called me in tears saying she's sorry and it's all new to her and she does not want to make me angry  :cry: :cry: cry me a fucking river, I explained my point of view to and that stressed that I dnt like having my time wasted. She then offered to take today off and stated we could spend the whole day together, but I told her I have customers that have been booked in from 3 months ago and I cant just cancel on them at the last minute for something that is not a real emergency.

Fair play. Looks like the honey moon period is over and the real work at keep the relationship alive starts.

Ah the hoe life :D

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You should dump her fast.

And give me her number  :)

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Offline da40

Complete commitment.  Current one sends me a text every morning when she wakes up, no matter where she is.  Conversations are real and nothing flakey whatsoever.  If they were flakey, I'd be gone.  She never breaks future commitments that we've agreed, but then again, we agree a schedule in advance to avoid that kind of disappointment.

In the early days, you watch for the signs that indicate things aren't real.  Trust develops on both sides, and then a relationship develops based upon that trust.

One thing to remember, the vast majority of us punting are in a some kind of serious relationship.  In other words, we are cheating.  They know this, so their guard is up too.  They are watching for the same signs in us that we are looking for in them.



Sorry i seem to have added to your post in error rather than comment on it apologies.

The last paragraph is absolutely spot on. I had a close relationship with an sp 15 years ago  until she went overseas. 10 years ago. We met socially and chilled out as well as fucked. I regarded her as a friend, and confided in her, as she did with me.We are still in contact 3/4 times a year, and i always look forward to talking to her, as she gives me good advice on relationships.
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Offline Laney08

You should dump her fast.

And give me her number  :)

I mean she does sound like a complete pro - purely into the customer action with no consideration to her arriving romeo.

Doing a genuine relationship must need new ways of multi-tasking or thinking of another person in your life which doesn't seem to be how a lot of people, hoes included, operate.

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if a relationship develops with a pro$$i£ outside of the sex for sale transaction

there will most likely be all sorts  'baggage' to deal with including when out and about bumping into those who know of her
 and been balls deep in her etc

how's that going to make you feel ?

not to say a relationship can't work but.......

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customer has extended a booking by an hour and if I can wait in Starbucks untill she's done.

Assuming she was telling the truth there is no reason she couldn't have texted you when he extended the booking, all she had to do was say she was texting a friend that she'd be later as he was extending.

Bearing in mind your wasted time it's only reasonable that she pay the extension fee to you for your time wasted  :hi:
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Had our first real argument last night, arranged to go out for something to eat and then cinema. When I turned up I pressed  her door bell no answer called her phone no answer. Low and behold she called me back 5 mins saying a customer has extended a booking by an hour and if I can wait in Starbucks untill she's done.

My response was FUCK NO I'm going home, i have no issue with that a customer extended his punt, I was pissed that she asked me to wait and did not have the decency to Inform me before I left to come to hers.  :thumbsdown:

Later in the evening she called me in tears saying she's sorry and it's all new to her and she does not want to make me angry  :cry: :cry: cry me a fucking river, I explained my point of view to and that stressed that I dnt like having my time wasted. She then offered to take today off and stated we could spend the whole day together, but I told her I have customers that have been booked in from 3 months ago and I cant just cancel on them at the last minute for something that is not a real emergency.

Anyone would be pissed off. Hopefully will resolve  :drinks:

Offline Laney08

Come on, a bit harsh. In all seriousness was just the 1 time it seems.

Point is everyone will know civvies who can be thoughless or inconsiderate with other peoples time and effort. It's not a WG-only thing. Behaving like a self-absorbed twat is standard for lots of folks. And they're usually the first to whine if they think they're not getting what they're owed, special little snowflakes that they are.

That said, everyone has to be self-absorbed sometimes but you sometimes get people cunting out over small things all the time (like never having the decency to text early to give notice if something comes up).

Different strokes, live n let. Question is whether you want a relationship, friendship, or any sort of ship with a someone with a high cunt factor

Offline David Semen

To Billy No Mates - any chance u please can tell us who she is? I cant get anyone down under £500 for an overnight despite knowing them as regulars for over 6 months.  :dash:

Offline bbwandy72

I cant get anyone down under £500 for an overnight despite knowing them as regulars for over 6 months.  :dash:
A quick AW search brought up over 200 profiles offering overnights for 400 quid or less.

Offline rubric

To Billy No Mates - any chance u please can tell us who she is? I cant get anyone down under £500 for an overnight despite knowing them as regulars for over 6 months.  :dash:
You are assuming you'd get the same 'deal'. Why don't you try a RB ?

Offline David Semen

Thanks guys I get theres some cheap overnighters out there but when I really like a few regulars and do dinner, meets for extra cash Im dumb enufff to think they might discount. Learnd me lesson. But I do wonder if girls who charge top rates for some guys let others in there pussies for less cos there better looking or got more money. Billy no mates is obvs a top man.

Offline ILA2018

Had our first real argument last night, arranged to go out for something to eat and then cinema. When I turned up I pressed  her door bell no answer called her phone no answer. Low and behold she called me back 5 mins saying a customer has extended a booking by an hour and if I can wait in Starbucks untill she's done.

My response was FUCK NO I'm going home, i have no issue with that a customer extended his punt, I was pissed that she asked me to wait and did not have the decency to Inform me before I left to come to hers.  :thumbsdown:

Later in the evening she called me in tears saying she's sorry and it's all new to her and she does not want to make me angry  :cry: :cry: cry me a fucking river, I explained my point of view to and that stressed that I dnt like having my time wasted. She then offered to take today off and stated we could spend the whole day together, but I told her I have customers that have been booked in from 3 months ago and I cant just cancel on them at the last minute for something that is not a real emergency.

CLASSIC shit test there! It won't change regardless of if she is a WG or civvy. They normally want you to challenge them on it (which you did), or come to a compromise (say, 'okay, but you have to get me a round to make up for it!).

Just accepting this is asking for trouble. For them it's a sign of weakness that will be there to be exploited. Girls regardless of if they are WGs or civvy girls can smell spinelessness a mile away lmao.

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No with very rare exceptions, they always do it for the money. Some may enjoy the sex with some punters some of the time ... but it doesn't come close to compensating having to tolerate most of the encounters.

Regarding risks?

Depends on "much" but that may be a high risk factor for you both?

A punter with that history could be a high risk for her?  ;)

Lol, funnily enough the last bit came up in chat the other day, i am probably mega high risk, never been faithful in my life.Countless relationships ended when i got found out, 2nd wife of 26 years is an angel for forgiveness, how she stayed so long i will never know, but i was seeing her attached cousin and the cousins attached flatmate when i met her.
 But now much older, very busy and so far not even ventured out for a punt,ok i did go for mmf that turned out very badly,don,t you just love those that talk the talk but can,t walk the walk, more like limp the limp, Quite a lot younger and keeping me happy so no energy for anything else and the not full on deal suits me.

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If you have dated more than 10 civvies chances are one of them might have been a WG . Definitely discovered on two occasions that the girls i had dated had been whores . Once you know the tell tale signs of their life style and mannerisms/behaviour traits + the repetitive lies you get to see through them . Never had strong feelings for them so walked away unscathed . Had a friend who it completely screwed up after the weeks of self denial - he even fell out with his father over it  :dash: Now he goes round spotting other  men in this position .

For a while i used to have a round selling to Saunas and Brothels . Got to know the maids and managers well and did not visit as a customer so was not treated as a punter by the Whores . Was in my 20's and it became repetitive that older milf types would be very friendly and often suggest  me driving them home  and " i'll give you my taxi fare " . The younger prettier ones would flirt trying to get me to spend money to bang them but they always had pimps and ponces who would be driving them home and collecting their % of the takings . Then they would want to stop at a bar on the way home , or buy some hash and invite me home to smoke it . Didn't feel to happy one night when one  whore wanted to buy crack from a street dealer  :scare:  Had a thing for big boobs then , so when i got the offer from a busty one would accept . Got taken for several meals to hear their hard luck stories , why it was always some  Guy's fault that they whore for ££££s and home to fuck me to make them feel better . Never had any feelings for them apart from some slight curiosity and  from enjoying playing with their huge tits so it was a win/win experience .
Once a really experienced Whore - she must have started charging from 15 yrs old  said i don't want you to pay for anything except just let them see at the club we are going to that you will pay my entrance charge . Me paying her entrance charge was my entrance charge too    ;)  as she wanted to leave the Club within an hour and go to her flat to fuck !!!
Never got to see their horrible side directed to me but heard some really nasty stories of their using , abusing people and almost psychopathic tendencies to both punters and other WGs !!!

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