Don't make friends with a prossy!

[johnnyboy61]

"One girl (UK based) early in her career asked me for some advice at our first meeting, which I freely gave her, and then every couple of weeks or so would send me a text asking my opinion, or just telling me how things were going. It was really an extension of our paid sex meetings"

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She was an English student escort working in Manchester. Unfortunately her frequency of texting escalated to bombardment.
I'm very careful now. Bit of banter yes. The odd bit of prospecting "when u next in {my city}" from the WG is fine. If it goes beyond that it quickly becomes annoying.

In my case it was never like this and never got into any sort of touting. To tell you the truth I just think she saw me as a friendly face in the sometimes lonely world of prostitution and I genuinely do like her feisty and honest personality and was very happy to have a text conversation with her, even though it did eat heavily into my PAYG punting phone credit.

[greychap]

Dani, whilst I respect many of your opinions, and in this particular case I appreciate that you have also consulted some other girls, I think that it is mistake for others to think that it applies to all WGs (although in fairness I think you are careful not to make this claim).

I wasn't going to make a lengthy contribution to this this thread, partly because I don't claim to have any WGs as friends, but your comments have prompted me to offer an alternative perspective (and partly because I didn't want to be associated with Deviant, who has now been safely sent on his way, although I have never knowingly even been nominated for Punter of the Year or any similar industry accolade).
First though a little comment about SAAFE as due to the TightYoungEbony affair I have by necessity been in contact with some WGs who have volunteered their own thoughts. I now realise that there are many UK girls who don't give this website the time of day. It is so tightly controlled by Amy that many of those who don't agree with her philosophy now don't give it the time of day, especially as they have now found out that when the chips are down and they ask for her support to protect them from abuse from a fellow member she has an ostrich mentality. To some extent this makes the SAAFE membership a self-selecting unrepresentative sample (also many of the EE independents have no interest in it).

I agree. Being friendly is one thing, but being friends is quite another.

Consider this though: are there not any service providers that you use on a regular basis with whom you share personal matters - a hairdresser for instance? You are probably friendly with them, but you are not friends.  We all make decisions about whom we can trust and open up to; you have set your own personal boundaries with clients (and your WG friends have a similar philosophy), but there are others, perhaps because of different circumstances, whose boundaries are set in a rather different place.

I have been shown pictures of WGs children (unprompted and not reciprocated) and girls have chatted quite openly about home and personal circumstances. To be honest most of these have been EE independents, and very recently it led to an uncomfortable situation where a girl had previously shown me a picture of her father who was ill and at the start of the next meeting (a couple of months later) I innocently asked her how things were and she broke down in tears (not the easiest and most relaxed of starts!) even though it turns out her father was ok, but she was missing her children back at home, it certainly affected her own personal responsiveness during the meet (or so she told me - more about that later).

I have also been given quite a lot about personal background from UK girls too. As it was unprompted it almost doesn't seem worth the effort on their behalf to make a story up (unless, I suppose it is so well scripted and rehearsed that it just trips off the tongue almost without thinking).  One girl (UK based) early in her career asked me for some advice at our first meeting, which I freely gave her, and then every couple of weeks or so would send me a text asking my opinion, or just telling me how things were going. It was really an extension of our paid sex meetings, and though I am looking forward to seeing her again and catching up on how things are progressing, due to my own circumstances we haven't met recently and the communications have been rarer, so I don't think of her as a friend, although we do communicate on her private number rather than her work phone and she has told me a lot about her life and doesn't bother hiding her real name from me - she has shown me letters with it at the top and has left her credit card on the table.  (Last time I heard from her was from the waiting room of the GUM clinic which I had been gently persuading her to attend for some time after I had told her about my own first visit.)

I can understand your situation (and I apologise if I've made some incorrect assumptions) of a native WG (as in UK home based) with family and friends around her and a network of colleagues with whom she can share work based problems, but some of the EE girls have a more isolated and lonely life whilst they are over here and see a friendly (and older) face and sometimes want to share certain personal details (and, as I have said, some British girls too). Of course they are not friends and I would never suggest seeing them socially outside of paid meetings, and even if I had a desire to take things in that direction (which I don't) I doubt very much that they would agree to.
Lastly, and those that know me on here would probably guess that this comment is coming (and it was the main line of attack on me from TYE, so even more reason to say it!), but your description of how WGs fool clients into believing they are having an orgasm is of course written from your own perspective, and although I can understand why it happens, this is the one aspect of a meet that I am disappointed at when faced with obvious deception. I know that the girls aren't going to be attracted to me enough to snog my face off outside of the context of the paid meet, but when the real sex starts I don't like fakery. Yes let me lick your clit, but if I'm doing nothing for you, after a respectable amount of time tell me to move on and let's do something different rather than pretending that the Earth has just moved.

My last meet was with the girl I mentioned who had got a little upset at the start and after 15 mins or so of gentle fingering and RO confessed that though close, because she was still thinking about what had upset her, she knew that she wasn't going to climax today. However, during my previous meeting (different girl) I looked up when giving oral and was surprised to see that a sex flush had extended all the way down to nearly her navel on her right hand side. If she was faking it, then she has a quite remarkable control over her own physiology. I respect the first girl for saying so and was pleased that the second was relaxed enough with me to enjoy an orgasm.

I'm not saying that no girl has ever faked it with me and not managed to pull the wool over my eyes, but I do remember one girl who did all the right things, but I just knew it wasn't genuine. I just carried on, ignoring the histrionics (in my experience real orgasms tend to register a lot lower on both the decibel and Richter scale than faked) and eventually we got there. I tackled her about the acting at the end of the meet (by which time she had achieved a second orgasm) and she told me that most of her clients expected her to orgasm, but actually weren't that good at it, thus the need to put on a performance, mind you, she also said that although I was her first client of the day all she wanted to do now was curl up and sleep, so I can see it makes good business sense to pretend (of course, she is the only one who really knows for sure whether or not she really did eventually climax).

Dani, I respect your often level-headed contributions, and appreciate you giving an honest view from the other side of the fence, but I think that it does need to be balanced by an alternative perspective from one punter's perspective. After all, although you know infinitely more punters than me (the only one I know for sure I see in the mirror every morning when shaving), over twenty years of punting I have almost certainly seen more WGs than you know.

Bloody hell, what a ridiculously long posting, I'll have to develop some good one-liners like some other members to make up for it for my next few postings. Sorry.

Dani is commenting on her views and some of her fellow workers views but everybody is an individual and you will get some workers that will open up and talk about there problems and family if they get on with a punter just like a punter will do and some punters never would.

Some WG's don't have any female friends and are lonely and don't have much family so a few selected punters can become the friend. Although some will have motives to get large amounts of money but I think there is still some lonely workers out there like there is some lonely punters that forget there paying for sex and want more.!

[Silver Birch]

Consider this though: are there not any service providers that you use on a regular basis with whom you share personal matters - a hairdresser for instance? You are probably friendly with them, but you are not friends.  We all make decisions about whom we can trust and open up to; you have set your own personal boundaries with clients (and your WG friends have a similar philosophy), but there are others, perhaps because of different circumstances, whose boundaries are set in a rather different place.

Most service providers such as your hairdresser will not have the same level of life changing information about your private life as the prostitute, and for that reason the personal information you share needs a different level of safe keeping. It doesn't even need to be blackmail, having the knowledge can lead to indiscretion and revelation.

Everyone has their own boundaries, but it surprises how exposed some guys leave themselves.

[James999]

Dani, Sorry.

What for copying her style of post, FFS it's a forum not war and peace !

[vw]

What for copying her style of post, FFS it's a forum not war and peace !

As for the one who is weak in faith, welcome him, but not to quarrel over opinions. One person believes he may eat anything, while the weak person eats only vegetables. Let not the one who eats despise the one who abstains, and let not the one who abstains pass judgment on the one who eats, for James999 has welcomed him. Who are you to pass judgment on the servant of another? It is before his own master that he stands or falls. And he will be upheld, for the James999 is able to make him stand. One person esteems one day as better than another, while another esteems all days alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind. ...

[smiths]

Most service providers such as your hairdresser will not have the same level of life changing information about your private life as the prostitute, and for that reason the personal information you share needs a different level of safe keeping. It doesn't even need to be blackmail, having the knowledge can lead to indiscretion and revelation.

Everyone has their own boundaries, but it surprises how exposed some guys leave themselves.

Yes this is the crucial point of course, I can happily natter away to my barber in the knowledge it is very very unlikely to make any odds to my life, same with my builder, financial consultant etc, that is NOT the case with WGs who MIGHT make a difference for the worst to my life if I gave them enough real information on me.

And I totally agree with your last sentence, it still surprises me when punters who have been members on here for a while have problems with WGs because they gave the WG too much real info about themselves. With genuine newbie punters I am not surprised at all as some will be naïve and too trusting and I can understand that.

[GBush]

As for the one who is weak in faith, welcome him, but not to quarrel over opinions. One person believes he may eat anything, while the weak person eats only vegetables. Let not the one who eats despise the one who abstains, and let not the one who abstains pass judgment on the one who eats, for James999 has welcomed him. Who are you to pass judgment on the servant of another? It is before his own master that he stands or falls. And he will be upheld, for the James999 is able to make him stand. One person esteems one day as better than another, while another esteems all days alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind. ...

Hahahaha - you fucking wind up merchant

[johnnyboy61]

Most service providers such as your hairdresser will not have the same level of life changing information about your private life as the prostitute, and for that reason the personal information you share needs a different level of safe keeping. It doesn't even need to be blackmail, having the knowledge can lead to indiscretion and revelation.

Everyone has their own boundaries, but it surprises how exposed some guys leave themselves.

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We can discuss our lives without being too specific. The thread was about being friendly without being friends. I have no prossie friends, but am friendly with many. Not that I have a hairdresser, but if I did I would possibly discuss specifics of my family and job with them and where I live, but not with a WG. In fact if I go for an incall at a WGs house I already have far more information on them than they will ever have on me.

Personallyfor me it's always punting phone, punting email, never giving my full name, not giving place of work or the exact location of where I live or parking my car where it can be seen. If she chooses to show me a photo of her kids, that's up to her, and in any case what can I do with a photo glanced at on a mobile, even if I were sick enough to want to do so?

I know that the TYE episode has reminded us of the importance of keeping personal info safe, and I have more reason than most to recognise this, having been one of her targets, but the fact that she could do no more than send me an initial threatening email was because there is no more information out there. (OK, as a precaution I did email all the WG I had reviewed recently pretty pronto to ensure they knew what was happening if TYE contacted them for any info, other than the obvious physical information - including average dick size, I don't think there was much they could have given to identify me anyway.)

Anyone who has booked a WG for an outcall to their own home has already shared too much information in my opinion.

[Cuntminion]

Sorry for long post but here goes

Your friendly not friends

Remember that

[GBush]

Sorry to be a pedantic twat

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[LoneWolf2020]

Is it not a good idea to let your regular "prossie" move in with you then?

I had one girl ask last year and plead that she had nowehre else to stay but I was still a bit hesitant around her after her pimp had called me up and  threatened to kill me for having her stay overnignt with me in a hotel.

Must avoid these Romanians and their pimps from now on.

good grief ive never had anything like this happen in 12 years of punting. So glad im not the daft, soppy sod type that gets involved in the drama side of things.

[akauya]

Bloody hell, what a ridiculously long posting, I'll have to develop some good one-liners like some other members to make up for it for my next few postings. Sorry.

That's the only thing I agree with your very long post. Sorry, no offence but IMO you just demonstrated that some men are not cut out for punting.

Call me a cold hearted bastard but I never, ever want to get involved in prossies' private lives. Not interested in making them have orgasms (I know they won't have an orgasm with me. Not deluded enough to think that I'm that good in bed). Just as I'm not interested in my plumber's private life or hairdresser (if I had a hairdresser). I'm also convinced that the last thing prossies want is a fat, ugly middle aged man being interested in their private lives or whether I can make them come with my "amazing" tongue or not.

Don't get me wrong. I'm always very polite, courteous, respectful of prossies during my visit. Maybe it's because my emotional needs are taken care of by my wife and fuck buddy/lover that I see prostitutes strictly as a business transaction. I don't need any ego massaging like that twat Deviant who thinks prossies love him.

If I were a prossie the last thing I'd want is an ugly cunt like me trying to become friends and poking into my private life.

[AnthG]

I think this might be the girl the OP is talking about and if so, he had a massive near miss there as she has bareback down in her profile

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[GBush]

That's a big unit

[johnnyboy61]

That's the only thing I agree with your very long post. Sorry, no offence but IMO you just demonstrated that some men are not cut out for punting.

If I were a prossie the last thing I'd want is an ugly cunt like me trying to become friends and poking into my private life.

Been punting for over twenty years, mainly with regs and never had one refuse to see me again yet, so if I'm not cut out for it, it's taking a long time to catch up with me. There's more than one way to skin a cat (sorry Comaminion, just a turn of phrase!). I don't seek to become friends with WGs, just friendly, that was the whole point of my post. Nothing expected or sought outside of paid meets, but if a girl chooses to share certain aspects of her private life with me, that's up to her. If another girl doesn't then equally ok, and I certainly never go poking into private lives.

As for giving RO and enjoying trying to give a WG an orgasm this has probably been done to death in other threads, but I respect those who see it as a waste of their money and time, but there are many members on here that also enjoy this activity. Each to their own.

[vw]

Been punting for over twenty years, mainly with regs and never had one refuse to see me again yet, so if I'm not cut out for it, it's taking a long time to catch up with me. There's more than one way to skin a cat (sorry Comaminion, just a turn of phrase!). I don't seek to become friends with WGs, just friendly, that was the whole point of my post. Nothing expected or sought outside of paid meets, but if a girl chooses to share certain aspects of her private life with me, that's up to her. If another girl doesn't then equally ok, and I certainly never go poking into private lives.

As for giving RO and enjoying trying to give a WG an orgasm this has probably been done to death in other threads, but I respect those who see it as a waste of their money and time, but there are many members on here that also enjoy this activity. Each to their own.

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Seems some think their is only one way or one motive and that's their way ! It was you have to shave our ball last week or your punting is doomed, again never doomed here !

[Cuntminion]

Sorry to be a pedantic twat

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[Hungarian Lover]

I think this might be the girl the OP is talking about and if so, he had a massive near miss there as she has bareback down in her profile

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do me a favour! SEXY SARAH, lovely slim girl small bottom no bare back either. Do a search her report is still in the forum.

[vw]

do me a favour! SEXY SARAH, lovely slim girl small bottom no bare back either. Do a search her report is still in the forum.

Cannot find on AW unless these events have happened

She has been binge eating loads, maybe pining because her friend the "Hungry Lover" just wanted her for sex.   

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She maybe after meeting you got old before her time

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[Bud$]

She could be saying that she doesn't want to have sex with you if you pay her. The only way to find out is, as has been suggested, ask her to go out a few times - Nandos, the Cinema, an art gallery - whatever. If she says "No, thanks" you've got your answer. If she says, "Ok, that would be nice" then take her out if you're keen on her in other ways apart from just for sex. The truth rocks, mate. But take it easy - don't try it on too soon. Be a perfect gentleman. Don't even try to kiss her 'goodnight' after the date. If you play your cards right and are honest with her (don't be too honest - don't tell her you want to shag her), you can't lose. If you leave it as it is, you will be left to wonder, "What if...."

[Hungarian Lover]

All well and good, but she lives in Hungary and I live in Blighty! We are just friends and no amount of dosh will change that. What really gets me though is I've spent a lot of money on her with many punts and if she comes back you lucky buggers get a quality gfe fuck for 80 quid where as I get fuck all ! Talk about frustrating. Hope to see Ella and relieve myself with her.

[akauya]

Been punting for over twenty years, mainly with regs and never had one refuse to see me again yet, so if I'm not cut out for it, it's taking a long time to catch up with me. There's more than one way to skin a cat (sorry Comaminion, just a turn of phrase!). I don't seek to become friends with WGs, just friendly, that was the whole point of my post. Nothing expected or sought outside of paid meets, but if a girl chooses to share certain aspects of her private life with me, that's up to her. If another girl doesn't then equally ok, and I certainly never go poking into private lives.

As for giving RO and enjoying trying to give a WG an orgasm this has probably been done to death in other threads, but I respect those who see it as a waste of their money and time, but there are many members on here that also enjoy this activity. Each to their own.

Was I being preachy? I was wasn't I? Didn't mean to, so sorry johnyboy. To expand a bit further now that I have a bit more time to type. Of course there is more than one way to skin commaminion but I noticed that the majority of the big drama (the *gate type) threads are because a punter and a prossie got too close/friendly with each other and their personal lives or personalities start interfering with each other. Also I seem to be in a minority that I don't have regulars. I definitely make an effort to avoid having regulars. Most of my punting friends whom I chat on here have regulars and some of them get very friendly with their prossies. I'm sure they find me odd for not having regulars. But you know what, being completely "invisible" is fucking brilliant.

I would be very surprised if a prossie starts sending me threatening emails because none of them know who I am.

So every time I see a thread of some punter having prossie aggro I just know 90% they were too friendly with each other, or their friendly prossie got problems with another prossie and he is dragged into their bitchy wars or something like that. I could be wrong but that seems to happen a lot.

Is my way the best way? Of course not but it works for me, it has worked for the last 30 years. I have never had any prossie aggro ever (this does not mean that I have never had shitty service, of course I have but that's not what I'm talking about) and as long as I continue to punt completely incognito, hopefully I will continue to avoid prossie dramas.

I would strongly advice punters, newbie and veterans alike, to punt incognito always.

[smiths]

Was I being preachy? I was wasn't I? Didn't mean to, so sorry johnyboy. To expand a bit further now that I have a bit more time to type. Of course there is more than one way to skin commaminion but I noticed that the majority of the big drama (the *gate type) threads are because a punter and a prossie got too close/friendly with each other and their personal lives or personalities start interfering with each other. Also I seem to be in a minority that I don't have regulars. I definitely make an effort to avoid having regulars. Most of my punting friends whom I chat on here have regulars and some of them get very friendly with their prossies. I'm sure they find me odd for not having regulars. But you know what, being completely "invisible" is fucking brilliant.

I would be very surprised if a prossie starts sending me threatening emails because none of them know who I am.

So every time I see a thread of some punter having prossie aggro I just know 90% they were too friendly with each other, or their friendly prossie got problems with another prossie and he is dragged into their bitchy wars or something like that. I could be wrong but that seems to happen a lot.

Is my way the best way? Of course not but it works for me, it has worked for the last 30 years. I have never had any prossie aggro ever (this does not mean that I have never had shitty service, of course I have but that's not what I'm talking about) and as long as I continue to punt completely incognito, hopefully I will continue to avoid prossie dramas.

I would strongly advice punters, newbie and veterans alike, to punt incognito always.

Certainly some of the threats have been due to a punter giving the WG/low life too much real info about himself, the point is its very clear to me from reading some posts that some punters treat punting as dating and act accordingly telling the WG too much real info when to me there is no advantage to doing so, however much I might rate the WG. And of course a punter can only be outed if he gives another too much real info unless the WG or low life doing the outing follows him from the WGs place to his place which I would think is only going to be a possibility if the punter posts the date and time of a punt in advance on here, which is usually done for bragging reasons I have observed, there is again no advantage to doing this if you care about being as anonymous as possible but still post on here. Its really basic common sense but I do appreciate some punters haven't got any sadly.

In my case unless its on here through PM they cant email me as I don't email WGs for them to be able to email me back, not that that would get them far as I would use a punting email address anyway, amazing how many punters don't though as some WGs have consistently posted on here and elsewhere over the years. I am also not on Twatter or similar. That leaves my punting number, easily changed and my description to go on, that's thin pickings for scum like Asianbeast who most definitely hates me after we clashed on another forum when I slapped him down for talking up prices at one of his fave brothels, he PMd me on that forum moaning at me.

I have always had regulars and have had EAS in the past but that wont happen again as I have learnt the hard way, so no downside for me in having regulars but obviously that's me, you don't have regulars and that suits you.

[johnnyboy61]

But you know what, being completely "invisible" is fucking brilliant.

I would be very surprised if a prossie starts sending me threatening emails because none of them know who I am.

Is my way the best way? Of course not but it works for me, it has worked for the last 30 years. I have never had any prossie aggro ever (this does not mean that I have never had shitty service, of course I have but that's not what I'm talking about) and as long as I continue to punt completely incognito, hopefully I will continue to avoid prossie dramas.

I would strongly advice punters, newbie and veterans alike, to punt incognito always.

Akauya, actually the main reason why I became a recent target for Tight Young Ebony was down to my membership and contributions to UKP as I had previously had no contact with her at all in any shape or form, and of course she had nothing to identify me except for the list of girls that I had seen from my reviews on UKP and I could tell her to go and pick on someone else. I did make the mistake of leaving feedback on AW close to my UKP reviews so she linked my two identities and used AW to email me, but I'm far from alone in making this error, and it is hardly going to identify me personally anyway.

I think anyone who contributes to UKP or other punting forums is not operating completely under the radar. Can you honestly say that it is impossible for any of the girls that you have visited and subsequently reviewed not to link your face with your UKP moniker? You may also not be quite as "invisible" as you may consider yourself to be in other respects.  A quick scan down your review headings tells me that you like certain parties and a punter or a girl that had attended the same two parties that you subsequently reviewed might make an educated guess as to your UKP identity. Parlours are less likely to involve extended chat than an independent because of the knock on the door when time is up, but we also know of at least two parlours that you have visited. Sketchy details, yes, and certainly not enough to identify you, but food for thought never the less...

[Magicalstory]

Was I being preachy? I was wasn't I? Didn't mean to, so sorry johnyboy. To expand a bit further now that I have a bit more time to type. Of course there is more than one way to skin commaminion but I noticed that the majority of the big drama (the *gate type) threads are because a punter and a prossie got too close/friendly with each other and their personal lives or personalities start interfering with each other. Also I seem to be in a minority that I don't have regulars. I definitely make an effort to avoid having regulars. Most of my punting friends whom I chat on here have regulars and some of them get very friendly with their prossies. I'm sure they find me odd for not having regulars. But you know what, being completely "invisible" is fucking brilliant.

I would be very surprised if a prossie starts sending me threatening emails because none of them know who I am.

So every time I see a thread of some punter having prossie aggro I just know 90% they were too friendly with each other, or their friendly prossie got problems with another prossie and he is dragged into their bitchy wars or something like that. I could be wrong but that seems to happen a lot.

Is my way the best way? Of course not but it works for me, it has worked for the last 30 years. I have never had any prossie aggro ever (this does not mean that I have never had shitty service, of course I have but that's not what I'm talking about) and as long as I continue to punt completely incognito, hopefully I will continue to avoid prossie dramas.

I would strongly advice punters, newbie and veterans alike, to punt incognito always.

That's good advice, akauya. I do this for a sense of connection more than anything and to find/cultivate a regular for whom I'm the opposite of invisible so I started looking for someone who I could return to regularly (which is why I've visited SPs at different price ranges and sometimes much higher than others are willing to pay if I feel I can find it) but I respect your approach all the same. There's certainly far more risk in my approach!

[Donnie69]

From my experience it's not normally the WG that causes trouble.  It's more likely to be the boyfriend, husband or pimp.

One WG I used to know had a taste for violent psychopathic boyfriends who were always in and out of prison.
She herself was a really nice sweet person.  Her boyfriends were without a doubt utter lowlife scum.

This is a reason you should never trust a WG with any real information about yourself.

[smiths]

From my experience it's not normally the WG that causes trouble.  It's more likely to be the boyfriend, husband or pimp.

One WG I used to know had a taste for violent psychopathic boyfriends who were always in and out of prison.
She herself was a really nice sweet person.  Her boyfriends were without a doubt utter lowlife scum.

This is a reason you should never trust a WG with any real information about yourself.

Absolutely right, as a punter I simply don't know any WGs real life so to be sure I tell them nothing true anymore, and even more reason to do this with nutters like Asianbeast/McFly and TYE about.