BathBabes pleads guilty to brothel keeping

[OldAdmin]

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Pleaded guilty last month.
Apparently October 5th was sentencing date but haven't found anything on Google.
Judge said expect jail time and £100,000 confiscation order.

Here is some history as he was UKP member:
BathBabes had issues with that other site so he migrated to UKP when it was created in August 2010.
He got the regulars who used his agency to join UKP and a big thread about the agency ran.
After 2 years I became owner of UKP.
6 months or so later someone joined to post allegations against him.
He wanted the posts removed, I ignored / was busy with something else.
He threatened to get his mates in police against me if I did not delete the posts.
He got instant banned for that.
His regulars were not happy.
I also accused him of using a fake account called "perfectpunter" to tout on UKP. I had zero evidence, just my gut instinct. I was told by his regulars I was wrong and they knew he was a genuine punter. I didn't believe their bollocks.
A week or so later police officer from Avon & Somerset Constabulary contacted me saying they had arrested him and took interest in my public post about his threat of getting mates in police against me. She wanted a statement from me about it. I posted a screenshot in the thread of his threat (link below) and she said that was sufficient for them and no statement was needed anymore. She said they weren't interested in any WG or punter, just the owner.
She sent me a request for info on his account, counter-signed by a senior police officer.
I was more than happy to provide.
I posted a thread about being contacted by police on UKP but didn't name him, BathBabes fanboys knew I was talking about their pimp mate and weren't happy I helped police.
Many months later the police officer contacted me again saying a tablet they seized from him had a login for "perfectpunter" so I was correct in my allegation against him, and could I send all account info on it. I did.
It confirmed what I said all along, "perfectpunter" was his fake touting account. And gave me a big smug face. And proved his fanboys were lying.

A long time of hearing nothing, I became disappointed in no prosecution.

But I got messaged a few weeks ago with the above link, in which he pleaded guilty.

So it took over 2 years from arrest to being found guilty.

Now I'm not saying the police arrested him after seeing my post, they were monitoring him for a while. I doubt what I provided would have even been used in prosecution, they probably had much better evidence.

But he was one of the many agency pimps who boast of police co-operation and how police approve of his agency, now proven quite clearly to have been a lie, like all the others who say the same about their agency.

Being threatened with police by agency pimps and prossies has been quite common in the years I've been site owner, it will result in instant banning. The desired result of spooking me into submission as if I was a 9 year old kid is not going to happen.

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[OldAdmin]

What a way to show up to court:
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[vw]

What a way to show up to court:
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Onslow's long lost twin

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[James999]

£100,000 confiscation order.

That seems a very low amount bearing in mind of the high profile of bathbabes and it was around for a long time 

[James999]

Sounds like he was a successful in the record industry 

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[pumps]

That seems a very low amount bearing in mind of the high profile of bathbabes and it was around for a long time 

I suppose it's not what you know, it's what you can prove.

[anyfucker]

What a way to show up to court:
...

maybe trying to show he hasn't got much money, hoping for a low fine?

[vw]

maybe trying to show he hasn't got much money, hoping for a low fine?

Surprised he didn't have the token walking stick that so many turn up with for the sympathy vote !

[Falstaff]

It's not clear to me whether:

1. The police arrested him for brothel-keeping and then found the forum account claiming a police relationship and the threat to you

or

2. They were fine about the brothel-keeping but routinely monitor the forums and took an interest in the police reference and related threat and then moved on him

But very interesting story anyway and thanks for sharing it Admin

[smiths]

That seems a very low amount bearing in mind of the high profile of bathbabes and it was around for a long time 

Same thing happened with that cunt who owned GP Parties who was also a member on here, he must of taken a hell of a lot more than his POCA judgement which was less than this guy. He either successfully filtered it beyond POCAs reach which due to his lack of brains I think is unlikely, more likely is he spent most of the cash funding his lifestyle so its gone.

[winkywanky]

Wow, a composer and record producer who'd worked with some big names, running a brothel?

I wonder why? Maybe just a nice little sideline for him. Or maybe he needed the money? Maybe he had a bad punting habit and this was a good way of getting all he wanted for free?

Admin, are you at liberty to to say what the allegations made here against him were? Was it these allegations that led to police interest in him? '...6 months or so later someone joined to post allegations against him.'

And I should imagine the police interest in his threats against you were so that they could throw the book at him, quite right too.

[winkywanky]

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He won't be seeing any of that for a while, maybe he'll be organising the prison Christmas Concert instead?

If Johnny Cash were still around, maybe he'd have got him to come and play at it?

[splodger69]

oooooh, are these his Bathbabes... Hidden Image/Members Only  from his pic gallery?!!   

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He won't be seeing any of that for a while, maybe he'll be organising the prison Christmas Concert instead?

If Johnny Cash were still around, maybe he'd have got him to come and play at it?

[Roth]

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He won't be seeing any of that for a while, maybe he'll be organising the prison Christmas Concert instead?

If Johnny Cash were still around, maybe he'd have got him to come and play at it?

Yep just add

As a pimp he has been involved in creaming off the earnings of some of the fine City of Bath's most amazing cock suckers.

As someone detained at Her Majesty's pleasure he runs the prison panto when not get his arse reamed out in the showers.

 

[splodger69]

I wonder if he might be the rear end of the panto horse....

Yep just add

As a pimp he has been involved in creaming off the earnings of some of the fine City of Bath's most amazing cock suckers.

As someone detained at Her Majesty's pleasure he runs the prison panto when not get his arse reamed out in the showers.

 

[Roth]

I wonder if he might be the rear end of the panto horse....

Probably front end connected up with the little pink connecting rod of the bloke behind! 

[splodger69]

haha, I guess either way, he is fucked!!

Probably front end connected up with the little pink connecting rod of the bloke behind! 

[OldAdmin]

Admin, are you at liberty to to say what the allegations made here against him were? Was it these allegations that led to police interest in him? '...6 months or so later someone joined to post allegations against him.'

I think it was this post:
https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=459.msg229527#msg229527

If I remember correctly, I initially told him to reply to the post to say the accusations were false, but I wasn't deleting them as they might be genuine and other people might feel confident to come out and verify them. He wasn't going to receive special treatment just because he was early UKP member.

[OldAdmin]

1. The police arrested him for brothel-keeping and then found the forum account claiming a police relationship and the threat to you

I believe they were going to arrest him anyway, months in planning.
The police officer initially used an account on UKP to PM me, asking me to call her police station. It was registered 2 months prior to his threat against me / banning.

[OldAdmin]

No doubt some of his fanboys knew "perfectpunter" was his fake touting account. Felt to me like they treated BathBabes like a god. The god who treated them to "young pussy" so defended and sucked up to him. It was proven that he also ran bareback parties. Possibly more dodgy shit that only his fanboys know of.

Many of them are now banned now anyway (for other reasons).

[SirFrank]

Yep just add

As a pimp he has been involved in creaming off the earnings of some of the fine City of Bath's most amazing cock suckers.

As someone detained at Her Majesty's pleasure he runs the prison panto when not get his arse reamed out in the showers.

 

[yorkshire123]

I think it was this post:
https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=459.msg229527#msg229527

Thanks for the link as I love reading old threads.
I only read a few pages but its quite evident that the Fan-boy concept isn't a new phenomenon 

[winkywanky]

I think it was this post:
https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=459.msg229527#msg229527

If I remember correctly, I initially told him to reply to the post to say the accusations were false, but I wasn't deleting them as they might be genuine and other people might feel confident to come out and verify them. He wasn't going to receive special treatment just because he was early UKP member.

Bloody hell, what a tangled old web that is!

And threatening you with a call from 'his mates' in the police to force you to say who was making the allegations, isn't exactly going to go down well with the Rozzers. Implicating them in this way was quite possibly what led to his ultimate downfall.

[DogFace36]

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[Horizontal pleasures]

What a way to show up to court:
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Lord walked out of the courtroom after the short hearing dressed in a dark striped shirt with grey waistcoat and trousers, and carrying a black briefcase.

[mh]

Lord walked out of the courtroom after the short hearing dressed in a dark striped shirt with grey waistcoat and trousers, and carrying a black briefcase.

Yes, I would love it to be true that he turned up to court like this but the picture captions say "David Lord pictured in Belgrave Place, Bath" which is where he ran the brothel. Now it could have been next door to the courthouse, but probably this was surveillance photos not court appearance photos.

[Roth]

Yes, I would love it to be true that he turned up to court like this but the picture captions say "David Lord pictured in Belgrave Place, Bath" which is where he ran the brothel. Now it could have been next door to the courthouse, but probably this was surveillance photos not court appearance photos.

Still with all the cash he skimmed off his prossies you'd of though the scruffy cunt could buy a decent set of strides. 

[greychap]

What a way to show up to court:
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Just goes to show all these pimps that boast about being mates with the police a load of bollocks the police are never mates with anyone and can turn on anyone at anytime.

It shows how serious he is taking the court case by turning up like he has just come off the beach

[AnthG]

It shows how serious he is taking the court case by turning up like he has just come off the beach

The judge is deciding how long to put him in prison for. Its blatant disrespect of the court coming into it like this and it could easily mean a harsher sentence. So why do it?

The person saying he should have come in with a cane was giving the best advice.

[greychap]

The judge is deciding how long to put him in prison for. Its blatant disrespect of the court coming into it like this and it could easily mean a harsher sentence. So why do it?

The person saying he should have come in with a cane was giving the best advice.

He's solicitor would have told him to dress smart surely. Just for turning up like that he should be given extra time.

He looks dodgy as fuck.

[LoneWolf2020]

how ironic bathbabes looked like he needed a damn good bath.... and the only 'babe' he resembled was the pig.

[Silverado]

Having visited both Bristol Crown Court and the brothel in Belgrave Place on many occasions, I can unfortunately confirm that the photo is of Belgrave Place in Bath and not outside court.

The likely confiscation order of £100,000 will represent his Available Assets (for POCA purposes) and not necessarily the amount of his "gain".

I suspect that sentencing has been delayed. There's been a lot going on in Bristol Crown Court at the moment.

All that I can get for case number T20150408 (David Jeremy Lord) is:

12 June 2015 - Preliminary Hearing. Court 10. His Honour Judge Roach.

30 July 2015 - Preliminary Hearing. Court 10. His Honour Judge Ambrose. Finished 11:56am.

7 September 2015 - Plea. Court 6. His Honour Judge Lambert.

[johnny34]

... and the only 'babe' he resembled was the pig.

Wonder if he went to University with David Cameron? 

[OldAdmin]

Over the years I've come across IPs belonging to law enforcement and local government reading UKP.
Sometimes I look into the logs to find which threads those IPs have read, and they tend to be for certain parlour / agency operating in their area. While it's possible it's someone looking for info for a punt (either police officer or civilian working in police force), the majority are likely to be for investigations.

Some might get paranoid about that, I've at times gotten panicking PMs requesting post deletion just in case police read them. Sometimes mistakenly believing it's illegal to pay for sex.

But personally I don't care that law enforcement read UKP, whether as site owner or if I made any post about my punting experiences, even if I still lived in UK. It's not illegal to pay for sex in the UK just yet (well unless WG is underaged, trafficked, coerced).

[winkywanky]

Some might get paranoid about that, I've at times gotten panicking PMs requesting post deletion just in case police read them.

Did you mean: 'I've at times gotten panicking MP's requesting post deletion just in case police read them...' 

[mh]

Its blatant disrespect of the court coming into it like this and it could easily mean a harsher sentence. So why do it?

He's solicitor would have told him to dress smart surely. Just for turning up like that he should be given extra time.

Yes, I would love it to be true that he turned up to court like this but the picture captions say "David Lord pictured in Belgrave Place, Bath" which is where he ran the brothel. Now it could have been next door to the courthouse, but probably this was surveillance photos not court appearance photos.

Confirmed:

Having visited both Bristol Crown Court and the brothel in Belgrave Place on many occasions, I can unfortunately confirm that the photo is of Belgrave Place in Bath and not outside court.

[Silverado]

Pleaded guilty last month.
Apparently October 5th was sentencing date but haven't found anything on Google.

Sentencing is tomorrow (Friday) before His Honour Judge Mercer QC in Court 8.
 

[Silverado]

One year custodial sentence suspended for 24 months, plus POCA confiscation order of £100,000.



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"The man who ran a brothel at a house in Bath was spared jail thanks to glowing character references from prostitutes.

David Malcolm Lord was ordered to pay £100,000 after admitting to keeping and managing the brothel at his Victorian home in Belgrave Place.

The sum is equivalent to the amount police estimated he made from his "escort agency" Bath Babes over 20 months.

Lord will go to prison if he does not pay the full amount within three months, and was also handed a one-year prison sentence suspended for 24 months.

Good character references, including from prostitutes, were part of the reason the 71-year-old did not receive an immediate custodial sentence.

Bristol Crown Court heard that the once-famous music producer acted as "webmaster" for four prostitutes working from his Victorian home.

He booked their jobs, answered client emails and provided condoms and a phone.

Lord took a £30 cut from fees charged by the call girls: £130 per hour for sex and £180 for threesomes.

James Tucker, defending, described Lord as: "An older gentleman of an avuncular nature proving a safe haven."

Prosecutor James Ward acknowledged that Bath Babes was unique because: "There was no violence or coercion to the girls."

Sentencing Lord on Friday, October 9, Judge Geoffrey Mercer QC told him he had good character references from a "wide range of people who speak with one voice very highly of you".

Lord, who set up Bath's first commercial recording studio, has worked with a string of famous artists including Peter Gabriel, Kate Bush, Tears for Fears, The Stranglers and The Pretenders.

After being sentenced, he thanked the judge for "being so fair" but wondered why police had targeted him when brothels are commonplace in Bath.

"There are loads of places in Bath and Bristol doing exactly the same as I was doing, which the police are aware of," he said. "I don't know why they went for me."

Lord was caught by police in a sting operation in which undercover officers paid cash to prostitutes at his home.

Specific directions to 3 Belgave Place were given on the Bath Babes website because clients often turned up at the wrong address, 3 Belgrave Place, instead.

Lord had previously denied five other charges related to organising prostitution.

All seven charges covered a period of 20 months from January 2012."




 


 

[mh]

Prosecutor James Ward acknowledged that Bath Babes was unique because: "There was no violence or coercion to the girls."

What bollocks. Unique! Perhaps unique in Bath...

[mh]

Specific directions to 3 Belgave Place were given on the Bath Babes website because clients often turned up at the wrong address, 3 Belgrave Place, instead.

I don't see any sign of a "Belgave" anything in Bath... Looks like the court reporter had a long liquid lunch before writing that paragraph.

[vw]

I don't see any sign of a "Belgave" anything in Bath... Looks like the court reporter had a long liquid lunch before writing that paragraph.

It was in Bristol called Bath babes

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[akauya]

Interesting how the prossies defended their pimp:

"The man who ran a brothel at a house in Bath was spared jail thanks to glowing character references from prostitutes"

I'm sure none of them were coerced to give glowing references 

[mh]

It was in Bristol called Bath babes

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Right, but where does "Belgave" come into it? Can't see a Belgave Place in Bath or Bristol!

Specific directions to 3 Belgave Place were given on the Bath Babes website because clients often turned up at the wrong address, 3 Belgrave Place, instead.

[vw]

Right, but where does "Belgave" come into it? Can't see a Belgave Place in Bath or Bristol!

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Follow the link to the google map 3 Belgrave PL

[mh]

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Follow the link to the google map 3 Belgrave PL

Yes, I did follow your link, I can see that is in Bristol. But the reporter said directions were given to 3 Belgave Place because people went to the wrong address, 3 Belgrave Place. I couldn't find a Belgave place in Bath or Bristol.

[vw]

Yes, I did follow your link, I can see that is in Bristol. But the reporter said directions were given to 3 Belgave Place because people went to the wrong address, 3 Belgrave Place. I couldn't find a Belgave place in Bath or Bristol.

You must be on a phone every time i click the link belgrave place is the red pin !

Belgrave Pl, Bristol, City of Bristol BS8 3DD

And for Bath

Belgrave Place, Bath, Bath and North East Somerset BA1 5JL

[Silverado]

I think that the confusion is between Belgrave Place and Belgrave Crescent. The first time I went to Bath Babes was to see Louise in September 2000. It took me a long time to find Belgrave Place because it's part of Camden Road and not signposted. I had to ask a couple of people.

It was a complete waste of my time anyway as she cancelled at the last minute due to illness whilst I was waiting outside.

[winkywanky]

He got his punishment, he gets to hand back £100,000 or he goes to jail.

£30 from every booking doesn't sound too extravagant if he was doing the girls' admin, paperwork and supplying their work premises?

I think this is just a heartwarming story about a lovely old codger helping down-at-heel girls!   

[Silverado]

I think this is just a heartwarming story about a lovely old codger helping down-at-heel girls!   

Perhaps we should have a whip round to raise the £100,000 to save him from going to prison.

[winkywanky]

And as for his puzzlement as to why the police should target him specifically when there were/are other brothels in the area?

Maybe it was to do with his claiming his 'mates' in the police would protect him - eejit!