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Offline King Nuts

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I think the medical establishment has seen this coming for a while.

I doubt anyone's ever died of gonorrhea, and even if the drugs don't work, as long as you have a good immune system, it may well go away in time by itself. But the long term effects for some - mainly women - can be catastrophic.


vw

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They have seen it coming for years yet the medical establishment still fob people off with unnecessary antibiotics. And as for the farming industry, antibiotics uses as part of the diet rather than reacting to need.

Offline lostandfound

IMO there needs to be public funding on a significant scale to support the development of new antibiotics - not just for STDs - and not just in the UK - as it has proved unprofitable for the drug companies.

Offline stevedave

I was just coming on here to post a warning about this - as a Leeds punter it's a little concerning.

Super Gonorrhea...I don't think that means it's the crime fighting Gonorrhea, somehow...

Offline lostandfound

I was just coming on here to post a warning about this - as a Leeds punter it's a little concerning.

Super Gonorrhea...I don't think that means it's the crime fighting Gonorrhea, somehow...

Leaving aside the owo \ ow debate etc it seems a bit concerning to me if this is the first time the community at large has heard of it as the BBC report says the outbreak started in March.

Offline winkywanky

I used to see a lovely young girl called Anna a couple of years ago (London area). She was very fruity and we enjoyed OWO, CIM as well as protected vaginal and anal.

She used to go to (paid) all-night parties somewhere south of London where there were all sorts of dodgy types, with drugs, all sorts. I found I couldn't book her for around 6 weeks and when I finally got hold of her again she was very vanilla. I asked her why: she'd got oral gonorrhea and it took her ages to shift it, even though she presented asap at a GUM clinic and they'd given her antibiotics. It took several types to rid her of it, finally she was clean. She disappeared off the radar soon after.

And what I've noticed while noodling around on AW, is a preponderance of BB providers in Yorkshire and the general area. So whilst rather shocking, the above BBC News link doesn't surprise me in the slightest.
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Offline Vivago

And what I've noticed while noodling around on AW, is a preponderance of BB providers in Yorkshire and the general area. So whilst rather shocking, the above BBC News link doesn't surprise me in the slightest.

Apropos of absolutely fuck all, I recall reading somewhere that Donny was the Chlamydia capital of Europe. A much needed feather in its cap?
Banned reason: For taking the piss after being advised
Banned by: Head1

jcdmj12

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Am trying to find some sensible (i.e. non-MSM sources on this) to see how bad the problem really it, and what treatment alternatives are.  Otherwise it could be the end of OWO  :cry:

Offline Watts.E.Dunn

Umm .. that has been coming for a while it was reported in Australia but resistance isn't a new thing. There're crafty little buggers bacteria they really are they can adapt and modify and change their spots . After all one organism is being pitted against another and when that happens then behaviour gets modified to counter that attack.

The problem is that there have been no new antibiotics for a very long time and we're really well behind on this one. A lot of illnesses are getting antibiotic resistant note the resistant some can be cured by multi therapy i.e. more then one at once but there's got to be a lot of new research and some of it is looking at the basic DNA of the bug concerned, a sort of designer drug if you will.

But our best bet is not to get the damn critters in the first place and that means safe shagging and that means YOU as lord Kitchener s poster so  implied;)

jcdmj12

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Looks like a lot of it is down to poor treatment from GPs. The US has got it under control by treating it properly:

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Offline King Nuts

Am trying to find some sensible (i.e. non-MSM sources on this) to see how bad the problem really it, and what treatment alternatives are.  Otherwise it could be the end of OWO  :cry:

OWO has always been risky, now as much as it ever was. Years ago, pre the EE invasion, you couldn't get OWO from a tart. Well, I never experienced it, but didn't ask, so maybe it was there for the cognoscenti.

First time I experienced OWO as part of a paid-for sexual event would've been around 2002-2003.

But back in the 80s and 90s I knew guys who'd had it from civvies and caught something from them then.


Offline winkywanky

Another good reason for visiting and getting treated by a GUM Clinic, especially a good one like Dean St (notwithstanding their little email gaffe recently).

A GUM Clinic will be totally up-to-date with the latest disease trends and treatments, because they are specialists.

However good a GP is, he has to know a bit about everything - he can't know everything about everything.

Offline Metal gear

As a newcomer to punting is this likely to put anyone off, or will you just be a bit more selective with who you see?

vw

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As a newcomer to punting is this likely to put anyone off, or will you just be a bit more selective with who you see?
Hasn't put me off have faith in the GUM clinic just none in my GP !  Go to those that know for maintenance & MOT !

Offline akauya

As a newcomer to punting is this likely to put anyone off, or will you just be a bit more selective with who you see?

Although nothing is 100% safe (apart from celibacy); as long as you practice safe sex you should be OK - and by safe sex I mean covered oral too.

Offline claretandblue

Leaving aside the owo \ ow debate etc it seems a bit concerning to me if this is the first time the community at large has heard of it as the BBC report says the outbreak started in March.
It's by no means the first time it has been mentioned, there have been numerous discussions about this super strain which is resistant to antibiotics, of course it is a concern but I don't think I will be giving up owo just yet but people should be aware of it and make their own judgement

PuntAMunter

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Although nothing is 100% safe (apart from celibacy); as long as you practice safe sex you should be OK - and by safe sex I mean covered oral too.

Had my first ever covered oral punt recently and I'm normally an OWO / CIM guy. Have to say it didn't suck as much as I expected - pun intended  :lol:

Not saying it would be my first choice but I probably wouldn't knock it so much now. Maybe given the current STI climate a few OW punts is not such a bad idea.

Offline shagbambi

I think the thread highlights the importance of being tested and screened by a GUM clinic and not a GP.  If you don't wish to go to a clinic and prefer to see a doctor privately you will find that the majority of dermatologists are also specialists in venereal diseases.

Offline claretandblue

I think the thread highlights the importance of being tested and screened by a GUM clinic and not a GP.  If you don't wish to go to a clinic and prefer to see a doctor privately you will find that the majority of dermatologists are also specialists in venereal diseases.
I would never bother with a gp for a sexual related issue straight to the gum
All I would ever see a gp for is if I needed to get a referral to a medical specialist of some sort

slow and low

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OWO has always been risky, now as much as it ever was. Years ago, pre the EE invasion, you couldn't get OWO from a tart. Well, I never experienced it, but didn't ask, so maybe it was there for the cognoscenti.

First time I experienced OWO as part of a paid-for sexual event would've been around 2002-2003.

But back in the 80s and 90s I knew guys who'd had it from civvies and caught something from them then.
+ 1 Owo was unheard of around late 90s in London. Your right, only around 2002 did it suddenly started emerging on the menu at flats like Twice as Nice in Maida Vale.

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Only time I got an std was from uncovered oral. No question about it OWO is very risky, as is going down ona girl.

But this really isn't an issue about seeing hookers. Too many guys I know are sensible with hookers but when they pull a civvie seem to think they are safe. The reason studs have exploded in this country is because girls now actually want to be known as having fucked lots of guys!

If you don't believe me set up a fake tinder account with some fake pictures of a male model and then turn the conversation to see immediately! You will find rather then ignore you girls initiate wanting to meet. Obviously you can't given the deception but it is a very useful way of keeping your finger on your pulse about women's attitudes.

And a quick perusal of SAAFE will demonstrate how hookers are very relaxed about bareback sex save for the chance they may get pregnant and how it will affect their benefits etc.

Real feel condoms is the way to go chaps for every sexual act.

slow and low

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It's by no means the first time it has been mentioned, there have been numerous discussions about this super strain which is resistant to antibiotics, of course it is a concern but I don't think I will be giving up owo just yet but people should be aware of it and make their own judgement
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Offline smiths

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I think the medical establishment has seen this coming for a while.

I doubt anyone's ever died of gonorrhea, and even if the drugs don't work, as long as you have a good immune system, it may well go away in time by itself. But the long term effects for some - mainly women - can be catastrophic.

Very worrying KN, thanks for posting this up and I hope punters read it and seriously consider the risks they take when punting, and go to the GUM on a regular basis.

I punt on a risk to reward basis so take the risks I am prepared to take for the rewards on offer as I see them, so for ME that means OWO is essential but I wouldn't do BB. In punting I have no idea what a WG may be doing and with whom and realise this, its a pastime that isn't for the squeamish in my opinion.

If a punter wants to reduce his risks only do all covered services is my advice BUT there will still be a risk as there is with all sexual contact with a virtual or complete stranger, and that's not even taking into account a partner who might be cheating behind your back.

Offline smiths

I would never bother with a gp for a sexual related issue straight to the gum
All I would ever see a gp for is if I needed to get a referral to a medical specialist of some sort

Indeed. Another point with telling your GP is it will go on your medical records which I don't want to happen, so I go straight to a GUM and always give a false name.

ALSO, recently there was a data leak from the Dean Street clinic in London so never believe that cant happen to you is my advice to punters. So if you care go anonymous, if you test positive that might have to change but as long as you test negative its the wise thing to do in my view.

jcdmj12

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OWO has always been risky, now as much as it ever was.

For sure, but it's a question of what you're risking.  Something unpleasant which can be sorted with some antibiotics, or something incurable.

Offline claretandblue

Indeed. Another point with telling your GP is it will go on your medical records which I don't want to happen, so I go straight to a GUM and always give a false name.

ALSO, recently there was a data leak from the Dean Street clinic in London so never believe that cant happen to you is my advice to punters. So if you care go anonymous, if you test positive that might have to change but as long as you test negative its the wise thing to do in my view.
Indeed, I am due to return for a check up and to complete the hep b vaccination, bar my actual date of birth all other information I have given theme is false

Offline smiths

Indeed, I am due to return for a check up and to complete the hep b vaccination, bar my actual date of birth all other information I have given theme is false

Very wise. :thumbsup:

Offline claretandblue

Very wise. :thumbsup:
Is quite surreal when you are sitting in the waiting room while they call out your fake name,last time she had to shout out three times before I remembered it was me  :D

Offline smiths

Is quite surreal when you are sitting in the waiting room while they call out your fake name,last time she had to shout out three times before I remembered it was me  :D

Yes that can be a problem. :D

Offline lostandfound

It's by no means the first time it has been mentioned, there have been numerous discussions about this super strain which is resistant to antibiotics, of course it is a concern but I don't think I will be giving up owo just yet but people should be aware of it and make their own judgement

This is the first report of this outbreak which started six months ago, and that outbreak is the first of such a resistant strain in the UK. Whilst there have been many discussions of such resistant strains they've not been based upon a UK occurrence.


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Offline claretandblue

This is the first report of this outbreak which started six months ago, and that outbreak is the first of such a resistant strain in the UK. Whilst there have been many discussions of such resistant strains they've not been based upon a UK occurrence.
I will repeat again,talk of super ghonnorea which is resistant to antibiotics has been discussed on here before,search on here if you don't believe me

vw

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I will repeat again,talk of super ghonnorea which is resistant to antibiotics has been discussed on here before,search on here if you don't believe me
Correct earliest mention in 2013, just a recycled story by the press to batter GP's .  Is their pay review coming up ?

https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=12605.msg191079;topicseen#msg191079

again in June

https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=7319.msg107291;topicseen#msg107291



Offline lostandfound

I will repeat again,talk of super ghonnorea which is resistant to antibiotics has been discussed on here before,search on here if you don't believe me

Thank you - I did not say it had not been discussed before - so I will repeat again, that this is the first time an outbreak in the UK has been discussed.

vw

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Thank you - I did not say it had not been discussed before - so I will repeat again, that this is the first time an outbreak in the UK has been discussed.
Do you mean first case in the UK ? And before the discussion was about the potential for immigrants or travellers to bring it in as it wasn't here before?

Offline lostandfound

Do you mean first case in the UK ? And before the discussion was about the potential for immigrants or travellers to bring it in as it wasn't here before?

This is the first time I've seen it reported, so maybe it is the first example in the UK.

However, the reports online (BBC, Guardian etc) describe this as the first national alert for such a strain, and says the outbreak started in March. I wonder if there have been cases before which were not publicly reported as this has now been.

Offline megadik

Scary!!!!!

Its already spread From This Thread to yours  :D

 :lol: :lol:  sorry for the duplicate.. someone more quicker than me ..  :D

Offline OakTree

I will repeat again,talk of super ghonnorea which is resistant to antibiotics has been discussed on here before,search on here if you don't believe me

It's my understanding that it's not totally resistant to all antibiotics but to the ones usually used against it.

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jcdmj12

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It's my understanding that it's not totally resistant to all antibiotics but to the ones usually used against it.

Yep, some of the 2nd line antibiotics which are effective against it (e.g. gentamicin) are really nasty though; can damage your hearing, kidneys, and require a hospital stay to administer. Try explaining that one to the missus. 

jcdmj12

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Uh-oh.  From:

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Exposure of Neisseria spp. to antimicrobials (for treatment of gonorrhea or other infections) can result in the selection of resistant strains, due to spontaneous gene mutations and/or acquisition of whole or parts of resistance genes. The commensal Neisseria spp. frequently inhabit the human body and, consequently, are exposed more frequently to antimicrobials than the transiently acquired gonococcus. Thus, resistance may initially emerge in commensal Neisseria spp., which act as a reservoir of AMR genes that can be readily transferred to gonococci through transformation, particularly in pharyngeal gonorrhea [1,17,34–36]. Pharyngeal gonorrhea is mostly asymptomatic, and gonococci and commensal Neisseria spp. can coexist for extended time periods in the pharynx and share genetic material.

Translation - gonorrhoea spread via OWO is more likely to be multi-drug resistant because it acquires resistance genes from related commensal (non-pathogenic - 'good') bacteria which live in the nose/throat.

Still trying to find out what the treatment protocol is for the strain in the North of England, though.
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brolin_76

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a new type of STD Super Gonorrhea is coming up from North of England. a national alert  :scare: :scare:

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Diehard

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a new type of STD Super Gonorrhea is coming up from North of England. a national alert  :scare: :scare:

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That's punting with northern girls at an end then!

Don Maestro

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would taking a good high quality mouthwash to the punt in a bag and using it as soon as the punt finished help in reducing the risk?
i was with a russian lady who after the punt went straight for what looked like some kind of mouth wash

Offline cueball

would taking a good high quality mouthwash to the punt in a bag and using it as soon as the punt finished help in reducing the risk?


Might burn a bit on your bell end

vw

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Might burn a bit on your bell end
tiger balm is the best for that, remember using it at cream fields and went for a piss without thinking !  £30 of bottled water to semi cure !

Offline claretandblue

Thank you - I did not say it had not been discussed before - so I will repeat again, that this is the first time an outbreak in the UK has been discussed.
It's not. ..,This is a case of lost and not found :hi:

Offline lostandfound

It's not. ..,This is a case of lost and not found :hi:

It clearly is the first - and potentially a big deal - which is why the OP made the post - and quite rightly - it is important to highlight it. Antibiotic resistant STDs in Tokyo or the US - I don't punt there so I'm unlikely to be affected by them - when they appear here in the UK, it's more likely I, and other UK based punters may be.
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