Agencies.

[smiths]

I have read some posts recently about Agencies and for newbie punters in particular I want to clarify a few facts.

An Agency is run by a pimp who by taking a cut of a WGs fees agreed or not is controlling prostitutes for gain which is illegal, though neither the WG/s or punters are breaking the law unless the WG was proved to have been underage or being coerced.

 A pimp can run an Agency from their parents back bedroom, i.e. from virtually anywhere as all they need is a computer and a mobile, they don't need expensive offices or indeed any business premises, if the deal is the WGs have to supply the premises, if the deal is the Agency does that then the pimp is also running a brothel, also illegal of course.

Agencies offer a punter no more protection from a bad punt than any other form of punting, because they call themselves an Agency and have glossy pictures on their site doesn't mean the WGs featured exist or offer a good service. The only way of finding this out is on here by asking punters you find credible. Agency reviews cant just be blindly believed as the pimp could of posted them online themselves, again UKP is the place to check out reviews.

Don't place your trust in an Agency just because their site looks professional, all that shows is the pimp or someone they know can put such a site online.

In my area, London, Agency prices start from about £150 an hour generally, check out the Wiki about Agencies and posts by Jason that are helpful and informative in my view. In the same areas or outside the central area of London there are A/W WGs who are charging less BUT have good reviews on here, ask yourself what does an Agency offer me that an A/W WG doesn't. In my view an Agency might have a number of WGs on offer and/or might be open 24/7, I don't need either option but I know its handy for some punters. For some punters they can build up some trust with the pimp so this can be another advantage for some.

Ultimately in London anyway Agencies ensure the prices they charge are high because they want their cut and factor that into the overall cost of course.

[tantric talents]

Great summary Smiths. I would agree entirely. I started my first few London punts with agencies and tbf I was lucky and they weren't bad. After discovering a/w and of course this forum I have never felt I needed to go back to them unless the girl was especially favourably mentioned here.
As a consequence I have met some lovely and stunning girls and saved a fortune too 

[smiths]

Great summary Smiths. I would agree entirely. I started my first few London punts with agencies and tbf I was lucky and they weren't bad. After discovering a/w and of course this forum I have never felt I needed to go back to them unless the girl was especially favourably mentioned here.
As a consequence I have met some lovely and stunning girls and saved a fortune too 

Thanks and that's good to hear, I hope some newbie punters who are considering Agencies will take the time to read reviews on A/W WGs on here and save themselves some money as well.

[MancSean]

Cheers for the post Smiths. I have been punting over 20 years and have never actually used an agency in the uk although have done on moscow but only a few times.
For me agency = rip off because of the facts you stated in your post. Once I progressed from parlours to indies I have never looked back. 
Been tempted recently though as Carly Simon works for one in MK and would like to shag her but just haven't got round to it

[NIK]

Yes, little to add except to say that newbies should all take notice of advice given by such an experienced punter as Smiths.

I too went down the agency route for many years, even after I was experienced, and would concede it is perhaps not the best way to go. A good indie is preferable  every time.
In my case I was perhaps too lazy to search out good indies, they are not easy to find - especially before UKP! - so it was much easier to book through an agency.

[smiths]

Cheers for the post Smiths. I have been punting over 20 years and have never actually used an agency in the uk although have done on moscow but only a few times.
For me agency = rip off because of the facts you stated in your post. Once I progressed from parlours to indies I have never looked back. 
Been tempted recently though as Carly Simon works for one in MK and would like to shag her but just haven't got round to it

Just to say Sean that's a parlour/brothel she works for in MK not an Agency, Divine the pimp wants punters to think its an Agency but he provides the WGs premises so its in fact a brothel, and at £120 an hour not a bad rate in my view.

[MancSean]

Just to say Sean that's a parlour/brothel she works for in MK not an Agency, Divine the pimp wants punters to think its an Agency but he provides the WGs premises so its in fact a brothel, and at £120 an hour not a bad rate in my view.

Didn't know that cheers pal. £120 is what's tempting me. I went to a GP party once when Tiffany Kingston was there and Carly was on the roster that day but never showed normal broken down car excuse.
Have you ever punted with Carly Smiths?

[smiths]

Didn't know that cheers pal. £120 is what's tempting me. I went to a GP party once when Tiffany Kingston was there and Carly was on the roster that day but never showed normal broken down car excuse.
Have you ever punted with Carly Smiths?

Just to say Sean I cant see her on the Divine parlour sites, does she use a different name do you know? 

Yes I punted with Karly years ago at a couple of parties, she was good I thought, and I punted with Tiffany Kingston at LMP a few times in 2009, I personally didn't particularly fancy her but she was friendly with a good attitude.

[vt]

Karlie is known as Chloe on there... External Link/Members Only

I've met her a number of times at parties, very likeable & easy-going Essex girl, quite shy & unassuming considering her pornstar status. She does have a body made for sin and has muscles that have a knack of milking you dry...nice kissing too.

I agree that HoD isn't an agency as defined in this thread. They provide premises, not just the bookings support. At £120 or £130ph, depending on location, they aren't overpriced, but do have a tendency to book the girls back-to-back which can mean punters lose some of their paid-for time.

There probably is better value by cutting out the middleman and booking AW indies, as many guys are finding good service at the £100ph or below price range. I have used HoD because they offer a 45min option which suits my one-pop strategy, plus they often have a number of plan-B girls available if plan-A fails to show on the day.

[smiths]

Karlie is known as Chloe on there... External Link/Members Only

I've met her a number of times at parties, very likeable & easy-going Essex girl, quite shy & unassuming considering her pornstar status. She does have a body made for sin and has muscles that have a knack of milking you dry...nice kissing too.

I agree that HoD isn't an agency as defined in this thread. They provide premises, not just the bookings support. At £120 or £130ph, depending on location, they aren't overpriced, but do have a tendency to book the girls back-to-back which can mean punters lose some of their paid-for time.

There probably is better value by cutting out the middleman and booking AW indies, as many guys are finding good service at the £100ph or below price range. I have used HoD because they offer a 45min option which suits my one-pop strategy, plus they often have a number of plan-B girls available if plan-A fails to show on the day.

Thanks for that, yes on price HOD in London at £130 an hour and the other Divine parlours in MK at £120 an hour are well priced in my view as long as the full time is given and a good service offered.

[Dime]

Good summary of agencies. The reason I only use agencies for punting is because you know exactly what you're getting. When I first started punting, I used indies from backpage and AW with varying degrees of success. However, none of them less me kiss them on the lips or do RO, which was a staple of all the girls as the Glasgow agency I use, therefore I only use that now.

[smiths]

Good summary of agencies. The reason I only use agencies for punting is because you know exactly what you're getting. When I first started punting, I used indies from backpage and AW with varying degrees of success. However, none of them less me kiss them on the lips or do RO, which was a staple of all the girls as the Glasgow agency I use, therefore I only use that now.

You might know what your getting but that doesn't mean other punters get it though of course. Not ALL Agencies offer a good honest service, good for you that the one/s you use do. A punter can only find out if an Agency is honest from other punters on here and the Wiki, just picking a random Agency because a punter like a WGs pictures could lead to punting disaster.

As to kissing and RO I have no problem finding WGs off A/W who offer both and there are many reviews that confirm many WGs offered both.

[shagbambi]

I use agencies for very short notice plan c punts when I have exhausted all other options....

[chodu1]

I am curious here: If it is so illegal why do some of the 'top tier' London agencies continue to be run, some after more than 10y in business?

Is it a case of police turning a blind eye? Or is it really the case that "what happens after the initial intro is out of the agency's control"?

Some of the agencies even have reviews saying stuff like "She was a great shag" blah blah. I can't believe the law is so impotent when faced with sneaky small print and legalese in these websites.

My view looking at various cases involving agencies is that run an agency and its fine. Start getting smart and deeper into the game eg provide accommodation, drivers, help with plane tickets etc and you quickly get picked up under trafficking laws.

 

[peter_bungee]

its the same with Parlours like HOD, running an operation with 2 girls+ is illegal and is basically a pimp

[password02]

Excellent summary smiths - A wealth of knowledge as always - 

[Dime]

My view looking at various cases involving agencies is that run an agency and its fine. Start getting smart and deeper into the game eg provide accommodation, drivers, help with plane tickets etc and you quickly get picked up under trafficking laws.

Good point, one  WG I was due to see at an agency was late due to a mix up between the phone receptionist and the girl, meaning I was left waiting outside on the steps of the incall flat for 45 minutes. She eventually arrived by taxi to the incall location- I assume the agency would pay her taxi fare???? Bearing in mind, she had to go to their office first of all to collect the flat keys.

[smiths]

I am curious here: If it is so illegal why do some of the 'top tier' London agencies continue to be run, some after more than 10y in business?

Is it a case of police turning a blind eye? Or is it really the case that "what happens after the initial intro is out of the agency's control"?

Some of the agencies even have reviews saying stuff like "She was a great shag" blah blah. I can't believe the law is so impotent when faced with sneaky small print and legalese in these websites.

My view looking at various cases involving agencies is that run an agency and its fine. Start getting smart and deeper into the game eg provide accommodation, drivers, help with plane tickets etc and you quickly get picked up under trafficking laws.

Because the police allow them to run just as they do parlours which are ALL brothels but some have been going for decades, Debbies in London was one mentioned the other day as being open for about 25 years.

As I posted above IF the pimp takes a cut of a WGs fees they are controlling prostitutes for gain which is illegal. Whether the police choose to act against them depends on the attitude of the top cops which could change at any time.

[smiths]

Good point, one  WG I was due to see at an agency was late due to a mix up between the phone receptionist and the girl, meaning I was left waiting outside on the steps of the incall flat for 45 minutes. She eventually arrived by taxi to the incall location- I assume the agency would pay her taxi fare???? Bearing in mind, she had to go to their office first of all to collect the flat keys.

To collect flat keys, so the premises was provided by the Agency, that makes it a brothel and is a VERY stupid thing for an Agency pimp to do, when if they were smart they would insist the WG provides her own premises be that her own flat/house or hotel room.

[smiths]

its the same with Parlours like HOD, running an operation with 2 girls+ is illegal and is basically a pimp

Just to clarify, a premises is a brothel even if only 1 WG works out of it BUT at any other time another WG also works out if it, it doesn't have to be 2 WGs +. So a brothel like I used to punt in at The Bunny Lounge only had 1 WG working per day but 1 different WG on different days, that was still a brothel.

[poi]

Very Good post Mr.Smith 

An example for price of a girl working in Agency and AW which I recently met her


External Link/Members Only   1 hour = £100 when she is working for herself and no cut involved by  her pimp .

and

price for same girl when you meet her through an agency  1 hour = £200

External Link/Members Only

[smiths]

Very Good post Mr.Smith 

An example for price of a girl working in Agency and AW which I recently met her


External Link/Members Only   1 hour = £100 when she is working for herself and no cut involved by  her pimp .

and

price for same girl when you meet her through an agency  1 hour = £200

External Link/Members Only

Thanks good example and just shows the difference paying Agency prices can make. I would say I have seen some WGs charging the same as a so called Indie as working at an Agency but your links illustrate how much difference there can be.

I also note the Agency have knocked 6 years off her A/W age, one less dress size and changed her nationality though still EE.

[akauya]

Very Good post Mr.Smith 

An example for price of a girl working in Agency and AW which I recently met her

External Link/Members Only   1 hour = £100 when she is working for herself and no cut involved by  her pimp .

and

price for same girl when you meet her through an agency  1 hour = £200

External Link/Members Only

The price is not the only difference. The agency lists her as a 19 year old whilst her profile on AW says 25.

[MancSean]

Just to say Sean I cant see her on the Divine parlour sites, does she use a different name do you know? 

Yes I punted with Karly years ago at a couple of parties, she was good I thought, and I punted with Tiffany Kingston at LMP a few times in 2009, I personally didn't particularly fancy her but she was friendly with a good attitude.

Sorry modified coz a link for Karly/Chloe already posted I saw. Now to read rest of thread

[trump_]

I appreciate this advice, as a newbie I was originally going for the perceived safety of an agency. But as a web developer I know throwing something up that looks pro takes no time and the amount of basic mistakes on things like age, or country of origin suggests they dont have that much to do with the girls at all.

I just thought I would say lots of people lurk on the forum like I was so stating the obvious isnt a bad thing, I would never have decided to go for an independent if it weren't for the reviews and advice here.

I never liked the idea of paying a middle man but felt it was safer.

[peter_bungee]

I have seen Karlie/Chloe a few years back at HOD, she was pretty and friendly, but extremely dull/quiet as mentioned on here, nothing like a porn star experience, if you are seeking that. 

[vw]

I never liked the idea of paying a middle man but felt it was safer.

These middle men often lie on websites, send a escort on false promises made up by them to make more sales. Potentially putting their ladies in a volatile situation.