AdultWork Hidden Client Notes .... is this fair ?

[masseyferguson]

I've just been reading this interesting thread  -

https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=28008.msg397105;topicseen#msg397105

and it's made me aware of a problem I have with the AW email / booking system.

I'm a busy self employed punter who punts only occasionally ( 5 or 6 x's / yr probably ), but at least partly because of this likes to do a lot of research into my prospective punts.
That's what this forum is all about for most of us.
So I like to exchange a few emails and clarify details because the AW profiles are so often vague or downright misleading, also because I'm busy/ have irregular availability I'm rarely able to book much in advance and often can't book at all.
If ever I do book I always scrupulously make contact and cancel asap if something crops up and I can't make it, I also always explain this reality to the provider - after all a prossie booking isn't something many of us can prioritise is it ?
Anyhow a few months back I booked ( she only accepts AW bookings ) and then had to cancel ( with about 12 hrs notice I seem to remember - it was an incall to her place not a hotel ) a girl who was high up on my Hotlist ( NOT, I must stress LittleHornyJessica ), unfortunately she responded badly ( why are prossies so touchy, every business has to deal with enquiries that for one reason or another don't result in a " sale " )  and said she'd read my " Client Notes" from other girls and it was obvious that I'm a serial timewaster. She blocked me I believe ( ? - how to tell ? ) and probably added her own negative comments about my reliability.
Now I'm noticing several providers read my emails but don't respond, possibly because they read my hidden feedback ( Client Notes ) .

Do Client Notes exist ?
 and
Is there anything that can be done about them ?

[Sienna_Bronze]

I've just been reading this interesting thread  -

https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=28008.msg397105;topicseen#msg397105

and it's made me aware of a problem I have with the AW email / booking system.

I'm a busy self employed punter who punts only occasionally ( 5 or 6 x's / yr probably ), but at least partly because of this likes to do a lot of research into my prospective punts.
That's what this forum is all about for most of us.
So I like to exchange a few emails and clarify details because the AW profiles are so often vague or downright misleading, also because I'm busy/ have irregular availability I'm rarely able to book much in advance and often can't book at all.
If ever I do book I always scrupulously make contact and cancel asap if something crops up and I can't make it, I also always explain this reality to the provider - after all a prossie booking isn't something many of us can prioritise is it ?
Anyhow a few months back I booked ( she only accepts AW bookings ) and then had to cancel ( with about 12 hrs notice I seem to remember - it was an incall to her place not a hotel ) a girl who was high up on my Hotlist ( NOT, I must stress LittleHornyJessica ), unfortunately she responded badly ( why are prossies so touchy, every business has to deal with enquiries that for one reason or another don't result in a " sale " )  and said she'd read my " Client Notes" from other girls and it was obvious that I'm a serial timewaster. She blocked me I believe ( ? - how to tell ? ) and probably added her own negative comments about my reliability.
Now I'm noticing several providers read my emails but don't respond, possibly because they read my hidden feedback ( Client Notes ) .

Do Client Notes exist ?
 and
Is there anything that can be done about them ?

Yes they most certainly exist for verified service providers and no i don't think there is anything service seekers can do about it. They are useful on some points but I have seen girls saying a punter was dangerous just because he was a member on here. I did alert that particular member because to me that just abusing the notes system.

[Happylad]

Reading Sienna`s post made me wonder whether there is, in fact, something that could be done about unjustified or malicious Client Notes on AW.

If one of our W.G. members felt like earning a little non-punting income on the side she could set up an informal consultancy, and for a small fee (payable in credits on AW) check for any Client Notes entered on the Client`s profile, with details of the  W.G. or W.G.s making the entry.  The Client could then use whatever means at his disposal to persuade whoever made the entries to remove them, such as a threat to reveal all on this site.  Such a threat may well work, but if it didn`t carrying out that threat would, at least, give a very wide audience the chance not to run a similar risk with the lady in question

[JuliusSeizure]

Reading Sienna`s post made me wonder whether there is, in fact, something that could be done about unjustified or malicious Client Notes on AW.

If one of our W.G. members felt like earning a little non-punting income on the side she could set up an informal consultancy, and for a small fee (payable in credits on AW) check for any Client Notes entered on the Client`s profile, with details of the  W.G. or W.G.s making the entry.  The Client could then use whatever means at his disposal to persuade whoever made the entries to remove them, such as a threat to reveal all on this site.  Such a threat may well work, but if it didn`t carrying out that threat would, at least, give a very wide audience the chance not to run a similar risk with the lady in question

The other way you could do it is become a Male Service provider yourself on a different profile, provide verification by however means and view it yourself. And then you can ignore any requests you get or make your services so expense no one will buy them. Is that a loop hole or did I miss something?

[Tony Montana]

The other way you could do it is become a Male Service provider yourself on a different profile, provide verification by however means and view it yourself. And then you can ignore any requests you get or make your services so expense no one will buy them. Is that a loop hole or did I miss something?

You would have to careful that you didn't appear as an alias of the seeker profile

[nigel4498]

Just log in on another browser as a service provider and clear all after each session, should avoid coming up with an alias then.

[Qwerty]

As I understand it, it's not possible to see _who left the notes, even for Verified Members.

I had this problem: someone, I don't know who, posted malicious hidden feedback - I still don't know why. I took it up with Adultwork, and they promised to remove it, but asked who the SP was who had told me about it. I didn't do this, not wanting to get them into trouble, but last time it was checked for me, the feedback hadn't gone, just reduced from "Dangerous" category to "Timewaster".

I can see why the system is there, but it's set up wrong, and is completely open to abuse - which seems to happen quite often.

Wrote to AW suggesting this, but needless to say, no reply - problem is they have no incentive to fix it.

[KennyMilkshake]

Most of AW is open to abuse, so why is the clients notes system any different, after all it takes only a few crap reports to effect a escorts bookings.

When you read a few profiles of some you would think they must be the best fuck ever, id question the whole system and take everything you read with a big pinch of salt.

We have seen some escorts and punters come on forums and spout shite, why should it be any different with their reviews on AW.

[jackdaw]

Most of AW is open to abuse, so why is the clients notes system any different, after all it takes only a few crap reports to effect a escorts bookings.

When you read a few profiles of some you would think they must be the best fuck ever, id question the whole system and take everything you read with a big pinch of salt.

We have seen some escorts and punters come on forums and spout shite, why should it be any different with their reviews on AW.

True but AW is biased in favour of service provider.

Before they can get negative feedback they have to confirm appointment. Then if they do get negative feedback they can see it, and give a "revenge" negative. They can hide feedback.

None of that applies to client notes, there's not even an easy route for punter to even find out what notes on him say.

[west8]

Of course. Adultwork are service provider funded, so naturally they don't give a flying fuck about the paying punter.

Shame really, but I'm starting to agree with others: make as many bookings as possible without using the Adultwork system.

[WHBStoke]

I'm guessing that I have something on my AW profile too, mainly because nearly all messages I've sent in the last 6 months have been read and immediately deleted.

Shame, but now I'll only contact WG with phone numbers.

AW need to be careful, soon punters will just stop using the site for official bookings, etc and their income will dry up.

[Sienna_Bronze]

To be honest I check my aw once a day. 99% of my trade comes from text and calls so I have no idea if a punter has an aw profile or not. I don't really think you NEED a profile to punt. Just go for the ones that do display their number.

[masseyferguson]

To be honest I check my aw once a day. 99% of my trade comes from text and calls so I have no idea if a punter has an aw profile or not. I don't really think you NEED a profile to punt. Just go for the ones that do display their number.

Thanks Sienna, but that doesn't help a great deal as most of the best profiles and punts are with the providers who take most care about their safety and anonymity - many even stating that their preferred method of initial contact and booking is via email.
Some actually preferring a short email correspondence before a booking - which I can understand.
I've been punting a long time and had too many mediocre experiences, now I only bother if I'm sure the provider is genuine .

Maybe I should delete my profile, sacrifice my good feedback and start again ?
BTW How do you delete your profile on AW ?

[KennyMilkshake]

Of course. Adultwork are service provider funded, so naturally they don't give a flying fuck about the paying punter.

Shame really, but I'm starting to agree with others: make as many bookings as possible without using the Adultwork system.

External Link/Members Only its a paid for forum, but at least they treat the punter with some degree of satisfaction, and there is a few escorts that give discounts to members.

[Punting Valley]

External Link/Members Only its a paid for forum, but at least they treat the punter with some degree of satisfaction, and there is a few escorts that give discounts to members.

Only heavily photoshopped agency girls are listed there in my area, I say AW still have the monopoly.

[Roth]

To be honest I check my aw once a day. 99% of my trade comes from text and calls so I have no idea if a punter has an aw profile or not. I don't really think you NEED a profile to punt. Just go for the ones that do display their number.

Exactly.  I try to avoid making bookings through AW and just use phone/texts instead.  Doesn't always happen depending on the prossie.  But that way I can report honestly on good or bad punts on UKP without the fear of some disgruntled prossie leaving hidden notes on me.

[Diehard]

The client note system has almost destroyed aw as good site to use. Escorts who use the system tend to be timewasters or the sort who should be on the prostitute blacklist. There is no need to leave anonymous comments if what they say is true.

I had the situation where every positive review I had was followed up by dangerous notes. I eventually clocked on to the fact thanks to an escort friend (I.e one Id seen more than once so I use the term friend in that context).

I surmised, although it is impossible to be sure, that the notes were being written by same girl who had not been happy I left her a negative review.

This is the problem. Escorts, like women in general, have bizarre thought processes and suffer from jealousy and if you have lots of positive feedback there is a good job you will have dangerous notes from girls you email but subsequently don't book.

Aw don't give a shit of course but the girls should do, as like many others, I now refuse to use the booking system and simply contact girls with their numbers listed.

And the funny thing is, the best escort experiences I've had are with girls who list their number and don't demand a booking form to be filled out.

Someone above has found same thing as well and I do wonder if it is more than coincidental.

[Diehard]

I'm guessing that I have something on my AW profile too, mainly because nearly all messages I've sent in the last 6 months have been read and immediately deleted.

Shame, but now I'll only contact WG with phone numbers.

AW need to be careful, soon punters will just stop using the site for official bookings, etc and their income will dry up.

Aw is practically useless now anyway and is primarily a site for foreigners. For every one English girl there are I would say three or four foreign women.

[greychap]

If its to inform there fellow workers of a dangerous punter then yes if its for abuse and shit stirring then no.

[potato]

it isn't a fair system and it doesn't even do what it is meant for anyway. A bad punter is going to book via phone  / text and so there is no method for the girl to leave notes on them. Punters fund AW from commission on us buying private galleries, using reverse bookings etc., so their revenue would be hit if enough punters complained.
It is not fair that notes could be left against punters simply by emailing the girl and enquiring about her services or raising a query. If I placed a Reverse Booking and emailed girls to thank them for their bid and then did not choose them it would be easy for them to label me as a timewaster, or however they wanted to classify me - that is just  not on!

[Roth]

If punters don't buy the PGs or make RBs then AW becomes funded just by the prossies when they advertise phone numbers or buy advertising slots.  Then us punters can us it just as a directory.   That seems a fairer way but doubt it will happen as too many punters want to buy PGs, movie clips, prossie clothing and made up shit like erotica. 

[potato]

As far as I am aware, girls leave the notes anonymously - if that is the case then if AW are not going to remove this one way service then AW should display who left the note so that other girls can see them - with a number in brackets to show how many notes they have left. The smarter girls can then see if another girl is a serial note leaver and thus root out the bad ones and discount anything they say. I might suggest that to AW ...

[Ben4454]

What about the hidden punter notes so we can leave feedback ? Seems a little one sided. I've had my profile since 2008 - over 100 positives not one negative - but can sense some spiteful girls have written some untrue stuff on my profile. I hear verified members can write anything about anyone - even if the wg in question hasn't interacted with the punter.

[Turtle Z]

What about the hidden punter notes so we can leave feedback ? Seems a little one sided. I've had my profile since 2008 - over 100 positives not one negative - but can sense some spiteful girls have written some untrue stuff on my profile.

Why would you have any interest in leaving hidden notes on AW and what purpose would it serve? Not wanting to appear sexist but leaving petty, spiteful and vindictive notes is generally a female trait. Just accept that it happens and understand that those who write such shit get their biggest kick from getting a rise from you. Far better to disappoint them… Delete the profile and start again or just call girls who have a number posted. 

[Roth]

The system is bollocks.  A prossie left some hidden notes on me just cos I complained directly to her about her bad service.  I didn't even put up a review about it.  Totally private between me and her.  Bitch.

Only found out when a regular told me.  That's why I try to rarely use the AW booking system now.

[west8]

I hear verified members can write anything about anyone - even if the wg in question hasn't interacted with the punter.

WTF? That's simply bizarre. Bit like eBay in the good old days circa 2000. You could leave feedback for ANYONE without having ever conducted a transaction - either as a buyer or a seller.

[Ben4454]

Why would you have any interest in leaving hidden notes on AW and what purpose would it serve? Not wanting to appear sexist but leaving petty, spiteful and vindictive notes is generally a female trait. Just accept that it happens and understand that those who write such shit get their biggest kick from getting a rise from you. Far better to disappoint them… Delete the profile and start again or just call girls who have a number posted. 

I wish to write notes to warn other punters about time wasters and bad providers. Unfortunately the feedback system doesn't work because if you leave a negative the working girl will then leave a negative on your profile - or what they do is dispute your negative and lie about what happened.

The system is bollocks.  A prossie left some hidden notes on me just cos I complained directly to her about her bad service.  I didn't even put up a review about it.  Totally private between me and her.  Bitch.

Only found out when a regular told me.  That's why I try to rarely use the AW booking system now.

I only use the adultwork booking system with trustworthy providers (positive reviews on here)

[Aussiecrocsss]

Along the same lines...I have sent a WG a message (in response to a booking she cancelled last week due to illness, fair enough)  and she never opens my email.  Not 'delete' just never reads it.  And she logs in daily, or so it says.  Could she be avoiding my email by name? Or maybe gets so many she can't keep up?  Kind of frustrated because coms were great right up to a meet and then she cancelled, whereupon she apologized and requested we meet next week, knock off some of the fee, etc. 

No phone num so I can't call her.  (Sigh). Has this happened to any of you?  I only have 4 feedbacks, 3 positives, 1 neutral as we didn't click, but nothing negative...so maybe there is some neg comments in these Client Notes...?

Any tips welcomed for this rookie...cheers.

[Punting Valley]

Along the same lines...I have sent a WG a message (in response to a booking she cancelled last week due to illness, fair enough)  and she never opens my email.  Not 'delete' just never reads it.  And she logs in daily, or so it says.  Could she be avoiding my email by name? Or maybe gets so many she can't keep up?  Kind of frustrated because coms were great right up to a meet and then she cancelled, whereupon she apologized and requested we meet next week, knock off some of the fee, etc. 

No phone num so I can't call her.  (Sigh). Has this happened to any of you?  I only have 4 feedbacks, 3 positives, 1 neutral as we didn't click, but nothing negative...so maybe there is some neg comments in these Client Notes...?

Any tips welcomed for this rookie...cheers.

Your message is probably lost somewhere in her inbox, send another message to remind her and if she doesnt read it too or delete it then you'll know. I would rule out negative client notes unless you booked someone else between the time she cancelled and now.

[KennyMilkshake]

The escort pays to advertise, the punter does not pay anything to view the profiles, so why should it be equal.

AW allow the escorts to have notes about punters to try to keep safe, its not run fairly if some escorts are saying things because some punter didn't connect in some way, but they do pay.

We as punters speak out about escorts on forums and use that system to rip into escorts for whatever reason, there is a many an escort I would have seen, but bad reviews from punters I trust have put me off seeing them, same as escorts speak out about the punters.

[James999]

The escort pays to advertise, the punter does not pay anything to view the profiles

No they don't AW profiles are FREE

[Jimmyredcab]

The escort pays to advertise.

Only if she wants to show as Available Today or she wishes to display her phone number ----- it is totally free to set up a profile.

[Looking4fun]

They can see how many times you've logged in & how many emails you've sent & if you have more than 1 aw profile an escort I seen showed me

[Jimmyredcab]

They can see how many times you've logged in & how many emails you've sent & if you have more than 1 aw profile an escort I seen showed me

There is one very simple way to avoid all this cobblers -------------------- only contact girls who display a phone number. 

[KennyMilkshake]

There is one very simple way to avoid all this cobblers -------------------- only contact girls who display a phone number. 

Not quite as easy for the hard of hearing!, sometimes people want to use e-mail to make sure they don't miss out something that could be important.

[James999]

Not quite as easy for the hard of hearing!, sometimes people want to use e-mail to make sure they don't miss out something that could be important.

Buy a hearing aid then 

Hidden Image/Members Only

[Roth]

Not quite as easy for the hard of hearing!, sometimes people want to use e-mail to make sure they don't miss out something that could be important.

Can't go wrong with SMS. 

[anyfucker]

life is not fair
the goalposts keep moving
there are no guarantees - especially in punting
just deal with it

[Ben4454]

Along the same lines...I have sent a WG a message (in response to a booking she cancelled last week due to illness, fair enough)  and she never opens my email.  Not 'delete' just never reads it.  And she logs in daily, or so it says.  Could she be avoiding my email by name? Or maybe gets so many she can't keep up?  Kind of frustrated because coms were great right up to a meet and then she cancelled, whereupon she apologized and requested we meet next week, knock off some of the fee, etc. 

No phone num so I can't call her.  (Sigh). Has this happened to any of you?  I only have 4 feedbacks, 3 positives, 1 neutral as we didn't click, but nothing negative...so maybe there is some neg comments in these Client Notes...?

Any tips welcomed for this rookie...cheers.

Personally i'd be annoyed if a working girl left me a neutral because we didn't 'click' - its a service provider website not a dating site.

[jake_6969]

I'm giving up on the AW booking system too, a WG with an axe to grind has put something in my client notes too (AFAIK) and my emails aren't being read or immediately get deleted. I only contact WGs with phone numbers now or use a trusted agency that I have found. If I want to see a WGs PG then I'm on another forum that posts them up in a men only section.

[mf_1101]

That's funny as I've only had one feedback from a provider and that was a positive feedback for cancelling with such early notice!

[bensonhedges20]

Are they aware it gets displayed publicly?

[HorizontalFoxtrotLover]

life is not fair
the goalposts keep moving
there are no guarantees - especially in punting
just deal with it

+1

[HorizontalFoxtrotLover]

Reading Sienna`s post made me wonder whether there is, in fact, something that could be done about unjustified or malicious Client Notes on AW.

If one of our W.G. members felt like earning a little non-punting income on the side she could set up an informal consultancy, and for a small fee (payable in credits on AW) check for any Client Notes entered on the Client`s profile, with details of the  W.G. or W.G.s making the entry.  The Client could then use whatever means at his disposal to persuade whoever made the entries to remove them, such as a threat to reveal all on this site.  Such a threat may well work, but if it didn`t carrying out that threat would, at least, give a very wide audience the chance not to run a similar risk with the lady in question

That sounds like a bloody good idea, Happy. I would most definitely subscribe to that service as I too have my suspicions about what's been left on my profile. I wonder if Holly's still about; or has she got herself banned? https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=47621.0

[HorizontalFoxtrotLover]

sorry, it's
https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=47621.0

[mrhappypants]

Call me sceptical;  I am interested to hear from any established punter on this site who has seen notes on his profile with his own eyes. 

Timewas the government used to run bullshit advertising campaigns signs saying TV detector vans were in the area and you should pay your licence fee.  That was bollocks and so are stories of the notes system on AW. 

And I will invite any working girl on here to publish on an open post visible to all detailing my "notes" (God knows I should have them) just so we can all see if I am wrong.  Bring it on...

Dave

[tesla]

yes I have seen mine, they detail my preference for stockings and suspenders and that I hate hold ups, no idea who wrote them

[Aspen]

Yes they most certainly exist for verified service providers and no i don't think there is anything service seekers can do about it. They are useful on some points but I have seen girls saying a punter was dangerous just because he was a member on here. I did alert that particular member because to me that just abusing the notes system.

Exactly why I don't have an AW profile any more. Only a small percentage bother to reply to messages anyway, so if there's no phone number or direct email I just move on.

It's funny how on other sites you see so many of the WG's complaining how quiet it is. Apart from the fact that the complainers are overpriced and/or not user friendly I'd say that there's actually a shortage of them. It's very difficult to find anyone worth seeing these days. It used to be easy.

[Aspen]

To be honest I check my aw once a day. 99% of my trade comes from text and calls so I have no idea if a punter has an aw profile or not. I don't really think you NEED a profile to punt. Just go for the ones that do display their number.

Yes, exactly.

Surprising how many are false numbers or don't get answered though. Sometimes you get a text straight back saying text me! Pass on those too. Either a male pimp or someone who can't speak English.

[Turtle Z]

Call me sceptical;  I am interested to hear from any established punter on this site who has seen notes on his profile with his own eyes. 

Timewas the government used to run bullshit advertising campaigns signs saying TV detector vans were in the area and you should pay your licence fee.  That was bollocks and so are stories of the notes system on AW. 

And I will invite any working girl on here to publish on an open post visible to all detailing my "notes" (God knows I should have them) just so we can all see if I am wrong.  Bring it on...

Dave

I saw mine once, sat with a WG who showed me exactly what had been written on my profile, it's no myth.