STI from BB sex with street-walker - what are the realistic chances?

[johncollins]

Talk serious maths here.
If I had unprotected sex with a street-walker (probable drug-taker - crack pipe) what are the percentage chances of an STI?

Chatgbt is reporting literal fractions of 1%.

I have never done it before, but am considering it as something different.

[Mr Garmin]

I would say somewhere between 0 and 100% depending on the girl and her circumstances.

[MLawro93]

The risk is very real but modest. Probably in the 5 to 10% range. Is it a recommended activity? No. You'd have to be an idiot to take such a risk.

This is without considering the ethical and moral implications of pursuing such a choice. Oh and don't forget, this type of sex work is illegal.

[Upsndowns79]

The mind boggles

Why would you deliberately do the most reckless thing imaginable with a sex worker? What’s the motivation?

Not only do you put yourself at risk, you then put every other sex worker you subsequently see at risk and then all of us by default.

None of us are whiter than white but I don’t get the motivation at all.

[scouting]

You must be crazy man. Why on earth take such a risk? In addition to the standard risks of barebacking, received wisdom says this group of women have many other issues, some of which bring even greater risks.

[DastardlyDick]

You should get yourself tested asap.
You need to wait at least 2 weeks after sex  for Chlamydia and Gonorrhoea, 45 days for HIV.
Syphilis can be missed for up to 30 days, so a repeat may be needed. Hepatitis B, C and Herpes can take weeks or months, so repeats are a good idea for them too.
Anal carries the highest risk, followed by vaginal sex.

[Denzelryder1234]

I'm not sure what's wrong- the fact you are remotely considering it or the fact that you are considering it due to chatgpt's 1% risk.

[I like natural boobs]

Chlamydia and gonorrhea are common. I remember reading somewhere that there are around 200,000 cases of Chlamydia and around 80,000 cases of gonorrhea in the UK annually. And they're only the two most common STD's, I dread to think what the annual figures for all STD's would be. I wouldn't risk it.

[MissWolf]

I think you stand a reasonably good chance of catching something,  depending of course on the girl you pick.

But then catching something doesn't seem to be unusual for you, you have already caught Stupid and reckless after all 

[lewisjones23]

Each to their own but fuck me what a stupid thing to consider/explore

[Punting2022]

These street walkers are so ugly. Even if they paid me i wouldnt do one. Your talking about bb with one. Condom sex with one is filth.

[hairdownthere]

Talk serious maths here.
If I had unprotected sex with a street-walker (probable drug-taker - crack pipe) what are the percentage chances of an STI?

Chatgbt is reporting literal fractions of 1%.

I have never done it before, but am considering it as something different.

I dont know what is more stupid, wanting to BB a street walker, or trusting chatgpt

You are the definition of a fucktard

[rocket88]

Russian roulette.

[myothernameis]

Talk serious maths here.
If I had unprotected sex with a street-walker (probable drug-taker - crack pipe) what are the percentage chances of an STI?

If your married and now find you have aids, how do you explain this to your wife

[pythondan]

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[Ghost89]

I’ve read some fucking stupid things on here but that is up there with the best!
I can’t make my mind up if you are just trying to rage bait or if your genuine about it. But what I do think is that if your going to do that with a street walker then you will have likely done bb with none street walking girls and pose a serious health risk to other sp’s as well as other punters. And more so if you go through with it.  A truly stupid, selfish and fucked up thing to do.

[Nomerzypuntr]

I’ve read some fucking stupid things on here but that is up there with the best!
I can’t make my mind up if you are just trying to rage bait or if your genuine about it. But what I do think is that if your going to do that with a street walker then you will have likely done bb with none street walking girls and pose a serious health risk to other sp’s as well as other punters. And more so if you go through with it.  A truly stupid, selfish and fucked up thing to do.

[gurds]

if you want to go raw with a hooker you should go for higher class girls or sugar babies and ask for clean results.

[hairdownthere]

if you want to go raw with a hooker you should go for higher class girls or sugar babies and ask for clean results.

Do you think those girls are immune?  You are just as fucking stupid

Clean results are only valid until the next person they bareback.

[Watts.E.Dunn]

Seems the OP is asking the chances he dosent say hes actually done it!..

[gurds]

Do you think those girls are immune?  You are just as fucking stupid

Clean results are only valid until the next person they bareback.

tbh I think those girls are safer than girls in bars and clubs! Technically men and women were designed to have sex raw. The big risk really are gay men who have sex with other men. Vast majority of time though you should play it safe when doing casual sex though.

I think there are lots of young sugar babies nowadays that do raw sex with clean results, these girls are safer generally as they have sex with fewer men overall than escorts.

[Bigwilts]

Chatgbt is reporting literal fractions of 1%.

What was the actual question that you put to ChatGPT?  Did you ask it for its sources to back up the results ?
I’ve just put the question to ChatGPT
For street walkers it declined giving a figure on the basis that there was insufficient information for it to work on.
For a general risk of unprotected sex it gave some figures for the risk of HIV, mostly as a fraction of a percent but higher for unprotected anal sex.

Bear in mind that ChatGPT is not a statistical analysis AI product, let alone an STI analysis product.  It’s a text generator.
The model reads through your question / prompt, then seeks out a series of words that could follow in response, it doesn’t even seek out an actual answer - it picks the next word that is more likely to follow its previous word.
If can only give a probability of it has a paper etc in its training that has information on that probability.


Now to the matter of your question.
The chances of an STI from unprotected sex are increased due to the willingness to have unprotected sex - if they are willing with you then they are willing with everyone

Even protected sex is not risk free. 
In general a sex worker may be of less risk of passing on an STI than a one night stand - they are most likely to use protection, to have regular tests, and to be aware of risks

A street walker is in a more vulnerable position in general, they are at risk of being the victim of an attack, and with just that are potentially / probably in a more desperate situation to take the risk.  Drug use may bring them to the street and the street may bring them to drugs / more drugs.  Needles carry added risk, even without shared / reused needles their use is likely to be less sanitary with even more riding infection (not just STIs)


The excitement of the many risks may be the reason why it is sought as a fantasy
It’s not worth it

[hairdownthere]

tbh I think those girls are safer than girls in bars and clubs! Technically men and women were designed to have sex raw. The big risk really are gay men who have sex with other men. Vast majority of time though you should play it safe when doing casual sex though.

I think there are lots of young sugar babies nowadays that do raw sex with clean results, these girls are safer generally as they have sex with fewer men overall than escorts.

The only sure fire way to ensure someone is clean is to take a test and not have sex with anyone, protected or not until the results come through clear.  Doesn't matter if its a street walker, sugar babe, civvy or the ministers wife. 

It only takes one, not 5, not 100. 

[hairdownthere]

Seems the OP is asking the chances he dosent say hes actually done it!..

Reads to me as a post-event trying to justify it.

'Asking for a friend' type question

[johncollins]

Ok, I take on board what you're all saying here and appreciate the feedback.
To be clear, this is just something I am considering and have not done it yet.
Perhaps I won't.

However, statistically, I have more chance of being run over on my bike
and consider how the vast majority of the population over-reacted to "covid" (aka winter flu)

[Mr Garmin]

Ok, I take on board what you're all saying here and appreciate the feedback.
To be clear, this is just something I am considering and have not done it yet.
Perhaps I won't.

However, statistically, I have more chance of being run over on my bike
and consider how the vast majority of the population over-reacted to "covid" (aka winter flu)

You're not a statistician are you?  Or perhaps you're just referring to HIV and ignoring the plethora of other risks.

[maybe]

This seems like a bad idea, I wouldn't go for it if it was me. Who knows who that next one is in the 1/100 ...

As mentioned already this type of group is likely to have more issues, so unlikely to be as low as 1% which is not even that low tbh. 0.01% is low, not 1%.

[JustaPunter]

Well since you can catch Herpes or Genital Warts when wearing a Condom…

What do you think are the chances you catch something from a Drug Addicted Street Walker?

[JustaPunter]

Ok, I take on board what you're all saying here and appreciate the feedback.
To be clear, this is just something I am considering and have not done it yet.
Perhaps I won't.

However, statistically, I have more chance of being run over on my bike
and consider how the vast majority of the population over-reacted to "covid" (aka winter flu)

If you think Covid was “Winter Flu” then you should really keep your opinions to yourself  “PureBlood”

Not least because Covid stands for Coronavirus.

You know, like the Common Cold

Which is not the same as Influenza

You now know more stuff

[Doc Holliday]

Reads to me as a post-event trying to justify it.

Reads to me like a 'deliberate light the blue touch paper and retire to watch the response' thread although he has now posted again.

Do we need AI to tell us it is not a good idea to have unprotected sex with a street sex worker?

Is it even a good idea to have protected sex with a 'drug taking - crack pipe'?

Is it even a good idea to have raw sex with any stranger?

The only reason I am responding to the OP is that inevitably with such threads people start to speculate and quote percentages which are meaningless without context.

The only sure statistic is that if both people are not infected (and that is commonly the case) then the risk is zero. Beyond that it is a lottery and any attempt to apportion percentage risk is dependent on what they are infected with, whether the infected person is male or female  and whether it is MF sex or MM or FF sex, oral vaginal anal etc.

Chlamydia is the most common STI you are likely to be exposed to and so on that criteria alone carries the highest risk.

The risk from a single exposure for a male penis exposed to vaginal chlamydia is 'estimated' as around 30-40%.

This is (a) not written in stone and (b) means what it says ie you have a one in three chance you will contract it from a single exposure.

However there is no way of knowing in advance if you will be fortunate enough to be in the group who may have more than one exposure but remain uninfected. So the lottery effect means for the unlucky ones the risk really equates to 100%.

On the subject of 'light the blue touch paper' Gurds then comes along and posts nonsense about SBs etc being much safer to have unprotected sex with than escorts or any other stranger. Where is the evidence for that? It is on a par with 'she looked clean'

[shagmore]

Why would yo even put yourself at a tighten state of risk, ridiculous especially as street walkers have a higher chance statistically to have something

[Doc Holliday]

However, statistically, I have more chance of being run over on my bike
and consider how the vast majority of the population over-reacted to "covid" (aka winter flu)

No you don't have more chance of being run over on a bike. In any case one would hope you took full precautions to minimise that risk.

As for the covid comment ....

[daviemac]

Another question the OP should ask is - 'what are the chances of getting arrested, prosecuted and publicly named and shamed for curb crawling?' when approaching one of those girls.

Curb crawling is one of the very few offences relating to prostitution that the police actively prosecute punters for.

[Followyourdick]

Ok, I take on board what you're all saying here and appreciate the feedback.
To be clear, this is just something I am considering and have not done it yet.
Perhaps I won't.

However, statistically, I have more chance of being run over on my bike
and consider how the vast majority of the population over-reacted to "covid" (aka winter flu)

Conspiracy theorist as well, is the world flat?

[RedKettle]

and consider how the vast majority of the population over-reacted to "covid" (aka winter flu)

I suspect you don't care about causing upset but perhaps bear in mind that many of us lost people to what you refer to as winter flu. 

[Fuzzyduck]

Ok, I take on board what you're all saying here and appreciate the feedback.
To be clear, this is just something I am considering and have not done it yet.
Perhaps I won't.

However, statistically, I have more chance of being run over on my bike
and consider how the vast majority of the population over-reacted to "covid" (aka winter flu)

Doc is far more eloquent than I am about these things. I'm just going to call you a fucking idiot.

[hendrix]

I suspect you don't care about causing upset but perhaps bear in mind that many of us lost people to what you refer to as winter flu.

+1

..and I don't understand punters wanting to have sex with obviously vulnerable people.

[mancsguy1975]

tbh I think those girls are safer than girls in bars and clubs! Technically men and women were designed to have sex raw. The big risk really are gay men who have sex with other men. Vast majority of time though you should play it safe when doing casual sex though.

I think there are lots of young sugar babies nowadays that do raw sex with clean results, these girls are safer generally as they have sex with fewer men overall than escorts.

Dont encourage him Gurds.... youve been know to post some howlers, but learn from your mistakes..... please !

[Blackpool Rock]

Do you think those girls are immune?  You are just as fucking stupid

Clean results are only valid until the next person they bareback.

Even clean results can't be relied on 100% if it can take 2 weeks+ for an infection to show up

Guy is clean but goes bare with infected girl and catches an STI
10 days after sex he gets tested and receives a clean result
A few days after that the same test would show up as positive but he apparently has a clean bill of health and 2 weeks after the 1st BB encounter another girl has unprotected sex with him on this basis and then also catches the STI

Rince & repeat

As others have said i'm wondering how much of this is another light the blue touch paper and retreat type thread and then we get all the covid fuckwit shit to basically prove it 

[shagmore]

What is very concerning, is if yo look at reviews by Wgs who offer BB, follow the link to the guy and who else they have been with, some do BB but there are also a lot that do not, so they are making it more of a risk to the normal punter.
Had a few minutes and thought would just look into this.

[Upsndowns79]

What is very concerning, is if yo look at reviews by Wgs who offer BB, follow the link to the guy and who else they have been with, some do BB but there are also a lot that do not, so they are making it more of a risk to the normal punter.
Had a few minutes and thought would just look into this.

Exactly this……. It’s always been my view points. 2 consenting adults can do what they want and expose themselves to risk but in a relatively small SP and SS world it increases the risk significantly for those that are always careful.

[Strawberry]

Just why 

[Blackpool Rock]

What is very concerning, is if yo look at reviews by Wgs who offer BB, follow the link to the guy and who else they have been with, some do BB but there are also a lot that do not, so they are making it more of a risk to the normal punter.
Had a few minutes and thought would just look into this.

I've looked at girls feedback before and then looked at punters feedback to see who else they've seen only to find 2 or 3 known barebackers 
So the issue then is whether this girl is also a secret BB'er or just not done her due diligence very well  Either way it's an avoid

However I had an issue a few years ago where I saw a girl who wasn't listing BB when I saw her and we swapped AW feedback, a few months later I noticed that she wasn't appearing in my AW searches which are set up to exclude BB and Unprotected but she was still there in my HL, I checked her profile and she was now listing BB 
Brought forward my STI test kit and all was clear but I had noticed that most of my AW e-mails to girls or certainly the British ones were being read but not replied to, thankfully the girl must have retired or deleted her profile about 6 months later so i'm assuming any new SP's checking my feedback wouldn't know that a girl i'd previously seen had ended up listing it 

It has made me more cautious about who I leave feedback for

[Bigwilts]

Ok, I take on board what you're all saying here and appreciate the feedback.
To be clear, this is just something I am considering and have not done it yet.
Perhaps I won't.

However, statistically, I have more chance of being run over on my bike
and consider how the vast majority of the population over-reacted to "covid" (aka winter flu)

You have not posted what you asked ChatGPT to get your “statistics” and are now claiming that you are more likely to be run over by a bike than contract an STI through unprotected sex with a high risk street walking drug addict

If I put in that level of risk then ChatGPT won’t give me any percentages but keeps pressing me to get tested

I can get answers to the following (which don’t bring in any additional risks)
What are the percentage odds of being run over by a bike:
The chance of being hit on any day
The chance of being hit in your life

The chance of unprotected sex and an sti

…….

So a reasonable rough estimate is less than 0.01%per day, or fewer than 1 in 10,000 days, for atypical pedestrian.



In the UK, a very rough estimate of your lifetime chanceof being injured after being hit by a bicycle is around:
0.05%

Type of sex   HIV Chance per encounter
Receptive anal sex   1.38%
Insertive anal sex   0.11%
Receptive vaginal sex   0.08%
Insertive vaginal sex   0.04%
Note that it has only given HIV, not any STI


Based on those, unprotected sex in general is more likely to give me HIV on any particular occasion than being hit by a bicycle, except that there is more chance of me being hit at some time in my life than giving unprotected vaginal sex on a single occasion

[Fuzzyduck]

You have not posted what you asked ChatGPT to get your “statistics” and are now claiming that you are more likely to be run over by a bike than contract an STI through unprotected sex with a high risk street walking drug addict
...

I suspect he's a little embarrassed now so distancing himself from his clumsy posts.

ps: the numbers seem to matter to you, so you should note he said "However, statistically, I have more chance of being run over on my bike". I'd say the chances of that are higher than being struck by one but, quite frankly, it's a pointless comparison in the context of the original question.

[myothernameis]

Chatgbt is reporting literal fractions of 1%.

Maybe Johncollins could ask Chatgbt, if I have sex with street workers, who also takes drugs, how many escorts will not see me

[johncollins]

Ok I have looked more at this and my statement about the bike is, I admit, inaccurate.
An NHS report stated

Syphilis - 2%
Chlamydia or gonorrhoea - 6%

Perhaps these are increased with a known street-walker?

I was just trying to gather realistic percentage evidence, (which at least the last poster provided)
but it's sad when people cannot do this and start moralising about what I am doing - I am fully aware of the moral complexities here
- but surely this forum is the last place to lecture morality.

I have proabably had unprotected sex with about 50 women in my life - I would guess 10 of these would be paid for.
If this is classed as "blow-jobs only" those numbers would be closer to 500 and 200
and never in my life have I had any form of STI.

What I'm thinking is, can I just be "lucky" 500 times or is perhaps, this a more exagerated issue than made out?

Maybe in 2 months I will find out!


 

[hairdownthere]

Ok I have looked more at this and my statement about the bike is, I admit, inaccurate.
An NHS report stated

Syphilis - 2%
Chlamydia or gonorrhoea - 6%

Perhaps these are increased with a known street-walker?

I was just trying to gather realistic percentage evidence, (which at least the last poster provided)
but it's sad when people cannot do this and start moralising about what I am doing - I am fully aware of the moral complexities here
- but surely this forum is the last place to lecture morality.

I have proabably had unprotected sex with about 50 women in my life - I would guess 10 of these would be paid for.
If this is classed as "blow-jobs only" those numbers would be closer to 500 and 200
and never in my life have I had any form of STI.

What I'm thinking is, can I just be "lucky" 500 times or is perhaps, this a more exagerated issue than made out?

Maybe in 2 months I will find out!

You're not doing yourself any favours are you?

At least we can avoid those you have reviewed on here

[Bigwilts]

An NHS report stated

Syphilis - 2%
Chlamydia or gonorrhoea - 6%

Perhaps these are increased with a known street-walker?

2% and 6% are not fractions of 1%

[Bigwilts]

but it's sad when people cannot do this and start moralising about what I am doing - I am fully aware of the moral complexities here
- but surely this forum is the last place to lecture morality.

I can’t see any moralising on this thread - just pointing out stupid risks