Author Topic: C & A, Comet, Gateway, Swisskits and Red Phone Boxes  (Read 823 times)

Offline Vice Admiral

Gateway: initially fine fare, changed to gateway, then somerfield. When they went bust most sold of to other supermarkets, Sainsbury's.

Isn’t that fundamentally a semantic argument?

Fine Fare was acquired by the Dee Corporation who also owned Gateway and every Fine Fare store was rebranded as Gateway, so it is accurate to say that Fine Fare became Gateway.

Yes, it is a matter of semantics.

It all depends what Badsin meant by “changed to”.

In normal English “changed to” does not mean “was taken over by”.

I therefore, reasonably enough – taking the meaning closest to the primary meaning of the word “change” – inferred that Badsin meant there had been a change of name and / or identity (in other words, a metamorphosis), like the change from Gateway to Somerfield.  In other words, his meaning seemed to be that the Fine Fare chain was rebranded as Gateway, a name that had hitherto not existed. 

This was what “changed to” suggested to me, not least because the term “was taken over by” could easily have been used.  The phrase "Gateway: initially fine fare" also implies that Gateway did not even exist before this, and that it was a change of name rather than a takeover.

This interpretation is reinforced by the fact that Badsin went on to say (albeit without repeating the expression) that Gateway then “changed to” Somerfield.  And that later occurrence was indeed, to all intents and purposes, simply a rebranding of what was by then left of the Gateway estate.  Furthermore, Badsin adds that "when they [Somerfield] went bust most sold off to other supermarkets".  Tellingly, he is here using a term ("sold off") that tallies with "takeover" rather than with "changed to" – further reinforcing what still seems the logical interpretation of his initial comment.

(I wonder, Badsin, whether a few words of yours have ever been subjected to so much scrutiny?  I doubt if any other writer, with the possible exception of James Joyce, has ever been so closely analysed!)

Offline Rick2468

I dearly miss the huge multistorey HMV and Virgin Megastores on Oxford Street. I would regularly go there with my mates when I first moved to London and we would spend over an hour collectively looking through them. We were into music, films and gaming and also enjoyed looking at the musical instruments in the Virgin Megastore basement. Would regularly make use of the 3 for £20 deals and buy lots of CDs and films.

Blockbuster was great too. It was good for keeping me up to date with what films were out, and when it closed my knowledge of the latest films and actors quickly dropped off. Would always chat to the staff there who were similar age and would recommend me films based on what I was getting. They regularly did 2 for £4 rentals so I would often rent a film I wanted to see plus the one they recommended.

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Or the one at Piccadilly Circus, which started out as Tower Records  :D

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I dearly miss the huge multistorey HMV and Virgin Megastores on Oxford Street. I would regularly go there with my mates when I first moved to London and we would spend over an hour collectively looking through them. We were into music, films and gaming and also enjoyed looking at the musical instruments in the Virgin Megastore basement. Would regularly make use of the 3 for £20 deals and buy lots of CDs and films.

Blockbuster was great too. It was good for keeping me up to date with what films were out, and when it closed my knowledge of the latest films and actors quickly dropped off. Would always chat to the staff there who were similar age and would recommend me films based on what I was getting. They regularly did 2 for £4 rentals so I would often rent a film I wanted to see plus the one they recommended.

Surprised HMV are still going, I know they have been in financial trouble a number of times with many take overs . My local HMV shop is nearly always empty which is a shame as I'm old school and still buy CD's and the occasional DVD box set

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Being perfectly honest, I'm sorry I ever commented on the thread  :hi:

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Or the one at Piccadilly Circus, which started out as Tower Records  :D

That is a FOPP now I think? And it's a great store, it gives me an HMV fix. Even has the edgy novels that I used to read when I was in my 20s.

There was also a really cool CD place which was between HMV and the Virgin Megastore for a few years in early 2000s but I can't remember the name, it wasn't a chain but had great prices.

There is an HMV close to one of the regional offices I often go to and I always go in there for a fix but nothing will compare to the huge 5 (or 6?) floors we used to have on Oxford Street. I used to buy 3 films for £20 whenever I went and always tried to follow this rule, one of the DVDs would be a film I saw at the cinema that I wanted to see again, one would be a film I hadn't seen but wanted to, another would be a 'gamble' which usually meant a foreign film I didn't know much about. I never threw away my CD and DVD collection it's all in the attic.

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Pre mobile phones, red phone boxes were the only method of arranging punts.

Sometimes I'd have to use 2 phone boxes. One to enquire and make a provisional booking, then another one near the SPs location to confirm.

The nightmare was unable to find the second phone that was working, or running out of change during the call. :dash:
It didn't matter if it was a phone box in or near Soho - you couldn't see into them 'cos of all the WGs cards.  :lol:

Offline mrwhite

I bought some T-shirts in C&A a few weeks ago.  Despite closing in the UK they are still going strong on the continent.

Comet tried to buy up Dixons and Currys - ironically Currys complained to courts saying the buyout would lead to a high street monopoly.  Comet lost a lot of money because of Sky.  Comet had the exclusive contract to supply BSB boxes and squariels.  When Sky and BSB merged Sky decided they were going to stick with their inferior but cheaper boxes and dishes, leaving Comet stuck with thousands of brand obsolete receivers.

Offline Thephoenix

Yes, it is a matter of semantics.

It all depends what Badsin meant by “changed to”.

In normal English “changed to” does not mean “was taken over by”.

I therefore, reasonably enough – taking the meaning closest to the primary meaning of the word “change” – inferred that Badsin meant there had been a change of name and / or identity (in other words, a metamorphosis), like the change from Gateway to Somerfield.  In other words, his meaning seemed to be that the Fine Fare chain was rebranded as Gateway, a name that had hitherto not existed. 

This was what “changed to” suggested to me, not least because the term “was taken over by” could easily have been used.  The phrase "Gateway: initially fine fare" also implies that Gateway did not even exist before this, and that it was a change of name rather than a takeover.

This interpretation is reinforced by the fact that Badsin went on to say (albeit without repeating the expression) that Gateway then “changed to” Somerfield.  And that later occurrence was indeed, to all intents and purposes, simply a rebranding of what was by then left of the Gateway estate.  Furthermore, Badsin adds that "when they [Somerfield] went bust most sold off to other supermarkets".  Tellingly, he is here using a term ("sold off") that tallies with "takeover" rather than with "changed to" – further reinforcing what still seems the logical interpretation of his initial comment.

(I wonder, Badsin, whether a few words of yours have ever been subjected to so much scrutiny?  I doubt if any other writer, with the possible exception of James Joyce, has ever been so closely analysed!)

Pardon?  :rolleyes:
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Yes, it is a matter of semantics.

It all depends what Badsin meant by “changed to”.

In normal English “changed to” does not mean “was taken over by”.

I therefore, reasonably enough – taking the meaning closest to the primary meaning of the word “change” – inferred that Badsin meant there had been a change of name and / or identity (in other words, a metamorphosis), like the change from Gateway to Somerfield.  In other words, his meaning seemed to be that the Fine Fare chain was rebranded as Gateway, a name that had hitherto not existed. 

This was what “changed to” suggested to me, not least because the term “was taken over by” could easily have been used.  The phrase "Gateway: initially fine fare" also implies that Gateway did not even exist before this, and that it was a change of name rather than a takeover.

This interpretation is reinforced by the fact that Badsin went on to say (albeit without repeating the expression) that Gateway then “changed to” Somerfield.  And that later occurrence was indeed, to all intents and purposes, simply a rebranding of what was by then left of the Gateway estate.  Furthermore, Badsin adds that "when they [Somerfield] went bust most sold off to other supermarkets".  Tellingly, he is here using a term ("sold off") that tallies with "takeover" rather than with "changed to" – further reinforcing what still seems the logical interpretation of his initial comment.

(I wonder, Badsin, whether a few words of yours have ever been subjected to so much scrutiny?  I doubt if any other writer, with the possible exception of James Joyce, has ever been so closely analysed!)

Time to declare an interest.  I worked at Gateway part-time for a year, and my Gateway tie is still one of my proudest possessions.

Actually, to be accurate – and accuracy, as some may have noticed, is rather an obsession of mine – I have two Gateway ties.

The earlier is a rather crude affair, largely green, with the Gateway logo on it.

The later one, which superseded the green one during my period of employment, is elegant and subdued, with thin stripes and no corporate marker.  I occasionally still wear it when I need to look extra-smart.

Eat your hearts out, Old Etonians!


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Time to declare an interest.  I worked at Gateway part-time for a year, and my Gateway tie is still one of my proudest possessions.

Actually, to be accurate – and accuracy, as some may have noticed, is rather an obsession of mine – I have two Gateway ties.

The earlier is a rather crude affair, largely green, with the Gateway logo on it.

The later one, which superseded the green one during my period of employment, is elegant and subdued, with thin stripes and no corporate marker.  I occasionally still wear it when I need to look extra-smart.

Eat your hearts out, Old Etonians!

Interesting. I worked at Fine Fare whilst at school, never got a tie but I still have my box cutter.

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Interesting. I worked at Fine Fare whilst at school, never got a tie but I still have my box cutter.
Didn't they go bust as there was too much staff pilfering  :D

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Didn't they go bust as there was too much staff pilfering  :D

Maybe, I still have a cache of yellow pak tins in my bunker  :P

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In Central London these days the remaining red telephone boxes are often the toilet of last resort of our visiting international street dwellers.

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Couple of villages near me use red boxes as informal libraries for people to exchange books from.
Thankfully without the smell of urine  :hi: