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Today, as part of my normal shirt sequence, I'm wearing a light mauve C & A shirt.  It's almost as good as new, even though – since Google tells me that C & A had ceased trading by 2001 – it must be at least 25 years old.

This got me thinking about lost brands and chains (a theme which will only resonate with those of a certain age).

Most of these lost brands were victims of the ruthless world of commerce.  If you don't stay ahead of the competition, you bite the dust.

Poor old Comet, for example.  I rather liked them, and it was healthy to have a rival to Curry's.  But Comet plunged to the Earth.

MFI?  They used to be everywhere.

Some chains are not much missed, such as Gateway.  In the 1980s they were for a while the third biggest supermarket chain in Britain, but they never really cut the mustard.

When I was young there was still a branch of Home & Colonial in my local town.   In 1931 (before my time!) that noble old chain of grocers' shops had over 3.000 branches.

In electronics there was Rumbelows and, further back, Radio Rentals. 

Swisskits were once ubiquitous, though I never much cared for them.  (“I'll risk it for a Swisskit" – so annoying.)   But I liked Barmouth biscuits, which apparently disappeared in the 1990s.

However the greatest crime against British identity – because wholly unnecessary – was the replacement of thousands of red phone boxes after BT was privatised in 1984.  “Iconic” is an overused word, but these truly were (and are, where they survive).

BT wanted to look modern and cutting-edge, but the replacement phone boxes quickly looked downmarket, and suitable mainly for the display of advertising by prostitutes.


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Gateway: initially fine fare, changed to gateway, then somerfield. When they went bust most sold of to other supermarkets, Sainsbury's.
MFI: after , I think it was 10 years, previous directors manager's acquired the rights and started to trade again, now as Wren.

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Some brands are of their time, particularly entertainment and tech-based brands.

Radio Rentals, their market changed when the price of TV’s and video players reduced so they became more accessible to consumers meaning the days of rental and slot televisions were over.

Blockbusters were killed by a resurgence in the number of people going to the cinema and also by streaming services meaning the video/DVD rental market disappeared.

Other brands died because of changing shopping habits, others like Wilkinson rested on their laurels and lost market share to cheaper rivals.

Some brands reinvent themselves or adapt to the changing world of commerce, Next is a good example of how to adapt to changing market conditions over several decades.

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Gateway: initially fine fare, changed to gateway, then somerfield. When they went bust most sold of to other supermarkets, Sainsbury's.
MFI: after , I think it was 10 years, previous directors manager's acquired the rights and started to trade again, now as Wren.
MFI reinventing itself as Wren makes sense, I was looking for kitchens a couple of years ago and someone I know who likes researching stuff and reading which reports etc said not to get a Wren kitchen as they didn't rate very highly despite all the adverts giving the impression they are high end / good quality.

There used to be a joke about MFI standing for Made for idiots and years ago I knew people who bought stuff then found it didn't fit together very well and holes didn't necessarily line up etc  :dash:

Most of these businesses fail because their market changes and they fail to adapt to what customers actually want, surprised nobody's mentioned Woolworth and pick and mix  :rolleyes:

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Branches of C&A are, of course, still to be found going strong in Europe.


Offline FLYING BLUE

Some more to add to the list;

Wimpy
Little Chef
Safeway
BHS
Debenhams
Dewhurst

Offline mr.bluesky

Radio Shack electrical retailer although they still exist as an online store.

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Some more to add to the list;

Wimpy
Little Chef
Safeway
BHS
Debenhams
Dewhurst
You can still find Wimpey in some places, the others rebranded as Burger King to compete with McDonalds
Safeway was bought by Morrisons

Offline Stevelondon

Nothing to do with lost brands.
But like VA, I’ve got a couple of polo type shirts I bought in Thailand that must be over 30 years old.
Supposed knock offs I defy anyone to tell the difference between them and the so called real thing 🤷🏼

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Famous Army Stores

Lewis's department stores.  Toys R Us....all gone


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Nothing to do with lost brands.
But like VA, I’ve got a couple of polo type shirts I bought in Thailand that must be over 30 years old.
Supposed knock offs I defy anyone to tell the difference between them and the so called real thing 🤷🏼

Lots of counterfeit goods are made in same factory as originals.
For instance if a Vietnamese factory has a contract to 250,000 Polo shirts, but due to a production error 300,000 are made. The excess 50,000 are essentially snide (not manufactured under licence)  :hi:

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Branches of C&A are, of course, still to be found going strong in Europe.
C & A (Coker and Allen) had a Head Office that decided what clothes they sold - because most of their shops were in Continental Europe, they chose styles that would sell well in that market, which didn't sell in the UK.

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Famous Army Stores

Lewis's department stores.  Toys R Us....all gone

When I was a kid I used to get all my clothes from the Army / Navy stores. I was the only Japanese Admiral in my class  :D

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When I was a kid I used to get all my clothes from the Army / Navy stores. I was the only Japanese Admiral in my class  :D
Classic  :hi:

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WH Smith, gone frome the high street but still have shops at service stations and airports ( where they charge extortionate prices) a lot of their high street store were taken over by TG Jones but they are shutting a lot of their stores.
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Nothing to do with lost brands.
But like VA, I’ve got a couple of polo type shirts I bought in Thailand that must be over 30 years old.
Supposed knock offs I defy anyone to tell the difference between them and the so called real thing 🤷🏼

Me too they were excellent
I remember we thought it would make a nice present for my brother in law but he needs XL or bigger so we got several of the 2 & 3 XLs out and they were exactly the same size as my medium one - only the label was different !

Famously knock-off Lacoste shirts had the croc pointing the wrong way

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Green Shield Stamps

Not exactly a store, more a precursor to modern day loyalty schemes.

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john collier     the window to watch
seymour meads before the big supermarkets yrs ago

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Radio Shack electrical retailer although they still exist as an online store.

was that called tandy ?

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bhs   was a good store also

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Famous Army Stores

Lewis's department stores.  Toys R Us....all gone

thought toys r us  was in stockport but shut  :(
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Gateway: initially fine fare, changed to gateway, then somerfield.

Fine Fare did not become Gateway.  It was one of Gateway's acquisitions (see below).  Gateway’s history goes back well before that of Fine Fare, which was founded only in 1951. 

Gateway began in Bristol in 1875 as J H Mills.  Much later, in 1960, the firm developed a self-service supermarket chain, which it named Gateway Foodmarkets.

In the 1980s Gateway – by this time owned by the Dee Corporation – went on a spending spree, buying up Key Markets (1983), International Stores (1984) and Fine Fare (1985).

International Stores had itself bought various other chains during the previous decade: Price Rite (1973), Wallis Supermarkets (1977) and Mac Food Centres / Macmarkets (1979).

By the 1990s Gateway was struggling, and in 1994 changed its name to Somerfield in a somewhat desperate rebranding exercise.

In 1998, the company took over the Kwik Save chain.  The merger was not a success, and in 2008 Somerfield was acquired by The Co-operative Group, and the 133-year history of J H Mills / Gateway / Somerfield came to an end.


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Green Shield Stamps

Not exactly a store, more a precursor to modern day loyalty schemes.

About 100 filled books to get a crappy toaster  :D

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kwik save used to be good yrs ago and bejams which became Iceland i think


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WH Smith, gone frome the high street but still have shops at service stations and airports ( where they charge extortionate prices) a lot of their high street store were taken over by TG Jones but they are shutting a lot of their stores.
The High Street shops were sold to Modella Capital for £76m but the sale did not include the name, which is still on the profitable shops in Airports and Stations. The High Street shops are now called TG Jones.

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I was known as 'The man from C & A and bought most of my casual clothes there.

However in the days when smart suits were usually worn in the office and when out with the ladies, there was no shortage of men's tailors.

In my city some main streets had them on every corner and with the advent of commercial TV they would vie for customers with their  cogmmercials.
John Collier, John Collier, The window to watch! always sticks in my mind.

I always went to Horne Bros for made to measure formal wear, but there were plenty of other tailors who also had large stocks of off the peg suits.

London Road in Liverpool had most of them so there was plenty of choice from, Hepworths, John Collier, Burtons, Jackson the Tailors, Alexandre, and Weaver to Wearer.

I miss those days when men (& women) wore more stylish clothes.

Even many of  the old shoe shops have gone, such as Stead & Simpson, Freeman Hardy Willis, Dolcis, Ravel, Barratts, Saxone etc.

No wonder many high streets are empty.

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Precursor to John Collier was the Fifty Shilling Tailors. As a kid dragged round high streets by window shopping parents I was always intrigued by this moniker. Inflation had long made a nonsense of a two pound ten shilling (£2.50) suit.

AI Overview:
The Fifty Shilling Tailors was a popular British chain of wholesale bespoke menswear shops. Founded in Leeds in 1907 by Henry Price, the company grew to over 400 high-street branches before being renamed John Collier in the 1950s and later closing in 1985

As an aside, and pertaining to C&A, wasn't C&A labelling intended to inform wearers of their knickers which way round to put them on ?  :D

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The High Street shops were sold to Modella Capital for £76m but the sale did not include the name, which is still on the profitable shops in Airports and Stations. The High Street shops are now called TG Jones.

The problem with TG Jones/ WH Smith shops is that they haven't changed in about 20 years. Whenever I go inside one it's nearly always empty . No wonder so many TG Jones shops are closing down

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[quote author=WASA38 link=topic=462212.msg4511837#msg4511837 date=178656389

As an aside, and pertaining to C&A, wasn't C&A labelling intended to inform wearers of their knickers which way round to put them on ?  :D
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I like a good Essex Girl/Blonde joke  :lol:

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Harry Fenton, later rebranded as just Fenton
And for the ladies Country Casuals and Evans (for the larger ladies) who would do well these days

Offline Bigwilts

You can still find Wimpey in some places, the others rebranded as Burger King to compete with McDonalds
In Salisbury we used to have two Wimpeys.
One was operated by Wimpey, purely as a fast food place and rebranded to Burger King
The other was a franchisee, and operated more as a cafe / diner with cutlery and plates, and being a franchise which stayed as a Wimpey

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The disappearance of red phone boxes is a sad one for me. I completely get that they're probably nowhere near profitable, but as part of functional everyday infrastructure, you kind of expect them to just be there, in case they're needed. A bit like post boxes, which also seem to be getting torn up at an alarming rate.

I sometimes get a flash of happiness when I see a red phone box, only to have it dashed a moment later when on closer inspection it's been turned into a community library, or defibrillator store. The form is there, but the function has been perversely ripped away. It's like returning home and finding your beloved pet dog unceremoniously turned into taxidermy in your absence.

Not sure if this is an urban legend but I once read that a public phone box needs to be used 52 times a year to avoid being marked for disconnection, and I've often idly fantasised about finding a classic phone box to "sponsor" in this way, popping in once a week to make a wholly unnecessary call to a nonplussed friend or family member, all for the greater good and in the name of cementing British tradition for another fleeting year, dammit - but, hypocrite that I am, that remains a daydream.

It's a shame though, innit. A red phone box would have been an instantly recognised and intuitively understood sight in any village or town, in any decade from the 1920s to 2000s. Now - obsolete. And you could say the same about dozens of similar cultural mainstays that, well, haven't stayed. Print media. Post boxes. Postage stamps. Music on physical media. There's a real risk that physical currency could cease to be a thing in (some of) our lifetimes. All replaced with alternatives that are a bit more immediate, a bit more convenient, a bit less permanent and a bit less reliable.

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The disappearance of red phone boxes is a sad one for me. I completely get that they're probably nowhere near profitable, but as part of functional everyday infrastructure, you kind of expect them to just be there, in case they're needed. A bit like post boxes, which also seem to be getting torn up at an alarming rate.

I sometimes get a flash of happiness when I see a red phone box, only to have it dashed a moment later when on closer inspection it's been turned into a community library, or defibrillator store. The form is there, but the function has been perversely ripped away. It's like returning home and finding your beloved pet dog unceremoniously turned into taxidermy in your absence.

Not sure if this is an urban legend but I once read that a public phone box needs to be used 52 times a year to avoid being marked for disconnection, and I've often idly fantasised about finding a classic phone box to "sponsor" in this way, popping in once a week to make a wholly unnecessary call to a nonplussed friend or family member, all for the greater good and in the name of cementing British tradition for another fleeting year, dammit - but, hypocrite that I am, that remains a daydream.

It's a shame though, innit. A red phone box would have been an instantly recognised and intuitively understood sight in any village or town, in any decade from the 1920s to 2000s. Now - obsolete. And you could say the same about dozens of similar cultural mainstays that, well, haven't stayed. Print media. Post boxes. Postage stamps. Music on physical media. There's a real risk that physical currency could cease to be a thing in (some of) our lifetimes. All replaced with alternatives that are a bit more immediate, a bit more convenient, a bit less permanent and a bit less reliable.

The problem with the red telephone boxes is they always used to stink of stale piss as drunks used to relieve themselves inside them as they staggered him from the pub ( or at least they were around my area  :vomit: ) you wouldn't be in there for long making a phonecall. The length of the call was dependent on how long you could hold your breath.
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Wimpy

Odd coincidence;  this was the solution to the same day's Wordle puzzle.

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Radio Shack electrical retailer although they still exist as an online store.

In the UK they traded  as Tandy

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In the UK they traded  as Tandy
Visited there loads, but didn't buy much.

Same with Maplin. Always good to kill time in while waiting for OH on a shopping trip.

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Odd coincidence;  this was the solution to the same day's Wordle puzzle.

Indeed it was - I got it in 3  :)

And for the pedantic (like me) it's Wimpy - Not Wimpey as per other posts above  ;)

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The disappearance of red phone boxes is a sad one for me. I completely get that they're probably nowhere near profitable, but as part of functional everyday infrastructure, you kind of expect them to just be there, in case they're needed. A bit like post boxes, which also seem to be getting torn up at an alarming rate.

I sometimes get a flash of happiness when I see a red phone box, only to have it dashed a moment later when on closer inspection it's been turned into a community library, or defibrillator store. The form is there, but the function has been perversely ripped away. It's like returning home and finding your beloved pet dog unceremoniously turned into taxidermy in your absence.

Not sure if this is an urban legend but I once read that a public phone box needs to be used 52 times a year to avoid being marked for disconnection, and I've often idly fantasised about finding a classic phone box to "sponsor" in this way, popping in once a week to make a wholly unnecessary call to a nonplussed friend or family member, all for the greater good and in the name of cementing British tradition for another fleeting year, dammit - but, hypocrite that I am, that remains a daydream.

It's a shame though, innit. A red phone box would have been an instantly recognised and intuitively understood sight in any village or town, in any decade from the 1920s to 2000s. Now - obsolete. And you could say the same about dozens of similar cultural mainstays that, well, haven't stayed. Print media. Post boxes. Postage stamps. Music on physical media. There's a real risk that physical currency could cease to be a thing in (some of) our lifetimes. All replaced with alternatives that are a bit more immediate, a bit more convenient, a bit less permanent and a bit less reliable.
It it actually correct and i've seen items on the TV where people have decided to make the minimum number of calls just to keep them, AI overview is below

To stay protected from removal by telecom providers like BT under Ofcom guidelines, a UK public phone box needs to have been used for at least 52 calls over the preceding 12 months (an average of once a week).

Protection Criteria - A phone box does not strictly need to meet the call-count threshold if it meets other safety or coverage needs. It is protected from closure if:
It sits in an area without coverage from all four major mobile network operators.
It is located at a known accident or suicide hotspot.
There is clear evidence of local social need, such as frequent calls made to helplines (like Childline or the Samaritans) or use during local emergencies


The problem is that hardly anyone uses these things and they cost quite a bit of money to keep running especially as they appear to be prime targets for vandalism  :thumbsdown:
I remember driving to work about 25 years ago there was a phone box with a lot of the windows broken and god know what damage done inside, within a week or two it was repaired but seemingly every Monday driving to work someone had re-vandalised it, this went on for months on end until one day the phone box had gone

I do still like seeing the really old red ones and don't have an issue if they have been re-purposed as at least they continue to add to the character of a village etc, BTW you can actually buy old ones that have been removed and put them in your garden etc.
Driving into Blackpool on one route someone put one up a few years ago, it's outside of their front wall on a small strip of grass just before the pavement so I assume their own land, I almost crashed the car a couple of years back laughing as for a joke they had put an inflatable woman in it  :lol: 

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Indeed it was - I got it in 3  :)

And for the pedantic (like me) it's Wimpy - Not Wimpey as per other posts above ;)
I stand corrected  :hi:

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Green Shield Stamps

Not exactly a store, more a precursor to modern day loyalty schemes.

Indeed, although the stores (and the catalogue) evolved into Argos.

Fond memories of my mum giving me the stamps to stick in her book. Many a Christmas present was courtesy of the stamps.

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For those who fancy a trip down Memory Lane, here's the Wimpy website:
External Link/Members Only

I went to the "Find Your Wimpy" page, and counted how many Wimpys there currently are in the UK, so you don't have to.  There appear to be 55.

Wimpey (with an E) was George Wimpey Limited, the largest housebuilder in the UK during the 1970s.

In those days, before the Celtic Tiger began to roar and when Ireland was poor and work hard to come by, the firm used a lot of Irish labour – hence the theory that Wimpey stood for "We import more Paddies every year".

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Some brands are of their time, particularly entertainment and tech-based brands.

Radio Rentals, their market changed when the price of TV’s and video players reduced so they became more accessible to consumers meaning the days of rental and slot televisions were over.

Blockbusters were killed by a resurgence in the number of people going to the cinema and also by streaming services meaning the video/DVD rental market disappeared.

Other brands died because of changing shopping habits, others like Wilkinson rested on their laurels and lost market share to cheaper rivals.

Some brands reinvent themselves or adapt to the changing world of commerce, Next is a good example of how to adapt to changing market conditions over several decades.
Agreed. Biggest issue was Blockbuster never got into streaming where as Lovefilm adapted, who remembers receiving and returning a DVD through the post?

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As a sidenote there's a good podcast called Toast on BBC sounds that covers defunct UK brands

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Agreed. Biggest issue was Blockbuster never got into streaming where as Lovefilm adapted, who remembers receiving and returning a DVD through the post?

I was a big fan of LoveFilm. It got taken over by Amazon, which morphed into Prime Video.

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Pre mobile phones, red phone boxes were the only method of arranging punts.

Sometimes I'd have to use 2 phone boxes. One to enquire and make a provisional booking, then another one near the SPs location to confirm.

The nightmare was unable to find the second phone that was working, or running out of change during the call. :dash:

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Pre mobile phones, red phone boxes were the only method of arranging punts.

Sometimes I'd have to use 2 phone boxes. One to enquire and make a provisional booking, then another one near the SPs location to confirm.

The nightmare was unable to find the second phone that was working, or running out of change during the call. :dash:
Not forgetting that those boxes weren't exactly sound proof so if someone was walking past or in the adjacent box then there's a fair chance they would hear your convo or think your coded sentences / short / strange replies were a bit weird  :D

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Fine Fare did not become Gateway.  It was one of Gateway's acquisitions (see below).  Gateway’s history goes back well before that of Fine Fare, which was founded only in 1951. 


Isn’t that fundamentally a semantic argument?

Fine Fare was acquired by the Dee Corporation who also owned Gateway and every Fine Fare store was rebranded as Gateway, so it is accurate to say that Fine Fare became Gateway.

You missed the bit of the history which was Dee Corporation being acquired by Isosceles after overextending themselves through all the acquisitions.  The Isosceles acquisition was controversial as it was both a leveraged buyout and hostile takeover.