How does STI risk from genital rubbing compare to unprotected vaginal sex?

[nombre]

How does the STI risk of pussy rubbing (her vulva/clitoris rubbing against my cock without penetration) compare to BB sex?

[alabama1]

Why dont you Google it 

[TomTank]

Why dont you Google it 

Yes. Rubbing genitals (dry humping) does present a risk for sexually transmitted infections (STIs), though it is lower than the risk of penetrative sex. The risk depends on skin-to-skin contact, the presence of fluids, and existing sores.

Key Facts About Genital Rubbing and STIs:
Skin-to-Skin Contact: Viruses like herpes and Human Papillomavirus (HPV) spread through skin contact. You can catch these if your partner's skin, a sore, or a visible wart touches your genital area.
Bodily Fluids: Bacteria and viruses live in semen and vaginal fluids. If fluids get onto your genitals during rubbing, they can enter through tiny cuts or the mucous membranes (the wet tissue of the genitals).

[runner in the woods]

I was advised at the GUM clinic, that it's mucous membrane touching that folks assume is safe, but be aware it isn't. .

[MissWolf]

I was advised at the GUM clinic, that it's mucous membrane touching that folks assume is safe, but be aware it isn't. .

Exactly this, imo any rubbing between 'the wet bits' is an absolute no and no different to penetrative sex.

An erect penis leaks precum and a vagina is normally wet to some degree, so rubbing will run a high risk of exchanging fluids between them and that carries a risk of std's and pregnancy to a small extent as precum can contain sperm.

[myothernameis]

How does the STI risk of pussy rubbing (her vulva/clitoris rubbing against my cock without penetration) compare to BB sex?

It just takes one slip, and your fully in her pussy, especailly of thr girl is onn top of you

[Thephoenix]

How does the STI risk of pussy rubbing (her vulva/clitoris rubbing against my cock without penetration) compare to BB sex?

No idea, but it feels great.
At least no pregnancy risk from me as I've been firing blanks for 55 years. 

[LauraHoD]

It should be a big NO NO from any girl that doesnt offer BB. It is not safe sex.

[runner in the woods]

I never gave it a thought with B2B, but Wii avoid it in rub and tugs going forwards.

[Mkhelen]

A savvy safe women doing a proper body to body will NEVER rub her naked vagina anywhere near your naked cock

It's more a vagina on your leg and a boobs and hands on your cock

Crabs, Lice , Scabies and herpes are also a risk not just the usual suspects of STIs

Some blokes where a condom for the body to body to feel safer

[Jonestown]

Crabs, Lice , Scabies and herpes are also a risk not just the usual suspects of STIs

A quick pre-punt solo shower and into the hazmat suit would seem to be the safest approach.

[nombre]

Always wondered whether I should avoid SP's who attempt this as it may be a sign that she offers BB sex, as she should know better

[Strawberry]

A good question to ask is;

If you knew the other person has gonorrhoea, chlamydia, or syphilis would you rub your/their penis/vagina on your penis/vagina. Yes I am aware OWO and indeed kissing carries risk too, however for me it's about lowering risk where feasibly possible. Also I try not to transfer fluids with my hands when possible eg clean hand, dirty hand or use of hand gel, or washing hands at suitable or convenient and appropriate intervals.

[Doc Holliday]

Exactly this, imo any rubbing between 'the wet bits' is an absolute no and no different to penetrative sex.

I don't often disagree with you, but it will perhaps come as no surprise, that I do on this.

The OP question was 'comparative' risk. If we exclude from the discussion those STIs that are transmitted from skin to skin, then in terms of those spread by bodily fluids, then both activities carry a risk due to potential exchange.

However the risk of successful transmission from the fluids of an infected individual is, in most instances, considerably less with genital rubbing than with unprotected penetration. This is to do with quantity, duration, the effects of the physical nature of the sex act and the environment in which it takes place. Both urethras are more at risk from penetrative sex than external genital rubbing.

Also people tend to assume that if you do have sex with someone who is positive, then you will automatically become infected too.

If we take Chlamydia for example, then the chances of transmission from a single exposure may be as low as just 5%. This figure could rise to 30-40% in some cases, but that is still far from guaranteed transmission.

If you combine that statistical risk with the other above factors, then while genital rubbing is certainly not safe, it is generally considered to be a low risk activity.

Then of course as always with this discussion, there is the 'elephant in the room' 

[nombre]

On a side not I always use the full sti test available through superdrug every 6 months (£150) and it's always come back clear (touch wood), but if it was positive for some sti, do they also provide the treatment?

[Strawberry]

On a side not I always use the full sti test available through superdrug every 6 months (£150) and it's always come back clear (touch wood), but if it was positive for some sti, do they also provide the treatment?

You probably need to ask the test vendor (Superdrug). I seem to remember Fettle have something like 'if you test positive you will have to visit an in-person GUM clinic to obtain treatment' in the wording or terms and conditions, whilst confirming your order.

[nombre]

You probably need to ask the test vendor (Superdrug). I seem to remember Fettle have something like 'if you test positive you will have to visit an in-person GUM clinic to obtain treatment' in the wording or terms and conditions, whilst confirming your order.

That's a bummer

[nombre]

I'm just a paranoid cunt that prefers to remain under the radar

[Jonestown]

I'm just a paranoid cunt that prefers to remain under the radar

Go to your local GUM clinic, it’s free and they don’t care who you are.

[Strawberry]

I'm just a paranoid cunt that prefers to remain under the radar

I have just gone to the Superdrug STI test webpage, there is a button 'Request treatment', clicking on that opens up a form to fill in including questions about positive STI test results, this to me suggests Superdrug may prescribe treatment.

Generally I prefer to see or speak to a medical professional because you can then ask questions, and find out more about the condition you have. My experience including of myself is that it's easier to skim through or misinterpret online information, compared having an actual conversation in which mistakes and misunderstandings can be corrected.

[nombre]

I have just gone to the Superdrug STI test webpage, there is a button 'Request treatment', clicking on that opens up a form to fill in including questions about positive STI test results, this to me suggests Superdrug may prescribe treatment.

Generally I prefer to see or speak to a medical professional because you can then ask questions, and find out more about the condition you have. My experience including of myself is that it's easier to skim through or misinterpret online information, compared having an actual conversation in which mistakes and misunderstandings can be corrected.

Noted!! 

[Thephoenix]

No idea, but it feels great.
At least no pregnancy risk from me as I've been firing blanks for 55 years. 

My tongue in cheek comment was not intended to suggest the practice is not without risk..
It's not something I seek or particularly encourage when engaging in B2B slide associated with FBSM.
However if I'm absolutely honest, on the very few occasions the lady has instigated this, even though I've been aware of the risk, I've not objected as my dick brain has taken command of the situation.

I would naturally mention at my next STI check.

[MissWolf]

I don't often disagree with you, but it will perhaps come as no surprise, that I do on this.

The OP question was 'comparative' risk. If we exclude from the discussion those STIs that are transmitted from skin to skin, then in terms of those spread by bodily fluids, then both activities carry a risk due to potential exchange.

However the risk of successful transmission from the fluids of an infected individual is, in most instances, considerably less with genital rubbing than with unprotected penetration. This is to do with quantity, duration, the effects of the physical nature of the sex act and the environment in which it takes place. Both urethras are more at risk from penetrative sex than external genital rubbing.

Also people tend to assume that if you do have sex with someone who is positive, then you will automatically become infected too.

If we take Chlamydia for example, then the chances of transmission from a single exposure may be as low as just 5%. This figure could rise to 30-40% in some cases, but that is still far from guaranteed transmission.

If you combine that statistical risk with the other above factors, then while genital rubbing is certainly not safe, it is generally considered to be a low risk activity.

Then of course as always with this discussion, there is the 'elephant in the room' 

I don't mind you disagreeing with me on occasion Doc and I understand the science and statistics, I just prefer not to engage in bare rubbing of any kind and couldn't ever recommend anyone doing it because,  however small there is still a risk 

[Doc Holliday]

I don't mind you disagreeing with me on occasion Doc and I understand the science and statistics, I just prefer not to engage in bare rubbing of any kind and couldn't ever recommend anyone doing it because, however small there is still a risk

Agreed. Preference is everything and decisions taken are not necessarily governed just by risk. Hence the 'elephant in the room' 

Also in overall terms, an individual risk assessment will have some commonalities for both SPs and punters, but also significant different parameters to consider. 

[scutty brown]

It's worth remembering that three syphilis-related diseases (yaws, bejel, pinta) are transferred by any skin-to-skin contact, not specifically genital contact. While those three are virtually unknown here it's not beyond possibility that syphilis could regain its ability to transfer in that way. There's very little biological difference between the four treponema diseases.

[Collingwood]

On a side not I always use the full sti test available through superdrug every 6 months (£150) and it's always come back clear (touch wood), but if it was positive for some sti, do they also provide the treatment?

Regardless of where you get tested if you have HPV it won’t show - men can’t be tested for it . But if you give it to your wife / regular partner and she has a routine smear test it WILL show up and you may have awkward qustions to answer 

[webpunter]

Some blokes where a condom for the body to body to feel safer

Crikey
Our [ie punters] fave sport maybe not for them
Do any keep it on for HJ action ?

[Doc Holliday]

Regardless of where you get tested if you have HPV it won’t show - men can’t be tested for it . But if you give it to your wife / regular partner and she has a routine smear test it WILL show up and you may have awkward questions to answer

The question may well be asked, but is of no real consequence, as it is nearly always impossible to trace the source.

She is in the same boat and you could also question her? It is a largely pointless exercise though for both parties 

[webpunter]

She is in the same boat and you could also question her? It is a largely pointless exercise though for both parties 

Indeed however she could be one of the m-netter types who has long since lost interest in sex
& turned the taps off for her OH donkeys ages ago
Some do when a ring on da finger & kids appear 
& is unlikely to have turned them back on
Its is of course possible to catch stuff from a toilet seat