Phone/Messages ignored

[Big Bad R]

Thought this would have been covered previously but couldn’t find anything specific…….

I am having trouble arranging meetings from ‘new’ girls (new to me) often ghosted or last minute cancellations.

My AW profile is all good but wonder if a girl has posted something negative on my phone number. I would add I don't  know why as can’t recall any bad blood.

Is there a way of checking this ?

Cheers

[PilotMan]

It's good housekeeping practice to change your punting phone SIM every so often.

[Big Bad R]

Fair point, had mine a few years now !

[daviemac]

Is there a way of checking this ?

Not now, at one time you could check your own phone number on ClientEye but this thread put a stop to that - https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=300677.0

They were watching it and as a workaround was posted they closed it, only bona fide escorts can access it now, for those not registered whatever phone number they put in shows 1 report but without any detail.

[Massage Bloke]

Fair point, had mine a few years now !

You've left a fair few negs and neutrals.

I hate to think what revengeful and spiteful things have been said about you on CE over the years.

Time for some housekeeping, starting as, PM has said, with getting yourself a new punting phone.

[RandomGuy99]

It looks like some SPs have been adding SS' UKP IDs to CE, so it now displays that you're a member on here and some/many SPs don't like to see UKPers.

[Massage Bloke]

It looks like some SPs have been adding SS' UKP IDs to CE, so it now displays that you're a member on here and some/many SPs don't like to see UKPers.

It might become even more of an issue, now the PN has closed down. No more glowing reviews from pimps, fluffies, white nights and SPs themselves!

Just the unvarnished reviews on UKP...!

[Jonestown]

It looks like some SPs have been adding SS' UKP IDs to CE, so it now displays that you're a member on here and some/many SPs don't like to see UKPers.

So what is the link that enables them to make that connection- a live AW account which stores your punting history to be compared to review history on UKP ?

[PilotMan]

Fair point, had mine a few years now !

If you walked from an SP or gave a review that was unwelcome (even if it was positive), you will most likely be on some sort of list.

Get a new SIM.

I change mine a couple of times a year. You might have to let regulars know in advance.

[RandomGuy99]

So what is the link that enables them to make that connection- a live AW account which stores your punting history to be compared to review history on UKP ?

There are many SPs on here silently reading our reviews. It is often not difficult to figure out what are our AW profile names are.  Some of these SPs then make reports on CE linking our phone numbers and AW and UKP profiles. When an SP is doing their checking on an SS some may put your number into CE and up come the reports linking your number to UKP.  You don't have to have an AW account for them to link you. They just need to identify that a review you wrote about them was you and they know your number from the booking. Some SPs have a policy of not seeing UKP members. It's entirely up to them and you can't argue against it. SPs should see the people they want to see and if being a UKPer disqualifies you then so be it. UKP is still a useful source of information to help us spend our money wisely. I think SPs dislike it as reviews on here just cause them drama whether they're good or bad and if they're seeing a UKP member then if something happens on a booking then it might end up in a review positive, negative or neutral and it's then there forever, so it possibly puts unwanted pressure on the SP.

I recently had an SP who I had seen twice before and wrote a positive review about suddenly start ignoring my texts and AW messages. To test my theory that I had been blocked for some reason I texted her on another number and immediately got a reply. I did tell her it was me and she told me that I was banned for being an UKPer. She seemed to think that I was going to book her using the other number, which I could of done, but that would be stupid as I would have walked in the door and been declined service for being a UKPer and walked back out again, so a total waste of her and my time. I deliberately told her it was me as I wanted to understand why I was banned. She told me my UKP username, so she knew I was a UKPer and that was the reason for the ban. I didn't argue as it is entirely up to the SP who they see. I now know not to bother contacting that SP.  I did suggest that she could just block me on AW, so I could see that my messages were being automatically deleted and know that my custom was no longer wanted. These things happen. There's plenty more SPs out there.

I haven't changed my number as I don't think I have anything to hide. I try to treat SPs with respect and expect to be treated with respect in return.  Some other SPs that I've seen have known I am a member on here and they've told me that they don't want a review, so I haven't reviewed them. I've also been banned by another SP for a review of one of her friends. It happens.

[Tongue in Cheeks]

Any suggestions on where to get a free SIM at all?

I know you could get these from some providers but not sure they don’t these days.

[PilotMan]

Any suggestions on where to get a free SIM at all?

I know you could get these from some providers but not sure they don’t these days.

Why free?

They're free or £1 in most places, but you still have to pay for calls.

Try Tesco or any supermarket, or minimart.

[lewisjones23]

Any suggestions on where to get a free SIM at all?

I know you could get these from some providers but not sure they don’t these days.

Download the app Text Me, it is free and you can generate a free UK number every 24 hours

No need for a punting phone and can delete the number after each punt and get a fresh one

[Massage Bloke]

So what is the link that enables them to make that connection- a live AW account which stores your punting history to be compared to review history on UKP ?

It's often very easy for SPs to make the connection when a punter leaves a neg.

Many on UKP follow the standing advice of leaving it a while before posting a review.

However when it comes to bad reviews, it's all too easy for SPs to build-up an intel picture.

Many neg reviews, reveal crucial information, because the punter often reasons he isn't going back again.

Case in point:

I left a comment on an interesting review yesterday. The punter was going at it hammer and tongs with an SP, but he needed a piss. The SP told him if he pulled out and went to the bathroom, the punt would be over. The punter kept going but then had to take a break for a slash. When he came out from the bathroom, he found the SP was as good as her word and refused to get him over the edge!

The punter left the gaff (with blue balls) and he posted a very well deserved neg. He knew was never going back.

The SP is going to be able to make the connection.

Although I've no idea if she left anything on CE.
 

[MLawro93]

Just get a new punting number. Let any regular SPs know in advance and move on.

[Big Bad R]

Thanks chaps think its time for a new SIM.

Frustrating as always treat SPs with respect...........

[Nomerzypuntr]

There are many SPs on here silently reading our reviews. It is often not difficult to figure out what are our AW profile names are.  Some of these SPs then make reports on CE linking our phone numbers and AW and UKP profiles. When an SP is doing their checking on an SS some may put your number into CE and up come the reports linking your number to UKP.  You don't have to have an AW account for them to link you. They just need to identify that a review you wrote about them was you and they know your number from the booking. Some SPs have a policy of not seeing UKP members. It's entirely up to them and you can't argue against it. SPs should see the people they want to see and if being a UKPer disqualifies you then so be it. UKP is still a useful source of information to help us spend our money wisely. I think SPs dislike it as reviews on here just cause them drama whether they're good or bad and if they're seeing a UKP member then if something happens on a booking then it might end up in a review positive, negative or neutral and it's then there forever, so it possibly puts unwanted pressure on the SP.

I recently had an SP who I had seen twice before and wrote a positive review about suddenly start ignoring my texts and AW messages. To test my theory that I had been blocked for some reason I texted her on another number and immediately got a reply. I did tell her it was me and she told me that I was banned for being an UKPer. She seemed to think that I was going to book her using the other number, which I could of done, but that would be stupid as I would have walked in the door and been declined service for being a UKPer and walked back out again, so a total waste of her and my time. I deliberately told her it was me as I wanted to understand why I was banned. She told me my UKP username, so she knew I was a UKPer and that was the reason for the ban. I didn't argue as it is entirely up to the SP who they see. I now know not to bother contacting that SP.  I did suggest that she could just block me on AW, so I could see that my messages were being automatically deleted and know that my custom was no longer wanted. These things happen. There's plenty more SPs out there.

I haven't changed my number as I don't think I have anything to hide. I try to treat SPs with respect and expect to be treated with respect in return.  Some other SPs that I've seen have known I am a member on here and they've told me that they don't want a review, so I haven't reviewed them. I've also been banned by another SP for a review of one of her friends. It happens.

Bad for them, they will not get clients if they do this way. There are many SPs do like this, then they changed their name, create new profiles . And punters take new SIMs . If the service is poor it should be reviewed as we men give the money they asked so it makes sense

[Jonestown]

Case in point:

I left a comment on an interesting review yesterday. The punter was going at it hammer and tongs with an SP, but he needed a piss. The SP told him if he pulled out and went to the bathroom, the punt would be over. The punter kept going but then had to take a break for a slash. When he came out from the bathroom, he found the SP was as good as her word and refused to get him over the edge!

The punter left the gaff (with blue balls) and he posted a very well deserved neg. He knew was never going back.

The SP is going to be able to make the connection.

Although I've no idea if she left anything on CE.

Ah the “I was in stereo she was in analogue” conflict.

[RandomGuy99]

Bad for them, they will not get clients if they do this way. There are many SPs do like this, then they changed their name, create new profiles . And punters take new SIMs . If the service is poor it should be reviewed as we men give the money they asked so it makes sense

They view UKP as the members being two faced giving a positive on AW and then possibly a negative on here. They're not wrong. We are being two faced.

Many SPs just don't like UKP members as clients. I think only a small percentage of clients are UKP members so it doesn't bother the SPs when they block us.

[MLawro93]

They view UKP as the members being two faced giving a positive on AW and then possibly a negative on here. They're not wrong. We are being two faced.

Many SPs just don't like UKP members as clients. I think only a small percentage of clients are UKP members so it doesn't bother the SPs when they block us.

Or most guys just don't talk about it. I find it hard to believe that guys who regularly punt have never come across UKP. 

[Nomerzypuntr]

Or most guys just don't talk about it. I find it hard to believe that guys who regularly punt have never come across UKP. 

Exactly

[RandomGuy99]

Or most guys just don't talk about it. I find it hard to believe that guys who regularly punt have never come across UKP. 

I didn't talk about it to them they figured it out for themselves.

[Nomerzypuntr]

I didn't talk about it to them they figured it out for themselves.

There must be a valid reason a SP did that to you, what happened really??

[RandomGuy99]

There must be a valid reason a SP did that to you, what happened really??

Absolutely nothing. Some SPs just don't like UKPers. The one that blocked me because of a review of her friend actually had a booking booked with me and then she cancelled it and sent me a message on AW telling me off for being a member on here.

[Massage Bloke]

There must be a valid reason a SP did that to you, what happened really??

You need to lurk on SP forums.

You will then see how much some SPs hate this site.

[Nomerzypuntr]

Maybe I need to stop punting and look for girls from pubs midnight

[PilotMan]

You need to lurk on SP forums.

You will then see how much some SPs hate this site.

You sound like someone who just likes lurking.

[Paul9144]

Thought this would have been covered previously but couldn’t find anything specific…….

I am having trouble arranging meetings from ‘new’ girls (new to me) often ghosted or last minute cancellations.

My AW profile is all good but wonder if a girl has posted something negative on my phone number. I would add I don't  know why as can’t recall any bad blood.

Is there a way of checking this ?

Cheers

It's a combination of things...some SP's/SP comms handlers are a bit slow and simple in the head, and are too incompetent to manage the booking comms. Others are malicious at times and like to damage their own income potential by isolating our members. To me, if they're competent SP's, then they'll have no issues and nothing to worry about by seeing our reviewers.

In regards to having a good AW profile, I'm in the exact same boat as you - Good photos, Bio etc. All overwhelmingly positive feedback ratings. However, it again comes down to SP competency. If you reference your AW profile when reaching out with some of them not having the common sense to login into their AW profiles and read them positive ratings, well...there you go then. 

Either way, it is what it is...you can't control what you can't control, but you can control what you can control.

As others have advised in this thread here, change your punting phone number every so often and move on.

[Strawberry]

I am wondering what the OP's messages contain, I am aware there have been threads about this, plus the issues mentioned already in this thread - but sometimes some punters (quite a high proportion who make contact) miss what SPs are looking for.

[Jonestown]

It's a combination of things...some SP's/SP comms handlers are a bit slow and simple in the head, and are too incompetent to manage the booking comms. Others are malicious at times and like to damage their own income potential by isolating our members.

Really ?

[Paul9144]

Really ?

Yes, I believe it reads as so...do you have something that you would like to say?

[Jonestown]

Yes, I believe it reads as so...do you have something that you would like to say?

Can you give some examples of the simple minded and malicious booking experiences you have had ?

[RandomGuy99]

I am wondering what the OP's messages contain, I am aware there have been threads about this, plus the issues mentioned already in this thread - but sometimes some punters (quite a high proportion who make contact) miss what SPs are looking for.

Which is date and time you want to book, incall/outcall, what services you want and how much  you are planning to pay.

[Paul9144]

Can you give some examples of the simple minded and malicious booking experiences you have had ?

Firstly, did I quote reply to you?

Secondly, as per the below, did I mention anything about malicious booking experiences that I've had?

If you read what I had written (I've made it easy for you to read in bold and underlined underneath) and rewritten it again for you here - "Others are malicious at times and like to damage their own income potential".

Is it not a common sense fact that SP's that don't accept bookings from reviewing punters are damaging their potential income?

And as for simple minded and malicious experiences of mine as you've asked so nicely, why don't you look through my reviewing history with accurately documented screenshot messages attached - I believe that it will more than cover the simple minded part.     

It's a combination of things...some SP's/SP comms handlers are a bit slow and simple in the head, and are too incompetent to manage the booking comms. Others are malicious at times and like to damage their own income potential by isolating our members. To me, if they're competent SP's, then they'll have no issues and nothing to worry about by seeing our reviewers.

In regards to having a good AW profile, I'm in the exact same boat as you - Good photos, Bio etc. All overwhelmingly positive feedback ratings. However, it again comes down to SP competency. If you reference your AW profile when reaching out with some of them not having the common sense to login into their AW profiles and read them positive ratings, well...there you go then. 

Either way, it is what it is...you can't control what you can't control, but you can control what you can control.

As others have advised in this thread here, change your punting phone number every so often and move on.

It is also not a fact as other members have alluded to in this thread that some (I say some, not all) SP's do maliciously submit Client Eye reports about us, hence why we have to change our punting phone numbers every now and so often?

If you walked from an SP or gave a review that was unwelcome (even if it was positive), you will most likely be on some sort of list.

Get a new SIM.

I change mine a couple of times a year. You might have to let regulars know in advance.

Absolutely nothing. Some SPs just don't like UKPers. The one that blocked me because of a review of her friend actually had a booking booked with me and then she cancelled it and sent me a message on AW telling me off for being a member on here.

[Jonestown]

Firstly, did I quote reply to you?

Secondly, as per the below, did I mention anything about malicious booking experiences that I've had?

If you read what I had written (I've made it easy for you to read in bold and underlined underneath) and rewritten it again for you here - "Others are malicious at times and like to damage their own income potential".

Is it not a common sense fact that SP's that don't accept bookings from reviewing punters are damaging their potential income?

And as for simple minded and malicious experiences of mine as you've asked so nicely, why don't you look through my reviewing history with accurately documented screenshot messages attached - I believe that it will more than cover the simple minded part.     

It is also not a fact as other members have alluded to in this thread that some (I say some, not all) SP's do maliciously submit Client Eye reports about us, hence why we have to change our punting phone numbers every now and so often?

Interesting response, I’m inclined think if I was an SP i wouldnt accept a booking from you either.

[Paul9144]

Interesting response, I’m inclined think if I was an SP i wouldnt accept a booking from you either.

What you do or don't think is irrelevant and is not objective - matter closed.

[daviemac]

What you do or don't think is irrelevant and is not objective - matter closed.

You come across as quite aggressive mate. Remember me saying that how you behave in general on the forum is a major consideration in what you asked about. 

[Paul9144]

You come across as quite aggressive mate. Remember me saying that how you behave in general on the forum is a major consideration in what you asked about. 

Apologies - I respect and heed to your advice.

[Mkhelen]

Girls will just add your new number..to CE

Also could damage the rep with a reg sp won't be applicable to regular customers discount if you don't give the old number meaning paying for a deposit and paying full bag

Could be something very innocent like

Could it be the girl was off work or full booked and unable to answer her phone because she'd busy servicing a customer

[MLawro93]

Girls will just add your new number..to CE

Also could damage the rep with a reg sp won't be applicable to regular customers discount if you don't give the old number meaning paying for a deposit and paying full bag

Could be something very innocent like

Could it be the girl was off work or full booked and unable to answer her phone because she'd busy servicing a customer

OP mentions last minute cancellations or being ghosted consistently. Perhaps something is flagging and they cancel last minute or he is just picking his punts poorly (which is doubtful, he isn't a novice).

[Mkhelen]

Ah apologies reading it too quickly I missed that bit

So picking a conveyor belt girl who does back to back punts or not the girl booking it a booking agent or receptionist who prioritize the bigger jobs

[Mkhelen]

I have cancelled appointments at last minute for aggressive forceful disrespectful with zero manners and whorephobic language that put me off
As it means we are not compatible and it won't work chemistry wise or safety

Gut instincts are usually right

[Iamforreal]

They view UKP as the members being two faced giving a positive on AW and then possibly a negative on here. They're not wrong. We are being two faced.

Many SPs just don't like UKP members as clients. I think only a small percentage of clients are UKP members so it doesn't bother the SPs when they block us.

Like there is a choice  AW feedback is rigged.
I left negative reviews for no shows on AW and you can see many others are leaving negatives on AW.
This two faced thing sounds crass  and doesn't really reflect reality

[alabama1]

Like there is a choice  AW feedback is rigged.
I left negative reviews for no shows on AW and you can see many others are leaving negatives on AW.
This two faced thing sounds crass  and doesn't really reflect reality

RG99 has history on here for consistently coming down on the side of SP's, for reasons best known to him 

[RandomGuy99]

Like there is a choice  AW feedback is rigged.
I left negative reviews for no shows on AW and you can see many others are leaving negatives on AW.
This two faced thing sounds crass  and doesn't really reflect reality

I agree, but we definitely are saying one thing on AW and another on here, so definitely two faced but as you say we have no choice if we want to avoid getting negatives on AW, so AW feedback is pretty much pointless.

[alabama1]

They view UKP as the members being two faced giving a positive on AW and then possibly a negative on here. They're not wrong. We are being two faced.

Many SPs just don't like UKP members as clients. I think only a small percentage of clients are UKP members so it doesn't bother the SPs when they block us.

Not necessarily. If i leave positive feedback on AW, it is genuine. If i had a bad experience, then i do not leave feedback on AW, i leave it here.

[Big Bad R]

I am wondering what the OP's messages contain, I am aware there have been threads about this, plus the issues mentioned already in this thread - but sometimes some punters (quite a high proportion who make contact) miss what SPs are looking for.

Not sure what you mean here Strawberry. Are you referring to the tone of my messages. I would say they are polite and courteous no demands or particular requests………

I can only assume someone I have given a negative/neutral on here has put 2 and 2 together and linked my AW profile and put something negative on CE. No way of checking though.

[PilotMan]

Girls will just add your new number..to CE

I can't see how you would be able to make that connection.

Unless a punter does something to connect his old number to his new number, which would defeat the point of getting a new number.

How would you be able to do that?

[Strawberry]

Not sure what you mean here Strawberry. Are you referring to the tone of my messages. I would say they are polite and courteous no demands or particular requests………

I can only assume someone I have given a negative/neutral on here has put 2 and 2 together and linked my AW profile and put something negative on CE. No way of checking though.

Not necessarily the tone, some punters send what would be considered polite in a different context, but to an SP or any one else in business, are actually not 'polite'. They are superfluous and or vacuous.

[RandomGuy99]

I can't see how you would be able to make that connection.

Unless a punter does something to connect his old number to his new number, which would defeat the point of getting a new number.

How would you be able to do that?

The SS writes a review on here. The SP figures out their AW profile and has their latest number and adds it to CE.