Staying clean in Bangkok

[DeeDee1234567]

Hello,
First time poster, I'm heading to SE Asia later this month, with a week or more planned in Bangkok. I want to avoid getting STD's and have been blessed never to have had the issue here in the UK. Bangkok is where the worlds cocks share the same barrel of fish. How does everyone avoid getting something? I have been told there is a difference between agency girls and freelancers, but freelancers do seem the best value for money. I see a lot of posts here saying the girls wash and scrub you before service in some places. That's actually more unsafe for you, as you could be causing micro abrasions and openings for bacteria. Anyway, just looking for advice from the elders of the tribe on how to avoid getting an STD. Thank you

[southcoastpunter]

The same way as you do in the uk or anywhere else!
Take your own condoms and use them together with common sense!
You can also take Prep if you want to - I only have sex with ladies ( no ladyboys etc) and don’t feel the need for prep - I always get a test when I return to the uk and have never tested positive for anything ( after about 9 visits and going with bar, club and freelance girls!
Lots of threads and advice in them on this forum!

[Dulmenite]

You could always keep your trousers on ! Ha !

[DeeDee1234567]

 

I'm not packing trousers. Will make for an awkward flight but will save time once I've landed.

[Jerboa]

Antiboitics like doxycycline are available over the counter at any thai pharmacy.

[DeeDee1234567]

Alright, thanks everyone for the advice, do the girls get regularly tested? I assume if they work for establishments they would do right? Like company girls. How about the freelancers? I'm thinking of asking them straight up, how often do you get tested. I'm also going at a non-peak tourist time, so means less chaos for the girls, and less chance they just got something earlier in the day from a guy. 

[southcoastpunter]

Generally the girls working are from poor areas of Thailand which is a generally poor country anyway! Not many will get tested as most of their money is sent home to support their family - any children they have, their parents, brothers and sisters etc! !
Protect yourself and you shouldn’t have any problems! If you are still worried- then just have a massage and HE - if you are still worried, then Thailand and punting probably ain’t for you!

[Cambridgy]

If you do hook up with someone for the longer term - there are plenty of STI testing clinics for you to fund for her...

[DeeDee1234567]

Generally the girls working are from poor areas of Thailand which is a generally poor country anyway! Not many will get tested as most of their money is sent home to support their family - any children they have, their parents, brothers and sisters etc! !
Protect yourself and you shouldn’t have any problems! If you are still worried- then just have a massage and HE - if you are still worried, then Thailand and punting probably ain’t for you!

I understand, thanks a lot, just wanted to get the scope of what 'normal' is in Bangkok, what sort of protection the girls and establishments themselves go through, if a place is known to have girls giving guys diseases, its going to be bad for business right.

There's no way the high end escorts don't have vetting for this stuff, I'm just trying to figure out what the sweet spot is in the country for safety vs value for money. Also how careful I should be mentally. You know some countries the STD's are so low, you can throw caution to the wind.

[Mr Garmin]

I understand, thanks a lot, just wanted to get the scope of what 'normal' is in Bangkok, what sort of protection the girls and establishments themselves go through, if a place is known to have girls giving guys diseases, its going to be bad for business right.

There's no way the high end escorts don't have vetting for this stuff, I'm just trying to figure out what the sweet spot is in the country for safety vs value for money. Also how careful I should be mentally. You know some countries the STD's are so low, you can throw caution to the wind.

You're an optimist, I'll give you that.

Many men rove from place to place often shagging multiple girls in the same night.  Good luck tracking which establishment it was.

[Mr Garmin]

There's no way the high end escorts don't have vetting for this stuff, I'm just trying to figure out what the sweet spot is in the country for safety vs value for money. Also how careful I should be mentally. You know some countries the STD's are so low, you can throw caution to the wind.

What do you mean by this?  Are you suggesting that there are countries where you wouldn't bother taking precautions?

[DeeDee1234567]

You're an optimist, I'll give you that.

Many men rove from place to place often shagging multiple girls in the same night.  Good luck tracking which establishment it was.

Yeah, fair enough, you might be right, I'm a Thailand virgin, sounds like its what pirate cities were in the 1700s

[DeeDee1234567]

What do you mean by this?  Are you suggesting that there are countries where you wouldn't bother taking precautions?

Definitely man, Eastern Europe for example, especially in a town that's not touristy. Of course you would still protect yourself, but if you did do some stuff without protection, you're less likely to have a panic attack about it after you nutted. Compared to say AIDs central in Africa, to use an extreme example

[Cambridgy]

In 90% of Asian countries bareback is the default - so remember to take a lot of your own condoms.
 

[billybob69]

I understand, thanks a lot, just wanted to get the scope of what 'normal' is in Bangkok, what sort of protection the girls and establishments themselves go through, if a place is known to have girls giving guys diseases, its going to be bad for business right.

There's no way the high end escorts don't have vetting for this stuff, I'm just trying to figure out what the sweet spot is in the country for safety vs value for money. Also how careful I should be mentally. You know some countries the STD's are so low, you can throw caution to the wind.

It feels that you are looking through Thailand through a British escort service lens. There are literally hundreds of thousands of businesses offering sexual services in Thailand, but I can only think of one (the long since gone 'Devils Den') that advertises that it STI tests its girls. So I think that the 'normal' is that the businesses don't enforce testing and it is very, very rare for the girls to self-test.

I would say the 'normal' for British punters over there is to take their own condoms. Some might do tests when they return. Some might take a course of Prep.

Well, do ya feel lucky punk?

[scutty brown]

Definitely man, Eastern Europe for example, especially in a town that's not touristy. Of course you would still protect yourself, but if you did do some stuff without protection, you're less likely to have a panic attack about it after you nutted. Compared to say AIDs central in Africa, to use an extreme example

You are seriously misguided.
Where do you think the high risk Romanian / Hungarian / Moldovan / Albanians come from? Predominantly rural gypsy towns/villages well off the tourist track where condoms are unheard of.

[Mr Garmin]

You are seriously misguided.
Where do you think the high risk Romanian / Hungarian / Moldovan / Albanians come from? Predominantly rural gypsy towns/villages well off the tourist track where condoms are unheard of.

I gave up on him when he came out with that nonsense.

[Jerboa]

I understand, thanks a lot, just wanted to get the scope of what 'normal' is in Bangkok, what sort of protection the girls and establishments themselves go through, if a place is known to have girls giving guys diseases, its going to be bad for business right.

There's no way the high end escorts don't have vetting for this stuff, I'm just trying to figure out what the sweet spot is in the country for safety vs value for money. Also how careful I should be mentally. You know some countries the STD's are so low, you can throw caution to the wind.

Have you ever been to Thailand? I guess not, these so called high end escorts are just freelancers who charge 4x the rate if you book them through a agency.

[DeeDee1234567]

Have you ever been to Thailand? I guess not, these so called high end escorts are just freelancers who charge 4x the rate if you book them through a agency.

Listen, this site caters to normal people I would say. In every country, there is a market for the very wealthy. The girls those guys accept have to be vetted. I'm not saying these girls are readily accessible to us, but there are definitely girls catering to a level of wealthy clientele who make it their business to be clean for them, not to give them any STDs. Surely you are aware of this? Porn stars are paid what, a couple of thousand per scene? They get triple checked for a few thousand, so do high level escorts. Just not the ones most people visit when going Thailand, which is fair enough. I have found one site where they specify the girls are clean and checked, how true it is or isn't, who knows.

[DeeDee1234567]

I gave up on him when he came out with that nonsense.

I mean, why not just stick to the actual topic of the thread, you force me off into a digression then get sniffy like I'm so naïve. I'm sorry I didn't ace my escorting A levels like you did. I just went to a polytechnic to study whore-ology, you got your Phd from Oxford in the theory of well used muff. Well done mate

[Mr Garmin]

In every country, there is a market for the very wealthy. The girls those guys accept have to be vetted. I'm not saying these girls are readily accessible to us, but there are definitely girls catering to a level of wealthy clientele who make it their business to be clean for them, not to give them any STDs.

I'm sure that you will be aware of the recent story of one of the wealthiest men in the world allegedly catching an STD from a Russian hooker?

[DeeDee1234567]

I'm sure that you will be aware of the recent story of one of the wealthiest men in the world allegedly catching an STD from a Russian hooker?

Do you think it was in the news because its so rare for these rich guys to use escorts, or because its so rare for them to get STDs from them? The facts its in the news proves its uncommon for them to get anything, but its a numbers game, even if they are 99.9 percent protected, yes, an STD will slip through, that's because of incubating periods, the fact that the girls of course have multiple partners, they keep the chances low, but its never zero.

[Mr Garmin]

Do you think it was in the news because its so rare for these rich guys to use escorts, or because its so rare for them to get STDs from them? The facts its in the news proves its uncommon for them to get anything, but its a numbers game, even if they are 99.9 percent protected, yes, an STD will slip through, that's because of incubating periods, the fact that the girls of course have multiple partners, they keep the chances low, but its never zero.

Sorry but that's bollocks.  I bet wealthy people catch STD's at a similar rate to the overall population possibly at an even higher rate.  We don't hear about, not because it's rare, but because it's private information that usually doesn't get out.  In the recent case it came from a release of private emails.

So are you saying that you wouldn't bother using barrier protection in some parts of Eastern Europe as you regard the risk to be low?  Would you put the UK in the same category?

[scutty brown]

I'm sure that you will be aware of the recent story of one of the wealthiest men in the world allegedly catching an STD from a Russian hooker?

Do you mean Trump?

[alabama1]

Definitely man, Eastern Europe for example, especially in a town that's not touristy. Of course you would still protect yourself, but if you did do some stuff without protection, you're less likely to have a panic attack about it after you nutted. Compared to say AIDs central in Africa, to use an extreme example

You have just contradicted yourself within 20 words 

[Mr Garmin]

Do you mean Trump?

No

[scutty brown]

Do you think it was in the news because its so rare for these rich guys to use escorts, or because its so rare for them to get STDs from them? The facts its in the news proves its uncommon for them to get anything, but its a numbers game, even if they are 99.9 percent protected, yes, an STD will slip through, that's because of incubating periods, the fact that the girls of course have multiple partners, they keep the chances low, but its never zero.

DeeDee
Have you actually ever shagged an escort or prostitute? Or  for that matter ever had sex?
Is your proposed visit to Thailand intended to break your duck?

[DeeDee1234567]

DeeDee
Have you actually ever shagged an escort or prostitute? Or  for that matter ever had sex?
Is your proposed visit to Thailand intended to break your duck?

My eyes are rolling so much, they might fall out of my head. Some people on this site can't just disagree like gentleman, or don't have the capacity to share their experience without having to try to embarrass the other person. Doesn't bode well for the poor women they pay for either. Take it easy everyone. I have a perspective, it's wrong or its right, I gave it honestly. To all the guys who clearly are or were riddled with STD's, I hope it works out for you

[DeeDee1234567]

You have just contradicted yourself within 20 words 

Bro, maybe its protected sex, but you feel safe enough for unprotected oral, giving or receiving. Also could mean in the sense that as a general rule, you protect yourself, but at times, you consider the odds, and risk it unprotected if the girl suggests it and makes clear she is clean or something.

[DeeDee1234567]

Sorry but that's bollocks.  I bet wealthy people catch STD's at a similar rate to the overall population possibly at an even higher rate.  We don't hear about, not because it's rare, but because it's private information that usually doesn't get out.  In the recent case it came from a release of private emails.

So are you saying that you wouldn't bother using barrier protection in some parts of Eastern Europe as you regard the risk to be low?  Would you put the UK in the same category?

The best policy is always being protected, definitely, even when they say they're clean, they can't be sure themselves if they are seeing multiple people a day. It's to your own discretion. I definitely hold to the position that meeting a woman in some locations is much higher risk of STD's than others. Even for HPV which there is no protection for. I am confident it is lower risk in towns where the clientelle is 90 percent local, compared to towns/ cities where people fly in specifically to fuck them.

[webpunter]

The best policy is always being protected, definitely, even when they say they're clean, they can't be sure themselves if they are seeing multiple people a day. It's to your own discretion. I definitely hold to the position that meeting a woman in some locations is much higher risk of STD's than others. Even for HPV which there is no protection for. I am confident it is lower risk in towns where the clientelle is 90 percent local, compared to towns/ cities where people fly in specifically to fuck them.

Are you doing a thesis for a Degree Masters etc or do you just happen to have a vivid imagination ?

[Fatman]

So chaps can’t keep up with all the banter… 
For my own little input… as said before take your own condoms be a little careful if they use baby oil as lubricant or coconut oil I.e massage parlours ( as normal condoms don’t like baby oil the expensive Skyn brand like coconut oil).
I always give out condoms to the girls.. I always take loads.
I would also take doxycycline ( get online as malaria drug say your traveling near to Cambodia 👍) to keep your immune system up, its  a good insurance policy.
I heard, that after oral without take a piss as soon as possible to clear out any chance of infection.
As said take a test after returning.
And lastly fucking go and have some fun and enjoy yourself it’s not a dress rehearsal… you only live once 🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️ it’s best country in the world…

[Mr Garmin]

To answer your question, yes there are higher risk places in the world and Thailand will be one of them based on sheer weight of numbers.  Also, there's a larger number of men dressing and posing as girls and, whether you like it or not, male/male sex is considered higher risk which is why the STD clinics will ask if you indulge.

I'm surprised that you're even considering mongering there given your risk aversion.

As with everywhere, look after yourself as best you can by bagging up.  I don't think you can tell the likelihood of a girl being infected based on how shiny the agency website is or how much you pay them.

[webpunter]

To answer your question, yes there are higher risk places in the world and Thailand will be one of them based on sheer weight of numbers.  Also, there's a larger number of men dressing and posing as girls and, whether you like it or not, male/male sex is considered higher risk which is why the STD clinics will ask if you indulge.

I'm surprised that you're even considering mongering there given your risk aversion.

As with everywhere, look after yourself as best you can by bagging up.  I don't think you can tell the likelihood of a girl being infected based on how shiny the agency website is or how much you pay them.

Not considered it is
The physics / biology
Translated cock & bum action
Add in that the trans lot comparitively more fucked in the head than heterosexual SPs [they seem to more likely be on the scale] so the approach to risk taking is likely to be higher

Sound logic re likelihood etc

A deep voice can be a giveaway:  External Link/Members Only   

[toon972]

So chaps can’t keep up with all the banter… 
For my own little input… as said before take your own condoms be a little careful if they use baby oil as lubricant or coconut oil I.e massage parlours ( as normal condoms don’t like baby oil the expensive Skyn brand like coconut oil).
I always give out condoms to the girls.. I always take loads.
I would also take doxycycline ( get online as malaria drug say your traveling near to Cambodia 👍) to keep your immune system up, its  a good insurance policy.
I heard, that after oral without take a piss as soon as possible to clear out any chance of infection.
As said take a test after returning.
And lastly fucking go and have some fun and enjoy yourself it’s not a dress rehearsal… you only live once 🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️ it’s best country in the world…

Just to add you can get doxycycline over the counter in any chemist in Thailand.

[Jerboa]

Listen, this site caters to normal people I would say. In every country, there is a market for the very wealthy. The girls those guys accept have to be vetted. I'm not saying these girls are readily accessible to us, but there are definitely girls catering to a level of wealthy clientele who make it their business to be clean for them, not to give them any STDs. Surely you are aware of this? Porn stars are paid what, a couple of thousand per scene? They get triple checked for a few thousand, so do high level escorts. Just not the ones most people visit when going Thailand, which is fair enough. I have found one site where they specify the girls are clean and checked, how true it is or isn't, who knows.

So that's a no then, you've not been. Sure there are well known Thai actresses or models who whore in BKK undercover, but it would be very unlikely they would be shagging farangs, rich thais don't like sharing them.

[CrimsonD]

take your own condoms and use them.

I had a condom break on me years ago. I took the SP (and myself) for a test. We were both negative for everything. I then tested 3 months post trip and was negative. That was years ago and I have tested numerous times since (all negative). I have been to Thailand several times and never caught anything. Some of the SP's I have been with have told me they get tested about every 6 months, but that could be BS. The girl in question above said there is a free clinic she goes to, but she has to wait hours every time, so does not do it regularly. It was a condom I provided that split so she was not very happy with me.

[DeeDee1234567]

Alright,

Thanks a lot for the advice everyone. Much appreciated

[Swapmeister]

You are given off Mega Naive Vibes  . Yup, do ask the girl how often do you get tested. They are duty bound  to give you an honest answer.  Also,  you think that more experienced punters have tricks not to carch STDs? 

[scutty brown]

You are given off Mega Naive Vibes  . Yup, do ask the girl how often do you get tested. They are duty bound  to give you an honest answer.  Also,  you think that more experienced punters have tricks not to carch STDs? 

Duty bound?????  Honest answer?????
 

[webpunter]

You are given off Mega Naive Vibes  . Yup, do ask the girl how often do you get tested. They are duty bound  to give you an honest answer.  Also,  you think that more experienced punters have tricks not to carch STDs? 

Who is doing the MNV ? 
Its me luv u long time mistah
& the rest is history
 

[drandre]

Giving a slightly different direction to this discussion:
I remember a post from a member in this forum where his LT in Angeles Cities had to leave in a hurry, as she forgot she had an appointment with the "pussy doctor" in the morning.

So working girls in the Philippines undergo regular checks by the health authority, even though -- at least that's my assumption -- economic realities are simular in the Philippines and in Thailand. Can someone comment on this ?

(Never been to Thailand, never been to the Philippines, yes, I am ignorant.)   

[southcoastpunter]

Well two comments to that - the appointment with the “pussy doctor “ could have been about anything - a gynaecological problem etc. And also the actions of one individual person cannot be taken as an indication of what most girls do in a particular country or region!
So the best advice is - do what many guys on this thread have said - protect yourself, use a condom and your own common sense!

[Carpy]

So I can add an experience to this…. On my last visit to Thailand at the back end of last year I ended up staying with a girl for two weeks in total and travelling around with her. Anyway without giving a blow by blow account after a particularly vigorous evening of fun she woke up the next morning with some pain in her pussy area. She was already going to spend a day with her family, something that had been agreed prior with us, so off she went and I spent a day alone. Anyway on her return she said she had also been to a local clinic and got checked out, all was ok and to my surprise she even showed me she had done a routine STD check and was clean. She had previously said she did regular tests but I had just thought it was lip service, and regardless of both I still stuck to using protection.

My experience in Thailand was that most of the girls practised safe sex, at least all of the ones I have been with. Most of them asked about if I had condoms in advance if they were freelancers. Most massage places had them already.

[billybob69]

So I can add an experience to this…. On my last visit to Thailand at the back end of last year I ended up staying with a girl for two weeks in total and travelling around with her. Anyway without giving a blow by blow account after a particularly vigorous evening of fun she woke up the next morning with some pain in her pussy area. She was already going to spend a day with her family, something that had been agreed prior with us, so off she went and I spent a day alone. Anyway on her return she said she had also been to a local clinic and got checked out, all was ok and to my surprise she even showed me she had done a routine STD check and was clean. She had previously said she did regular tests but I had just thought it was lip service, and regardless of both I still stuck to using protection.

My experience in Thailand was that most of the girls practised safe sex, at least all of the ones I have been with. Most of them asked about if I had condoms in advance if they were freelancers. Most massage places had them already.

In my interactions with Freelancers safe sex is often part of the negotiation, where they often give a price and say 'Condom. No Ass'. That is just fine with me as bare-backing isn't my thing.

But did you try and find out what would happen if you were insistent on going bare back? Like if a freelancer gets to your room and you say that you want unprotected sex. Do they then just walk or try to charge an 'bare-back premium'?

I guess it depends on the girl.

[Jerboa]

So I can add an experience to this…. On my last visit to Thailand at the back end of last year I ended up staying with a girl for two weeks in total and travelling around with her. Anyway without giving a blow by blow account after a particularly vigorous evening of fun she woke up the next morning with some pain in her pussy area. She was already going to spend a day with her family, something that had been agreed prior with us, so off she went and I spent a day alone. Anyway on her return she said she had also been to a local clinic and got checked out, all was ok and to my surprise she even showed me she had done a routine STD check and was clean. She had previously said she did regular tests but I had just thought it was lip service, and regardless of both I still stuck to using protection.

My experience in Thailand was that most of the girls practised safe sex, at least all of the ones I have been with. Most of them asked about if I had condoms in advance if they were freelancers. Most massage places had them already.

In Thailand the majority of hookers will do bareback, especially if you take them for a few days or are a regular.

[Carpy]

I have no doubt they will. But as said I don’t go looking for it and hence probably have never been in that position.

[Cambridgy]

I have no doubt they will. But as said I don’t go looking for it and hence probably have never been in that position.

You are fortunate - In my experience 90% of sex workers in Asia expect to go BB - or 90% of the customers expect it may be more accurate.

Always pack way more condoms than you think you'll use.
Don't rely on the WG to have them - if they do, they'll often be 'fun size'

[mistertoad]

So I can add an experience to this…. On my last visit to Thailand at the back end of last year I ended up staying with a girl for two weeks in total and travelling around with her. Anyway without giving a blow by blow account after a particularly vigorous evening of fun she woke up the next morning with some pain in her pussy area. She was already going to spend a day with her family, something that had been agreed prior with us, so off she went and I spent a day alone. Anyway on her return she said she had also been to a local clinic and got checked out, all was ok and to my surprise she even showed me she had done a routine STD check and was clean. She had previously said she did regular tests but I had just thought it was lip service, and regardless of both I still stuck to using protection.

My experience in Thailand was that most of the girls practised safe sex, at least all of the ones I have been with. Most of them asked about if I had condoms in advance if they were freelancers. Most massage places had them already.

No, I think they check the inside as well 

[Carpy]

You are fortunate - In my experience 90% of sex workers in Asia expect to go BB - or 90% of the customers expect it may be more accurate.

Always pack way more condoms than you think you'll use.
Don't rely on the WG to have them - if they do, they'll often be 'fun size'

Agreed on both points…. I bought some over there the first time as I was running low and they were tiny, barley could get one over my thumb