SEXY ANGELINA - Bristol

[Buggys123]

I arranged a half hour meet with Angelina about 2 months ago agreed £120/ hh
On my way to the meet she messaged to say she had to cancel due to a double booking. I gave her the benefit of the doubt and drew a line under it and rearranged for a few days later.
The second attempt fared slightly better. I parked in Central Bristol and made my way to her building for which she had given me instructions including flat number etc. However when I was waiting for her to buzz me in to the building there was no response. Somebody was leaving the building so I managed to get in and make my way to her flat. However after knocking the flat door and waiting for a few minutes there was no response.  I could her someone in the flat talking in a polish accent so she was definitely in. I heard her say something along the lines of I have a client waiting but I am trying to get rid of him which rang alarm bells so I promptly left as I didnt want to pursue a meet that she wasn't keen on. I messaged her to thank her for wasting time again and querying what the issue was.. no response so I arrnaged to see Agness instead who was a great punt. About 4 hours later she messaged to apologise and say she had an emergency.. strange I thought but I was prepared to give her a third chance after which she replied to say I should see someone else instead. Ive spotted on her profile since that she mentions if you are not white english to text her instead.. its all a bit vague. I suspect my mixed heritage may have put her off but an explanation would have been nice. Due to the 2 wasted attempts im afraid its a negative from me.

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[JohnsonSchlong]

It seems to be widely accepted that service providers are permitted to be openly racist

[koshkaj]

Ive spotted on her profile since that she mentions if you are not white english to text her instead.. its all a bit vague.

doesn't make sense to me. if she only wants to see white english, then she can just say so on her profile? she says to text her privately to avoid misunderstandings and time wasting, but it's still of waste of your time if you research her ratings/review and then text her to be told she won't see you because you're not white.

[Monaco]

It seems to be widely accepted that service providers are permitted to be openly racist

That's not racist just her choice.

[JohnsonSchlong]

That's not racist just her choice.

Wow

[LipLover]

Wow

+1

[koshkaj]

If an SP does not see certain ethnicities, so long as she states it is personal choice/preference/previous bad experience it is not considered racist by most of the members here.

just how it is

[southcoastpunter]

Yep - just as many guys say “ I won’t see Romanians”
Personal preference- sometimes based on experience! Sometimes not!
You need to be mindful that providing sexual services is not quite like providing any other type of service!!

[JohnsonSchlong]

If an SP does not see certain ethnicities, so long as she states it is personal choice/preference/previous bad experience it is not considered racist by most of the members here.

just how it is

That's what I said - it's generally accepted. In almost all other walks of life racial profiling is not accepted, obviously for good reason.

[southcoastpunter]

That's what I said - it's generally accepted.

Your follow up post of “wow” made some guys think otherwise!! Like you were questioning whether this should be so!!

[alabama1]

+1

You are both thick if you think it is being racist 

[JohnsonSchlong]

Your follow up post of “wow” made some guys think otherwise!! Like you were questioning whether this should be so!!

I am questioning it and it is racial profiling and it does seem to be accepted

[JohnsonSchlong]

You are both thick if you think it is being racist 

    'Thick'?

[southcoastpunter]

I am questioning it and it is racial profiling and it does seem to be accepted

I assume you agree or at least accept that women should have the right to say who can or cannot fuck them? In your opinion , does this right change because they are being paid?

[whaleears]

Somebody was leaving the building so I managed to get in and make my way to her flat.

That's why she didn't open the door.
Her terms, her safety.

[JohnsonSchlong]

I assume you agree or at least accept that women should have the right to say who can or cannot fuck them? In your opinion , does this right change because they are being paid?

No

[Monaco]

You are both thick if you think it is being racist 

 

[Monaco]

    'Thick'?

That would be my opinion too.

[Monaco]

No

Wow

[daviemac]

It seems to be widely accepted that service providers are permitted to be openly racist

Are you saying an escort should be made to have sex with a man she doesn't want to have sex with?   

Can you name the law that escorts with a no blacks policy are breaking?   

[JohnsonSchlong]

Are you saying an escort should be made to have sex with a man she doesn't want to have sex with?   

Can you name the law that escorts with a no blacks policy are breaking?   

In the UK the Equality Act 2010 prohibits discriminating against people based on protected characteristics like race when providing a service. 
​Obviously the sex industry operates within a legal 'grey area' so this law cannot be enforced.
The observation that I made - and continue to make - is that racial profiling seems to be accepted in the sex industry whereas it's deemed completely unacceptable in the rest of society (in this country anyway)

[anonymouse72]

Appreciate this has developed into a more general conversation on race but OP are you sure she cancelled due to your heritage and how did she know about it? Did you disclose your name perhaps which gave an indication?

[daviemac]

In the UK the Equality Act 2010 prohibits discriminating against people based on protected characteristics like race when providing a service. 
​Obviously the sex industry operates within a legal 'grey area' so this law cannot be enforced.
The observation that I made - and continue to make - is that racial profiling seems to be accepted in the sex industry whereas it's deemed completely unacceptable in the rest of society (in this country anyway)

There is no grey area, prostitution is exempt from the equalities act due to the fact to enforce it would require another law to be broken.

Do you think prostitutes should be made to have sex with punters they don't want to have sex with?   

[hamchang]

There is no grey area, prostitution is exempt from the equalities act due to the fact to enforce it would require another law to be broken.

Do you think prostitutes should be made to have sex with punters they don't want to have sex with?   

Spot on bud - they have an actual legal right of "Right to Refuse". A sex worker has a fundamental right to withdraw consent at any time for any reason. Policing and safety guidelines, such as those from the National Police Chiefs' Council (NPCC), prioritise the safety and agency of the worker over a client's right to access a service.

There are many reasons a lady might chose to not service someone with a protected characteristic. I recall one black girl in Birmingham I used to shoot my much into regularly told me she never accepted black guys for customers because her black BF told her she was not allowed to. All this nonsense calling a girl racist because she chooses who she lets into her cunny is nonsense.

[daviemac]

Spot on bud - they have an actual legal right of "Right to Refuse". A sex worker has a fundamental right to withdraw consent at any time for any reason. Policing and safety guidelines, such as those from the National Police Chiefs' Council (NPCC), prioritise the safety and agency of the worker over a client's right to access a service.

There are many reasons a lady might chose to not service someone with a protected characteristic. I recall one black girl in Birmingham I used to shoot my much into regularly told me she never accepted black guys for customers because her black BF told her she was not allowed to. All this nonsense calling a girl racist because she chooses who she lets into her cunny is nonsense.

Exactly, they can withdraw consent mid booking if they want.

What JohnsonSchlong can't understand is those enforcing the equalities act on a prostitute would be breaking the law by doing so, however more of a concern for us would be any punter would also be breaking the law by going with a prostitute who has been coerced by the equalities act into seeing them.

Is a punter who doesn't want to see an older escort ageist? is a punter who doesn't fancy Asian escorts racist? no, it's called personal choice of a sexual partner and the same goes for escorts.

It would only become racist if there were other comments or actions away from the intimate situation of a sexual encounter.

[JohnsonSchlong]

Exactly, they can withdraw consent mid booking if they want.

What JohnsonSchlong can't understand is those enforcing the equalities act on a prostitute would be breaking the law by doing so, however more of a concern for us would be any punter would also be breaking the law by going with a prostitute who has been coerced by the equalities act into seeing them.

Is a punter who doesn't want to see an older escort ageist? is a punter who doesn't fancy Asian escorts racist? no, it's called personal choice of a sexual partner and the same goes for escorts.

It would only become racist if there were other comments or actions away from the intimate situation of a sexual encounter.

Where have I said that the equalities act should be enforced on a prostitute!? You asked me about the law so I looked it up for you

Most workers have had bad experiences with white men too (who make up the statistical majority of clients in the UK), yet they rarely enact a "no white men" rule. This suggests that the bad behavior of a white man is seen as an individual failure, while the bad behavior of a Black man is seen as a group failure.

the act of applying those experiences to an entire race is, by definition, a racial prejudice. It treats an entire demographic as a monolith rather than judging people as individuals.

I haven't suggested that any of this should be changed, nor have I suggested a way to change it. I simply pointed it out.

[daviemac]

Where have I said that the equalities act should be enforced on a prostitute!? You asked me about the law so I looked it up for you

Most workers have had bad experiences with white men too (who make up the statistical majority of clients in the UK), yet they rarely enact a "no white men" rule. This suggests that the bad behavior of a white man is seen as an individual failure, while the bad behavior of a Black man is seen as a group failure.

the act of applying those experiences to an entire race is, by definition, a racial prejudice. It treats an entire demographic as a monolith rather than judging people as individuals.

I haven't suggested that any of this should be changed, nor have I suggested a way to change it. I simply pointed it out.

You don't seem to understand that you are quoting a law that doesn't apply to sex work or that a sexual preference in it's self is not racism.

For it to be racism there has to some other form of bias unrelated to sexual activity.

There's an old saying that you can't educate pork so I'll leave you with one observation, as you can't accept a woman's free choice of sexual partners, you come across as the sort of punter who thinks because they pay they own the SP so should be able to do what they like during a booking.

[JohnsonSchlong]

You don't seem to understand that you are quoting a law that doesn't apply to sex work or that a sexual preference in it's self is not racism.

For it to be racism there has to some other form of bias unrelated to sexual activity.

There's an old saying that you can't educate pork so I'll leave you with one observation, as you can't accept a woman's free choice of sexual partners, you come across as the sort of punter who thinks because they pay they own the SP so should be able to do what they like during a booking.

I quoted the law because YOU asked me to find one! I have NOT said that I wish to enforce it on any sex worker.

Show me where I've said or even hinted at " because they pay they own the SP so should be able to do what they like during a booking ".

I just pointed out that racial sterotyping and profiling seem to be accepted in this industry! How many times do I have to repeat that!?

[Monaco]

I quoted the law because YOU asked me to find one! I have NOT said that I wish to enforce it on any sex worker.

Show me where I've said or even hinted at " because they pay they own the SP so should be able to do what they like during a booking ".

I just pointed out that racial sterotyping and profiling seem to be accepted in this industry! How many times do I have to repeat that!?

Someone once told me when you are in a hole stop digging you might want to take that advice yourself.

[bristolnick]

So would you go back and try book her again?

[Buggys123]

Appreciate this has developed into a more general conversation on race but OP are you sure she cancelled due to your heritage and how did she know about it? Did you disclose your name perhaps which gave an indication?

I suspect she saw my face when I entered her flat number as there is usually a camera on the intercom. I personally am not offended by girls who refuse to see non white men but I just wish she had been upfront with it and messaged me there and then to say she wouldn't see me rather than texting me 4 hours later about a last minute "emergency". She should also update her profile to make it clear she doesn't see non white men.

[koshkaj]

She should also update her profile to make it clear she doesn't see non white men.

i agree with this too. dunno why SPs would want you to contact them first, just put it on the profile and save everyone's time.

I just pointed out that racial sterotyping and profiling seem to be accepted in this industry! How many times do I have to repeat that!?

i have had my own debate on this not that long ago, so not gonna get drawn into it again, but i do agree with your point of view here.

[JohnsonSchlong]

Someone once told me when you are in a hole stop digging you might want to take that advice yourself.

I'm not in a hole mate - I'm just finding it shocking that all the gammon here are spending so much time trying to persuade me that discriminating against somebody because of their race is not racial discrimination.

[daviemac]

I'm not in a hole mate - I'm just finding it shocking that all the gammon here are spending so much time trying to persuade me that discriminating against somebody because of their race is not racial discrimination.

Be very careful of the words you are using especially when, by using certain words, you are doing exactly what you are accusing other of.

Nobody is trying to persuade you of anything, we are pointing out legal fact, the fact it doesn't suit what you believe is down to you.

We take a strong stance on racism and loads of members have been banned for inappropriate comments.

21 Gender / Race / Nationality
Banter is allowed, but racist or homophobic posting will result in a ban.

[JohnsonSchlong]

Be very careful of the words you are using especially when, by using certain words, you are doing exactly what you are accusing other of.

Nobody is trying to persuade you of anything, we are pointing out legal fact, the fact it doesn't suit what you believe is down to you.

We take a strong stance on racism and loads of members have been banned for inappropriate comments.

21 Gender / Race / Nationality
Banter is allowed, but racist or homophobic posting will result in a ban.

Where have I been racist ? That's the third time in a row you seem to have replied directly to something I haven't said.

[daviemac]

Where have I been racist ? That's the third time in a row you seem to have replied directly to something I haven't said.

I didn't say you were being racist, I said be careful of the words you use as you are doing what you accuse others of.

"I'm just finding it shocking that all the gammon here"

You accuse escorts who want to have a choice of who they see of racial stereotyping and profiling yet here you are stereotyping a specific demographic of older white men.

Do you not see the irony?   

[JohnsonSchlong]

I didn't say you were being racist, I said be careful of the words you use as you are doing what you accuse others of.

"I'm just finding it shocking that all the gammon here"

You accuse escorts who want to have a choice of who they see of racial stereotyping and profiling yet here you are stereotyping a specific demographic of older white men.

Do you not see the irony?   

Oh I only used the pig-themed descriptive because you did. I was just trying to speak your language. See below:

You don't seem to understand that you are quoting a law that doesn't apply to sex work or that a sexual preference in it's self is not racism.

For it to be racism there has to some other form of bias unrelated to sexual activity.

There's an old saying that you can't educate pork so I'll leave you with one observation, as you can't accept a woman's free choice of sexual partners, you come across as the sort of punter who thinks because they pay they own the SP so should be able to do what they like during a booking.

I know that you would never break the rules that you impose on everyone else so once you'd done it I knew it would be OK

[daviemac]

Oh I only used the pig-themed descriptive because you did. I was just trying to speak your language. See below:

You obviously don't understand the terms you use. 

In British political culture, gammon is a pejorative term typically used to describe a specific demographic of older white men who express reactionary or right-wing views, particularly in support of Brexit.[1]

The term was coined in this context in 2017. Visually, it compares the complexion of the subject's face to gammon (a type of cured pork), implying a flushed or pink appearance resulting from anger or raised blood pressure.[2] While cutaneous flushing is a physiological response that occurs in all humans, the insult relies on the specific visibility of this reaction on lighter skin tones, using the meat metaphor as a caricature of the "angry white man" archetype.

[hamchang]

Just realised that one of the protagonists in this calling her a racist fucked her with a glowing report a few days ago.
Anyway back to the girl - how bad are her fillers? Is she still a clean skin or is she now covered in tattoos as is the trend with daft bints?

[daviemac]

Just realised that one of the protagonists in this calling her a racist fucked her with a glowing report a few days ago.
Anyway back to the girl - how bad are her fillers? Is she still a clean skin or is she now covered in tattoos as is the trend with daft bints?

It does seem a bit odd that he would be so adamant she is racist then condone it by not boycotting her. While at the same time stereotyping and posting a derogatory comment about white males.   

[dubs]

In the UK the Equality Act 2010 prohibits discriminating against people based on protected characteristics like race when providing a service. 
​Obviously the sex industry operates within a legal 'grey area' so this law cannot be enforced.
The observation that I made - and continue to make - is that racial profiling seems to be accepted in the sex industry whereas it's deemed completely unacceptable in the rest of society (in this country anyway)

Age is also a protected characteristic yet many girls have upper and lower age ranges that they refuse to see.

Girls should not be forced to see clients who they do not want to see. and if they were it would be a shit booking for both.

In punting, the phrase "her body, her choice" overrides the law.

[hamchang]

Age is also a protected characteristic yet many girls have upper and lower age ranges that they refuse to see.

Girls should not be forced to see clients who they do not want to see. and if they were it would be a shit booking for both.

In punting, the phrase "her body, her choice" overrides the law.

Does that mean that I now have to fuck granny prossies because the law tells me I have to? 

[bristolnick]

Could be a target market for you as they might not have tattoos!

[hamchang]

Could be a target market for you as they might not have tattoos!

All the granny whore are covered in droppy faded tattoos.

[contentguy]

Age is also a protected characteristic yet many girls have upper and lower age ranges that they refuse to see.

Girls should not be forced to see clients who they do not want to see. and if they were it would be a shit booking for both.

In punting, the phrase "her body, her choice" overrides the law.

HBHC is a feminist slogan rather than a legal position.

Doc Holliday contacted the EHRC about discrimination.
Probably bored during lockdown but I remembered the thread.
https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=284083.msg2960961#msg2960961

[anonymouse72]

Interesting discussion but all the while OP cannot confirm if it definitely applies to Angelina.

He only suspects she may have seen him on a camera.
What is without doubt is that he had his time wasted.

[Monaco]

Interesting discussion but all the while OP cannot confirm if it definitely applies to Angelina.

He only suspects she may have seen him on a camera.
What is without doubt is that he had his time wasted.

It clearly states on her profile if you are not white English to message her privately which is a little ambiguous perhaps the OP should have done that.
Regardless he has been pissed around.

[JohnsonSchlong]

Age is also a protected characteristic yet many girls have upper and lower age ranges that they refuse to see.

Girls should not be forced to see clients who they do not want to see. and if they were it would be a shit booking for both.

In punting, the phrase "her body, her choice" overrides the law.

Another one replying to something I never said.

[JohnsonSchlong]

Just realised that one of the protagonists in this calling her a racist fucked her with a glowing report a few days ago.
Anyway back to the girl - how bad are her fillers? Is she still a clean skin or is she now covered in tattoos as is the trend with daft bints?

She wasn't racist to me. This review was written after mine, or at least I saw it after I'd seen her. I had a good time with her, but she is still racially profiling people and discriminating against them based on their race