PuntingWiki

[Ali Katt]

I think most questions on boards which could be answered by the Wiki tend to be about services like OWO, DFK, CIM, etc especially for agencies which don't/can't advertise them.

The problem is one girl might kiss with you, but not with me. She might charge £10 for OWO, if she has a slow month £20. It's not clear cut enough. With indies it would be difficult with Parlour easier, Agencies are sort of in the middle. It might sound sexist, but some women are so flaky they just do what they want depending which cycle they are going through.

[SamLP]

Just had a look at the glossary, good work guys.

VFM could possibly be added.
I was hoping to see if YMMV is there. I came across it but have no idea what it stands for.
Little Head - in reference to thinking with your dick.

[Ali Katt]

Just had a look at the glossary, good work guys.

VFM could possibly be added.
I was hoping to see if YMMV is there. I came across it but have no idea what it stands for.
Little Head - in reference to thinking with your dick.

I've added VFM, even if it is quite well known. If anyone wants little head added I will, but I would have thought it's quite obvious.

[akauya]

Just had a look at the glossary, good work guys.

VFM could possibly be added.
I was hoping to see if YMMV is there. I came across it but have no idea what it stands for.
Little Head - in reference to thinking with your dick.

Did you miss it? I added YMMV (Your Mileage May Vary) ages ago. Just scroll down to the bottom of the page or click on Y on the Contents table.

[Barry Shipton]

The problem is one girl might kiss with you, but not with me. She might charge £10 for OWO, if she has a slow month £20. It's not clear cut enough. With indies it would be difficult with Parlour easier, Agencies are sort of in the middle. It might sound sexist, but some women are so flaky they just do what they want depending which cycle they are going through.

Yes taking account of 'at discretion' is always tricky, I think AW likes cover what most indies offer but many punters get frustrated that agencies seem to have dropped any reference to services so it was more for agency girls where the reviews show they pretty consistently offer the service.

[SamLP]

Did you miss it? I added YMMV (Your Mileage May Vary) ages ago. Just scroll down to the bottom of the page or click on Y on the Contents table.

Thanks akauya, yes I missed seeing it. It makes sense now I know what it means.

[OldAdmin]

I'm testing out 'infoboxes', but not ready for proper usage yet:

External Link/Members Only

It uses templating system so all that was needed to create that infobox was:

Code: External Link/Members Only

{{
Escort|
name=Delphine|
age=21|
height=5'4"|
dress-size=10|
agency=Amour Escorts (Newcastle)|
}}


[OldAdmin]

Also a tip, just add one of these templates into a wiki page:

Code: External Link/Members Only

{{PositiveRating}}
{{NeutralRating}}
{{NegativeRating}}

to get the Positive, Neutral or Negative terms in their own color.

Rather than do this on every page:

Code: External Link/Members Only

<span style="color:red">Negative</span>

Makes life easier.
And in the future all that is needed is to edit the template to make any changes site-wide, rather than editing thousands of pages.

[OldAdmin]

For auto-updating AdultWork profile names, I intend to add a feature so all you do is use this:

Code: External Link/Members Only

{{adultwork-name-12345}}

And it'll automatically include the current profile name for User ID 12345, etc.

Will be done in the next few weeks.

[johnny34]

Great work Admin & everyone else who is contributing to the 'PuntingWiki' 

[akauya]

I'm testing out 'infoboxes', but not ready for proper usage yet:

External Link/Members Only

The info boxes are great. Just tried a couple on one of the Soho flats and they look fine:

External Link/Members Only

I noticed that the table fields are hard coded as the ones I added (days, nationality, etc.) are not showing e.g:

Code: External Link/Members Only

{{
Escort|
name=Elena |
age=20s|
height=5'3"|
dress-size=10|
days=Thursday, Friday|
nationality=Bulgarian|
other-details=fake tits but well done|
}}
Do you think you could add those too?

Thanks
 

[Barry Shipton]

Also a tip, just add one of these templates into a wiki page:

Code: External Link/Members Only

{{PositiveRating}}
{{NeutralRating}}
{{NegativeRating}}


This works great, text could even be bolder to really stand out. And the AW feature will be useful for those who keep changing names.

I'll have a go with the info boxes - I'm lazy at the moment and just cut and paste from the AW panel or agency sites and they all differ slightly. Feel like I want to put a disclaimer on some as you know it's way off but I suppose members realise we are just using the info available.

But Akuaya's right think members might find some extra fields useful - probably:
Bust - Size and fake or natural
Hair - for colour/length
Level of English

AW also has ethnicity which helps guys looking for a black or Asian girl who might be English, but we can probably get round that in the general description or use something like Black British in nationality.

[Jason]

In the PuntingWiki reviews about London agency girls are listed in External Link/Members Only. It’s quite OK I guess but the ideal in my view would be to have three columns: names, thumbnails linking to relevant Wiki escort profile pages and a review counter of positive, neutral and negatives. The linked escort profile wiki page to have basic info, images, links to all agencies and links to all UKP reviews. Problem is that this is too much work to do. Also at the moment uploading pictures on PuntingWiki is disabled (unless I am missing something). Yes there is the tool to embed images BUT images should first be uploaded on the server (*this* is what is disabled). Embedding images from external sources (e.g. imgur) is also disabled (it just shows the link).

Admin is image uploading disabled on purpose (for copyright reasons) or have you just forgotten to set the Boolean variable $wgEnableUploads to true?
External Link/Members Only

In the lists (e.g. the External Link/Members Only) although the numerical AW link is pretty much fixing them (unless of course they delete it in which case we need a manual update) the names in the relevant column will need constant updating each time a prossie changes name. I see that in the forum the names in the (review) profiles are always updated so I presume there is a code/java script that is fetching the nicknames automatically straight from the AW profiles. Admin do you know how we can do the same on the wiki?

For auto-updating AdultWork profile names, I intend to add a feature so all you do is use this:

Code: External Link/Members Only

{{adultwork-name-12345}}

And it'll automatically include the current profile name for User ID 12345, etc.

Will be done in the next few weeks.

Thanks! 

[Barry Shipton]

Good to see Infoseeker on board as one of the puntingwiki contributors - sure you will do your usual very thorough job of cataloging the North West.

[Ali Katt]

I've written two new guides today following some reports of poor punts if I've missed anything feel free to add or PM me. I'm not too sure about the titles. They're effectively in their Beta stages.

Time Wasting Tactics
External Link/Members Only

Prossie Tactics to Make You Cum Faster
External Link/Members Only

[NightKid]

I've written two new guides today following some reports of poor punts if I've missed anything feel free to add or PM me. I'm not too sure about the titles. They're effectively in their Beta stages.

Time Wasting Tactics
External Link/Members Only

Prossie Tactics to Make You Cum Faster
External Link/Members Only

Good job on adding to the wiki, as usual. 

While we're on the subject of punting pitfalls, I was having trouble conveying them to a newbie who was prepared to blow 300 - 400 quid on his first punt just the other night.
Not sure if you'd do requests but, at the time, I could not find a wiki page that summarises the various risks in punting and why such risks exist.

Or did I perhaps miss something that someone could kindly point out? 

[Barry Shipton]

I thought the advice for newbies page covers scams and EAS etc - it also links to relevant threads on here.
External Link/Members Only
Does that cover what you meant? If it's something else fire away and I am sure in of the team can add new stuff in.

[Ali Katt]

Good job on adding to the wiki, as usual. 

While we're on the subject of punting pitfalls, I was having trouble conveying them to a newbie who was prepared to blow 300 - 400 quid on his first punt just the other night.
Not sure if you'd do requests but, at the time, I could not find a wiki page that summarises the various risks in punting and why such risks exist.

Or did I perhaps miss something that someone could kindly point out? 

I'm going to do a page on punting myths and some of the hyperbole prossies say to first timers will be in there, you know the stuff that 2 hours should be the minimum.

[Ali Katt]

Good job on adding to the wiki, as usual. 

While we're on the subject of punting pitfalls, I was having trouble conveying them to a newbie who was prepared to blow 300 - 400 quid on his first punt just the other night.

Done. Ask him to view the top one: External Link/Members Only
This one as well: External Link/Members Only
And the guide Barry mentioned.

[NightKid]

I thought the advice for newbies page covers scams and EAS etc - it also links to relevant threads on here.
External Link/Members Only
Does that cover what you meant? If it's something else fire away and I am sure in of the team can add new stuff in.

Yeah, it covers the 'how' e.g. how scams/EAS happen, perfectly, but not the 'why' e.g. why do scams or EAS occur in the first place. Only bit I can relate to the latter is the section on "Punting is not Dating".
And speaking as someone with some background as a teacher-trainer, I've always found it better to highlight the 'why' first.

Done. Ask him to view the top one: External Link/Members Only

Not precisely what I was looking for, but very close. Cheers!   

[Jason]

I see people keep asking about client notes. External Link/Members Only is a page about what these fucking client notes are (courtesy of a very good outcall-only regular), linked inside the External Link/Members Only

Also for what is worth I did create External Link/Members Only a long time ago (as part of the main External Link/Members Only) where I go through pricing statistics and VFM considerations while comparing Adultwork and agency girls.

[KennyMilkshake]

Thanks for clearing that up Jason, I have heard from one escort that it did not exist, and from another who checked what was said about me, I now know that the first escort is a bull-shitter.

[infoseeker]

Good to see Infoseeker on board as one of the puntingwiki contributors - sure you will do your usual very thorough job of cataloging the North West.

To edit the PuntingWiki you need to be a member.

There are only 133 members registered on there.
When you ignore the SPAM/auto generated accounts made on 17th Dec, 23rd Dec, 26th Dec that leaves 46 accounts and of them about 40 appear to be actual punters and half of them are North West punters since I encouraged them to sign up.

Barry Shipton you are making a sterling effort setting up the North East. 

But I think you should read the book "How to Win Friends and Influence People" or failing that PM me and I'll give you some tricks that are going to go in my own book that I mentioned here.

If not I'll be posting shorly in the North East "stirring things up" amongst those noisy "band of brothers" of yours in my own special way. 

[infoseeker]

Hi Admin

Just some ideas for you to get things going (quicker) on the PuntingWiki


IDEA 1
Autoregister PuntingWiki accounts from UK Punting forum accounts, not sure if you can do legacy accounts but perhaps new accounts, ideally so people are logged in if they click a link from the forum to PuntingWiki.


IDEA 2
When you added the Review Counter on UK Punting profiles that was a genius move. 
Now if you could provide some sort of visible feedback on user accounts here about contribution to PuntingWiki that may have a similar effect.


IDEA 3
Delete the potential SPAM accounts that I mentioned in my post above they are on three dates.


Will let you know if I think of anything else.


Also if people do not register (let alone contribute!) I will Agitate that Apathy / Inertia out of them.... very soon. 

[Barry Shipton]

There are only 133 members registered on there.
When you ignore the SPAM/auto generated accounts made on 17th Dec, 23rd Dec, 26th Dec that leaves 46 accounts and of them about 40 appear to be actual punters and half of them are North West punters since I encouraged them to sign up.

Hi Info - there's only 17 active users plus Admin, and only 8 have contributed more than just registering. I think it's great what so few have achieved so quickly, and I'm sure the North West team will deliver some great content.

Like you I've never edited a Wiki before and it's easy, especially if you're used to formatting or coding for the web - but it will always more of a minority than the full forum as tech is not everyone's forte and some members struggle to paste links from AW.

Personally I could have done a lot more if I wasn't restricted to editing it in a two inch wide phone screen, but then I'm probably not the only one that can't do this on the family or work computer!

Hope you can galvanise a few more members to join in - probably best to look at those regions with no one as then we could quickly get nationwide coverage which would make it far more useful. Hell I could do Northern Ireland myself in afternoon even on a phone - poor lads don't have much choice!

Hope the book is a success - let us know when it's out - in the mean time I'll have to make do with old Dale Carnegie.

[infoseeker]

...and some members struggle to paste links from AW.

I know that is what James999 was encouraging when the "band of brothers" rounded on him. 

[infoseeker]

but it will always more of a minority than the full forum as tech is not everyone's forte

I think a better strategy is to try at least try to make it accessible to everyone.
Online communities work primarily due to a volume.

It is true that there is lots of reliance especially in this early stage on super users like you to create a framework on that basis I created stub page for all the parlours and agencies that I know of in the North West but I tried to keep the layout simple as possible so others can copy and paste without getting dizzy at the code to add to it.


I sent North Westerners a little quick PM with an exercise to edit their profile including the main code used on North West stub pages (bullet point, heading, embedded link), a total newbie to wiki managed to follow it and edit a page that is a 100 times better then me having added it for him.
In my opinon the future is to get the mass of forum contributors registered even if they just add their own links for parlour agency reviews.

Re Dale Carnegie, as a word of advice to you being a "nice" guy is heavily overated, that was one thing I learnt from James999, like him I know how to agitate and incite to achieve specific objectives on here and that is what I was doing (very well) when we last bumped into each other on the forum .... and since then North West has become a busier reviewing region then North East. 

[yorkshire123]

Maybe I've missed some key point or I'm been incredibly stupid but what benefit does this Wiki malarkey have for me and why should I bother signing up 

[OldAdmin]

Maybe I've missed some key point or I'm been incredibly stupid but what benefit does this Wiki malarkey have for me and why should I bother signing up 

If you don't want to help out other punters then yes don't bother to signup and add info 

[infoseeker]

Maybe I've missed some key point or I'm been incredibly stupid but what benefit does this Wiki malarkey have for me and why should I bother signing up 

I can confirm yorkshire123 is one of the more helpful contributors to the North West boards. 
https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=48592.msg640169#msg640169

[Barry Shipton]

.... and since then North West has become a busier reviewing region then North East. 

Which is exactly as it should be - three times the population (7.1 m v 2.5m) and three times the prossies - almost 1,900 versus almost 600 on Adultwork - so you should have three times as many reviews.

And have you been to Middlesbrough? It ain't no Liverpool (Sorry Boro lads but let's be realistic). Genuinely pleased it is working at its potential - it's not a competition as we all benefit, especially those from outside the region who are visiting and need the advice most.

You're right we do need to try to make it simple and encourage more to contribute, but it's like the debate thread on lurkers, the reality is 10/15 per cent will contribute the most while the other 85/90 percent will watch or listen.

But as it grows and people see the benefit I'm sure more will join - and I'll enjoy watching your agitating and maybe chip in now and again!

[yorkshire123]

If you don't want to help out other punters then yes don't bother to signup and add info 

Maybe I didn't explain myself, my issue isn't about helping other punters, what I'm struggling with is what does it do that the UKP forum doesn't?
I'm not that on-line savvy, is it just a way of indexing UKP content or does it hold extra information?

[Barry Shipton]

is it just a way of indexing UKP content or does it hold extra information?

Yes and Yes. It's basically a punting encyclopaedia - so yes it enables you to collect all the reviews together in one place in a logical order and easier to find than the search function.

And yes you can add additional info - because where the forum is great for immediate comment, the wiki is good for storing facts.

Couple of examples - there's a scamming cow in the North East always setting up fake profiles, but the crap reviews and comment threads soon go down the list and out of sight. But in the wiki you can put all that together:
External Link/Members Only

By contrast an excellent escort is Keeva, she's got dozens of good reviews but newbies still ask thing like 'which girls do anal', 'does she do duos' or 'how tall is she' without wading through the reviews it's here on one page - and you can take your time reading the smutty details of every review!
External Link/Members Only

And I should add a lot of the how to and beginners guides have been written by some very experienced members on here just for the wiki for the benefit of newcomers.

[OldAdmin]

what does it do that the UKP forum doesn't?

To make it easier and quicker to find the most important info, not having to trawl and search through hundreds of UKP threads.

For example if you were a London punter and wanted to quickly know your options of punting in Manchester, then PuntingWiki would have all the necessary info, listing the agencies / parlours / independents, etc.

A bit like Wikipedia, say I wanted to know about the Ford Fiesta, I'd rather check Wikipedia rather than search Google get loads of marketing / news / forum pages.

[akauya]

Maybe I didn't explain myself, my issue isn't about helping other punters, what I'm struggling with is what does it do that the UKP forum doesn't?
I'm not that on-line savvy, is it just a way of indexing UKP content or does it hold extra information?

A further example when the wiki is good is the Soho walk ups page. Without it the Soho walk ups are a bloody minefield. You could spend all day trying to find a good prossie and getting nowhere without the help of other punters who can give you valuable info on the good and bad prossies working in Soho.

[infoseeker]

Which is exactly as it should be - three times the population (7.1 m v 2.5m) and three times the prossies - almost 1,900 versus almost 600 on Adultwork - so you should have three times as many reviews.

There were more challenges/obstacles in the way of getting North West reviewing as it needed to be.  I dealt with them "nicely" as I could.
When you are a nice guy things always go your way... nice guys always win.... eventually.

Now try somehow to overcome the challange of getting the noisy "band of brothers" registered on the Punting Wiki.... before I do.

the reality is 10/15 per cent will contribute the most while the other 85/90 percent will watch or listen.

At this point there are not even 10/15 contributors.
Let us work together to increase that...

...and we have a new North West early adopter External Link/Members Only. 

[OldAdmin]

There are dedicated wikis for many subjects, such as this one for networking equipment:
External Link/Members Only

Now I don't have the experience or expert knowledge of routers to edit pages, but that site was extremely useful to me (especially the infobox on the right) when I was looking for a router. I appreciate the time and efforts of the WikiDev contributors.

We are building something similar for punting.

[Barry Shipton]

A further example when the wiki is good is the Soho walk ups page. Without it the Soho walk ups are a bloody minefield. You could spend all day trying to find a good prossie and getting nowhere without the help of other punters who can give you valuable info on the good and bad prossies working in Soho.

I'll second that - I didn't have a clue what a Soho walk up even though I'd seen it mentioned in long London threads. But I read Akauya's comprehensive work because it was the first content on the wiki and now I know which girls are working which flats on set days, links to their reviews and crucial advice on how to book - like not falling for the scammers outside who take cash off unsuspecting newbies. Interesting read even if you still don't have the courage to use one!

[Sedlmayer]

Yes and Yes. It's basically a punting encyclopaedia - so yes it enables you to collect all the reviews together in one place in a logical order and easier to find than the search function.

And yes you can add additional info - because where the forum is great for immediate comment, the wiki is good for storing facts.

Couple of examples - there's a scamming cow in the North East always setting up fake profiles, but the crap reviews and comment threads soon go down the list and out of sight. But in the wiki you can put all that together:
External Link/Members Only

By contrast an excellent escort is Keeva, she's got dozens of good reviews but newbies still ask thing like 'which girls do anal', 'does she do duos' or 'how tall is she' without wading through the reviews it's here on one page - and you can take your time reading the smutty details of every review!
External Link/Members Only

And I should add a lot of the how to and beginners guides have been written by some very experienced members on here just for the wiki for the benefit of newcomers.

That all sounds excellent, but I fear newbies will still continue to ask those questions. It will be easier to direct them to the Wiki, however.
I also think that your feeling that it will always be a minority who contribute (the more tech-savvy ones) will also be true. After all, most members don't even submit reviews, let alone the lurkers 

[Sedlmayer]

If you don't want to help out other punters then yes don't bother to signup and add info 

For clarity, I'm really not techie at all, but will there still be a "Reviews" section on the normal forum where punters can post just as they do at present, which will be correlated on the Wiki?

My own view is that if you review every girl you see, say within a week of seeing her, then you are helping other punters, though I can see how the more tech-savvy guys are building a very good (actually unique) resource.

[Sedlmayer]

Don't know what happened here - I told you I wasn't techie

[infoseeker]

and I'll enjoy watching your agitating and maybe chip in now and again!

You just did. 

Don't forget I wrote the book.


Keep an eye on this page
External Link/Members Only


Our newest member is NightKid not from the North West but I did agitate him a bit just now (perhaps a coincidence.... unlikely though).


I'll be back 

[yorkshire123]

Thanks for the clarification guys, I will sign up & add to it when I feel that my input would add extra value, or when I get back home to civilisation where the internet is isn't at dial up speeds 

[NightKid]

Our newest member is NightKid not from the North West but I did agitate him a bit just now (perhaps a coincidence.... unlikely though).

If only others gave a crap as much as you'd like to believe. 

Anyway, I still think/prefer doing a search on UKP as I feel it's a much more efficient way (and particularly because I'm all too familiar with it). But since Admin has gone on to say:

To make it easier and quicker to find the most important info, not having to trawl and search through hundreds of UKP threads.

Then I'm willing to help if it's needed, as I've promised it before.
Having made my first edit, I realise the link system is similar to/dependent on UKP and thus shares one weakness that I'd like to ask Admin about; how will you solve the issue of reviews list for non-AW girls?

[Ali Katt]

You just did. 

Don't forget I wrote the book.


Keep an eye on this page
External Link/Members Only


Our newest member is NightKid not from the North West but I did agitate him a bit just now (perhaps a coincidence.... unlikely though).


I'll be back 

It's worth noting some members are prossies trying to get free advertising.

[infoseeker]

NightKid, Good Job you finally signed up.  Better to be amongst the early adopters then like the "Johnny come lately" that I was talking about earlier. 

how will you solve the issue of reviews list for non-AW girls?

The way I see it that is the No1 output from the PuntingWiki, easier to find collate reviews for parlour and agency girls.

For example, nenio from the North West is a dab hand he has just created a table for one of our parlours Cosmoplitan.

External Link/Members Only

Great job nenio 

[Third Man]

think I've created account as gazzer97, hope so anyway! done a bit wiki stuff a few years ago but I'm definitely rusty, and not sure how much use  I'll be!

[Barry Shipton]

think I've created account as gazzer97, hope so anyway! done a bit wiki stuff a few years ago but I'm definitely rusty, and not sure how much use  I'll be!

Welcome aboard gazzer97 - good to see one of the North East 'Band of Brothers' join the team. I am sure your experience will be much welcomed

[OldAdmin]

For clarity, I'm really not techie at all, but will there still be a "Reviews" section on the normal forum where punters can post just as they do at present, which will be correlated on the Wiki?

Yes UKP review section stays as is.
Only links added on reviews to relevant PuntingWiki pages.
Similar to the current 'X review(s) found for this service provider'.

[Barry Shipton]

Not sure if this helps keep tabs on members of the Prostitute Blacklist but I have just started the [[Category:Prostitute Blacklist]] and added a North East offended as the first member.

Some of the threads on the list are obviously long and as they often change profiles and names their current identities can get lost, so I set up a page for her
External Link/Members Only
And then linked her and other local scammers from a warning section in the main North East page about those to avoid -
External Link/Members Only

Couldn't help noticing this one - Jodie J - had resurfaced in the North West and no doubt others are active. Wondered if a warning section in each region might be most effective at alerting members and if we tag them all with the Prostitute Blacklist category it's easy to generate an up to date national list of them with their current details.