Author Topic: What Happens When You Move Up-Market? A Punter's Guide for 2025  (Read 5960 times)

Offline Mark.wilmots

As a regular punter in the £300-£400 per hour (ph) price range over the last few years, I've been finding the options on AW severely lacking in terms of SPs that can provide a reliably fun and passionate GFE that doesn't feel extractive. I wanted to see if moving more "up-market" might be a solution, and after spending a small fortune on a few "companions" over the last few months, I was surprised by how different the punting experience became once you loosened the purse strings.

To clarify, my so-called luxury up-market experience may be another man's bargain, so I'll define it for the purpose of this post as any independent provider whose hourly rate calculates to at least £1k ph and requires a minimum 2 hour booking (I would find out that the 1-hour slot is rarely offered and normally reserved for long-term clients). Purely for ease of writing, I'll call the £300-£500 ph range "mid-market," but this isn't meant to be derogatory to anyone who punts or provides services in this range.

I know the topic of paying high-end prices can be controversial on UKP, and I'm only sharing this for anyone who has ever been curious about trying providers in this price range and the things they might want to know before taking the plunge. Therefore, I won't get into the debate of whether this is the best use of one's money. I'm in the fortunate position where I can (and want to) spend this money without thinking too much about it. If that's not your perspective, let's respectfully disagree.

1. You won't find them on AW

This isn't completely true as this is how I stumbled into this world, but the vast majority of high-end providers have decided to completely ignore listing services and build their followings on Twitter and OnlyFans, trusting the algorithm to channel their thirst traps to potential clients and redirecting them to their personal websites. Ironically, many of the high-end providers that do list on AW seem to delete their accounts after a few months. This made it so much harder, having to dig through scores of profiles and websites to find the right provider, and made me very appreciative of AW's 90s-styled filters.

Tryst is the closest website I came across that consistently lists high-end providers across the world, but it's shockingly bad to use as their filters basically group providers on very loose criteria.

What I did find surprising is that if a meet went well, the SPs would often recommend their "friends," and I found this to actually be the best way to expand the network. I much preferred this as warm intros seemed to always result in better meets and, of course, had the added benefit of opening up duos.

2. Bookings are done through your work e-mail

I grew up on AW where you would ring up your prospective provider for a brief awkward chat to see if they were a real person, followed up with texts to organise the finer details of the meet-up. This is thrown out the window in favour of booking forms where you fill in your application, and the lucky candidates get an email back to be informed whether they've successfully won the chance to spend a few glorious hours with their desired date. You do need to make an impression, and often SPs will only entertain a date if it sounds exciting, which brought back that thrilling feeling of "the chase" you lose when paying for providers and the outcome is more preordained.

Discussions never move to text and all the details are ironed out through e-mail, even up to the point of the meet-up. You get brownie points if you can settle all the logistics within a couple of emails. My best guess for this preference of communication is to avoid any Louis CK situation, but it made the experience feel too "professional."

3. They want to know your government name

I'm sadly proud of the number of genuine positive reviews I've received on AW from past providers, and this has normally been my wedge into meeting new SPs. Therefore, I was gutted to find out these reviews were worthless when trying to book up-market. Most providers ask for a LinkedIn profile and the contact details for references from 2 past meet-ups. If you don't have 2 references, prepare to upload an official government ID (you can blur out your address). While these are for understandable safety reasons, I was shocked at how much personal information you need to give up and the amount of trust you need to have in a stranger. While everyone I've met through this has been respectful of my privacy, I did see one case of a provider posting a punter's details on Twitter after it came out he was recording girls without their consent. While the cold serving of street justice seems warranted in this case, this man did have a family, and you do wonder what happens when the cases aren't as black and white, that's a lot of power to give someone.

4. P&D = Pay and Date

Once you've confirmed the availability of your desired companion, your companion-to-be will ask for a small up-front commitment in the form of a 20%-50% deposit via bank transfer or gift card. Given the rates these SPs can demand, the opportunity cost of someone ghosting them is too high, which I completely understand. The T&Cs on these deposits can be quite punitive in the sense that you shouldn't expect to recoup any of the deposit if unforeseen circumstances impact your plans. I had a case where I needed to reschedule (gave 3 days' notice) a meet, and I had a 90-day window to find an alternative date before the deposit would "expire."

If you're used to the lifestyle of waking up horny and finding an SP in the next few hours, don't bother, these usually take a few days to organise with reference checks, deposit confirmation, and finding a time in her jet-setting calendar to squeeze you in.

5. But you get what you pay for

I will say the actual experience is on another level with these SPs, and they really go out of their way to make it worth your money. Providers are in excellent physical shape, well groomed, wear expensive dresses and perfume, strut in high-quality lingerie, and some hold master's/PhD degrees that make for interesting conversations over drinks and dinner that really bring the GFE to life. Before going up-market, I felt the punting experience to be a bit commodified where every SP kind of takes you through the same routine, making minimal effort to avoid puncturing the veneer that it is a pure transaction for someone's time. I often felt I was kind of going through the motions but with a different person.

When playing up-market, I've paid for a RADA-trained actress to perform a few requested roleplays that were BAFTA-worthy, a former reality TV star to act out a few scenes where I was the "love interest," and a sexologist to teach me a few tricks to help up my game. However, the best dates were the ones where you met a companion at a bar and she's wearing a stunning little black dress that turns the heads of everyone in a 2-mile radius, and knowing you're the lucky guy that will be taking her back to the hotel room. All unique experiences that kept me guessing what I was going to experience from date to date, which becomes highly addictive.

The most amusing part I found is that up-market SPs refuse to pay for a single thing and make it a sport of how much they can get the guy to pay out in a single evening. While I don't expect that during the time I've paid for any SP should pay for anything, and I fully expect to do some damage to the credit card, I always find it refreshing when an SP in the mid-market range would surprise me by providing a bottle of champagne or gin for our date so we can share a drink beforehand. One regular I see went as far as to buy me some novelty socks for my birthday, probably cost her less than ten quid, but it's the thought that counts.

6. There is a leaderboard and you're not winning

Most up-market SPs are working hard on their social media game, ensuring there's a steady stream of thirst trap content to keep old and new clients thinking of them. However, there's another side to their content where SPs will make special mentions of clients who have bestowed them with expensive gifts, trips, and dates. It feels like an arms race where every guy is trying to outdo the last guy's gift to get the public recognition on their favourite provider's social media—proverbial pissing in the corner.

It's quite humbling when you take an SP on an expensive date or give an expensive gift only to not find yourself among the honourable social mentions, and it has made me at times a bit resentful that the SP didn't find it noteworthy. Or it has put me off seeking out time with a provider knowing that I cannot compete with some of the dates and gifts she has previously posted. This can take some of the fun out of what was or can be a beautiful experience, letting insecurities poison what should be an emotionally easygoing experience of paying for someone's time. But you do come to the realisation that when hiring an up-market SP, you're competing for their time against CEOs, professional athletes, etc., and in that context, your time will always feel like a filler in their calendar.

Conclusion

Overall, I would say despite the extra work and money that goes into hiring an up-market companion, it's definitely worth it for the experience, but would give it a "neutral" in UKP fashion. This is only because I think to really enjoy the experience you need to be in the six-figure club to get the most out of it. While not sustainable on a long-term basis, I do think I'll be treating myself on a special occasion now and then, but for now I'll be going back to my mid-market companions…if they'll have me back.

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You are a very lucky man, to be able to move up-market  :thumbsup:

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You make it very black and white.  To pay more and get an up-market experience, you are teaching us that we need to also give up more privacy and piss about as if it were a date.  Money aside, this is of even less interest than I thought. 

Offline Mark.wilmots

You make it very black and white.  To pay more and get an up-market experience, you are teaching us that we need to also give up more privacy and piss about as if it were a date.  Money aside, this is of even less interest than I thought.

That's fair and not for everyone. But found that it was non-negotiable.

Offline jamiekinkxxx

OP, I think you sum up how the the higher-end v 'your' definition of mid-range works.  :thumbsup:

I agree with 90-95% of it from my own experiences over the years (less so nowadays as I am much more deep kink focussed, although many ProDommes now follow much of what you write about).

Thanks for the post!

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I agree re Twitter and Tryst being a good source. 22Burlington is also good, but it's search criteria/results is even worse than Tryst

Offline Devon450

Thank op, so the most I've spent is £200 for an hr, and spent as little as £90 for an hr. Since punting close to 200 meets so have valid thoughts behind this.
I've not seen much correlation in regards to the more you pay the better service you get,(my experience) I punt with in my budget which allows me to punt most weeks.
If money wasn't an object I'd like to try an up market meet, but fear I would go into the meet with too higher expectations that it was going to to be some kind of completely different event given the extra cost.
« Last Edit: October 21, 2025, 07:12:12 pm by Devon450 »

Offline Poet

Interesting post and thank you for taking the time to analyse and share this end of the market.

So are these girls you speak of purely independent and work off their own socials?

There are plenty of agencies housing girls at the £1000ph mark so just wanted to understand what the difference is compared to these girls in terms of business model / platform. Cheers.

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Offline lewisjones23

Wait until you find out about what some of these Instagram ' models ' are charging in Dubai.

They are pretty much under the radar so you need very deep pockets and the right connections to secure a booking

Bar a very small fraction, every outstanding looking girl based in Dubai, with no visible means of supporting herself, is available for a price

Offline Fookmefooku

Thanks for the insight here. Pretty interesting read

I suppose my issue with going that upmarket is, judging by your post, is the fact that I punt because I'm horny. I'm a simple man, with simple needs. I don't want to give up my privacy or spend near enough another punts worth on the "date" side of the meet. But different strokes for different folks.

Offline Dogfather

It's interesting that it isn't like going First Class on a plane when paying more for the privilege gives you something you cannot get.
Still the same size and shape in whatever price bracket.

I felt it was more like dating. Or aimed at people who wanted the perception of such a thing?


Offline tynetunnel

That was a really interesting read, from a whole new perspective, thanks for sharing. I’m not and will certainly never be in the high end category so will never get to experience stuff like this, but I enjoyed learning about something new

I half expected Jim Bowen to appear near the end of the post to remind me that ‘here’s what you could have won!’ 😊

Offline Thephoenix

Thanks for an interesting read op.
We truly have a complete cross section of members, their expectations and experiences.  :hi:

I'll read to Fag Ash Lil when I see her next at Birkenhead docks.

Offline SP79

Great read and insight, thanks for sharing. Not sure Id ever feel comfortable paying that kinda fee or giving over that sort of information!

Offline Mstar86

Wait until you find out about what some of these Instagram ' models ' are charging in Dubai.

They are pretty much under the radar so you need very deep pockets and the right connections to secure a booking

Bar a very small fraction, every outstanding looking girl based in Dubai, with no visible means of supporting herself, is available for a price

I’m glad you’ve clarified what you mean by up market as this is above most agencies.

Have you ever had to sign an NDA with any under the radar girls?


Offline jamiekinkxxx

I’m glad you’ve clarified what you mean by up market as this is above most agencies.

Have you ever had to sign an NDA with any under the radar girls?

I didn't read that the OP was talking about UTR girls, who are cannot even be considered 'up-market' by the OP definition, they would be even higher up.

I read the definition by the OP as the next step up from his mid-range Indy's who charge the his mid-range definition rates. There are obviously many levels above and below. 

Offline jamiekinkxxx

Interesting post and thank you for taking the time to analyse and share this end of the market.

So are these girls you speak of purely independent and work off their own socials?

There are plenty of agencies housing girls at the £1000ph mark so just wanted to understand what the difference is compared to these girls in terms of business model / platform. Cheers.

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Agree that you can get agency girls at the £1kph rate but the girls themselves will be losing anything from 30-40% in commission that means that fall into or close to his mid-range definition. I believe he is wholly talking about girls that 'make' £1kph so yes I believe he is talking about the Indy market.

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Offline Mstar86

I didn't read that the OP was talking about UTR girls, who are cannot even be considered 'up-market' by the OP definition, they would be even higher up.

I read the definition by the OP as the next step up from his mid-range Indy's who charge the his mid-range definition rates. There are obviously many levels above and below.

He replies after Poet said about agencies with girls at £1k and says wait until you see what these girls charge in Dubai plus OP was already punting girls at £750 on AW so I took it to mean these are girls not available on AW and agencies….

I guess I’m confused as he’s saying the girls he’s talking about only advertise on Twitter / their own websites and the screening process is direct through email. This doesn’t sound like a £750-£1k agency girl to me.

Would love OP to clarify if possible and what sort of rates are we talking?

Edit* just read your other reply and see what you mean about girls making £1k+ after fees.
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Offline Mark.wilmots

Yes, to the best of my knowledge these girls didn't work through agencies (cross referenced to check) and given they manage all the admin and money was bank transferred to their accounts (Some ladies were sloppy on this an revealed their real names during this process  :D)

I agree if these were agencies girls, their actual take-home money would put them in the mid-market range.

Also the £1k ph mark is more a standardised number where most of these SPs charged £3k for a minimum of 3 hours and some £2k for a 2 hours, so for ease I just adjust to £1k ph but in reality you're looking to pay £2k-£3k per meet.

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Good post, and am interesting read.
Everything is about perspective, and affordability.

I currently have an arrangement with a mid 20's air hostess, slim, extremely attractive, and charges me £250 per overnight.
YMMV.

Offline paul_2407

Great post fella, and consistent with my (limited) experiences.

Offline Mstar86

Yes, to the best of my knowledge these girls didn't work through agencies (cross referenced to check) and given they manage all the admin and money was bank transferred to their accounts (Some ladies were sloppy on this an revealed their real names during this process  :D)

I agree if these were agencies girls, their actual take-home money would put them in the mid-market range.

Also the £1k ph mark is more a standardised number where most of these SPs charged £3k for a minimum of 3 hours and some £2k for a 2 hours, so for ease I just adjust to £1k ph but in reality you're looking to pay £2k-£3k per meet.

Thank you so much for clarifying as will help others to see these are not the same girls on agencies or even seeking and are asking big bucks.

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Thanks @Mark.wilmots for sharing

What this is about at this point and above in the market, isn't really about sexual services, it is more a niche catering for men who want to "swing their dicks" to other men.

Relying upon men's egotistical needs, is how the girls operating in this sector are able to run their services. They're grifters, who may or may not get something long term out of one of their charges. It has much less to do with sexual services per se.

Of particular note are these two comments, that clearly shows the OP has fallen for the grifters game. Seeking validation is his priority, not sexual services.

it has made me at times a bit resentful that the SP didn't find it noteworthy.

Or it has put me off seeking out time with a provider knowing that I cannot compete with some of the dates and gifts she has previously posted.


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My first hand knowledge

Around 2008 I had a business partner who got himself "involved" in this niche.

I've no idea how he originally found this girl, but he started communicating with her on text and she was sending him provocative pictures of herself. He met her for a drink in the Andaz Hotel during the day. He thought this meeting was going to turn in to them having sex at the hotel, but it didn't at that time. She had now whetted his appetite and strung him along over a period of weeks, requesting gifts and payment for various things such as beauty treatments, clothes, etc etc. running in to several thousand ££. Apparently, all to make herself "look great, for his pleasure".

Although he got a bit cuntstruck, he's not a complete idiot. He set up a lunchtime hotel booking and made it clear what was going to happen. I don't know how much he paid her for that meeting.

As things progressed he knew he wasn't her only suitor, she made that clear. There were others who were buying her extravagant gifts and making large payments; she would share that information with him. This clearly irritated his ego, so he went down the rabbit hole of spending more and more on her, with very little in return, just the occasional meet up. He shared this with me as a way of showing me how he was the bigger player compared to these other guys chasing her. He was in a relationship and had two kids, and neither of us saw anything further in it with the grifter, but he still persisted and wanted to prove a point to her, re his status.

It became apparent that it wasn't about the girl, it was about him not having his ego dented by another man who could outspend him. I liken the whole thing to an addiction, not unlike gambling. There's a certain thrill of seeing what recognition your money is getting you and you keep going in the hope that you've spent enough to eventually win.

I understand that girls refer to such men as "pay pigs". He's a clever guy and until I realised what was going on in his head (ego) I just couldn't fathom why he would waste money on some grifter.

He moved on to another girl and the cycle repeated. He eventually realised that it was his own ego getting the better of him and stopped.

LinkedIn / Social Media

Bear in mind this was around 2008 / 2009 - so the whole use of social media as a tool for these girls to find leverage over their "pay pigs" was limited. Today we have LinkedIn where it's relatively easy to see someone's business status (= wealth status) and therefore how much can be extracted from a target. Knowing who someone is "publicly" also gives these grifters great potential leverage, although difficult to use as it would harm their own career, but the threat looms.


To support what I believe is really happening, I've clipped below some of the phrases used in the original post.

the lucky candidates

You get brownie points

Most providers ask for a LinkedIn profile

references

upload an official government ID

that's a lot of power to give someone

reference checks, deposit confirmation, and finding a time in her jet-setting calendar to squeeze you in.

becomes highly addictive

up-market SPs refuse to pay for a single thing and make it a sport of how much they can get the guy to pay out in a single evening

SPs will make special mentions of clients

It feels like an arms race where every guy is trying to outdo the last guy's gift to get the public recognition

competing for their time against CEOs, professional athletes, etc.

the extra work and money that goes into hiring an up-market companion

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Whilst the experience may well be as the Op says  "they really go out of their way to make it worth your money. Providers are in excellent physical shape, well groomed, wear expensive dresses and perfume, strut in high-quality lingerie, and some hold master's/PhD degrees that make for interesting conversations over drinks and dinner that really bring the GFE to life. "

This is a however a perfectly understandable and logical response, to justify spending the level of money that he has and for the amount of hoops he has had to jump through.

Whether it is a lot or a little in his own financial context is not relevant, there are plenty of providers who offer this service (and reviewed on here) for significantly less money and with no hoops to jump through, nor requiring your true identity and status to be revealed.

The final comment that I find the most sad is this one;

I'll be going back to my mid-market companions…if they'll have me back.

Whilst you may be saying this tongue in cheek, you seem to have forgotten who the customer is.

You are paying, you decide where to spend your money, or not.

Time to stop this sycophantic behaviour.

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Thanks PilotMan.
The OP was interesting......yours even more interesting.  :hi:
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Thanks PilotMan.
The OP was interesting......yours even more interesting.  :hi:

 :hi:

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I agree with PilotMan, also when we start comparing with others - money, status, how we look, where we are in life we are truly fucked  :scare:
Remember there will always be someone better, more rich, better looking...etc, this doesn't mean we are not doing well.

Offline Mark.wilmots

Thanks PilotMan for the psychoanalysis and sorry to hear this post made you sad! I don’t think at any point I’m trying to justify the amount of money I spent as I have clearly stated this was a “neutral”  experience that I’m not in a rush to repeat and very happy to return to punting in the mid-range. I think I have been very clear on the drawbacks and have barely glamourised anything about it. Me saying that I’m more attracted to women in the higher range is just a personal preference.

Yes, while you may think i’m trying to swing my dick. What I’m paying for is more than just sex as I enjoy the other things about dating and therefore willing to pay a premium to have someone who can hold an intellectually stimulating conversation and looks good wearing heels. I’m not sure what the big deal is about wanting these extras?

If I may return the favour to psychoanalysis your comments. You see this often with people who have punted for a long time that they disassociate that the SP is another human being and get entitled that because you’re paying for someone’s time that you can treat them as a commodity. Even if I’m the customer, I never take it for granted the way I treat someone will dictate how they treat me back.

Time to stop this objectification

Offline allroadboy

I think the OP and PilotMan make a lot of interesting and valid points, some of which I can relate to.

About 15 years ago I was meant to be going to a party (related to punting) with a high end and popular SP. as my date The party got postponed and about a month later I saw the new time/date and rang her to be told that yes she was going but someone else had beaten me to the invitation. I knew she saw loads of different guys, she talked openly about them, and whilst most could vastly outspend me, I was still devastated by what I saw as the rejection....

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You are paying, you decide where to spend your money, or not.

Time to stop this sycophantic behaviour.

Standing ovation, mate!

There was a documentary on channel 4, might have been 10+ years now. It was before the whole Insta / OF craze, but it was about these women who would string men along and get them to buy them expensive gifts-- but here was the thing, the men never got sex, only the promise of sex. Channel 4 gave them a special name, I can't remember what it was. At the time, everyone shamed these women, but they were the old version of OF.

There are plenty of £4-500/hour escorts reviewed here, I think someone did a long post last Christmas? I'm pretty sure you can shag porn star types without having to upload your passport and bank statement


Offline jamiekinkxxx

It is funny how of the few people that seem to take any offence with the OP's post would seem to not (by their reviews anyhow) go anywhere near even the mid-price point as described by the OP.

Leave the OP at peace. It was/is an interesting post, shows our hobby through a different lens and should be welcomed not derided as cock swinging.

From my own experiences, as I have stated, what he says is pretty much on par with my own experiences at this level. If you don't like it, don't agree with it, that is cool, but it is the OPs money that he can chose to spend how he likes and can post about how he feels here as a member of the site.

Just like this guy who spent circa £12k ( 90 minutes @ £5500 fee; Flights @ £3500'ish; Hotel @ £1500'ish; Other costs @ £1500'ish) to see his favourite porn star for 90mins.

https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=441613.0

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Thanks PilotMan for the psychoanalysis and sorry to hear this post made you sad! I don’t think at any point I’m trying to justify the amount of money I spent as I have clearly stated this was a “neutral”  experience that I’m not in a rush to repeat and very happy to return to punting in the mid-range. I think I have been very clear on the drawbacks and have barely glamourised anything about it. Me saying that I’m more attracted to women in the higher range is just a personal preference.

Yes, while you may think i’m trying to swing my dick. What I’m paying for is more than just sex as I enjoy the other things about dating and therefore willing to pay a premium to have someone who can hold an intellectually stimulating conversation and looks good wearing heels. I’m not sure what the big deal is about wanting these extras?

If I may return the favour to psychoanalysis your comments. You see this often with people who have punted for a long time that they disassociate that the SP is another human being and get entitled that because you’re paying for someone’s time that you can treat them as a commodity. Even if I’m the customer, I never take it for granted the way I treat someone will dictate how they treat me back.

Time to stop this objectification

Time to stop this objectification

There's no objectification, this seems like a riposte to my post, rather than a genuine psychoanalysis.

I do not treat SP’s as a commodity, nor do I condone that behaviour. It's nowhere to be found in what I have said, nor will you find anything of that nature in my reviews, if that's what you're implying.

By way of an analogy, I pay my Accountant, I pay my Lawyers, I pay my Architect, I pay other professionals. I know that I'm the customer, I'm the one paying, but I treat them with respect. If the price of doing business with any of these professionals was that I had to jump through unnecessary hoops and then somehow be grateful for them letting me be a customer, everyone would think I'm a lunatic for doing so.

I’m not sure what the big deal is about wanting these extras?

At no point did I infer it was a big deal for you wanting these "extras".

At the end of the day, it’s your money and you spend it how you want; I’m not judging that.

What I am pointing out is that the service you are longing for is to have your ego fulfilled, and that is the factor overriding receiving sexual services, or the experience of being with “someone who can hold an intellectually stimulating conversation and looks good wearing heels,” or the attraction to a woman in a higher price range.

You made this clear when you said that not being given the recognition you felt you deserved was the overarching reason for you not wanting to see that SP again. It was therefore apparent that it wasn’t primarily about the service you received or the experience of being with said woman.

Your ego was clearly dented, and overrode any other part of the experience, becoming the prime motivator for not wanting to see the girl again.

I was sad because it appears that you somehow feel that you may not worthy of your mid range SP's, clearly not confident in yourself after having your ego dented by the high class SP's you've been seeing and paying for.

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Leave the OP at peace.

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he can chose to spend how he likes and can post about how he feels here as a member of the site.



That's a contradiction.

You're not the arbiter of who can post. I can post how I feel too.

I agree, it is a very interesting subject, so why try to shut it down.






« Last Edit: October 22, 2025, 10:01:13 pm by PilotMan »

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I agree with PilotMan, also when we start comparing with others - money, status, how we look, where we are in life we are truly fucked  :scare:
Remember there will always be someone better, more rich, better looking...etc, this doesn't mean we are not doing well.
And I seem to remember the saying, if you see a stunning unattainable woman walk into a room, just remind yourself that someone somewhere got bored of her.

Offline Mstar86

Time to stop this objectification

There's no objectification, this seems like a riposte to my post, rather than a genuine psychoanalysis.

I do not treat SP’s as a commodity, nor do I condone that behaviour. It's nowhere to be found in what I have said, nor will you find anything of that nature in my reviews, if that's what you're implying.

By way of an analogy, I pay my Accountant, I pay my Lawyers, I pay my Architect, I pay other professionals. I know that I'm the customer, I'm the one paying, but I treat them with respect. If the price of doing business with any of these professionals was that I had to jump through unnecessary hoops and then somehow be grateful for them letting me be a customer, everyone would think I'm a lunatic for doing so.

I’m not sure what the big deal is about wanting these extras?

At no point did I infer it was a big deal for you wanting these "extras".

At the end of the day, it’s your money and you spend it how you want; I’m not judging that.

What I am pointing out is that the service you are longing for is to have your ego fulfilled, and that is the factor overriding receiving sexual services, or the experience of being with “someone who can hold an intellectually stimulating conversation and looks good wearing heels,” or the attraction to a woman in a higher price range.

You made this clear when you said that not being given the recognition you felt you deserved was the overarching reason for you not wanting to see that SP again. It was therefore apparent that it wasn’t primarily about the service you received or the experience of being with said woman.

Your ego was clearly dented, and overrode any other part of the experience, becoming the prime motivator for not wanting to see the girl again.

I was sad because it appears that you somehow feel that you may not worthy of your mid range SP's, clearly not confident in yourself after having your ego dented by the high class SP's you've been seeing and paying for.

I actually didn’t see your original reply as an attack, more just another perspective of the inner / deeper workings.

I then looked at myself and could see how I could easily fall into this but not that it’s bad, but just to be aware.

If you want to and can afford to outspend others and makes you feel good then who are we to judge, but just know what you’re doing and why. Being introspective as it were.

I don’t think OP was doing some of what was mentioned and maybe that’s why he took it the wrong way but ultimately it’s a great thread and better than the usual BB chat crap!!

Offline MLawro93

I actually didn’t see your original reply as an attack, more just another perspective of the inner / deeper workings.

I then looked at myself and could see how I could easily fall into this but not that it’s bad, but just to be aware.

If you want to and can afford to outspend others and makes you feel good then who are we to judge, but just know what you’re doing and why. Being introspective as it were.

I don’t think OP was doing some of what was mentioned and maybe that’s why he took it the wrong way but ultimately it’s a great thread and better than the usual BB chat crap!!

Amen.

Online simon07

Thanks for providing an interesting insight to a different subsection of the prostitution marketplace. They are no doubt dream women and they live in a private social bubble. Hopefully they will make their money whilst they good looks last. There is the opportunity costs of missing out on true romantic partners, a life, family and pensions. I wonder if they could actually value men in a honest way? Would i want this world? Once the genie is out, it’s hard to cork the bottle.

The answer is no. I am a private man and i would hate to offer my personal data. Also i do not do bank transfers. Maybe as a rich young man, it would be an interesting fantasy? Yet it spoil me and i could end up filtering out a genuine good life partner?

As an older man with prostate issues, i can barely make it past 30-45 minutes. Although adult works is less appealing for choice these days, i have had my fill of hot women and i am content. I still get the odd chance to be in the ‘here and now’ with a hot punting moment and seize her butt etc. I pay what i pay and the moments are of course brief.

A great post  :drinks:
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Offline hebefest

Thanks OP for an interesting insight.
I don’t think I would ever be tempted to breath such rarified air - not least due the privacy concerns that you mention, but the I definitely appreciate your sharing.
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Offline pbrown355

Very interesting and thanks OP for the post.
It would not be my world even if I was in a position to parttake. The entitled behaviour described for the WGs involved would be a massive turn off for me. The lack of privacy and the whole process before seeing the WG would tax my patience. But we are all different.
Despite these comments, it sounds like you had an interesting time, which is the most important bit.

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Sounds like way too much faff for me.

Offline Mstar86

Really appreciate OP’s contributions to UKP so far and so I reached out to talk more about this. I looked up some of these high end girls on Twitter as suggested by OP. Amongst others, I noticed this girl:

Victoria Bacall
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Unsure if OP has seen her but she fits the bill; Extremely hot and extremely expensive and she operates mainly using X (Twitter) to advertise.

Her Rates:
Entree - £800
Brunch - £1400
Dinner Date - £1650
Something Sweet - £2500
Unforgettable - £8000


Fast forward to today in the Seeking London thread, she has popped up and the punter paid A LOT less than her advertised rates and had dinner AND 1hr hour outcall….


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Really hot and met for dinner + 1hr at my hotel for £500. She was good company and great in bed, but clearly extremely expsensive. I found out after she has high-end dom & escort profile Victoria Bacall & Goddess Kallen. Not sure I’ll repeat as will be clearly very expensive, but lovely girl, really hot, great attitude

Problem with all these different levels, is they will often dip down to a level or so bellow for the money, whether it’s on Seeking or Instagram or AW / direct and avoiding an agency.

This would annoy me highly, to know others are paying less whilst I pay through the nose.

I wonder if all of these high end girls will adjust their rates depending on the offer & line of communication?

Offline Thephoenix

Really appreciate OP’s contributions to UKP so far and so I reached out to talk more about this. I looked up some of these high end girls on Twitter as suggested by OP. Amongst others, I noticed this girl:

Victoria Bacall
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Unsure if OP has seen her but she fits the bill; Extremely hot and extremely expensive and she operates mainly using X (Twitter) to advertise.

Her Rates:
Entree - £800
Brunch - £1400
Dinner Date - £1650
Something Sweet - £2500
Unforgettable - £8000


Does she do gluten free?

I'd have to pass on the unforgettable as I've already forgotten what I've come on here for.

Offline BrixtonBrewers


Problem with all these different levels, is they will often dip down to a level or so bellow for the money, whether it’s on Seeking or Instagram or AW / direct and avoiding an agency.

This would annoy me highly, to know others are paying less whilst I pay through the nose.

I wonder if all of these high end girls will adjust their rates depending on the offer & line of communication?

Yep there are a lot of girls on AW/Tryst who are available at £200 less per hour than on their personal websites and enquiries through X. I've heard that service can differ though too but I've always made sure I've enquired through the channels with the lower rate.

Offline Easygoingdude

Yep there are a lot of girls on AW/Tryst who are available at £200 less per hour than on their personal websites and enquiries through X. I've heard that service can differ though too but I've always made sure I've enquired through the channels with the lower rate.

Completely agree and to be honest make perfect sense to advertise across a few different channels especially with the extra money that they can earn on Tryst or 22Burlington.

I have seen a lady in the past for a no more than £200 a hour rate and she diid mention the number of bookings that she gets via Tryst that are 2 - 3 times more than the price she sets on AW.

Can't blame them really!

Offline BrixtonBrewers

Completely agree and to be honest make perfect sense to advertise across a few different channels especially with the extra money that they can earn on Tryst or 22Burlington.

I have seen a lady in the past for a no more than £200 a hour rate and she diid mention the number of bookings that she gets via Tryst that are 2 - 3 times more than the price she sets on AW.

Can't blame them really!

I've always wondered just how much more/less the frequency of bookings are dependent on the different rates and where it's advertised. Presumably significantly higher on AW otherwise they wouldn't bother with it.

Online Garyhart

Wait until you find out about what some of these Instagram ' models ' are charging in Dubai.

They are pretty much under the radar so you need very deep pockets and the right connections to secure a booking

Bar a very small fraction, every outstanding looking girl based in Dubai, with no visible means of supporting herself, is available for a price

Yeah, 0 chance of finding them online too. You need to know their ‘plug’ on a personal level for the convo to even occur.  Outside of the insta models, a lot of the women escorting in Dubai are pretty known and have been on big reality tv shows, singers of the past etc, hence the lack of online publicity about their secret life. Ie think of the sancho situation a few weeks ago, only people with extremely deep pockets or celebs would have access to her plug who’d arrange a meeting with you and Saweetie.

I’d prefer meeting the celebs via their friend. (if I was willing to part with months of my mortgage payments) over sending across my ID to a random SP but the OP’s post was a nice read

Offline standardpostage

plug = someone who is a resource for obtaining something valuable that would otherwise be difficult to obtain  :)

Had to google it  :)

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plug = someone who is a resource for obtaining something valuable that would otherwise be difficult to obtain  :)

Had to google it  :)

 :lol: :lol: :lol: I’ll explain slang terms in future posts. Now I think about it, a good portion of the user base probably didn’t know what I meant by saying plug

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plug = someone who is a resource for obtaining something valuable that would otherwise be difficult to obtain  :)

Had to google it  :)

Plug - the "Family Office" version of the Pimp  :D

Offline salazar

Very interesting post. I follow several on X but never really found the need for meeting them. There was the Camille St. Claire post doing a foursome (it's somewhere on here) which did arouse my curiosity.

Offline Thephoenix

plug = someone who is a resource for obtaining something valuable that would otherwise be difficult to obtain  :)

Had to google it  :)
We must use different search engines. :unknown:


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