Advice required re reviewing masseuse.

[Nightingale]

Hello all,
Had a smashing massage and HE recently but unusually can’t see how I can review without either giving no useful info to the collective here gathered or outing someone due to details I will hold back for now. And my question might well frustrate as obviously I’m trying not to give too much away here.
I will say that the person was most definitely not the usual nationality or race in similar establishments so any review will have her stand out like a sore thumb. Perhaps I’m overthinking.
This massage was well outside my normal punting zone so maybe it’s not so unusual a thing.
Any suggestions will be gratefully received.

[Mr Garmin]

Well it's too late now, whoever you review and however you describe the meeting we're going to assume that this is the one you're talking about

[Nightingale]

Well it's too late now, whoever you review and however you describe the meeting we're going to assume that this is the one you're talking about

It’s not you guys I’m concerned about knowing. It’s her employers.

[Pete556]

So why have you posted this?? If you don't wish to cause anyone any harm then why mention this at all?
Just don't review. You will now have sparked our interest in who on earth you may be talking about .... but of course you don't wish to say!!!

[Nightingale]

So why have you posted this?? If you don't wish to cause anyone any harm then why mention this at all?
Just don't review. You will now have sparked our interest in who on earth you may be talking about .... but of course you don't wish to say!!!

I posted this because I wanted some advice on how I could usefully contribute in circumstances I found unfamiliar. I haven’t said anything like ‘I don’t wish to say’. Someone less obtuse than you might actually have a format or tips I could utilise. Unfortunately I cannot reach them without you chirping. But you know what, fuck it. And I won’t make the mistake of asking for suggestions on here again.

[Munter84]

Reviews in the Massage section used to be only viewable by members, which helped reduce exactly this risk of exposing an under-the-table provider.

Now that the section is public, you will just have to use your own judgement whether to review or not. On the one hand, the site's ethos is to share reviews. It may even send some welcome business her way. Conversely, she could get fired.

[alabama1]

I think you should've put more thought into your review OP , before you put pen to paper. It reads as a right mess to be honest. 

[Pete556]

I posted this because I wanted some advice on how I could usefully contribute in circumstances I found unfamiliar. I haven’t said anything like ‘I don’t wish to say’. Someone less obtuse than you might actually have a format or tips I could utilise. Unfortunately I cannot reach them without you chirping. But you know what, fuck it. And I won’t make the mistake of asking for suggestions on here again.

Coming on here saying you have had a great time with someone but can't say who it is isn't very helpful is it.

This is a review site so others can benefit from your experience.  The basic requirement of any review is that you name the establishment and the girl in question. Otherwise it is of little value to anyone. You can write the content of the review in such a way so as not to identify yourself to the establishment/girl in question.

If you don't wish to name the venue or the girl, then (as I said) just don't review.

[daviemac]

Hello all,
Had a smashing massage and HE recently but unusually can’t see how I can review without either giving no useful info to the collective here gathered or outing someone due to details I will hold back for now. And my question might well frustrate as obviously I’m trying not to give too much away here.
I will say that the person was most definitely not the usual nationality or race in similar establishments so any review will have her stand out like a sore thumb. Perhaps I’m overthinking.
This massage was well outside my normal punting zone so maybe it’s not so unusual a thing.
Any suggestions will be gratefully received.

All too late now as you've given enough away for the place to be recognised by the owners if they read the forum, but, due to the YMMV nature of massage establishments, you could have just reviewed the advertised services, the quality of the massage is useful information.

[daviemac]

Coming on here saying you have had a great time with someone but can't say who it is isn't very helpful is it.

How helpful would it be if the owners of the establishment sacked the masseuse because of what they read on here. 

[Upsndowns79]

Reviews in the Massage section used to be only viewable by members, which helped reduce exactly this risk of exposing an under-the-table provider.

Now that the section is public, you will just have to use your own judgement whether to review or not. On the one hand, the site's ethos is to share reviews. It may even send some welcome business her way. Conversely, she could get fired.

How long has the massage section been open to none members I hadn’t realised?

I was going to suggest that other than members sharing info or SP’s been members than the info shared here should be safe but it shows that this information is no longer true.

My other recommendations would be to delay the review by a number of days/weeks. Give high level details of the services received and looks of the girl without information that would identify you. Even alter irrelevant information like the time of day or weather, temperature details of conversation to stop prying eyes from putting 2+2 together.

If the SP has given you services it’s highly likely she is also giving the services to others so it’s a matter of time before someone reviews and it would be difficult to identify you unless you include information that make it clear it’s you.

[Pillowtalk]

Hello all,
Had a smashing massage and HE recently but unusually can’t see how I can review without either giving no useful info to the collective here gathered or outing someone due to details I will hold back for now. And my question might well frustrate as obviously I’m trying not to give too much away here.
I will say that the person was most definitely not the usual nationality or race in similar establishments so any review will have her stand out like a sore thumb. Perhaps I’m overthinking.
This massage was well outside my normal punting zone so maybe it’s not so unusual a thing.
Any suggestions will be gratefully received.

If you think posting a review might cause someone harm, don't do it.

[daviemac]

I think a lot of people have missed this post by the OP.

It’s not you guys I’m concerned about knowing. It’s her employers.

He doesn't want to get the SP sacked.

[Mr Garmin]

I think a lot of people have missed this post by the OP.

He doesn't want to get the SP sacked.

Well why mention it at all then?

He knows that he can't say what happened but it seems like he wants to tell (boast) as he had such a great time.

It's a pointless thread

[Pete556]

How long has the massage section been open to none members I hadn’t realised?

It changed at the end of July. Massage reviews can be seen by anyone, however if you are not a member you will not be able to read all of the written content as some of it will be hidden.

[daviemac]

Well why mention it at all then?

He knows that he can't say what happened but it seems like he wants to tell (boast) as he had such a great time.

It's a pointless thread

If you think it's a pointless thread why are you posting on it? 

There's two parts to the OP's question, one - how can he give useful information if he leaves details out and two - how can he post a review and not get the SP in bother.

The answers are simple - one - information about the quality of a massage is useful information and two - only review the advertised services.

[Thephoenix]

Unfortunately this is exactly the situation I foresaw when the policy changed.
It's going to deter members from posting reviews, or possibly write such sterile reviews that are of  little value.

It's a shame that at least the general discussion headings at the top of regional sections can't be left private.

[scutty brown]

I'll just reiterate that we have had girls sacked from massage parlours because of reviews on here of off-menu offerings.
And also others working from home who've had to stop after being publicly identified as offering extras

[Jomoore]

I'll just reiterate that we have had girls sacked from massage parlours because of reviews on here of off-menu offerings.
And also others working from home who've had to stop after being publicly identified as offering extras

So why did the rule change?

[Thephoenix]

And also others working from home who've had to stop after being publicly identified as offering extras

Yes and that's why to some of those women, UKP was regarded as the devil incarnate .
Some were rightly so bitter that any mention of the site would have you vilified.

I wonder If we'll end up using DMs more, or going back to the days of reviews relying on innuendos, with endless posts asking "Did she or didn't she?"
I don't know if it was on this site or the old NW site where one such discussion went on for days.
Oh no matron!

[daviemac]

So why did the rule change?

All explained here -  https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=431848.0

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New plan. AI was extremely expensive unreliable, and would have been impossible to check everything it had changed .......... so

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[daviemac]

Yes and that's why to some of those women, UKP was regarded as the devil incarnate .
Some were rightly so bitter that any mention of the site would have you vilified.

I wonder If we'll end up using DMs more, or going back to the days of reviews relying on innuendos, with endless posts asking "Did she or didn't she?"
I don't know if it was on this site or the old NW site where one such discussion went on for days.
Oh no matron!

You'll likely see a lot more bannings, there's a strict rules on PMs.

[bigden40]

I'll just reiterate that we have had girls sacked from massage parlours because of reviews on here of off-menu offerings.
And also others working from home who've had to stop after being publicly identified as offering extras

Understand this if we’re talking about a legit spa.  Maybe the OP can clarify but reading between the lines it sounds like he just got a massage and HE from a CMP from a masseuse that wasn’t Chinese and therefore might be easily identified. 

But that doesn’t sound like a particularly off menu service

[pythondan]

I would say that if there are not already reviews that detail sexual services delivered at the massage venue then it is probably best not to post one.

It would however maybe be interesting to share a bit more information about the meeting. Did you go for a massage expecting extras or were they offered during a legit service?

[mr.bluesky]

How helpful would it be if the owners of the establishment sacked the masseuse because of what they read on here. 

I know a couple of instances where this has happened where the service provider has offered more than the owner/ manager would normally allow  so when reviewing someone if you think this may happen it's better to keep somethings discreet and not go into all the fine details. Also try and not post personal details about yourself in a review which could give your identity away and always leave a few weeks or months gap between the time of visit and the time of posting the review. 
I am sure there's  many like myself who tend to visit massage parlours more than an individual service provider who advertise and offer a full service on adultwork or Viva street and become regulars of certain lady's and would hate to see them loose their jobs because of something posted on this website that the establishment owner / boss has read on here about her. Just take a step back for a moment and think what the consequences may be if you give out too much information on here. It can be very tempting to brag about getting "x, y and z" from a certain lady when you know she's only supposed to be offering "x".
If you want to let it be known that " extra extras" are on offer then by all means tell a select few who you know see the same girl by sending them personal message and tell them not to blag about it to all and sundry.
I myself have received personal messages from a few trusted members about extras they have received and likewise I have also sent personal messages to certain members I trust about extra extras . As the old saying goes " loose lips sink ships"
Also just because someone gets more than you would normally get don't take it as a given that you'll get the same.

[Thephoenix]

Good post except DM seem to be discouraged, and not everyone can use the facility. (Criteria unknown).

I know just allowing DM for massage isn't feasible, but my suggestion earlier about keeping the massage discussion headings at the top of regional massage reviews private, would seem to be a compromise.

[Heph]

Hello all,
Had a smashing massage and HE recently but unusually can’t see how I can review without either giving no useful info to the collective here gathered or outing someone due to details I will hold back for now. And my question might well frustrate as obviously I’m trying not to give too much away here.
I will say that the person was most definitely not the usual nationality or race in similar establishments so any review will have her stand out like a sore thumb. Perhaps I’m overthinking.
This massage was well outside my normal punting zone so maybe it’s not so unusual a thing.
Any suggestions will be gratefully received.

Suggestion of sorts

'I recently went to Ruv-yoo-wrong-time 'spa' in Neasden, well-known amongst some of us for being a straight CMP venue. I booked a spot and found myself in a basement dungeon with a very attractive Svetlana. Having paid the house fee, I waited under the towel for said Svetti, who proceeded to get busy untying my knots. Her massage was thoroughly good being both firm and, at times softer (and, was it my imagination? suggestive of sensuality). At around 40 minutes I asked if I could turn around, and I could see that Svetlana was visibly surprised by my response to her work. She did explain the spa's well-advertised policy on no-extras, and so the massage resumed as before, with Svetlana continuing to professionally pummel me, until our appointment concluded.

I nonetheless left happy that I'd ventured in, and can commend the very striking and skilled Svetlana on putting on a good shift and show for me: my relief after her treatment was palpable. The spa is a very handy addition to the little roster of conventional massage joints that nevertheless are of interest to our board.

NB: the spa does have a strict policy on 'no sexual services' are offered, and is known to take a dim view of any staff thought to be pushing these to customers, so I suggest my fellow massage fans do bear that foremost in mind'

I'm sure you could rustle up something a great deal better than the above: obvs this sort of thing is entirely a matter of style and discretion, and if you are anxious to maintain her safety, then curtail your braggadocio to the absolute minimum.

[scutty brown]

I wonder if something simpler than that is all that's needed
A few times I've put reviews onto Google places where I've simply described the massage in fairly general anodyne terms, ending with "and I left happy" or "relieved and happy with the service" or similar - depending on what I thought I could get away with.
Is anyone outside the punting fraternity likely to understand that? Certainly it could never get used as evidence

[JontyR]

I wonder if something simpler than that is all that's needed
A few times I've put reviews onto Google places where I've simply described the massage in fairly general anodyne terms, ending with "and I left happy" or "relieved and happy with the service" or similar - depending on what I thought I could get away with.
Is anyone outside the punting fraternity likely to understand that? Certainly it could never get used as evidence

Certainly allows for plausible deniability. The question arises when there are multiple reviews with the same wording.

[Thephoenix]

I wonder if something simpler than that is all that's needed
A few times I've put reviews onto Google places where I've simply described the massage in fairly general anodyne terms, ending with "and I left happy" or "relieved and happy with the service" or similar - depending on what I thought I could get away with.
Is anyone outside the punting fraternity likely to understand that? Certainly it could never get used as evidence

Your post and the one before remind me of how it was before the massage section was made private.
Full of innuendos.
Oh Matron!

[Heph]

Certainly allows for plausible deniability. The question arises when there are multiple reviews with the same wording.

The reviewers deploy their wits, assuming they have any, and use some of the many hundreds of alternatives at their disposal and easily found in the dictionary

[Upsndowns79]

My own view on this is when push comes to shove it’s all pretty irrelevant. We may believe that by saying “I was happy in the end”, “the end came as a relief”, “I enjoyed the FULL body massage” etc that we are protecting the SP from the bosses prying eyes (or eyes that have ears of the boss) but in reality all readers will see straight through the innuendo/code to the facts of the event.

These places are not supported by unions or large HR departments and rules so if the boss thinks the SP is working against the policy of the house and isn’t willing to turn a blind eye then she will get her marching orders regardless.

We all know that the members only massage section wasn’t perfect and information was either visible to establishments through either memberships or informants but it was a safer space.

I personally found the information shared in the massage section the most useful on the site as I was never a fan of the WSWS process and much preferred to know what the ultimate menu might mean (accepting that MMV).

[Thephoenix]

My own view on this is when push comes to shove it’s all pretty irrelevant. We may believe that by saying “I was happy in the end”, “the end came as a relief”, “I enjoyed the FULL body massage” etc that we are protecting the SP from the bosses prying eyes (or eyes that have ears of the boss) but in reality all readers will see straight through the innuendo/code to the facts of the event.

These places are not supported by unions or large HR departments and rules so if the boss thinks the SP is working against the policy of the house and isn’t willing to turn a blind eye then she will get her marching orders regardless.

We all know that the members only massage section wasn’t perfect and information was either visible to establishments through either memberships or informants but it was a safer space.

I personally found the information shared in the massage section the most useful on the site as I was never a fan of the WSWS process and much preferred to know what the ultimate menu might mean (accepting that MMV).

+1

The same applies to the redacted reviews availability to non members.
It's not difficult for anyone to read between the lines.
However it's been decided by the boss to change the policy so we'll just have to adapt.

[Doc Holliday]

However it's been decided by the boss to change the policy so we'll just have to adapt.

Indeed. As Davie posted above this change was part of the regime brought in to comply with OSA in July.

I could be wrong, but I suspect there may be 'software' reasons requiring the visibility status of the massage section to be changed?