How to do deal with bad/neutral reviews hurting SPs feelings

[Illuminated4000]

So I tried contacting Bella Sadim on WhatsApp recently, noting it lingered on a single tick. Thinking she may have blocked me, I texted her over SMS. I did wonder if it was because of my neutral review, and she texted back to confirm it was. I’m feeling terrible about this, as she seemed genuinely hurt by it. I’m wracked with guilt that I’ve potentially hurt someone’s feelings, especially as she was really nice to me. Any suggestions, or just put it down to experience and not going into so much detail next time?

[daviemac]

Why are you letting an SP know you have posted a review, you membership of this site should be kept between you and other members.

As far as hurting her feelings go if she gave a good and reliable service and didn't do anything to warrant a neutral review she wouldn't get one.

Simple thing is as long as SPs provide a good service they won't get their feelings hurt, if they don't provide a good service that is not the punters fault.

[dexpunt]

I would put it down to experience and move on. However I am wondering why you are trying to make another booking when it was a neutral Surely its worth trying somebody different

[Illuminated4000]

Why are you letting an SP know you have posted a review, you membership of this site should be kept between you and other members.

As far as hurting her feelings go if she gave a good and reliable service and didn't do anything to warrant a neutral review she wouldn't get one.

Simple thing is as long as SPs provide a good service they won't get their feelings hurt, if they don't provide a good service that is not the punters fault.

Hi Dave. Sorry I should’ve been more clear; I asked if she blocked me and why, and she said it was because of the review. I didn’t mention UKP to her.

[Illuminated4000]

I would put it down to experience and move on. However I am wondering why you are trying to make another booking when it was a neutral Surely its worth trying somebody different

Cheers Dex

[Steely Dan]

1) Yes, work harder to make sure that the review on UKP cant be linked to AW or other identities.  I know, sometimes this is impossible.
....so....
2) Either don't give a girl you want to see again a neutral, or just don't try to go back to a girl that you gave a neutral!  On the day you wrote it you were thinking 'meh'.  Plenty of fish.  Listen to your own advice and find another fish.

[Sunny]

You should wait for a period of time before posting reviews and know many SPs check this site. Some will report you to Clienteye out of malice and pettiness.

[YorkshireLad]

You should wait for a period of time before posting reviews and know many SPs check this site. Some will report you to Clienteye out of malice and pettiness.

I once got reported on clienteye as a violent punter for leaving a bad review!

[daviemac]

Hi Dave. Sorry I should’ve been more clear; I asked if she blocked me and why, and she said it was because of the review. I didn’t mention UKP to her.

How did she know it was you who posted the review? 

The standard procedure when posting review is to leave enough time between the booking and review so the SP can't work out who's posting it, that's why we allow up to 6 months.

It's also acceptable to alter minor details to maintain anonymity, as long as the basic facts are correct.

[Illuminated4000]

How did she know it was you who posted the review? 

The standard procedure when posting review is to leave enough time between the booking and review so the SP can't work out who's posting it, that's why we allow up to 6 months.

It's also acceptable to alter minor details to maintain anonymity, as long as the basic facts are correct.

I got far too autobiographical in my review. Too detailed, too many identifiable nuances and quirks that led back to me, such as waiting on the steps, her Uber in crazy traffic from Mayfair, what we wrote to each other in our communications, and so on.

Thanks for the feedback guys, I think me and her are on good terms again now.

[Stevelondon]

Let me get this straight so I can explain things to my apprentice punter later on.

You didn’t think much of this particular lass as you gave her a neutral but you want to go back and try again.

You have told her you gave her a neutral cos the service wasn’t up to much and you’re concerned about her feelings with regard to this.

Now you are asking for advice.

Hang on a minute my apprentice is shitting himself laughing.

Stop it. This isn’t funny. It’s a serious matter for gods sake.
My apologies. Young men of today…….. no respect. !!!


I’m so sorry but are you sure that handle suits you 


Actually I’m being cruelly sarcastic here. I’m sorry.

Listen to the folk with a bit more common sense than me. I’m drunk. 

[webpunter]

Let me get this straight so I can explain things to my apprentice punter later on.

Oi, please dont refer to me as your apprentice punter 

If OP ever dishes out a -ve best he gets himself some counselling to help him get over it

[Illuminated4000]

 

[scutty brown]

I’m so sorry but are you sure that handle suits you 

He measured it in glow-worm power

[Garyhart]

For the future, there are certain things you don’t ever want to mention to maintain anonymity. Glanced through your review and you should always leave out minor, but crucial details which enables you to maintain plausible deniability. Referencing the specifics about your convo with her about how you didn’t like the GIF, the fact that you met her on the doorsteps makes it easy for her to trace it back to you.

Other examples of leaving out minor details which punters don’t need to know of, but if you mention it, will allow SPs to know who it is are things such as detailing the exact date and time of a punt (especially if it was recent, I.e, <2 weeks), a piece of clothing / lingerie she was wearing. You don’t know if she recently bought it and you was the first punter she wore it for. If you drank or ate something specific at hers, also best to omit that out to avoid being recognised.

Asides from her recognising you, you’ve no idea if she could share your number / details around and others could also trace you….

[southcoastpunter]

whilst some guys like writing  war and peace (or mills and boon) in a review, it really isn't needed. Just the plain fact of the meet.

[FaciallyChallenged]

I support the other people's comments about paying attention to little details but at the same time shes being a little diva mate nothing wrong with your review. If this were to hypothetically happen to me and I was desperately craving the bird, I’d just try with another number using Textme. Worst case she slams the door in my face and I'd walk away knowing 'right  ive burnt that bridge. No second chances here', best case she gives me an earful, I apologise but she still takes the booking once she sees a big fat envelope in my hand end of the day, cash usually talks louder than anything else.

[daviemac]

I support the other people's comments about paying attention to little details but at the same time shes being a little diva mate nothing wrong with your review. If this were to hypothetically happen to me and I was desperately craving the bird, I’d just try with another number using Textme. Worst case she slams the door in my face and I'd walk away knowing 'right  ive burnt that bridge. No second chances here', best case she gives me an earful, I apologise but she still takes the booking once she sees a big fat envelope in my hand end of the day, cash usually talks louder than anything else.

I've never understood why anyone would try and revisit an escort who has made it clear they don't want to see them. What sort of booking are you going to get even if you do make it through the door.   

The only thing you would probably achieve is getting a report on ClientEye for using different numbers to make a booking after being told she does't want to see you.

Do you think the fact you are paying gives you the right to be seen?

[Garyhart]

I support the other people's comments about paying attention to little details but at the same time shes being a little diva mate nothing wrong with your review. If this were to hypothetically happen to me and I was desperately craving the bird, I’d just try with another number using Textme. Worst case she slams the door in my face and I'd walk away knowing 'right  ive burnt that bridge. No second chances here', best case she gives me an earful, I apologise but she still takes the booking once she sees a big fat envelope in my hand end of the day, cash usually talks louder than anything else.

Never worth it trying to use another number to see her, just take your cash elsewhere in all honesty. The downside of her realising you’re duping her aren’t pleasant once they file a harassment claim or report you on clienteye. I do agree with you though that it’s petty from her, it wasn’t a scathing review by any means.

[FaciallyChallenged]

Never worth it trying to use another number to see her, just take your cash elsewhere in all honesty. The downside of her realising you’re duping her aren’t pleasant once they file a harassment claim or report you on clienteye. I do agree with you though that it’s petty from her, it wasn’t a scathing review by any means.

Sorry mate I got no point of reference for what this blokes going through as this has never happened to me. I did say im talking hypothetically, so he probably i hope took my comment with a pinch of salt. I could have imagined a scenario where she opens the door. He looks her dead in the eyes and immediately says 'can we talk?' while holding up an envelope full of notes to the amount of her PPH and then they speak it over like adults. Maybe thats too movie like and my imagination is taking over from what is really likely to occur in this business.

[Garyhart]

Sorry mate I got no point of reference for what this blokes going through as this has never happened to me. I did say im talking hypothetically, so he probably i hope took my comment with a pinch of salt. I could have imagined a scenario where she opens the door. He looks her dead in the eyes and immediately says 'can we talk?' while holding up an envelope full of notes to the amount of her PPH and then they speak it over like adults. Maybe thats too movie like and my imagination is taking over from what is really likely to occur in this business.

  Glad you beat me to it. Most WGs would slam the door in your face and report you asap. I hope this remains a hypothetical situation for any punter reading this. This has been a fairly funny thread to be honest 

[webpunter]

Glad you beat me to it. Most WGs would slam the door in your face and report you asap. I hope this remains a hypothetical situation for any punter reading this. This has been a fairly funny thread to be honest 

Yes indeed dot com

Even if a +ve review best to let the dust settle & whilst communicating what unfurled bear in mind anonymity
Especially if a well reviewed SP massage burd where pretty much there is some repetition inlcuded

I cant believe some UKPers write like yesterday / x days ago
With even the time ! 
I usually post not the best plan if i see this report yourself for being a bell end & a mod amends
Get yourself on the door cam 

With a neutral & especially a -ve its better for fellow UKPers that a swifter review
Convey the basics without going into the finer details
IMO its fine to use some artistic licence to convey - whatever the **** you do don't even consider this SP massage burd !!

[bigbird]

How did she know it was you who posted the review? 

The standard procedure when posting review is to leave enough time between the booking and review so the SP can't work out who's posting it, that's why we allow up to 6 months.

It's also acceptable to alter minor details to maintain anonymity, as long as the basic facts are correct.

I do that too, I change insignificant details, times etc, and the obvious one is not having the same name on here as you do on AW.

[Stevelondon]

I do that too, I change insignificant details, times etc, and the obvious one is not having the same name on here as you do on AW.

BUGGER 

[Doc Holliday]

You actually posted the date and time in your review.

When: a few weeks ago, the day before she flew back to Brazil. She said she’d be back in four months time. I originally asked for 6, changed to 7, but the meet didn’t actually start until 8 because she was stuck in Mayfair because of what I assumed was an outcall that overran, plus the ensuing traffic. She helpfully sent her love location via WhatsApp while I alternated between walking around and sitting on the steps above her basement apartment.

Way too much other information also. As has been said move on 

[yesbby]

Also, the OP's review contains the line

"I was a bit appalled with some of her antics though"

This probably doesn't go through google translate into Portugeuse very well, and would leave anyone to wonder why a return visit was even considered

[southcoastpunter]

why are you doing a review on UKP? it isn't (or shouldn't be) to make you feel like a great lover or to provide entertaining reading material to other punters, It should be to share knowledge and experience about a SP.

so ask yourself, what info will be most useful to other guys? the fact you walked around or sat on basement steps is of little use. The fact that you were kept waiting for 2 hours is. But that is all you need to say on that issue.

If you give it a little thought, you can identify the most useful bits for other guys - for example saying "she is attractive" isn't particularly helpful (we all have our own idea of what is attractive) but saying she looks like her AW profile pics is! What services did you get? how were they delivered - skillfully and with enthusiasm ?  duration? price? etc As per the wiki guide.

as said before - war and peace is not needed. Its really quite simple! Oh and provided its honest, factual and written without malice, whether it "hurts her feelings" or not is not important!

[PilotMan]

Given the review and the SP's response to the review, I'm completely baffled as to why the OP would want to see the girl again, and then feel so disappointed that he's posted it on here asking for advice 

First off, if you are feeling so guilty about posting a genuine review, maybe this site isn't for you 

I notice that all of your reviews, apart from hers, are positive.

But more importantly, @lluminated4000, can you provide an explanation as to why you are so desperate to see her, so desperate in fact, that you've asked for advice on here?

[Illuminated4000]

Hi PM. I did have a pretty ropey experience with another SP in Nottingham, so I’ll be writing that out today at some point. To answer your question, even when I was writing the review, I was still hoping to see her again as I liked her and like seeing SPs again more than once, unless it was a negative experience or neutral-to-negative. She’s unblocked me now anyway, so it’s all good. I love this site and it’s been very useful and helpful, but I tried too hard by writing War and Peace. Thanks for the tips and support guys (and the ribbing, I needed that).

[paul_tall_]

I don’t think you have helped yourself by knowing she / someone reads reviews on here and then proceeded to write another thread about her blocking you .
As other have said your reviews are way too identifiable to the meeting .
Given the last few reviews are for high end price point  meetings so long as you would have no difficulty in finding other girls to meet . Just so long as you haven’t been shared on WhatsApp groups if any of the girls belong to a network esp say ones that are friendly with the neutral review .

[webpunter]

Hi PM. I did have a pretty ropey experience with another SP in Nottingham, so I’ll be writing that out today at some point

Best let the dust settle if the meet was yesterday even more so if earlier today 

[hendrix]

I support the other people's comments about paying attention to little details but at the same time shes being a little diva mate nothing wrong with your review. If this were to hypothetically happen to me and I was desperately craving the bird, I’d just try with another number using Textme. Worst case she slams the door in my face and I'd walk away knowing 'right  ive burnt that bridge. No second chances here', best case she gives me an earful, I apologise but she still takes the booking once she sees a big fat envelope in my hand end of the day, cash usually talks louder than anything else.

I'm sorry but using a different number to book a WG who doesn't want to see you, is shitty and manipulative behaviour. Just move on, plenty more to choose from surely.

[MissWolf]

I'm sorry but using a different number to book a WG who doesn't want to see you, is shitty and manipulative behaviour. Just move on, plenty more to choose from surely.

This 100%

[FaciallyChallenged]

I'm sorry but using a different number to book a WG who doesn't want to see you, is shitty and manipulative behaviour. Just move on, plenty more to choose from surely.

Fair point

[Illuminated4000]

Best let the dust settle if the meet was yesterday even more so if earlier today 

Cheers WP. It was a while ago now, just posted it 

[Illuminated4000]

I don’t think you have helped yourself by knowing she / someone reads reviews on here and then proceeded to write another thread about her blocking you .
As other have said your reviews are way too identifiable to the meeting .
Given the last few reviews are for high end price point  meetings so long as you would have no difficulty in finding other girls to meet . Just so long as you haven’t been shared on WhatsApp groups if any of the girls belong to a network esp say ones that are friendly with the neutral review .

Super helpful, thanks Paul  And yes, I did wonder about starting another thread about it and whether or not it would make things even worse! But I felt down about it and needed to let it out. I think me and her can move on from it now 

[webpunter]

why are you doing a review on UKP? it isn't (or shouldn't be) to make you feel like a great lover or to provide entertaining reading material to other punters, It should be to share knowledge and experience about a SP.

If its to feel like a great lover its in own imagination 
Judging by his original post i very much doubt if he'll get even get close
He even wants to go back for another session
Cunt struck springs to mind
How many other fish are there in the pond ?  the answer is loads he hasn't got a scooby

As for being entertaining you are a bundle of fun aren't you
You should read reviews from back in the day from the likes BigusDickusRidesAgain
They & others were hilarious to read i was laarfing reading them
I've choked on a drink or three
These reviews did indeed share knowledge & experience
Entertaining attracts attention & is better remembered so sharing

"it isn't (or shouldn't be)"
Let me check UKP rules & regs
I'll revert & in the meantime i'll let you get back to your train-spotting
You are some boring ****** i feel sorry for your OH if you have one

[Illuminated4000]

Is there beef between you two?

[webpunter]

Is there beef between you two?

Not that i'm aware of
I didnt realise that it is verboten for reviews to be entertaining 

[Garyhart]

If its to feel like a great lover its in own imagination 
Judging by his original post i very much doubt if he'll get even get close
He even wants to go back for another session
Cunt struck springs to mind
How many other fish are there in the pond ?  the answer is loads he hasn't got a scooby

As for being entertaining you are a bundle of fun aren't you
You should read reviews from back in the day from the likes BigusDickusRidesAgain
They & others were hilarious to read i was laarfing reading them
I've choked on a drink or three
These reviews did indeed share knowledge & experience
Entertaining attracts attention & is better remembered so sharing

"it isn't (or shouldn't be)"
Let me check UKP rules & regs
I'll revert & in the meantime i'll let you get back to your train-spotting
You are some boring ****** i feel sorry for your OH if you have one

Anyone correct me if I’m misinterpreting, but is there need to bring someone’s significant other into this? A bit too disrespectful in my opinion

[OakTree]

Unfortunately one of the hazards of reviewing is that there’s a risk you’ll be recognised by the SP. Some SPs will take a dim view even if it’s a positive glowing endorsement.

I always leave a number of weeks after before posting wether it’s’ green grey or red.

As for being wracked with guilt, really? It’s probably and more likely regret at being found out, you wouldn’t have posted it otherwise. I really wouldn’t worry about hurt feelings in this game. None of us are who say we are, SPs and punters alike. The truth be known, had you not posted a review you would have been totally forgotten. It’s usually after about ten paces outside the door as you leave. 

[webpunter]

Anyone correct me if I’m misinterpreting, but is there need to bring someone’s significant other into this? A bit too disrespectful in my opinion

I concede
& hereby issue an apology for over-stepping the mark bringing in the SO [if trailer in tow]

As for: "it isn't (or shouldn't be)" 

It would appear that that the rest of my post is OK
Likewise hopefully entertaining reviews are OK too

[Stevelondon]

If its to feel like a great lover its in own imagination 
Judging by his original post i very much doubt if he'll get even get close
He even wants to go back for another session
Cunt struck springs to mind
How many other fish are there in the pond ?  the answer is loads he hasn't got a scooby

As for being entertaining you are a bundle of fun aren't you
You should read reviews from back in the day from the likes BigusDickusRidesAgain
They & others were hilarious to read i was laarfing reading them
I've choked on a drink or three
These reviews did indeed share knowledge & experience
Entertaining attracts attention & is better remembered so sharing

"it isn't (or shouldn't be)"
Let me check UKP rules & regs
I'll revert & in the meantime i'll let you get back to your train-spotting
You are some boring ****** i feel sorry for your OH if you have one

Bugger. ……… I’m in a pub quiz team and this bloody question came up.
“What’s the name for a large group of fish swimming together” ?

I put down “Shoal”

Fuck me. If only I had known it was “Loads” …. We would have won. 

[PilotMan]

had you not posted a review you would have been totally forgotten. It’s usually after about ten paces outside the door as you leave. 

I think it's even earlier than that.

As soon as she knows you're done, she's already thinking about the next punter who is going to walk through the door, you're just an object that needs to be cleared out of the way 

[webpunter]

Bugger. ……… I’m in a pub quiz team and this bloody question came up.
“What’s the name for a large group of fish swimming together” ?

I put down “Shoal”

Fuck me. If only I had known it was “Loads” …. We would have won. 

 
Please stop making me laarf
We'd better check with @scp if this & entertaining reviews are allowed

[Wayfarer]

So I tried contacting Bella Sadim on WhatsApp recently, noting it lingered on a single tick. Thinking she may have blocked me, I texted her over SMS. I did wonder if it was because of my neutral review, and she texted back to confirm it was. I’m feeling terrible about this, as she seemed genuinely hurt by it. I’m wracked with guilt that I’ve potentially hurt someone’s feelings, especially as she was really nice to me. Any suggestions, or just put it down to experience and not going into so much detail next time?

Hi Illuminated4000

Your experience is bearing down on me too.

I wrote a truthful review on a young lady where I mentioned a service that she clearly says she does not provide. She let me perform it willingly. I did think hard whether I should mention the extra service or not but decided on full disclosure with the ethos of the forum.

After I posted my review, some members noticed my mention of the service and asked about it since they were ether denied the service or did not try. I always look at this as YMMV.

I now see on the lady's profile page the comment that she does not provide this service has been replaced with a paragraph saying she reads reviews, has seen an up tick in guys trying that service and she is batting them all back. Before she allowed on an exceptions basis, she now will blanket decline anyone who tries to performed the banned service. This includes existing and new customers.

I feel like I have ruined it.

I feel like I have hurt her and her trust. She had allowed me something she clearly said she does not do and now per her profile there are customers trying it on which she attributes to a forum review.

I definitely need to re-consider my review write ups on how much information is given or make them much shorter or as mentioned in this thread with hold some information.

Even this morning when I was typing up another review, I thought I need to maybe do two versions. One with all the bells and whistles on what we did and how it was like and then another one that is droll and edited - just the facts but stripped back of any narrative or context. I also need to cross reference the services to the likes list and definitely never mention those.

But I dont want to do that as it takes away from the forum.

I am probably like you, not sure what to do now.

 

[PilotMan]

@Wayfarer

It is indeed a delicate and awkward predicament to report accurately, whilst avoiding giving away your personal information so as to be identified.

There's also the matter of receiving a service that the SP may state on her profile as discretionary. If an SP has provided you with a service that is discretionary, I believe it should be reported in your review. An accumulation of reviews by other members may indicate how frequently this is provided, and if there's qualifying criteria.

If a service is provided that isn't mentioned on the SP's profile, then I am of the opinion that it is up to your judgement whether to report it or not. There are a myriad of reasons for and against.

[PilotMan]

Addendum to my post above.


Abuse of Reviews
One of the problems with providing information on this forum is that there are unfortunately plenty of unsavoury characters who will use that information to pressure the SP in to providing a service, by either threatening a poor review, or promising a favourable review. This is what I suspect is happening to the SP who is the subject of the review you provided. I have heard this from numerous SP's who have been the subject of this type of manipulation.

Fortunately the Mod Team take a hard line on any members exhibiting any form of bad behaviour towards SP's. I think it is therefore unlikely that unsavoury characters will get away with giving an SP a bad review in these cases. The combined intel and an accumulation of reviews by members, usually flags these type of revenge reviews (as recent bans and reviews being discredited attest) 

[Wayfarer]

Hi PilotMan,

@Wayfarer

It is indeed a delicate and awkward predicament to report accurately, whilst avoiding giving away your personal information so as to be identified.

Yes, I do worry whether an escort will link me back to a review I have written. It is not a nice feeling being challenged by an escort as being a forum member. In general, I do also see in escort profiles a warning written that forum members should not book them. So to be outed as a forum member ending up on a black list is also a concern.  I also note the extreme consequences that can befall forum members as mentioned in the above posts.

I do think this is my last time with this particular lady given what has been said on her profile. Very sad.

I will just have to be more circumspect in my review writing, but the enjoyment will be less.

There's also the matter of receiving a service that the SP may state on her profile as discretionary. If an SP has provided you with a service that is discretionary, I believe it should be reported in your review. An accumulation of reviews by other members may indicate how frequently this is provided, and if there's qualifying criteria.

Good rule of thumb. For example, discretionary CIM and discretionary OWO. This make sense. I would not withhold that particular detail.

If a service is provided that isn't mentioned on the SP's profile, then I am of the opinion that it is up to your judgement whether to report it or not. There are a myriad of reasons for and against.

In this case the lady's profile says she does not perform this service. She allowed it for me. I reported it for full and honest reporting.

I take the same applies for services not listed at all as opposed to listed as not enjoyed on a profile then it is up to me to report it or not.

@Pilotman, this has really helped me clear some thoughts.

But I feel I have burnt my bridge with this lady which is where I was identifying with OP.

[PilotMan]

But I feel I have burnt my bridge with this lady which is where I was identifying with OP.

Yep, shit happens, and it's not always predictable.

We just have to move on, live and learn.