The Vivastreet Mystery

[Vice Admiral]

When reflecting on Vulvastreet, there's always a danger of going over familiar ground.  However I think my main point is new.

Various aspects of prostitution have over the years aroused my intellectual curiosity, hence (for example) my participation in the prolonged investigation into Secret Benefits:
https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=351124.0

In the case of SB there are plenty of clues as to what's going on, because a number of UKP members have reported their experiences of the site, allowing a detailed picture of SB's modus operandi to be painted.

In the case of the girls who advertise on Vulvastreet, however, I suspect the best any of us can come with is reasonably informed speculation - not least because I don't think many members of UKP are Vulvastreet regulars.  I get the impression that most members who use the site go there only occasionally, and often as a Plan B.   

I will use my home territory of Portsmouth as a statistical example, but the principles are the same elsewhere on Britain.

A Portsmouth search on Escorts and Massages on Vulvastreet at 10.45 am today delivered 112 hits.  Of those about half a dozen were massage-only.  Almost 30 were declared as Thai, Japanese, Chinese or other Far Eastern.  (An interesting new development is how many more old-school Thais and other orientals have recently started advertising on Vulvastreet.  For reasons not clear to me, perhaps this has something to do with the Online Safety Act?)

That leaves us with ads for some 75 girls not from the Far East,  most of them declared as Brazilian.  While it can safely be assumed that almost none of the photos are of the girl who would open the door, the figures nonetheless postulate that there are around 70 mainly South American girls who – regardless of what they actually look like –  are, on a sunny Saturday in mid-August 2025, selling pussy in Portsmouth.  And also that enough Portsmouth punters are visiting those 70 girls to cover the rent and the pimp's cut, and to pay for bread, baked beans and gin, and tobacco and tattoos.

 I don't believe it.

So my question is this.

How many different girls are lurking behind those 70 ads?

One theory might be that each Brazilian has, I don't know, around half a dozen ads, because flooding Vulvastreet with ads has be found to be a business model that works (though doesn't come cheap).  And if the competition does this, then others must follow.

In that case these 70 ads would actually represent a total of around a dozen working girls.

Is that a plausible theory?  If not, does anyone have a better one?

I appreciate that any responses to my speculative ruminations are likely to be fairly speculative too.  Unless, of course, any UKP member has had the privilege and pleasure of a long heart-to-heart with a Vulvastreet pimp?

[LLPunting]

Portsmouth is still a Navy town right?

[scutty brown]

I've done a bit of research on the equivalent stats up here in Lancashire, and I reckon you can take those 70 listings and multiply by 0.3 or 0.4 to get a realistic figure - so something like a range of 21-28. That's only a rough figure, not exact - and is affected by overspill with multiple accounts in adjacent areas. The bigger the area you check (i.e. county rather than town) the more duplicates you resolve.
But essentially, yes the issue is predominantly girls (or groups of girls) with multiple accounts. Some you can identify through repeated phone numbers, reuse of photos, identical price structure, or repeated profile text. Some you can only resolve by logging their addresses.
That tends to work with EE and South American girls (who often seem to be controlled by the same pimping groups anyway, but less so with the Chinese where you do sometimes one profile covering several girls at the same address

And to answer the other question - foreign girls increasingly use VS over AW simply because of the enhanced verification procedures AW introduced a few years back

[paul_tall_]

When reflecting on Vulvastreet, there's always a danger of going over familiar ground.  However I think my main point is new.

Various aspects of prostitution have over the years aroused my intellectual curiosity, hence (for example) my participation in the prolonged investigation into Secret Benefits:
https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=351124.0

In the case of SB there are plenty of clues as to what's going on, because a number of UKP members have reported their experiences of the site, allowing a detailed picture of SB's modus operandi to be painted.

In the case of the girls who advertise on Vulvastreet, however, I suspect the best any of us can come with is reasonably informed speculation - not least because I don't think many members of UKP are Vulvastreet regulars.  I get the impression that most members who use the site go there only occasionally, and often as a Plan B.   

I will use my home territory of Portsmouth as a statistical example, but the principles are the same elsewhere on Britain.

A Portsmouth search on Escorts and Massages on Vulvastreet at 10.45 am today delivered 112 hits.  Of those about half a dozen were massage-only.  Almost 30 were declared as Thai, Japanese, Chinese or other Far Eastern.  (An interesting new development is how many more old-school Thais and other orientals have recently started advertising on Vulvastreet.  For reasons not clear to me, perhaps this has something to do with the Online Safety Act?)

That leaves us with ads for some 75 girls not from the Far East,  most of them declared as Brazilian.  While it can safely be assumed that almost none of the photos are of the girl who would open the door, the figures nonetheless postulate that there are around 70 mainly South American girls who – regardless of what they actually look like –  are, on a sunny Saturday in mid-August 2025, selling pussy in Portsmouth.  And also that enough Portsmouth punters are visiting those 70 girls to cover the rent and the pimp's cut, and to pay for bread, baked beans and gin, and tobacco and tattoos.

 I don't believe it.

So my question is this.

How many different girls are lurking behind those 70 ads?

One theory might be that each Brazilian has, I don't know, around half a dozen ads, because flooding Vulvastreet with ads has be found to be a business model that works (though doesn't come cheap).  And if the competition does this, then others must follow.

In that case these 70 ads would actually represent a total of around a dozen working girls.

Is that a plausible theory?  If not, does anyone have a better one?

I appreciate that any responses to my speculative ruminations are likely to be fairly speculative too.  Unless, of course, any UKP member has had the privilege and pleasure of a long heart-to-heart with a Vulvastreet pimp?

When you viewed the ads how many of them were marked as an agency ? If you look deeper at those they have ads for the whole country.

[Vice Admiral]

Portsmouth is still a Navy town right?

The three English towns and cities closest in population to Portsmouth are Luton, Wolverhampton and Reading – none of which are close to the sea or associated with sailors.  Yet Vulvastreet ads for the four locations are similar in number.

I have just done a search.  The "hits" were as follows:
Luton – 137
Wolverhampton – 109
Portsmouth – 104
Reading – 95

To be honest I think the stereotype of "lots of sailors" equals "lots of whores" is a bit last-century.  Your average sailor is much fitter (in one sense, certainly, and arguably in two) than your average landlubber, and therefore has an advantage when it comes to pulling civvie pussy in the pubs and clubs of Britain's premier naval port.

[Vice Admiral]

When you viewed the ads how many of them were marked as an agency ? If you look deeper at those they have ads for the whole country.

But surely that doesn't negate the raw figures?  Each Vulvastreet ad is offering a girl, whether agency or supposedly indie, who is supposedly currently available in Portsmouth.  The same principle applies to other towns and cities.

[scutty brown]

When you viewed the ads how many of them were marked as an agency ? If you look deeper at those they have ads for the whole country.

that's irrelevant to the calculation

[bops909]

While it can safely be assumed that almost none of the photos are of the girl who would open the door,

Not a safe assumption. In my experience you're being being overly sceptical.

I regularly meet WGs with VS ads who are exactly the person in the photos.

It's not 100%, might not be 50% overall, but it's not "almost none" either.

[bops909]

How many different girls are lurking behind those 70 ads?

You're assuming they are all women. Some of them are men.

Not in the way many would assume but it is a fact that some adverts are out and out scammers such as this recent example where it was demonstrated it was a man running the scam.  https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=420.msg4293251#msg4293251

[bops909]

I've done a bit of research on the equivalent stats up here in Lancashire, and I reckon you can take those 70 listings and multiply by 0.3 or 0.4 to get a realistic figure - so something like a range of 21-28. That's only a rough figure, not exact - and is affected by overspill with multiple accounts in adjacent areas. The bigger the area you check (i.e. county rather than town) the more duplicates you resolve.
But essentially, yes the issue is predominantly girls (or groups of girls) with multiple accounts. Some you can identify through repeated phone numbers, reuse of photos, identical price structure, or repeated profile text. Some you can only resolve by logging their addresses.
That tends to work with EE and South American girls (who often seem to be controlled by the same pimping groups anyway, but less so with the Chinese where you do sometimes one profile covering several girls at the same address

And to answer the other question - foreign girls increasingly use VS over AW simply because of the enhanced verification procedures AW introduced a few years back

Yes. I just stumbled across an outfit on VS with 45 ads around UK and within those certainly some are duplicates - same phone number on more than one ad.

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In this case the images are stolen from IG profiles so not who you're going to meet.

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[scutty brown]

Yes. I just stumbled across an outfit on VS with 45 ads around UK and within those certainly some are duplicates - same phone number on more than one ad.

That's a front for a Chinese OCG and is deliberately intended to confuse.
Constantly switching girls between sites, with reuse of photos and phone numbers. Bookings will be done centrally through an agent, who then instructs the girls - that creates a cutout so if the place is raided, if the police try ringing the advertised phones nothing in the place rings: so no evidence
Exactly how many girls that 45 adverts really represents is uncertain without deep analysis of the profiles, but it's probably in the range 25-35

[paul_tall_]

that's irrelevant to the calculation

Probably , I was sort of alluding to for every agency ad in an area one or two profiles that are independent are probably part of that agency just a different phone number, numbers being easy to come by
Which I think concurs with your assessment of numbers and a central management. Just a glance of the agencies that show Asian girls and you can easily find companies house listings I guess to try and make them more legit. For the Asian ads the texts are just all to similar no matter who they are under and it’s like there are a few templates to follow . The photos like you say are just not realistic .
In the Surrey and surrounds area very few adverts for Asians on VS now appear on AW . More Brazilian adverts have or had an AW profile and probably are the girl the behind the picture based on reviews you read

[yohansebast]

My experience has been identical to the O.P. For sure most of the people behind the majority of those profiles are organisations that just replicate preexisting profiles. If there are 50 profiles in a town, about 10 will be straight up scams - wait until you are outside then tell you they need a deposit to give you the flat number. Of the rest many girls will have 2-3 duplicate profiles with different photos. It's pretty rare the girl is actually the one in the photos and being an "identity verified" profile is farcical because most of those turn out to be different from the photos as well.
Perhaps the most annoying thing about the site is the number of towns you can see the exactly the same girl/photos listed in pretty much every major city on the same days(and those are often "verified" which is just blatant scamming and strongly suggests the site is in on it.

[scutty brown]

My experience has been identical to the O.P. For sure most of the people behind the majority of those profiles are organisations that just replicate preexisting profiles. If there are 50 profiles in a town, about 10 will be straight up scams - wait until you are outside then tell you they need a deposit to give you the flat number. Of the rest many girls will have 2-3 duplicate profiles with different photos. It's pretty rare the girl is actually the one in the photos and being an "identity verified" profile is farcical because most of those turn out to be different from the photos as well.
Perhaps the most annoying thing about the site is the number of towns you can see the exactly the same girl/photos listed in pretty much every major city on the same days(and those are often "verified" which is just blatant scamming and strongly suggests the site is in on it.

How many times have you been caught out like that in the last few years? You've obviously seen a number of girls who were advertising on Vivastreet

[big-al93]

My experience has been identical to the O.P. For sure most of the people behind the majority of those profiles are organisations that just replicate preexisting profiles. If there are 50 profiles in a town, about 10 will be straight up scams - wait until you are outside then tell you they need a deposit to give you the flat number. Of the rest many girls will have 2-3 duplicate profiles with different photos. It's pretty rare the girl is actually the one in the photos and being an "identity verified" profile is farcical because most of those turn out to be different from the photos as well.
Perhaps the most annoying thing about the site is the number of towns you can see the exactly the same girl/photos listed in pretty much every major city on the same days(and those are often "verified" which is just blatant scamming and strongly suggests the site is in on it.

I wouldn't say in on it, more just happy to hold out their hand and let these people pay them. If they were in on it these ads in other towns would not show up at the side of the ad as Similar Ads, which they often do since the photos are similar (well identical)

[Jazzy99]

I've only used Vivastreet twice. First instance what was supposed to be a hot young Korean girl turned out to be a chubby Chinese woman in her late 30s with bad teeth. The other was exactly as advertised a young blonde EE girl with whom I had a nice time with. In both cases the profiles disappeared within days, which brings us to the other problem of reviews. These girls are so transient it's difficult to review.

On another note, after making inquiries on Vivastreet profiles, I got an odd phone call on my punting phone and couple of days later threatening text about wasting the girls time and he gonna send the boys round to sort me out unless I paid money etc. Scam obviously. My hunch is some of these profiles are setup for such scams. This happened after inquiring Brazilian profiles as I remember.
 

 

[yohansebast]

I've only used Vivastreet twice. First instance what was supposed to be a hot young Korean girl turned out to be a chubby Chinese woman in her late 30s with bad teeth. The other was exactly as advertised a young blonde EE girl with whom I had a nice time with. In both cases the profiles disappeared within days, which brings us to the other problem of reviews. These girls are so transient it's difficult to review.

On another note, after making inquiries on Vivastreet profiles, I got an odd phone call on my punting phone and couple of days later threatening text about wasting the girls time and he gonna send the boys round to sort me out unless I paid money etc. Scam obviously. My hunch is some of these profiles are setup for such scams. This happened after inquiring Brazilian profiles as I remember.

100%, happens nearly every time i message a bunch of numbers from vivastreet, a day or so later you get a threatening text or a phone call from a strong accented bloke saying he's coming to your house "with the boys" unless you send him money.

[yohansebast]

How many times have you been caught out like that in the last few years? You've obviously seen a number of girls who were advertising on Vivastreet

Several times for sure. Vivastreet is an absolute shit show. Alas when we are on a mission it's hard to abort.