Author Topic: Milan Bergamo Airport Suicide  (Read 1777 times)

Online myothernameis

A man died last week as he was sucked into a jet engine, in Milan Bergamo Airport

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Its not known if it was suicide, but guess this is more or less true, and the person was, identified as 35-year-old Andrea Russo

Andrea Russo drove his car to the airport from a small Italian town, and when at the airport abandoned his car.   He then ran through the airport, passing through security, with no one challenging him, or able to stop him.   Finally forced open a door, to allow access to the runway, and then ran to the airplane, and finally ended his life

There around five personnel on the runway trying to stop him, but even after he got through security, and were the police alerted.   Think a lot more could have been done, some of the airport staff, trying to catch this male, and at a walking pace

Around five personnel and some passengers now need, some sort of psychological support, after witnessing all of this



Offline Watts.E.Dunn

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Well maybe but i'd not like to be anywhere close to a running jet engine, a bloody horrible way to go so is being smashed by a fast train...

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An acquaintance  failed with a suicide attempt by fast train, we were worried he might try it again but he said that he wouldnt do it now because he understood what the effect on the driver would be

I suppose death by jet engine would be pretty quick
but as Dorothy Parker put it

Razors pain you;
Rivers are damp;
Acids stain you;
And drugs cause cramp.
Guns aren’t lawful;
Nooses give;
Gas smells awful;
You might as well live.

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God damn that is awful. Feel sorry for the workers there as well, can clearly see their shock  :(

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doesn't look like the engine was running, the other (nearest) one clearly was not
looks to me like he tried to climb in, slipped and banged his head in the fall

if it had been running, he wouldn't have fallen out of the engine front

Online mr.bluesky

doesn't look like the engine was running, the other (nearest) one clearly was not
looks to me like he tried to climb in, slipped and banged his head in the fall

if it had been running, he wouldn't have fallen out of the engine front

Judging by the reaction of the people nearby I would say his body was partially mangled. The engine would not have to be running at full speed to still cause considerable damage.The plane may have just started it's engines so it's possible they fire up independently or even if they were closing down the engines. You only have to see the damage a bird strike can do to the rotor blades of an engine.
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Offline RandomGuy99

Judging by the reaction of the people nearby I would say his body was partially mangled. The engine would not have to be running at full speed to still cause considerable damage.The plane may have just started it's engines so it's possible they fire up independently or even if they were closing down the engines. You only have to see the damage a bird strike can do to the rotor blades of an engine.
I don't think he actually got into the engine. I think he attempted to and the air vortex for the turbine broke his neck and then he fell to the ground.

This is what happens to jet engine when you fire frozen chickens into them.

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The engine in this case doesn't appear to have been damaged or sucked him in.

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I don't think he actually got into the engine. I think he attempted to and the air vortex for the turbine broke his neck and then he fell to the ground.

This is what happens to jet engine when you fire frozen chickens into them.

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The engine in this case doesn't appear to have been damaged or sucked him in.

I have seen no end of these videos as I used to work in the aviation industry. There's no doubt aircraft engines are more robust nowdays compared to 10 or 20 years ago.
As the comment under the clip says its a test to check the integrity of the engine cowl . Besides which when do you ever get a frozen chickens flying at 28,000 feet . If a normal bird flies into an engine you do get damage but not to the extent a frozen bird causes. These are extreme test conditions.
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Offline RandomGuy99

I have seen no end of these videos as I used to work in the aviation industry. There's no doubt aircraft engines are more robust nowdays compared to 10 or 20 years ago.
As the comment under the clip says its a test to check the integrity of the engine cowl . Besides which when do you ever get a frozen chickens flying at 28,000 feet . If a normal bird flies into an engine you do get damage but not to the extent a frozen bird causes. These are extreme test conditions.
You mean that birds don't freeze at 28,000 feet and then thaw when they get lower again?

I suspect birds don't actually fly at 28,000 feet.

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You mean that birds don't freeze at 28,000 feet and then thaw when they get lower again?

I suspect birds don't actually fly at 28,000 feet.

Exactly, that's my point. If you used real live birds the animal welfare society would be up in arms and rightly so.
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You mean that birds don't freeze at 28,000 feet and then thaw when they get lower again?

I suspect birds don't actually fly at 28,000 feet.

Bar-headed geese do

Offline RandomGuy99

Exactly, that's my point. If you used real live birds the animal welfare society would be up in arms and rightly so.
You could use dead unfrozen birds but they would be bloody and not really test the cowling of the engine stays intact if a solid object is ingested.

Offline RandomGuy99

Bar-headed geese do
You are correct.  How do they not freeze?  Must be their downy feathers.

Birds fly at a wide range of altitudes depending on the species, purpose of flight (e.g. migration vs. foraging), and environmental factors. Here's a breakdown:

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### 🕊️ **Typical Flying Heights by Bird Type**

| **Bird Type**                      | **Average Altitude**         |
| ---------------------------------- | ---------------------------- |
| Songbirds (e.g. robins, sparrows)  | 100–500 feet (30–150 m)      |
| Birds of prey (e.g. hawks, eagles) | 1,000–3,000 feet (300–900 m) |
| Waterfowl (e.g. ducks, geese)      | 200–4,000 feet (60–1,200 m)  |
| Pigeons                            | Up to 6,000 feet (1,800 m)   |
| Swifts and swallows                | 300–10,000 feet (90–3,000 m) |

---

### 🧭 **Migratory Altitudes (Much Higher!)**

Some birds fly **much higher** during migration:

* **Bar-headed Goose**: Up to **29,000 feet** (8,800 m) over the Himalayas — close to jet cruising altitude!
* **Rüppell’s Griffon Vulture**: Record holder — spotted at **37,000 feet** (11,300 m) over Africa (collided with an aircraft).
* **Common Crane**: Up to **33,000 feet** (10,000 m) on migration.

---

### ⚠️ Factors Affecting Flight Altitude

* **Weather/wind conditions**
* **Air temperature and oxygen levels**
* **Terrain (mountains, valleys)**
* **Time of day** (some species fly higher at night)

Online mr.bluesky

You could use dead unfrozen birds but they would be bloody and not really test the cowling of the engine stays intact if a solid object is ingested.

In this case of the poor unfortunate guy it's the rotation of the turbine blades that killed him and they don't have to be going at full speed.

Offline chrishornx

You mean that birds don't freeze at 28,000 feet and then thaw when they get lower again?

I suspect birds don't actually fly at 28,000 feet.

some big birds can get a lot higher than 28,000 feet

Offline chrishornx

doesn't look like the engine was running, the other (nearest) one clearly was not
looks to me like he tried to climb in, slipped and banged his head in the fall

if it had been running, he wouldn't have fallen out of the engine front

reports confirm teh plane had just left the gate and was taxiing  out to the runway so the engine were almost certainly running

Offline RandomGuy99

some big birds can get a lot higher than 28,000 feet
Great question! Flying at 33,000 feet is incredibly cold, and you'd think birds might freeze up there, but they have a few clever ways to stay warm and handle the harsh conditions.

### 🪶 **How Birds Stay Warm at High Altitudes:**

1. **Feathers – The Ultimate Insulation**:

   * **Feather Structure**: Birds have incredibly efficient feathers that trap air close to their bodies, creating an insulating layer. The **down feathers** near their skin are especially effective at keeping warmth in and cold out.
   * **Feather Preening**: Birds constantly preen their feathers to maintain this insulating barrier, ensuring no gaps or malfunctions in the protective layer.

2. **High Metabolism**:

   * Birds have extremely fast metabolisms, which means they generate a lot of internal heat. When migrating at high altitudes, their bodies are working hard to burn energy, which helps them stay warm.
   * **Endothermic Heat Production**: Some species, especially those adapted to high altitudes, can ramp up their metabolic rate to produce more heat when needed.

3. **Body Size and Shape**:

   * **Large Birds**: Larger birds like geese, cranes, and vultures are generally better equipped to handle cold, as they have a lower surface-area-to-volume ratio, which helps them retain heat.
   * **Efficient Circulation**: Birds have a highly specialized circulatory system with **countercurrent heat exchange** (similar to how arctic animals manage cold). Blood flowing to the extremities (like their feet) gets warmed by blood flowing back from their feet, reducing heat loss.

4. **Behavioral Adaptations**:

   * **Flying in Groups**: Migratory birds often fly in "V" formations, which reduces wind resistance and helps them conserve energy, thus limiting how much energy they need to stay warm.
   * **Altitude Regulation**: Some species adjust their flight altitude depending on the temperature. They might fly lower or higher, based on wind currents or temperature layers in the atmosphere.

5. **Oxygen Adaptation**:

   * At 33,000 feet, oxygen levels are much lower than at sea level. Birds, especially those like the **bar-headed goose**, have evolved to fly at high altitudes by having **specialized hemoglobin** in their blood that can pick up oxygen more efficiently even when it's scarce.
   * Their **lungs** and **respiratory system** are adapted to extract more oxygen from the air at high altitudes, so they don’t experience hypoxia (lack of oxygen) the way humans might.

### 🧳 **Other Cool Tricks**:

* **Fat Reserves**: Some migratory birds build up fat reserves before embarking on long journeys, which helps them stay insulated and provides energy for the flight.
* **Reduced Activity During Flight**: Birds don’t exert themselves too much at such high altitudes. They're usually flying at a steady, efficient pace, relying on thermals and favorable wind currents to help them conserve energy and maintain body heat.

So, while it's incredibly cold up there, birds have evolved all these incredible ways to stay warm and safe. Pretty remarkable, right?

Offline Stevelondon

The thing that gets me about this.

A bloke can park his car. Make his way through security (of sorts) at this airport and manage to get to a plane.

I’m thinking if he’s wearing a suicide vest or even has a concealed weapon on him.

How the hell did he get that far ?

Online finn5555

doesn't look like the engine was running, the other (nearest) one clearly was not
looks to me like he tried to climb in, slipped and banged his head in the fall

if it had been running, he wouldn't have fallen out of the engine front

they do run when sat idle albeit not at the same rate as in flight. Looks like it wasn't just him banging his head.


Online mr.bluesky

The thing that gets me about this.

A bloke can park his car. Make his way through security (of sorts) at this airport and manage to get to a plane.

I’m thinking if he’s wearing a suicide vest or even has a concealed weapon on him.

How the hell did he get that far ?

Exactly, he could have been a terrorist with a bomb . Blowing up a fully fuelled plane with passengers on board doesn't bear thinking about. :scare:

Offline RandomGuy99

Strange to travel all that way to throw himself into a jet engine. Must have been a fan of Frank Whittle.

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Strange to travel all that way to throw himself into a jet engine. Must have been a fan of Frank Whittle.

 :thumbsdown: that's a bit sick..
I hope a moderator sees fit to remove that remark. Suicide is nothing to joke about .
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Offline RandomGuy99

:thumbsdown: that's a bit sick..
I hope a moderator sees fit to remove that remark. Suicide is nothing to joke about .
Just a strange way to kill yourself when there are much easier and simpler ways to do it.

Offline chrishornx

:thumbsdown: that's a bit sick..
I hope a moderator sees fit to remove that remark. Suicide is nothing to joke about .

It is indeed