Girlfriend wants to work in a shop giving massage alongside extras...

[Doc Holliday]

OK it takes a lot to get my back up but I am quite annoyed at some of the comments, so I have decided this may finally be my hill to die on?

As a general rule my stance on this forum is to preach peace and ask others to avoid confrontation, as well as offering advice on topics which I feel my experience may be useful.

However, occasionally I pick up on ‘holes in stories’ which suggest the person is either fantasising or trolling or both. So, I delve and ask for clarification. This is one such occasion.

For some members to say it doesn’t matter if someone is making stuff up because we cannot verify it, I find astonishing. Reviews are the foundation of UKP so how does that principle fit with that?

To also say we shouldn’t question inconsistencies in posts in case the poster stops posting is equally flawed. Anyone who is genuine will be able to answer queries.

Starting a thread like this, asking how his GF can get into sex work, will always get a mixture of responses, the trouble is there are far better places to ask.

There's one site where only service providers can post and another where both SP's and SS's can post and chat between themselves all they want that would give them all the advice they would ever need.

Davie, yes he should have asked elsewhere, but he specifically asked for other punters input. PK gave him such advice, then the thread went at a tangent. I also later gave this same advice.

So initially I was curious if his girlfriend approved of him punting and asked. I then also picked up his use of ‘masseuse’ which seemed odd. Then I do what I often do and read posting history, which reveals his love of FBSM and in particular that he likes the provider to be accomplished in the art of massage as well as HE.

I also discover he has struggled to find this in the past and quote him. His last negative review was a month ago.

Now he informs us that he has a girlfriend who is not only a qualified massage therapist, but keen to provide sexual services, so I wondered why as recently as a month ago he was still posting asking for recommendations?

This all rang alarm bells, so I asked him for clarification on a number of points. I got no response. He chose to throw his teddy out instead.

He could still reply with valid explanations?

But instead I am told by some that it really doesn’t matter?

[puntingking]

Do you mean walking or working? And asking the managers what?

I mean walking as meaning in his gf can enter a fair amount of massage parlours and ask the managers about any job offers   

[RandomGuy99]

But instead I am told by some that it really doesn’t matter?

Because it only seems to matter to you. I couldn't care less if he is making it all up.

If it was a review, then I might care.

[quatter11]

I mean walking as meaning in his gf can enter a fair amount of massage parlours and ask the managers about any job offers   

So why can’t they work this out for themselves? I mean it’s hardly frigging rocket science and if it’s such a ‘dream’ of hers to massage and toss geezers off then surely this would have crossed her mind? Or maybe our budding masseuse is nothing more than a figment of the OP’s febrile imagination?

[JKOL94]

He could still reply with valid explanations?

But instead I am told by some that it really doesn’t matter?

Ask politely instead of making offensive accusations and you shall receive, but I'll do everyone in this thread a favour and forgive the prior offensive comments.

[Fuzzyduck]

Actually if you read it again most of the thread is about PK struggling to understand how the forum functions.

Including me, I make it four (possibly five) who are of the view he isn't telling the truth. His reply confirms it for me.

There are another four members who appear to believe him and have offered direct advice.

As for putting him off posting that is just not valid either. He is not a newcomer. He has 27 posts since he joined in 2021

FWIW Doc, I couldn't take the post very seriously. The use of the phrase "naughty masseuse" just smacks of fantasy or, as a minimum, it puts a question mark in my mind as to which party in the relationship has this "dream".

[MissWolf]

Ask politely instead of making offensive accusations and you shall receive, but I'll do everyone in this thread a favour and forgive the prior offensive comments.

Now you are just deliberately poking the bear with the intention of winding someone up, fwiw I also think its important that posts on here are truthful or it undermines the very fabric of the site, Doc was not rude nor did he make any offensive accusations,  he measly asked you direct questions,  if you can't cope with that then that says more about you than him

So I will also ask, does your GF know you punt and is she happy that you do so.

My advice would be for her to go independent,  there was a lady local to me who made a very good  ame for herself and a decent income as far as I'm aware, working from home doing massage and HE, she's also qualified as a massage therapist.

[JKOL94]

Now you are just deliberately poking the bear with the intention of winding someone up, fwiw I also think its important that posts on here are truthful or it undermines the very fabric of the site, Doc was not rude nor did he make any offensive accusations,  he measly asked you direct questions,  if you can't cope with that then that says more about you than him

So I will also ask, does your GF know you punt and is she happy that you do so.

My advice would be for her to go independent,  there was a lady local to me who made a very good  ame for herself and a decent income as far as I'm aware, working from home doing massage and HE, she's also qualified as a massage therapist.

I'm not willing to let her work independently as I feel it's far too dangerous for her to work alone. Which is why I suggested she start either in a shop or some kind of spa.

Not only does she know I punt but she enjoys them herself (with men of course). We both punt together and alone and it's a big part of our lives.

[MissWolf]

I'm not willing to let her work independently as I feel it's far too dangerous for her to work alone. Which is why I suggested she start either in a shop or some kind of spa.

Not only does she know I punt but she enjoys them herself (with men of course). We both punt together and alone and it's a big part of our lives.

Fabulous,  then why not answer like that when you were asked earlier in the thread and why not add that extra information to your OP 

[Waterhouse]

Has the OP changed his name from Gurds   

[finn5555]

I'm not willing to let her work independently as I feel it's far too dangerous for her to work alone. Which is why I suggested she start either in a shop or some kind of spa.

Not only does she know I punt but she enjoys them herself (with men of course). We both punt together and alone and it's a big part of our lives.

I personally think your in fantasy land 

[scutty brown]

But instead I am told by some that it really doesn’t matter?

Of course it matters
If this site is to retain its credibility we should be even more analytic and forensic. By the very nature of the subject we're reporting and discussing there's an opening for posters to easily indulge in fantasy, deception - and in some cases corruption.
Some of them we catch. I strongly suspect there's more that we don't. It's down to us who value this site to be aware, spot the errors and discrepancies - and ask pointed questions.
It's something we seem as a group to be less capable of doing than we were. We've lost many of the older members like VirtualWaster, JRC, James999 - and even NIK and I would agree that the forum has overall benefited as a result. But in losing them we've lost much of their ability to sniff out bullshit, bollocks and bunkum - and they were good at it.
I was reminded of this only this week in one of the Welsh threads when it became apparent that all the history of the problems with the South Wales agencies - notably Portfolio - had been forgotten. A history that we'd only realised after some bloody brutal questioning of dubious reviews and posts resulting in a host of bannings.
It worries me that we're potentially still exposed to that kind of disruption, but lack the skills to identify it

[scutty brown]

I'm not willing to let her work independently as I feel it's far too dangerous for her to work alone. Which is why I suggested she start either in a shop or some kind of spa.

Not only does she know I punt but she enjoys them herself (with men of course). We both punt together and alone and it's a big part of our lives.

So what are you going to do when she comes home from work and says "I sucked fifteen cocks today"

[scutty brown]

Now you are just deliberately poking the bear with the intention of winding someone up, fwiw I also think its important that posts on here are truthful or it undermines the very fabric of the site, Doc was not rude nor did he make any offensive accusations,  he measly asked you direct questions,  if you can't cope with that then that says more about you than him

So I will also ask, does your GF know you punt and is she happy that you do so.

My advice would be for her to go independent,  there was a lady local to me who made a very good  ame for herself and a decent income as far as I'm aware, working from home doing massage and HE, she's also qualified as a massage therapist.

Problem there is that ideally she needs someone to show her the ropes, teach her how to deal with unruly clients, how to say no to boundary pushers, how not to develop a relationship with a punter who seems a better financial bet than her current partner the OP.........

[JontyR]

Presumably you're in London? Which part would she want to work in?
Does she have any other skills - e.g. beautician or similar? Waxing?

Wax off more like.

Anyhoo, my first thought when I read the OPs post was "I wonder how long it will be before someone asks if it is half term this week."

[LLPunting]

Will Mods be monitoring his PMs to ensure he isn't generating business for his "girlfriend" by dispensing her phone number, taking bookings or enabling her business in some other way on the sly?

As has been noted more than once here, any long standing member who has perused the forum during their tenure will be aware that there are other sites for such a question to be raised on.  Raising it here amongst a community of "consumers" NOT pimps, masseuses and brothel keepers is a pretty bare faced attempt at attention seeking and business generation.

If you don't fancy being randomly hit up by another anonymous sweatbag wanting the number of your missus so he can pay for services or indeed be any of the threats very helpfully pointed out by RG99 in #40 then why publicise her (and your) intentions here?

[Doc Holliday]

Because it only seems to matter to you. I couldn't care less if he is making it all up.

If it was a review, then I might care.

I doubt being truthful matters to just to me. Now you are backtracking with reviews.

So I wake up this morning to this gem of a thread https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=430850.0

What is your view on that? You don't appear to have commented on that thread, which is unusual as you normally post everywhere.

[RandomGuy99]

I doubt being truthful matters to just to me. Now you are backtracking with reviews.

So I wake up this morning to this gem of a thread https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=430850.0

What is your view on that? You don't appear to have commented on that thread, which is unusual as you normally post everywhere.

because it's a work of fantasy and I don't need to comment on it.

[Doc Holliday]

Ask politely instead of making offensive accusations and you shall receive, but I'll do everyone in this thread a favour and forgive the prior offensive comments.

As Miss W says can you show me where I have been offensive to you in this thread?

[Doc Holliday]

because it's a work of fantasy and I don't need to comment on it.

Priceless

[JKOL94]

Will Mods be monitoring his PMs to ensure he isn't generating business for his "girlfriend" by dispensing her phone number, taking bookings or enabling her business in some other way on the sly?

If you'd like, I will personally inform you as to every one I receive as they come in so you can keep track, currently right now I'm at.... 0
So you can put that in your excel spreadsheet.
So there we go.

[Doc Holliday]

If you'd like, I will personally inform you as to every one I receive as they come in so you can keep track, currently right now I'm at.... 0
So you can put that in your excel spreadsheet.
So there we go.

As you have returned to the thread, is there any chance you could personally inform me where I was offensive? 

To assist you here are my posts (and yours) prior to your accusation.

Is she happy that you use such services? Just curious 

I was surprised he said she was a recently qualified 'masseuse'? This terminology is obsolete and I would expect her to use Massage Therapist?

Anyway if she wishes to go down the sex work career pathway, she would be far better asking on a forum for SPs. I cannot post the link 

Then there was this post two months ago?

So after a series of truly terrible FBSM experiences over the last eight months or so  I'm starting to get to a point of desperation of needing just one great punt to remind myself of why I got into this in the first place! I've realised the whole in and out on the dot with a bad attitude from the provider thing and clinic handjob with no massage training just doesn't do it for me anymore.

So I'm in a desperate need of a provider recommendation to get my faith in the scene and in FBSM in and around London restored, otherwise I'm going to start to fear for my sexual and spiritual well-being gentlemen..!

So why not give up looking and wasting money and stick with the girlfriend giving FBSM in the comfort of your own home etc?

You guys really do yourselves and this community a huge disservice when you make these wild claims because you make it so people like us don't want to contribute.

I know it might shock you that a woman confidently wants to get into this field out of her own accord, but that is indeed the case and your blatant sexism is on clear display right now.

Thanks to those that actually offered helpful advice.

What do you mean by "people like us"? Who has made sexist comments or suggested she is being coerced? You appear to have avoided answering any of my specific queries?

So if you agree I did not make offensive accusations, then perhaps you could now answer my questions as promised ..... please?

Ask politely instead of making offensive accusations and you shall receive,

[mr.bluesky]

Of course there's always those who will question his motives for helping his GF get into sex work.

Sounds more like her pimp than her girlfriend,  whats his take % going to be 

[shagmore]

To test the water why not book a cheap AirBNB for a few days, put an ad on AW or similar, stress its for massage with HE and what other services she wants to do.
This way she is in control of her own destiny,
At the end of the day - its not rocket science on how to go about this

[MissWolf]

To test the water why not book a cheap AirBNB for a few days, put an ad on AW or similar, stress its for massage with HE and what other services she wants to do.
This way she is in control of her own destiny,
At the end of the day - its not rocket science on how to go about this

Exactly this and if he's that worried about her safety then he can be in the house, say downstairs in the lounge while she is working.

They just need a system to alert him if she needs him

[Doc Holliday]

Exactly this and if he's that worried about her safety then he can be in the house, say downstairs in the lounge while she is working.

They just need a system to alert him if she needs him

That's not what he is seeking. I think he is saying he is looking to get her a job in a 'shop' where she can provide massages as her core business and possibly sexual services to some clients. This would provide her with a greater degree of security (assuming she isn't working alone) without him having to provide it. She also would have less need to advertise as customers would be provided via the existing business. By not wanting this to be an East Asian run establishment then this does limit the possibilities.

[RandomGuy99]

Women working at legit places who gives some clients sexual services end up getting fired as the owner quickly spots that woman A is getting 4x the bookings of woman B. The owner could even send a mystery client in to see what services they get offered.

[Doc Holliday]

Women working at legit places who gives some clients sexual services end up getting fired as the owner quickly spots that woman A is getting 4x the bookings of woman B. The owner could even send a mystery client in to see what services they get offered.

He is an experienced FBSM punter. I am sure he will already know this.

[Belgarion]

So my girlfriend who's recently become a qualified masseuse, currently has a dream of working as a naughty masseuse giving extras to clients who want them. We've been looking around for ideas, but unfortunately nearly all of my experience with these places comes as a client seeking a service, not as a potential naughty masseuse trying to get employed in a shop with generally safe management.

We were hoping some of you guys would be able to point us in the right direction. Ideally, I think not working in a Chinese or Thai shop would be best though as she only speaks English and Spanish and might stick out like a sore thumb!

I'll be more than happy to be a client and I am prepared to book her for an outcall service.

Share some photos and her contact details and I can help you decide if she has bright future in this business.

 

[Blackpool Rock]

I'll be more than happy to be a client and I am prepared to book her for an outcall service.

Share some photos and her contact details and I can help you decide if she has bright future in this business.

 

If he does that then it will be classed as touting

[90125]

If he does that then it will be classed as touting

 The pics would also need to be on a current advert. Private pics aren’t allowed.

[kingmg]

Sergei are you trolling?

[JKOL94]

That's not what he is seeking. I think he is saying he is looking to get her a job in a 'shop' where she can provide massages as her core business and possibly sexual services to some clients. This would provide her with a greater degree of security (assuming she isn't working alone) without him having to provide it. She also would have less need to advertise as customers would be provided via the existing business. By not wanting this to be an East Asian run establishment then this does limit the possibilities.

Hit the nail on the head. 

[puntingking]

I do wish the OP and his gf all the best with this. 

[webpunter]

So my girlfriend who's recently become a qualified masseuse, currently has a dream of working as a naughty masseuse giving extras to clients who want them

This [rather excellent IMO] track springs to mind
Shattered Dreams
By Johnny Hates Jizz
External Link/Members Only
You might like to try listening to the lyrics

If it wasnt for the fact that you are established on here & have just about done some reviews i'd be thinking the post is bollox
It would appear at best fanciful

A couple of Q;s

1/ OWO on the menu ?
2/ what about if she 'likes' some punters they rev her up & she decides penetration makes it onto the menu *

* I've never had this happen to me     My tip on RO is 'buffalo girls go round the outside' this can drive them nuts.  See where you end up 

Best of luck
& get yourself down to poundland to buy some cheap version johnsons
What can possibly go wrong ? 

[Doc Holliday]

Hit the nail on the head. 

I just read what is written, though it may not be all in the same post.

On that subject I also read this and what you are seeking for her would appear to be a compromise?

After this experience though, I think I've come to the conclusion that a massage shop that can offer both a genuine professional service and well skilled sensual massage in London just doesn't exist like many other more regarded Europen countries such as Spain, Portugal and Hungary. If you want something decent you really need to seek out someone independent or from a more professional and well respected and regarded agency; and be willing to pay in the hundreds for it.

There is still the elephant in the room though for me which casts doubt on your story and that is why if you are so disillusioned with the massage scene you continue with it, when you have someone in your private life who can provide it? You seem reluctant to answer this?

[JontyR]

Just a thought, if the GF has recently qualified, wouldn't it be reasonable to ask the provider of the qualification the best way of securing a job as a provider of massage services? I know there's the question about providing extras but whats offered is within your GF's control. Getting a gig at a non-Asian owned premises less so.

[RandomGuy99]

Just a thought, if the GF has recently qualified, wouldn't it be reasonable to ask the provider of the qualification the best way of securing a job as a provider of massage services? I know there's the question about providing extras but whats offered is within your GF's control. Getting a gig at a non-Asian owned premises less so.

Professional massues definitely don't like the linking of their career to sexual services.

[Doc Holliday]

Professional massues Massage Therapists definitely don't like the linking of their career to sexual services.

Corrected that for you

[webpunter]

There is still the elephant in the room though for me which casts doubt on your story and that is why if you are so disillusioned with the massage scene you continue with it, when you have someone in your private life who can provide it? You seem reluctant to answer this?

Its most strange
Another elephant, maybe the GF was looking for a way to ditch OP & couldn't think of anything other than to suggest that she's 'dreaming' of doing R&T stuff
Thinking the BF will go off at the deep end
It might appear to be a novelty however this IMO will be short lived
& the wheels will very most likely fall off
I've seen massage burds who have a partner where wifey does R&Ts [no oral no shagging] however there needs to be a set of circumstances which allow this to work
Not the case with a GF

I wonder how OP will explain away how he knows quite a bit [relative to most people] about R&T stuff   
Oooooh i got it from my mates on UKP 

I know no touting however an exception to the rule as a one-off would be a bit of fun
The parlour could be inundated

If in my manor i'd drop by for a laugh & see with a deft approach how far things can be progressed
Usaully takes more than one visit
The first being a reccy patrol
& i haven't got a scooby bout massage stuff, obvs 

[Doc Holliday]

I wonder how OP will explain away how he knows quite a bit [relative to most people] about R&T stuff   

I am sounding like a stuck record, but check if the answer may be there in black and white? 

Not only does she know I punt but she enjoys them herself (with men of course). We both punt together and alone and it's a big part of our lives.

[JKOL94]

If in my manor i'd drop by for a laugh & see with a deft approach how far things can be progressed
Usaully takes more than one visit
The first being a reccy patrol
& i haven't got a scooby bout massage stuff, obvs 

So you're essentially saying you would try to deliberately push her boundaries knowing what they are. Nice...
You give punters like us a bad name.

[webpunter]

So you're essentially saying you would try to deliberately push her boundaries knowing what they are. Nice...
You give punters like us a bad name.

You should try looking up what deft means
Its all a game
Your supposed GF will most likely be at the WSWS phase
Well thats what she's told you 

I've had it before when a masseuse has had her BF in the apartment [which she was paying for quelle surprise]
The previous session [BF out - working at B&Q maybe ?] included some noshing & an inadvertent CIM with a stray shot which caught us both by surprise
Where did that come from ?, i had no idea 
It was ssshhh BF in the other room whisper in the ear just happy ending more next time [yes please]
She was clearly fucked off with him [lazing around doing the square root of FA] and made this apparent
The following visit [he was out] i asked her what he does whilst she's 'massaging' me the answer was play on xbox or watch TV, bless

I mention its a game which works both ways
Assuming she likes whichever punter it is [likes more than other punters] the menu can change if the masseuse wants it to
'like' is a whole number of factors which you should know about [tho only a very limited no. of reviews so maybe not]
Pushing a masseuse's boundaries into something she doesnt want to do is likely to end badly & so it should do
Dont even suggest that i'm like this, you can off-you-fuck

As for giving punters like us a bad name you've kicked things off with this thread
Use of the word 'us' 
When you are looking up deft also find delusional
You're the one stupid enuf to start this thread

Anyways let us know how your GF gets along in her new job assuming she's starting
Dont forget to share with her your extensive experience on R&Ts & mention the help & support provided by UKP

When she gets back from work best not ask her questions that you dont want to know the answers to !
Maybe she'll take you on holiday / buy you a new car
Oops a bit expensive, new TV xbox air fryer ...

[Thephoenix]

I've only skimmed through the thread I admit.
Whether the OP is serious, delusional or a plonker, I'm not going to judge, but some of the replies are naive to say the least.

To many 'ordinary' folk, the idea that a relationship, married or otherwise, can at least work or even flourish, where one or both of the partners can provide fbsm with the knowledge and approval of the other partner, appears unlikely to say the least.
However over the years I've met a number of couples engaged in such arrangements.
I've actually got to become quite friendly with them and used their services individually and together over a long time.

Having said that I I would have thought the reaction to such relationships would be more broad minded on a punting forum, but it sometimes doesn't seem that way.

[sparkus]

So my girlfriend who's recently become a qualified masseuse, currently has a dream of working as a naughty masseuse giving extras to clients who want them. We've been looking around for ideas, but unfortunately nearly all of my experience with these places comes as a client seeking a service, not as a potential naughty masseuse trying to get employed in a shop with generally safe management.

We were hoping some of you guys would be able to point us in the right direction. Ideally, I think not working in a Chinese or Thai shop would be best though as she only speaks English and Spanish and might stick out like a sore thumb!

This isn't true.  There are Chinese shops in central London that have European staff, I'm thiniking the one in Angel, Grays Inn Road etc.  Even more Thai shops around all of London have the odd European on as well.

There are shops that are entirely multi-nationality e.g. Herbal Clinic in Cricklewood too.

[Doc Holliday]

So you're essentially saying you would try to deliberately push her boundaries knowing what they are. Nice...
You give punters like us a bad name.

Surely as an experienced punter you are fully aware that boundary pushing is endemic in sex work generally?

In the sphere of massage providers, then the thrill of what extras they may 'persuade' the SP to become available, is very much part of the attraction for many punters.

I would be very interested to know if anyone has any success in getting anything more than a hand release.

[webpunter]

Surely as an experienced punter you are fully aware that boundary pushing is endemic in sex work generally?

You've hit the nail on the head

In the sphere of massage providers, then the thrill of what extras they may 'persuade' the SP to become available, is very much part of the attraction for many punters.

Exactly
Persuasion happens all the time in everyday life & everyday business
So it aint gonna be any different with massage burds iz it
Even more skill required & its not always related to getting out extra folding
The best massage sessions can have unexpected stuff added [rarely on 1st visits] & with the very best nowt extra folding [more visits needed]
The massage burd has cast out the bait & has got a decent tug [usually also providing a decent tug too]
They decide some bloke seems like a better than average punter [numerous criteria] so why not lure him back the hook is firmly in 

Ocassionally the massage stars line up
You've gotta be in it to win it ...

The way i look at it it's like climbing Mount Everest
Not that i have done this or want to
You aint gonna do it in one go & if you do try you will end up brown bread
1st visit = get to & set up base camp up the moutain
& start plotting the route to the summit *
Even if you dont get to the top the climb can still be most enjoyable
Dont be a twat lose your footing or take on too much & fall off, so to write

* now who mentioned Khyber ?

[Doc Holliday]

As it would appear JK is not going to answer any of my queries, it would seem it is perhaps, from my perspective, time to wrap this up. I am also fairly confident I now know the real story behind the post.

My position remains, that if discrepancies and contradictions appear in a thread topic such as this, then it should be ‘politely’ challenged by others.

The person being challenged (and some others reading) may get annoyed, but if the author is being completely truthful then they will be able to satisfactorily answer and clarify. If they avoid or divert then it is likely they are not being truthful, either partially or completely.

For those who disagree with me and think everything should just be accepted as being the truth and without being suspicious, then it is of interest that the OP may disagree with you.

I have always wondered how many people make up stories like this to prank other users. I'm sure you're legit though. 

https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=359643.msg3702790#msg3702790

[LLPunting]

As it would appear JK is not going to answer any of my queries, it would seem it is perhaps, from my perspective, time to wrap this up. I am also fairly confident I now know the real story behind the post.

My position remains, that if discrepancies and contradictions appear in a thread topic such as this, then it should be ‘politely’ challenged by others.

The person being challenged (and some others reading) may get annoyed, but if the author is being completely truthful then they will be able to satisfactorily answer and clarify. If they avoid or divert then it is likely they are not being truthful, either partially or completely.

For those who disagree with me and think everything should just be accepted as being the truth and without being suspicious, then it is of interest that the OP may disagree with you.

https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=359643.msg3702790#msg3702790

 

[JKOL94]

As it would appear JK is not going to answer any of my queries, it would seem it is perhaps, from my perspective, time to wrap this up. I am also fairly confident I now know the real story behind the post.

My position remains, that if discrepancies and contradictions appear in a thread topic such as this, then it should be ‘politely’ challenged by others.

The person being challenged (and some others reading) may get annoyed, but if the author is being completely truthful then they will be able to satisfactorily answer and clarify. If they avoid or divert then it is likely they are not being truthful, either partially or completely.

For those who disagree with me and think everything should just be accepted as being the truth and without being suspicious, then it is of interest that the OP may disagree with you.

https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=359643.msg3702790#msg3702790

The questions you asked were all adequately explained in my initial post.