Adultwork: big changes

[Cheltclient]

It will be like the old days, dust off my Mcloys guide, cards in telephone boxes, massage parlours and glad I kept my porn DVDs in the attic.

It's all far too complicated and risky with data and tech, weirdly the only ones who will know how to get around it all will be Kids.

Agreed. As frustrating as it is, this will just be how some, like me, will have to do it. Will be like getting the paper and looking at the classifieds, like the old days.

[Cheltclient]

They can't assure that your account is being used by just one person nor that it hasn't been passed on since the last proof of age.  None of those compromises go away under new regime.  It's a BS system that won't prevent kids accessing adult content easily BUT it will fuck up the legitimate business and escapades of adults.

Exactly this. I don’t mind the spirit and intention, but it’s going to have no impact but will have an impact on SP’s trying to make a living.

[Cheltclient]

All you need is one data breach and Sergio has unlimited blackmail targets

That’s why I won’t use some of the options for verification. They get your data from the co op or marks and Spencer’s, bit good but not too risky. They get your data from AW or Porn Hub, the chance for blackmail is really high.

[LLPunting]

Just got verified by text to an age-verified phone and it was less than 30 secs and a few clicks so at least some of us are getting in properly.

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[Doc Holliday]

That’s why I won’t use some of the options for verification. They get your data from the co op or marks and Spencer’s, bit good but not too risky. They get your data from AW or Porn Hub, the chance for blackmail is really high.

Nobody will get your data from AW or Pornhub etc with regard to age verification as this is carried out by third party providers. You can verify your age by giving far less personal information than any account you set up online to purchase goods.

People are being far too pessimistic about this IMO

[kuck]

AW have done a poor implementation - I'm sure I noticed them live coding yesterday - debug points randomly appeared on their live site yesterday. They've hacked it in just in time.

And them choosing which images to protect seems to have been done completely randomly.

The problem with sites like xhamster is you watch one weird category once, and that's all they recommend, unless you delete cookies, and now login.

I think I'll be using Tor a lot more now. And I see ukp now works over Tor as well.

[paul_tall_]

That’s why I won’t use some of the options for verification. They get your data from the co op or marks and Spencer’s, bit good but not too risky. They get your data from AW or Porn Hub, the chance for blackmail is really high.

I don’t understand your logic , you just need an account not using your own personal email , you verify via a 3rd party verification platform . There shouldnt be a link that can make blackmail any higher than the risk you have when using your burner phone to contact providers on AW.
The Coop ok won’t have blackmail but the data stolen was the whole database and had identifying information that can be used to target people in other ways

[finn5555]

but will have an impact on SP’s trying to make a living.

Maybe, just maybe prices will fall 

[paul_tall_]

Ok so AW may have shoe horned in their implementation right before the deadline like most IT projects and there may be teething issues . At least the site is still there and probably compliant , we may not be happy at having to login , verify etc
It will remain to be seen over the coming weeks /months what will happen to all the independent sites be that an sp who has paid a company to put a site together and the web dev is no longer around will charge them to make amends  , agency sites etc where from quick glances through I can’t see any of them having implemented anything.

[RandomGuy99]

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The debate: Will the new rules for pornography sites do more harm than good? - BBC News

[Cheltclient]

Nobody will get your data from AW or Pornhub etc with regard to age verification as this is carried out by third party providers. You can verify your age by giving far less personal information than any account you set up online to purchase goods.

People are being far too pessimistic about this IMO

You are prob right. At first glance though last night, the other option was suggesting I would need to provide passport, driving licence etc. I confess, I do not know much about it

[Strawberry]

Ok so AW may have shoe horned in their implementation right before the deadline like most IT projects and there may be teething issues . At least the site is still there and probably compliant , we may not be happy at having to login , verify etc
It will remain to be seen over the coming weeks /months what will happen to all the independent sites be that an sp who has paid a company to put a site together and the web dev is no longer around will charge them to make amends  , agency sites etc where from quick glances through I can’t see any of them having implemented anything.

A few days ago I made a post about this, seems the rules only apply to platforms providing user interaction or pornography, so independent and parlour websites may not have to change anything.

I will find the post.

Post [reply] #312 July 20th.

[Cheltclient]

Oh I had a response from AW about the text but going through for verification. Apparently, they think it’s because the phone is not set up to reply to premium rate numbers. My burner phone has a simple pay as you go sim via Asda/Vodaphone. I top up £5 a month for texts and a bit of data. Any idea how you can respond to a premium rate number? I guess on a standard monthly contract it would just charge you. Not sure how to get around it with pay as you go

[scutty brown]

............ And I see ukp now works over Tor as well.

I thought that was being kept secret as none of the Admins had mentioned it...

[kuck]

I thought that was being kept secret as none of the Admins had mentioned it...

lol
or should I say oops :|

[globewindsailor]

General surfing for porn, images of 18+ ladies and anything "adult" just became a huge pain in the ass. The end of an era of the Internet.

[Doc Holliday]

lol
or should I say oops :|

It's no secret 

https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=252893.msg4306108#msg4306108

[LLPunting]

vS implementation is inconsistent, mostly seems to be forcing registration with Yoti.  They can f off with that approach, no chance I'm giving them photos of anything of mine.

[Mstar86]

Text wasn’t working with punting number through My Sudo.

So I just bought credits using a random made up name and an old credit card that I’m planning on getting rid of. My AW account has a random email attached so it’s Job done and now I can see everything with no personal details as you didn’t need to put postcode in for payment to go through!!

[Mr lovepants]

Nobody will get your data from AW or Pornhub etc with regard to age verification as this is carried out by third party providers. You can verify your age by giving far less personal information than any account you set up online to purchase goods.

People are being far too pessimistic about this IMO

XHamster was via age recognition

[scutty brown]

It's no secret 

https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=252893.msg4306108#msg4306108

That just mentions VPNs, not TOR

[Mr lovepants]

Just tried AW.
Just logged in and everything was ok

[paul_tall_]

A few days ago I made a post about this, seems the rules only apply to platforms providing user interaction or pornography, so independent and parlour websites may not have to change anything.

I will find the post.

Post [reply] #312 July 20th.

Hadn’t seen your post the other day , that’s interesting . I guess time will tell as to if any sites are picked up for say any naked pictures or wording about services.

[Doc Holliday]

That just mentions VPNs, not TOR

Yes but I am assuming the site could not be accessed using TOR browser before the VPN rule change? Or am I wrong? Never tried it?

[Doc Holliday]

XHamster was via age recognition

Yes they appear to be using Yoti. I just bypassed using VPN 



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[JamesScott]

  ***** VPN Norway works ***** 

[Waterhouse]

***** VPN Norway works ***** 

Until AW reads your post here.   

[vitalyztvvvv]

incase this is helpful to anyone...

i just got nordvpn, it works with unblocking pornsites. Hoever it doesn't seem to work on adultwork/kommons etc .I'm still stuck behind needing to verify my age and seeing lots of pixilated images.

I'm going to hold on for a while but seems like vpns are the way to go and i'm sure adultwork will switch to only doing it on UK IP addresses knowing most of us don't want to verify and give any personal information

[vitalyztvvvv]

i love you jamesscott. VPN norway does work!!!

[dafu1]

Don't  worry everyone. As soon as the MP's realise they have to submit a photo ID to look at the same smut as the rest of us they will be begging for this to be rolled back the minute parliament reopens.
 

Sure it's already mentioned but the majority of things I use so far setting VPN to anywhere else in the world makes this go away.

[Lucky Luciano]

One thing I’ve noticed now with AW,is that if you click on the SP’s ratings/feedback it takes you to the profile on the mobile site of AW. So you have to scroll down to locate the feedback. Whereas before you could see it directly.

[Mr Sinister]

vS implementation is inconsistent, mostly seems to be forcing registration with Yoti.  They can f off with that approach, no chance I'm giving them photos of anything of mine.

Yep VS is having a mare today, registration to the site just ain't working for me and on the Yoti side of things they cannot verify me as the live selfie function through their app can't tell if I'm a real person or not 

Funny I did the age verification on Reddit, took a under minute to do no issues

VS and prossies are going to be out of a lot of money over the coming weeks

[MysteryManNo.7]

General surfing for porn, images of 18+ ladies and anything "adult" just became a huge pain in the ass. The end of an era of the Internet.

Nope, just use a VPN. I've used one for years prior to this and it works like a charm the majority of the time.

[gentleman224]

Also just a heads up for those who don't want to hand ID/Personal information over. Currently going through it via text and so far the Hushed App works to receive the text from AW

Thanks for the info mate. I got text messages and code on my hushed phone but the verification failed. Trying to find other options to keep using AW.

[dafu1]

I use revolut as my questionable purchases money account and holiday spends, you can apple/google pay funds into it and buy some credits from there if the main concern is a paper statement ever showing up won't happen.

Also use it for sites I just flat out don't trust as you can get a new virtual card anytime alongside a single use.

[dafu1]

Thanks for the info mate. I got text messages and code on my hushed phone but the verification failed. Trying to find other options to keep using AW.

Just used Hushed and it appears to have worked for me. I set the provider to EE no idea if that is true or not. No confirmation to say all good just noticed everything is visible.

[filthyscotslover]

General surfing for porn, images of 18+ ladies and anything "adult" just became a huge pain in the ass. The end of an era of the Internet.

Just install the Opera browser mate. At the top it says VPN, just click it to "on" and away you go. You can even go into settings and change it so it starts the VPN as you start the browser. Took me about a minute to do. Im actually just gonna keep the Opera browser for adult stuff only. Might just bookmark all the sites i visit regularly so there all in the one place. Age verification is a pathetic joke

[Markc]

After seeing the changes AW have made to meet the new regulations l checked an escorts website
l use when l visit Manchester. Secrets Escorts still have clear pictures of the woman that work for them
with details and descriptions of them.

I not complaining about but just wondering how they are getting away with it.

Also l read on the escorts support website (SAAFE) last night that a lot of providers says they are very quite
and are hardly getting any bookings through AW this week.

[Strawberry]

After seeing the changes AW have made to meet the new regulations l checked an escorts website
l use when l visit Manchester. Secrets Escorts still have clear pictures of the woman that work for them
with details and descriptions of them.

I not complaining about but just wondering how they are getting away with it.

Also l read on the escorts support website (SAAFE) last night that a lot of providers says they are very quite
and are hardly getting any bookings through AW this week.

I made a post earlier with a quote and explanation of who the act applies to (reply #312), also mentioned it in a post today here it is again;

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Who the Act applies to
The Act’s duties apply to search services and services that allow users to post content online or to interact with each other. This includes a range of websites, apps and other services, including social media services, consumer file cloud storage and sharing sites, video-sharing platforms, online forums, dating services, and online instant messaging services.

The Act applies to services even if the companies providing them are outside the UK should they have links to the UK. This includes if the service has a significant number of UK users, if the UK is a target market, or it is capable of being accessed by UK users and there is a material risk of significant harm to such users.

[filthyscotslover]

A quick video of how to turn on the free VPN with Opera browser and bypass the porn ban incase anyone is not aware of it:

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[finn5555]

Also l read on the escorts support website (SAAFE) last night that a lot of providers says they are very quite
and are hardly getting any bookings through AW this week.

AW was working as normal until yesterday, so lame excuse really 

Also school holidays will impact bookings.

I am sure like me your heart bleeds for them 

[dafu1]

I not complaining about but just wondering how they are getting away with it.

It's been a few days so I wouldn't say they're getting away with it. What will likely be the case though is if the site owner is foolish enough to be based in the UK they will eventually see the wrong side of legal proceedings. The law attempts to reach beyond the UK but ultimately that will only be as easy as the location those operators are in. EU/US for example would likely cooperate with the UK to provide information and facilitate legal enforcement. But further than that they're on a road to nowhere.

However, I think the far more likely outcome here is that the Government will compel ISPs to block non compliant sites (which again can be defeated by VPN). Thats ultimatey going to be the extent of the reach in this I believe.

Very short term though big headache for punters and providers.

[britman]

Yoti age verification doesn't work.


I've created a Yoti account and have verified as being over age.


There's no way to link AW to Yoti. Brilliant. Looks like further testing needed.  I don't want my mobile number on the account and I don't want to spend money either...

[Strawberry]

It's been a few days so I wouldn't say they're getting away with it. What will likely be the case though is if the site owner is foolish enough to be based in the UK they will eventually see the wrong side of legal proceedings. The law attempts to reach beyond the UK but ultimately that will only be as easy as the location those operators are in. EU/US for example would likely cooperate with the UK to provide information and facilitate legal enforcement. But further than that they're on a road to nowhere.

However, I think the far more likely outcome here is that the Government will compel ISPs to block non compliant sites (which again can be defeated by VPN). Thats ultimatey going to be the extent of the reach in this I believe.

Very short term though big headache for punters and providers.

If you read the link/quote I have posted you will see the OSA most likely doesn't apply to agency and independent's websites.

[britman]

Oh - and I used Opera's VPN to try bypass AW's age controls. Doesn't work...

[kuck]

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The Act applies to services even if the companies providing them are outside the UK should they have links to the UK. This includes if the service has a significant number of UK users, if the UK is a target market, or it is capable of being accessed by UK users and there is a material risk of significant harm to such users.

I had o3 summarise the document. Then asked if a VPN service/tool that bypass filters falls within the remit of the this "law".
It says only if they host content, which is my understanding as well.

[Coriniumstud]

Have noticed now that I can’t read the SP’s feedback
Just says unexpected error

[MLawro93]

Have noticed now that I can’t read the SP’s feedback
Just says unexpected error

Auto sends to the new site, where you can view the feedback still. At least that is what happened to me.

Age verification process seems relatively painless, most of the users should be fine with the auto age estimation service provided by Yoti (I know Persona have a similar one). Fairly accurate - tested it with a fair few examples.

[petebelfast123]

This new age check law thing is a bit of a pain in the hole. I don't want to put in my details. Not sure about the rest of the sites but Adultwork blur out images until you have confirmed your age.

[JohnsonSchlong]

You can see images if you just log in