SPs who have smart doorbells

[Martinx]

I read a post online from a SP who mentioned in passing that she has a Ring doorbell.

Woudl this put guys off?  I completely understand why a lady would want one to enhance her security, but if it records your face as you stand on her doorstep, and I've read they are at least potentially hackable, then there might be a security concern for us punters too.

What do you think? (Please don't suggest wearing a balaclava!)

[RandomGuy99]

It is what it is. If you don't like it then don't book the SP. They are becoming more common.

They may well be hackable but it's unlikely that anyone is going to figure out which doorbell is owned by which SP and be able to say 100% that all her visitors are SSs.

[Chazz]

I wouldn't worry so much about the SP's doorbell, as about those of her neighbours, especially if she's in an apartment. On my road, every fucker's got one, and they all swap footage of any perceived ne'er do wells on the local WA group. Privacy? Not any more mate! 

[Maak]

Ring doorbells are very popular, many nosey neighbours probably always keep an eye on things going around in their street or apartments.

[finn5555]

Doesn’t concern me I would say just go have fun and not worry about it 

[mr.bluesky]

Carry an empty cardboard box and pretend you're delivering a parcel if you're that worried.   

[mrwhite]

But you aren’t worried about all the cctv, anpr and other cameras dotted around as well as the mobile tracking devices in your pocket that pinpoint where you are to a few meters and the increasing number of cars with smart tracking abilities that know where you have parked?

[fatboy]

Nah, bollocks to them all.
Now if the doorbell was fitted inside that would be a different situation.

[Mkhelen]

Would you prefer the guy bouncer instead ?

The law states I can't have a bouncer security maid staff as an independent worker

Only brothels agency and parlours have staff

Or gangs have multiple men one at each door and one in the kitchen sipping vodka playing cards waiting for your payment or a crowbar

To safeguard being attacked, robbed or raped ill keep the door bell cam to ID the guy who did it thanks

Just be a gentleman and you wont be saved and shared to the police

Disclaimer I make it clear and transparent on my website yes I have a door cam it gets wiped every day so does the memory stick and the back up on my phone .

Hacking can happen on your devices phones

Got more issues with banks being hacked than prostitutes sharing your mug to mates on Facebook or not allowed

[getsbettereverytime]

Carry an empty cardboard box and pretend you're delivering a parcel if you're that worried.   

If really worried put the empty box on your head when you ring the bell ( maybe cut 2 eye holes as well).

[Stevelondon]

If really worried put the empty box on your head when you ring the bell ( maybe cut 2 eye holes as well).

I always do.

I also carry a second box to give to the SP to wear.
Just in case I don’t fancy the look of her.


I’ll get me 🧥

[Thephoenix]

I don't mind the lady having a smart doorbell, as long as she's got a smart pair of tits.

[getsbettereverytime]

I don't mind the lady having a smart doorbell, as long as she's got a smart pair of tits.

Smart (door) knockers!

[shagmore]

Does not bother me one bit. This country, I think has more surveillance cameras than any other so why be concerned about an SPs Doorcam .
It's like most things if you don't have anything to hide then no issue.
By that I mean to the sp, most punters are hiding what they are up to, I mean in a criminal sense

[DastardlyDick]

I have a video doorbell, but it only keeps images for 3 days unless you actually save it to cloud storage. I've heard that after 3 days GDPR regs can come into play.

[myothernameis]

I read a post online from a SP who mentioned in passing that she has a Ring doorbell.

Woudl this put guys off? 

So the escort does not have a ring-door bell, so would assume, you would be ok, and go and see her, but wait.  All of her neighbors in the street have ring-door bells, so as you walk to the escorts door, there no worry on your side

Where I stay, there new house's that have been built, and the majority of the doors have ring-door bell, so you cant avoid them

[Rose_128]

I find that what wasn't at all acceptable ten years ago is now more of a commonplace. Deposits, bank transfers, door cameras etc. As always, the scene will adjust and in another ten years or less nobody will bat an eyelid.

[markballoon]

There's a well known apartment block in Liverpool and nearly every flat has one outside its door.  There's also one in the lift.  If security are watching me in the lift they must think i'm a magician.  As when i'm finished i get in the lift pull out my punting phone from one pocket and turn it off then replace it in that pocket.  Then i pull out my normal phone out of the other pocket and give it a quick check before putting it back

[PilotMan]

I have a video doorbell, but it only keeps images for 3 days unless you actually save it to cloud storage. I've heard that after 3 days GDPR regs can come into play.

There's no 3 day rule, you can keep images for as long as you feel is necessary. As an individual you don't have to abide by GDPR if the images are for personal or household use.

However an SP is running a business. So would be subject to GDPR.

Good luck with asking an SP for a data access request or removal 

[Thephoenix]

There's a well known apartment block in Liverpool and nearly every flat has one outside its door.  There's also one in the lift.  If security are watching me in the lift they must think i'm a magician.  As when i'm finished i get in the lift pull out my punting phone from one pocket and turn it off then replace it in that pocket.  Then i pull out my normal phone out of the other pocket and give it a quick check before putting it back

Is this the place in Walton?
If so I'd be a bit more careful. Security are clamping down on the mobile phones.


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[Atrueyorkie]

If I’ve ventured all that way a ring door bell is not going to put me off. If it really bothers you just knock on the door instead. Or call/text you’re outside if you’re worried about it capturing your face etc.

[DastardlyDick]

If I’ve ventured all that way a ring door bell is not going to put me off. If it really bothers you just knock on the door instead. Or call/text you’re outside if you’re worried about it capturing your face etc.

Those doorbells (I've got one) are motion activated at a range of about 30 feet - they can be "de-armed" but it's a bit of a faff as it has to be done via an app.

[RandomGuy99]

Just use one of these. You'll blend right in and draw no attention from neighbours

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Forgot to say, try not to walk into anything like lampposts, mail boxes, parked cars, groups of people or holes in the pavement.

[PilotMan]

A face mask, sunglasses and a baseball cap. Simple.



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[Atrueyorkie]

Those doorbells (I've got one) are motion activated at a range of about 30 feet - they can be "de-armed" but it's a bit of a faff as it has to be done via an app.

Yeah someone suggested a good one, wear a face mask

[pbrown355]

Fatboy suggests that if the doorbell was on the inside it would be a different matter. It certainly wouldn't function very well as a doorbell!

[JMitchell]

I read a post online from a SP who mentioned in passing that she has a Ring doorbell.

Woudl this put guys off?  I completely understand why a lady would want one to enhance her security, but if it records your face as you stand on her doorstep, and I've read they are at least potentially hackable, then there might be a security concern for us punters too.

What do you think? (Please don't suggest wearing a balaclava!)

it is quiet annoying however i don’t think the WG would share anyone’s face but i guess we don’t know that for certain and it is a factor that puts me off.

[RandomGuy99]

When you hear about the crazy stuff SPs deal with on a daily basis you can understand why they take precautions. If you don't do crazy stuff to an SP then you probably have nothing to fear from the camera being there. It might even be a dummy just there as a deterrent.

[Atrueyorkie]

When you hear about the crazy stuff SPs deal with on a daily basis you can understand why they take precautions. If you don't do crazy stuff to an SP then you probably have nothing to fear from the camera being there. It might even be a dummy just there as a deterrent.

I fully get the security aspect of it and support people being safe and taking precautions. Especially when we’ve seen previously banned members and weird and nasty people can be.

 But for the normal average joe who’s just trying to be in and out, and discreet, a camera is the last thing you wanna see

[DastardlyDick]

But for the normal average joe who’s just trying to be in and out, and discreet, a camera is the last thing you wanna see

Given the prevalence of CCTV systems, he's probably been captured several times before he gets to the SPs door. Unless you take something with you with your name and address on it to the punt and the SP gets hold of it somehow, having your image will do her very little good. It would only be of use to the Police if she made a complaint to them, then they may run it through their databases to try and find you.

[Atrueyorkie]

Given the prevalence of CCTV systems, he's probably been captured several times before he gets to the SPs door. Unless you take something with you with your name and address on it to the punt and the SP gets hold of it somehow, having your image will do her very little good. It would only be of use to the Police if she made a complaint to them, then they may run it through their databases to try and find you.

As someone who knows tech, an image is all you need to acquire more information

[RandomGuy99]

As someone who knows tech, an image is all you need to acquire more information

True, as you can now do face and reverse image searches on sites like Facebook.

[Mkhelen]

I fully get the security aspect of it and support people being safe and taking precautions. Especially when we’ve seen previously banned members and weird and nasty people can be.

 But for the normal average joe who’s just trying to be in and out, and discreet, a camera is the last thing you wanna see

Every single Agency , Parlours and massage shops have them

Any where there is a lot of cash flowing
Most average Joe punter think there anonymous but there not
They all have CCTV and don't promote or advertise having it
But they definitely have it installed 

[PilotMan]

Every single Agency , Parlours and massage shops have them

Any where there is a lot of cash flowing
Most average Joe punter think there anonymous but there not
They all have CCTV and don't promote or advertise having it
But they definitely have it installed

The tech is very advanced. There was a case last month of a paedophile getting caught after being on the run for 27 years.

"After other avenues had failed, Cheshire Police last year turned to a website that uses facial recognition technology.

It found him in seconds - in Thailand."

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If you're doing nothing illegal, you have nothing to worry about.

If you doing something immoral then my concern would be a rogue SP / Sergei who might try something. But do they have readily available and low cost access to the highly advanced tech or something that could identify you easily?

[Atrueyorkie]

The tech is very advanced. There was a case last month of a paedophile getting caught after being on the run for 27 years.

"After other avenues had failed, Cheshire Police last year turned to a website that uses facial recognition technology.

It found him in seconds - in Thailand."

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If you're doing nothing illegal, you have nothing to worry about.

If you doing something immoral then my concern would be a rogue SP / Sergei who might try something. But do they have readily available and low cost access to the highly advanced tech or something that could identify you easily?

I disagree, you don’t need to be a tech lord or jab access to “high tech” to acquire identify pieces of information. A guy down the road if he has a functioning brain can pull this information from an image. Like mentioned it’s just a simple two step process.

Like mentioned before there’s numerous sites for this, there is even sites that unblur pictures.

You could be a normal person, your fate/privacy is their hands depending how far they wanna go.

I disagree with the statement unless you’re doing something wrong you’ve got nothing to worry about, how many times has blackmail cases happened to people who just trying to go about their business.

Also the main thing is the erosion of privacy, for punting that’s key.

Another thing to highlight is data leaks. What if the image got leaked by hackers?

Some work places will definitely say it breaches code of conduct and would be grounds for dismissal.

It’s not as clear cut as you make it seem

[PilotMan]

I disagree, (It was a question, not a statement, nothing to disagree with) you don’t need to be a tech lord or jab access to “high tech” to acquire identify pieces of information. A guy down the road if he has a functioning brain can pull this information from an image. Like mentioned it’s just a simple two step process.

Like mentioned before there’s numerous sites for this, there is even sites that unblur pictures. That answers my question.

You could be a normal person, your fate/privacy is their hands depending how far they wanna go.

I disagree with the statement unless you’re doing something wrong you’ve got nothing to worry about, how many times has blackmail cases happened to people who just trying to go about their business.

That last statement is a contradiction.

Why would someone blackmail you if you were just going about your business. By it's nature Blackmail works on the principal that you have done something
illegal, wrong or immoral that you do not want others to find out about.

[southcoastpunter]

That last statement is a contradiction.

Why would someone blackmail you if you were just going about your business. By it's nature Blackmail works on the principal that you have done something
illegal, wrong or immoral that you do not want others to find out about.

but that is the issue for members here - most (especially those with OH's) would not want others to know about their punting activities and could potentially be open to some forms of balckmail. But i guess use of cams and recognition software is going to happen more and more whether we like it or not!

[Atrueyorkie]

That last statement is a contradiction.

Why would someone blackmail you if you were just going about your business. By it's nature Blackmail works on the principal that you have done something
illegal, wrong or immoral that you do not want others to find out about.

“ Why would someone blackmail you if you were just going about your business.” - Greed. They see or identify you’re wearing a nice expensive watch for example. A plausible indicator this person potentially has money.

Not everyone would think or say punting is wrong, but the vast majority will want to keep that private for privacy reasons and it could be exhausting to explain especially with non punting peoples thoughts on punting.

Bob down the road thinks punting is fine, nice little relief for him, but does bob want the whole street to know? No. Bob’s a private man.

[Atrueyorkie]

but that is the issue for members here - most (especially those with OH's) would not want others to know about their punting activities and could potentially be open to some forms of balckmail. But i guess use of cams and recognition software is going to happen more and more whether we like it or not!

Agreed, +1!

[PilotMan]

“ Why would someone blackmail you if you were just going about your business.” - Greed. They see or identify you’re wearing a nice expensive watch for example. A plausible indicator this person potentially has money.

Not everyone would think or say punting is wrong, but the vast majority will want to keep that private for privacy reasons and it could be exhausting to explain especially with non punting peoples thoughts on punting.

Bob down the road thinks punting is fine, nice little relief for him, but does bob want the whole street to know? No. Bob’s a private man.

In Bob's mind then he's doing something he feels is immoral / socially unacceptable.

If you have an OH, then same thing applies,  as I said.

The watch thing is stretching it a bit.

[DastardlyDick]

True, as you can now do face and reverse image searches on sites like Facebook.

Now I know why I don't use Social Media like FB etc 
If someone even was able to find out who I am etc, they'd quickly find out I'm not worth blackmailing.

[Atrueyorkie]

In Bob's mind then he's doing something he feels is immoral / socially unacceptable.

If you have an OH, then same thing applies,  as I said.

The watch thing is stretching it a bit.

Agree to disagree

[myothernameis]

Matt Allwright, new program Doorbell Detectives, Mon 2 June on bbc-01 at 14?00

Looking into Ring doorbells, and the crimes caught on them