Zara - Hijabi Girl Wembley

[Lorachoop]

Saw this review pop up, I was in the area and intrigued, so despite multiple red flags, decided to visit

UKP Review - https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=427787.0

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Booked with 2 hours notice. Maid so no bookings at my chosen time so its perfect.

I travel to this budget hotel and let them know I am coming.

When I turn up, I am told she is with another client and will be 10 mins.

After 10 mins, I get a text to come up to her floor. I am also told not to talk to staff, just come straight up.

I go to lifts and there is a member of staff waiting by the lifts. It's clear to me staff know whats going on.

When the lift arrives, he gets in but doesn't select a floor, and I can tell he is watching me to see which floor I go to. Just the 2 of us in the lift.

I select a different floor and then use the stairs to go the floor I wanted  (Not my first rodeo Mr Snoopy)

He never selected any floor.  Neither did he come out on the floor I got out on. He simply went back down again.

So that did make me a little hesitant as the last  thing I want is do a walk of shame in front of hotel staff or for them to come knock on the door mid-punt.

Anyhow, I turn up at her door. Knock multiple times but no answer. Standing in hallway like a knob.

As I am about to turn away, I hear her voice saying "You have to go, your time is up". Ffs she is still in there with a customer. So they called me up before the last one left.

So I go back down via the stairs and text the maid saying wtf! She is with a client.

Maid says no, she's free. Then says where are you, I cannot see you outside the door. Now the maid is pretending to be the SP. Haha wtf is going on!

Then she calls me and says send me a picture of where you are, so I know you are on my floor.

Now I am doubting if I am in the right building, right floor or have the room number wrong. I double/triple check everything and I am at the right place.   

I tell her I am outside her door, she goes OK. I am opening door.

I hear door unlock and open.

I make my way in as she is hiding behind the door.

when.....

wait for it!

I am suddenly frozen in my footsteps!

because, I nearly headbutted the guy about to walk out. Yes, the previous punter was still in the room and was about to exit when I nearly ran into him. 

He's like WTF, I am like WTF. We both smile and he does the walk of shame.

I am still dumbfounded as to wtf happened. I walk in, shes hiding behind the door, talking on the phone.

Girl from pictures, slim, very tall and wearing the same lingerie as per pics. She did look young, but I can't tell about the underage part as her face was covered.

Now within a split second I had to make a decision because by this point, it was clear that!

1. Hotel Staff are aware and can bust my ass
2. She is clearly doing back to back bookings
3. She hasn't had time to clean herself or washup
4. There is a clear lack of communication between her and the maid who keeps sending people up before she is even finished.
5. So there can be a knock on the door midpunt from a punter or the hotel staff
6. I will very likely be rushed and run into another punter on way out.

So considering all that, I put my health first (which was the biggest issue here) and walked telling her to stop doing back to back bookings and take hygiene seriously.

Even if its the best BJ/Deepthroat in the world, it is not worth this hassle.

I exit and found the last punter on the wrong end of the corridor, I tell him lifts are on the other side 

We both walk to the lift together and he starts laughing sheepishly. Doesn't speak much English but says I should go back. She is cheap and good!

I asked him if he enjoyed himself. He said Yes but suggested it was all in a rush and done quickly, but it was cheap as he did a 15 min booking.

He told me to go back again, but I told him that we all have different standards when it comes to this hobby. I will pass.

The original review and comments did suggest all of the above, but the dirty fuckers we are, we have to go and experience this ourselves! In the end, glad I walked.

Used the cash I saved to have an awesome dinner at a place I saw nearby!

As Always, YMMV



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[patelprat]

Shame, she looks hot.

But no way am I dealing with all that sort of shit. Who the fuck wants to run into other punters and others who know why you are there?

Certainly not for punters hoping for discretion. Plus she isn't cleaning herself up.

Thanks for posting.

[tantraman]

... I nearly headbutted the guy about to walk out. Yes, the previous punter was still in the room and was about to exit when I nearly ran into him.  ...

... it's crazy that in two reviews to date, and the same indiscretion happens ...

I leave, she opens the door, and there's another punter right in front of my face... Thanks.

[Garyhart]

What are the chances that it’s the two reviewers who bumped into each other? It’d be insane if it was someone else also involved in the head bumping

[Ron89]

Let’s be honest. She does back to back owo cim bookings with seemingly dodgy dudes for circa 10 hours a day. A dozen loads would be a kind estimate. It’s definitely no go territory. Can’t imagine she’s clean

Also when did £55 for a blowjob become cheap. Baffled by the demand for this one can’t lie

[MissWolf]

Sorry I really try to stay off reviews but

I'm more disturbed that this girl is stuck in a hotel room with someone else handling her bookings, with no idea who is coming or likely any choice over who she sees and when. She's heard telling a client he has to go and the maid is saying she can't see the client at the door, it's entirely possible the maid is in the room opposite keeping an eye to ensure she is not slacking.

I doubt reading this if she gets a chance to wash or the option to as the pimp is clearly stacking them up thick and fast, she looks like she hasn't had a decent meal in weeks and her chest is covered in red marks that look like she has been grabbed or roughly handled.

I feel quite worried for her welfare tbh

If this breaks the rules then I apologise but sometimes when someone looks from the outside it's easier for others to see it differently 

[Lorachoop]

What are the chances that it’s the two reviewers who bumped into each other? It’d be insane if it was someone else also involved in the head bumping

No chance as the guy i bumped into didn't speak English properly and also it happened at different times.

[Lorachoop]

Let’s be honest. She does back to back owo cim bookings with seemingly dodgy dudes for circa 10 hours a day. A dozen loads would be a kind estimate. It’s definitely no go territory. Can’t imagine she’s clean

Also when did £55 for a blowjob become cheap. Baffled by the demand for this one can’t lie

Exactly, and it was the main reason I walked when it became clear all reports of such behaviour are absolutely true.

[jamiekinkxxx]

Sorry I really try to stay off reviews but

I'm more disturbed that this girl is stuck in a hotel room with someone else handling her bookings, with no idea who is coming or likely any choice over who she sees and when. She's heard telling a client he has to go and the maid is saying she can't see the client at the door, it's entirely possible the maid is in the room opposite keeping an eye to ensure she is not slacking.

I doubt reading this if she gets a chance to wash or the option to as the pimp is clearly stacking them up thick and fast, she looks like she hasn't had a decent meal in weeks and her chest is covered in red marks that look like she has been grabbed or roughly handled.

I feel quite worried for her welfare tbh

If this breaks the rules then I apologise but sometimes when someone looks from the outside it's easier for others to see it differently 

+1

[Atrueyorkie]

Back to back bookings (poor/lack of hygiene) + pimp/maid + soulless eyes = red flags galore

[kasamaa]

Thanks op

Agree, too many red flags here

Honestly review much appreciated!

[jamiekinkxxx]

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[LLPunting]

A punter repeatedly telling you to go back?  Maybe he was a pimp getting his freebies in between punts.  If he did a 15 min and you were kept waiting 10 mins past time seems like they're over-booking and making punters wait their turn.

Gotta agree with MissWolf, this girl is being run ragged and recklessly and likely at risk.  Might be worth Lorachoop dropping a call to the trafficking or Vice tiplines.

[puntingking]

Sorry I really try to stay off reviews but

I'm more disturbed that this girl is stuck in a hotel room with someone else handling her bookings, with no idea who is coming or likely any choice over who she sees and when. She's heard telling a client he has to go and the maid is saying she can't see the client at the door, it's entirely possible the maid is in the room opposite keeping an eye to ensure she is not slacking.

I doubt reading this if she gets a chance to wash or the option to as the pimp is clearly stacking them up thick and fast, she looks like she hasn't had a decent meal in weeks and her chest is covered in red marks that look like she has been grabbed or roughly handled.

I feel quite worried for her welfare tbh

If this breaks the rules then I apologise but sometimes when someone looks from the outside it's easier for others to see it differently 

I would normally agree with you here, But the sp didn't take her bra off in one of her reviews.
she seemed confident in saying "no" to such things that she doesn't want to do which indicate to me that she is in control of things 

The first review, she refused to take her hijab off and seemed to be stern in saying "no". Another reason she looks like she is confident, assured and safe in saying "no" to things.

I disagree with the whole idea of pimps and managers when it comes to sex work but if she is happy then its up to her I guess. 

you can't always be 100% sure but I am 90% sure that she is not being forced in any way. 

[Garyhart]

I would normally agree with you here, But the sp didn't take her bra off in one of her reviews.
she seemed confident in saying "no" to such things that she doesn't want to do which indicate to me that she is in control of things 

The first review, she refused to take her hijab off and seemed to be stern in saying "no". Another reason she looks like she is confident, assured and safe in saying "no" to things.

I disagree with the whole idea of pimps and managers when it comes to sex work but if she is happy then its up to her I guess. 

you can't always be 100% sure but I am 90% sure that she is not being forced in any way. 

This point you’re making sounds weak. Based on what I’m reading, it sounds like she’s saying no to hide something rather than because she’s confident. She doesn’t even know who’s about to open the door next, and isn’t allowed to find 5 mins to refresh herself and you seriously think it’s not a sign of exploitation?

[puntingking]

This point you’re making sounds weak. Based on what I’m reading, it sounds like she’s saying no to hide something rather than because she’s confident. She doesn’t even know who’s about to open the door next, and isn’t allowed to find 5 mins to refresh herself and you seriously think it’s not a sign of exploitation?

I said I am 90% sure that it is not 

I have not been to see her, but reading from the review of the other member (which was a positive rating) it doesn't sound like she is being forced to me.

That is all I can say, But if the op who have seen her feels it could be then to clear his conscience then he may want to report it 

[Bartolomeo]

Sorry I really try to stay off reviews but

I'm more disturbed that this girl is stuck in a hotel room with someone else handling her bookings, with no idea who is coming or likely any choice over who she sees and when. She's heard telling a client he has to go and the maid is saying she can't see the client at the door, it's entirely possible the maid is in the room opposite keeping an eye to ensure she is not slacking.

I doubt reading this if she gets a chance to wash or the option to as the pimp is clearly stacking them up thick and fast, she looks like she hasn't had a decent meal in weeks and her chest is covered in red marks that look like she has been grabbed or roughly handled.

I feel quite worried for her welfare tbh

If this breaks the rules then I apologise but sometimes when someone looks from the outside it's easier for others to see it differently 

I agree. I feel sorry for this girl. It sounds like this so called maid is a controlling pimp.

[scutty brown]

Sorry I really try to stay off reviews but

I'm more disturbed that this girl is stuck in a hotel room with someone else handling her bookings, with no idea who is coming or likely any choice over who she sees and when. She's heard telling a client he has to go and the maid is saying she can't see the client at the door, it's entirely possible the maid is in the room opposite keeping an eye to ensure she is not slacking.

I doubt reading this if she gets a chance to wash or the option to as the pimp is clearly stacking them up thick and fast, she looks like she hasn't had a decent meal in weeks and her chest is covered in red marks that look like she has been grabbed or roughly handled.

I feel quite worried for her welfare tbh

If this breaks the rules then I apologise but sometimes when someone looks from the outside it's easier for others to see it differently 

I agree with everything you say.
I also reiterate my comment on the other thread about this girl being potentially underage
This is another good example where a call to the police is required:
potentially underage
looks underfed
what are the scratch marks on her skin?
someone else controlling the bookings
back-to-back bookings
unlikely personal history : "Ethnicity Arab" but "Nationality Indian"
all adds up to a high risk of exploitation. In my view it needs a call to the police requesting intervention

[Garyhart]

I agree with everything you say.
I also reiterate my comment on the other thread about this girl being potentially underage
This is another good example where a call to the police is required:
potentially underage
looks underfed
what are the scratch marks on her skin?
someone else controlling the bookings
back-to-back bookings
unlikely personal history : "Ethnicity Arab" but "Nationality Indian"
all adds up to a high risk of exploitation. In my view it needs a call to the police requesting intervention

+1

[scutty brown]

........snip............
all adds up to a high risk of exploitation. In my view it needs a call to the police requesting intervention

And just to clarify something which should be obvious but may not be.......
the only punters who can usefully report this to the police are those who have actually seen her, and have the full address details including the apartment/room number

[puntingking]

And just to clarify something which should be obvious but may not be.......
the only punters who can usefully report this to the police are those who have actually seen her, and have the full address details including the apartment/room number

and it is also up to their judgement to do what they feel its best. 

[scutty brown]

and it is also up to their judgement to do what they feel its best. 

Unfortunately it doesn't work that way. A large proportion of punters wouldn't recognise a case of trafficking or exploitation if it was staring them in the face. Personal "judgement" often does not work.
It's simple: if there's a hint of trafficking, exploitation, or modern slavery (because that's what it is) report it. Let the police sort it out. If they go there and find a case then you've saved someone. If they don't then no harm done, the girl can carry on as before.
Too often "personal judgement" is used as an excuse for avoiding personal responsibility

[Garyhart]

Unfortunately it doesn't work that way. A large proportion of punters wouldn't recognise a case of trafficking or exploitation if it was staring them in the face. Personal "judgement" often does not work.
It's simple: if there's a hint of trafficking, exploitation, or modern slavery (because that's what it is) report it. Let the police sort it out. If they go there and find a case then you've saved someone. If they don't then no harm done, the girl can carry on as before.
Too often "personal judgement" is used as an excuse for avoiding personal responsibility

Without being rude, it’s fair to say punting’king’ is in a case of denial and trying to play devils advocate over what is, in my and many others opinion, a clear-cut case of exploitation. The whole situation over both reviews are extremely sketchy and make for worrying reading. Sad to say that we share a forum with those who will try and water these sad situations down in the name of ‘she’s being confident’

[MissWolf]

I agree with everything you say.
I also reiterate my comment on the other thread about this girl being potentially underage
This is another good example where a call to the police is required:
potentially underage
looks underfed
what are the scratch marks on her skin?
someone else controlling the bookings
back-to-back bookings
unlikely personal history : "Ethnicity Arab" but "Nationality Indian"
all adds up to a high risk of exploitation. In my view it needs a call to the police requesting intervention

Thank you

As an SP on here it can be hard to put your head above the parapet and risk getting shot down, and as i said I try and stay off reviews but sometimes I just can't and have to say something.
This young girl has been in more than one location already it seems so moving her round quickly is also a red flag for me.
I very much doubt that she even has a set of street clothing in the hotel room or flat while she is working and so far has only one set of underwear, that's not normal.

[scutty brown]

Thank you

As an SP on here it can be hard to put your head above the parapet and risk getting shot down, and as i said I try and stay off reviews but sometimes I just can't and have to say something.
This young girl has been in more than one location already it seems so moving her round quickly is also a red flag for me.
I very much doubt that she even has a set of street clothing in the hotel room or flat while she is working and so far has only one set of underwear, that's not normal.

I hadn't picked up on the one set of underwear, but yeah I've seen the same in other cases of exploitation where all the girl had to wear was the knickers she opened the door in - everything else had been taken away by the pimp to reduce the chances of running away. It's a big red flag

[Jazzy99]

Some red flags there for sure. She is a STI risk, if she does not remove her hijab and let you see her face. Could be on a full blown HSV-1 breakout and potentially pass it on to you during BJ.

[Garyhart]

Some red flags there for sure. She is a STI risk, if she does not remove her hijab and let you see her face. Could be on a full blown HSV-1 breakout and potentially pass it on to you during BJ.

Very good point or she could even be underage………either way it’s very suspicious. I’ve met girls who wear hijab but their face was visible and there’s no way I would’ve proceeded if I couldn’t see who I was paying. The game itself is risky let alone when there’s variables such as a sketchy pimp or set up

[Midnight_Peeler]

No offence but there seems like a lot of speculation and conspiracy here. What makes you think she wants to be hygienic or doesn't want back to back bookings or anything that is currently being done? Maybe she just has really low standards and doesn't care... Maybe she's telling the maid to get her as many bookings as possible?

I paid her a revisit not long ago, and I specifically told the maid, don't send me up when someone else is up there. They waited until they were gone and told me to go up. As I was let in, the door opposite started to open, couldn't tell who it was, maybe the maid or just a coincidence?

Now.. it's not all "positive".
I told the maid I wanted an hour. She "Zara" had to check if an hour was okay.. so she didn't even know before hand. She offered me to hand over money after the punt, in case it had to be less time.
She doesn't even know what's on her profile. I asked her age which she refused to give, but asked what was on the profile.
After the session finished I used the bathroom to clean up (which had no tissue, only paper towels), for which she offered fresh towels, but the toilet was a bit filthy... but almost as if someone had thrown up in there (not saying it was that or even that it was her, who knows).
And of course, when I left, someone in my face again.

I've seen her twice, and probably for the last time. I don't get the sense she's being exploited but I could be wrong. I think she just doesn't care, even though she does seem to enjoy the punt.
Probably for the last time since I'm tired of walking into other punters, and despite her telling me it's an "escort friendly" hotel I don't think it's punter friendly as the staff will, if not already, get suspicious of what's going on. Pity since personally I think she gives a great bj.

[scutty brown]

that doesn't improve anything, it just makes the situation sound worse.
It reinforces my comment that police involvement is required - everything still points to the girl being exploited

[MLawro93]

No offence but there seems like a lot of speculation and conspiracy here. What makes you think she wants to be hygienic or doesn't want back to back bookings or anything that is currently being done? Maybe she just has really low standards and doesn't care... Maybe she's telling the maid to get her as many bookings as possible?

I paid her a revisit not long ago, and I specifically told the maid, don't send me up when someone else is up there. They waited until they were gone and told me to go up. As I was let in, the door opposite started to open, couldn't tell who it was, maybe the maid or just a coincidence?

Now.. it's not all "positive".
I told the maid I wanted an hour. She "Zara" had to check if an hour was okay.. so she didn't even know before hand. She offered me to hand over money after the punt, in case it had to be less time.
She doesn't even know what's on her profile. I asked her age which she refused to give, but asked what was on the profile.
After the session finished I used the bathroom to clean up (which had no tissue, only paper towels), for which she offered fresh towels, but the toilet was a bit filthy... but almost as if someone had thrown up in there (not saying it was that or even that it was her, who knows).
And of course, when I left, someone in my face again.

I've seen her twice, and probably for the last time. I don't get the sense she's being exploited but I could be wrong. I think she just doesn't care, even though she does seem to enjoy the punt.
Probably for the last time since I'm tired of walking into other punters, and despite her telling me it's an "escort friendly" hotel I don't think it's punter friendly as the staff will, if not already, get suspicious of what's going on. Pity since personally I think she gives a great bj.

So you say that in bold, and then what you detail from your own experience would say something else?

What with someone else using one point out of a sea of red flags to perhaps say 90% no one is being exploited here. It is a bit daft to be honest.

Probably just some fellas on here uncomfortable acknowledging they intentionally looked past the red flags in order to get off. So they may have played a part in exploiting someone. Did they want to? I would say no, but did they, perhaps...

In any case, if you walk away from an experience and something else is really off, do your part and report it. Don't just ignore it and try to decide why they aren't being exploited, because in this case, there are so many red flags.

[Midnight_Peeler]

that doesn't improve anything, it just makes the situation sound worse.
It reinforces my comment that police involvement is required - everything still points to the girl being exploited

I'm not necessarily trying to "improve" anything, just providing more information. You could be completely right or completely wrong.
But as I understand it, 2-3 people (here) have seen her, of which 2 have actually spent time with her and don't see any evidence she's being "exploited" (I may be wrong on those numbers). Yet everyone else who hasn't seen her, does see it somehow. I just don't understand where the evidence comes from.

The main factor seems to be back to back bookings and hygiene. Doesn't spell exploitation for me.

Additionally, a hotel with plenty of staff walking around is probably the worse place to exploit someone. Although not impossible.

[MLawro93]

I'm not necessarily trying to "improve" anything, just providing more information. You could be completely right or completely wrong.
But as I understand it, 2-3 people (here) have seen her, of which 2 have actually spent time with her and don't see any evidence she's being "exploited" (I may be wrong on those numbers). Yet everyone else who hasn't seen her, does see it somehow. I just don't understand where the evidence comes from.

The main factor seems to be back to back bookings and hygiene. Doesn't spell exploitation for me.

Additionally, a hotel with plenty of staff walking around is probably the worse place to exploit someone. Although not impossible.

Exploitation, modern day slavery, etc - all this happens in plain sight. When in doubt, just report, and leave it to the police to determine what is what. Nothing more we can do.

[Garyhart]

I'm not necessarily trying to "improve" anything, just providing more information. You could be completely right or completely wrong.
But as I understand it, 2-3 people (here) have seen her, of which 2 have actually spent time with her and don't see any evidence she's being "exploited" (I may be wrong on those numbers). Yet everyone else who hasn't seen her, does see it somehow. I just don't understand where the evidence comes from.

The main factor seems to be back to back bookings and hygiene. Doesn't spell exploitation for me.

Additionally, a hotel with plenty of staff walking around is probably the worse place to exploit someone. Although not impossible.

Not trying to question your intelligence but you do understand why those who’ve seen her are more likely to claim there’s nothing wrong? No one would want to have it on their conscience that they saw someone being exploited. Easier to be in denial (not saying they are) than to look at the situation they were in from an objective standpoint and say it for what most people from the outside looking in (who weren’t directly involved in the situation) for what it is.

We’re only going off the information they told us and is gives up more red flags than green ones. I’m sure if authorities read all these reviews and this one, this is one which would ring alarm bells based on many different points others have fleshed out

[Midnight_Peeler]

Not trying to question your intelligence but you do understand why those who’ve seen her are more likely to claim there’s nothing wrong? No one would want to have it on their conscience that they saw someone being exploited. Easier to be in denial (not saying they are) than to look at the situation they were in from an objective standpoint and say it for what most people from the outside looking in (who weren’t directly involved in the situation) for what it is.

We’re only going off the information they told us and is gives up more red flags than green ones. I’m sure if authorities read all these reviews and this one, this is one which would ring alarm bells based on many different points others have fleshed out

You may have a point, but if someone reading these reviews think someone else is being exploited, they could easily get the location information and report it, for which I wouldn't suggest they shouldn't. Perhaps someone is seeing something I'm not.
However, I've seen her twice, and I don't believe she is being exploited because I see no suggestion of it. Just low standards.

[scutty brown]

You may have a point, but if someone reading these reviews think someone else is being exploited, they could easily get the location information and report it, for which I wouldn't suggest they shouldn't. Perhaps someone is seeing something I'm not.
However, I've seen her twice, and I don't believe she is being exploited because I see no suggestion of it. Just low standards.

And the highlighted section is the inherent fallacy of the argument.
Unless you've seen the girl and know which building / flat / room she's in it's impossible to give the police useful information. They need to know exactly where she is - they can't raid a whole street, or block of flats, or a whole hotel. They need specific location data. That means those making the review need to make the report. It's about time more punters accepted some responsibility and recognised the key role we play in all this - and learnt to recognise the symptoms.
In this particular case "low standards" are one of the key triggers that should be making you look for other issues. Low standards and trafficking often go hand-in-hand

[iq129]

Regardless of exploitation, the OP had a terrible time and he must have gone through so much stress. I offer my utmost sympathy to the OP.

[Garyhart]

And the highlighted section is the inherent fallacy of the argument.
Unless you've seen the girl and know which building / flat / room she's in it's impossible to give the police useful information. They need to know exactly where she is - they can't raid a whole street, or block of flats, or a whole hotel. They need specific location data. That means those making the review need to make the report. It's about time more punters accepted some responsibility and recognised the key role we play in all this - and learnt to recognise the symptoms.
In this particular case "low standards" are one of the key triggers that should be making you look for other issues. Low standards and trafficking often go hand-in-hand

Most crucial point. That’s why it’s never surprising when those Eastern European houses get raided. I can’t be bothered to look for the specific posts but these are also houses which many punters have visited and most likely reviewed, but will turn a blind eye to when they realised they also played a part in it. Key features are often what was mentioned prior regarding low standards, especially when the woman hasn’t even got a clue as to who’s about to open the door next or what’s written on ‘her’ profile, not to mention the fact that she doesn’t even have 5 minutes to freshen up.


It’s the same reason why I avoid extremely run down houses which are overcrowded with women and line ups. The structure of it just screams trafficking in all honesty

[MissWolf]

For those of you trying to brush this off, make out its not happening,  they can't see a problem,  not their responsibility etc

Please take a step back and look at it from a different angle, if this was a member of your family, a young woman related to you or your best mates daughter,  ask yourself, would you want someone to report it, to step up and do something about it?

Even if when the anti trafficking squad made a welfare check or raided the property/room found nothing wrong, surely that would be better than doing nothing.

[jamiekinkxxx]

For those of you trying to brush this off, make out its not happening,  they can't see a problem,  not their responsibility etc

Please take a step back and look at it from a different angle, if this was a member of your family, a young woman related to you or your best mates daughter,  ask yourself, would you want someone to report it, to step up and do something about it?

Even if when the anti trafficking squad made a welfare check or raided the property/room found nothing wrong, surely that would be better than doing nothing.

This!!!!!


Read and learn guys!

[Midnight_Peeler]

No one is trying to brush anything off. All I'm simply saying is, from what I can tell, I'm actually the only person who has spent time with her and talked to her, while everyone else is throwing speculation.
I'm not sure why but you've all said things like:
"Stuck in a hotel room" - What makes you think she's stuck?
"Looks underfed" - She has an incredibly fit body, she told me she used to exercise before starting this work.
"This young girl has been in more than one location already it seems so moving her round quickly" - Where did you get this information from? Both me and the OP have only seen her in one location.

If you seriously believe this girl is being trafficked or exploited and you think it's worth reporting, you could easily text the number, "arrange a time", say you're there and get the door number, while never taking a step outside and report it to the police based on the information you've heard in this thread. In my case, I got the door number before I even step foot in the hotel, yet there's no way they could of known I was there. And I highly encourage you to do so, because I actually share the same concern empathy you do, but not for this SP because I see no signs she's doing this against her will.

Seems to me some of you are convinced this is a case of exploitation. Even if you couldn't get the exact location (Which I doubt) you could still inform the police of your suspicions, provide the advert/phone number and they can carry out their investigations.

[LauraHoD]

Police should be informed and then they can do a welfare check themselves. They are trained to ask certain questions which can determine if the girl is being forced or held somewhere against their will without directly asking them. If they do their job correctly that is.  I have been "welfare checked" myself and the officer was explaining why they ask certain unusual questions.
   It does annoy me when I see people writing negative reviews for women they suspect might be trafficked or coerced. If you have time to write a review you have time to make an anonymous tip off to police. Then it's up to them to decide if she is in danger or not. Even if she is not being exploited I might make her rethink the way she is working.

[scutty brown]

............. Even if you couldn't get the exact location (Which I doubt) you could still inform the police of your suspicions, provide the advert/phone number and they can carry out their investigations.

What investigations can they carry out? A fake booking like you describe has several legal problems - not least if the police make a booking to see an escort who is believed or suspected to be trafficked: they can't make a booking to carry out an illegal act.
Without an exact address there is nothing they can significantly do.
And the best person to provide that address is the punter who provided the review. Suggesting someone else should do it is just passing the buck on responsibility

[Garyhart]

What investigations can they carry out? A fake booking like you describe has several legal problems - not least if the police make a booking to see an escort who is believed or suspected to be trafficked: they can't make a booking to carry out an illegal act.
Without an exact address there is nothing they can significantly do.
And the best person to provide that address is the punter who provided the review. Suggesting someone else should do it is just passing the buck on responsibility

This is exactly why they’re claiming that it’s not exploitation and dumbing down the situation. She could’ve been battered and bruised visibly and there are punters here who would try and explain it away as “just a fall”. Some people’s posts have genuinely been shocking to read

[MissWolf]

No one is trying to brush anything off. All I'm simply saying is, from what I can tell, I'm actually the only person who has spent time with her and talked to her, while everyone else is throwing speculation.
I'm not sure why but you've all said things like:
"Stuck in a hotel room" - What makes you think she's stuck?
"Looks underfed" - She has an incredibly fit body, she told me she used to exercise before starting this work.
"This young girl has been in more than one location already it seems so moving her round quickly" - Where did you get this information from? Both me and the OP have only seen her in one location.

If you seriously believe this girl is being trafficked or exploited and you think it's worth reporting, you could easily text the number, "arrange a time", say you're there and get the door number, while never taking a step outside and report it to the police based on the information you've heard in this thread. In my case, I got the door number before I even step foot in the hotel, yet there's no way they could of known I was there. And I highly encourage you to do so, because I actually share the same concern empathy you do, but not for this SP because I see no signs she's doing this against her will.

Seems to me some of you are convinced this is a case of exploitation. Even if you couldn't get the exact location (Which I doubt) you could still inform the police of your suspicions, provide the advert/phone number and they can carry out their investigations.

I'm not here to argue with you, you said given door number,  which tends to be used to refer to a house or flat as opposed to given room number when referring to a hotel, that is why I as others have the impression she has been in more than one location.

You had a 30 min booking which was by your review,  quite full with action, yet every time you post you talked to her about something else, you keep adding all kinds of information you seem to have discussed with her to prove she's not trafficked or doing this under duress, I don't know how you fitted so much in,  that is just making it seem like you know there is an issue and are trying to deflect.

I'm done or I will get a rap on the knuckles for being antagonistic

The only person who can report this are the people who have actually seen this girl.

[Midnight_Peeler]

What investigations can they carry out? A fake booking like you describe has several legal problems - not least if the police make a booking to see an escort who is believed or suspected to be trafficked: they can't make a booking to carry out an illegal act.
Without an exact address there is nothing they can significantly do.
And the best person to provide that address is the punter who provided the review. Suggesting someone else should do it is just passing the buck on responsibility

Your first bold point. I'm sorry but that is absolute nonsense. Exactly what legal problems would you encounter from obtaining the address of someone you believe is being exploited?
Your second bold point. This is literally what you're doing. You believe the situation is exploitation, and that a report should be done, but it's the responsibility of someone else (who doesn't believe it's exploitation) to do a report, all because you don't have the location.

[Midnight_Peeler]

I'm not here to argue with you, you said given door number,  which tends to be used to refer to a house or flat as opposed to given room number when referring to a hotel, that is why I as others have the impression she has been in more than one location.

You had a 30 min booking which was by your review,  quite full with action, yet every time you post you talked to her about something else, you keep adding all kinds of information you seem to have discussed with her to prove she's not trafficked or doing this under duress, I don't know how you fitted so much in,  that is just making it seem like you know there is an issue and are trying to deflect.

I'm done or I will get a rap on the knuckles for being antagonistic

The only person who can report this are the people who have actually seen this girl.

I'm not here to argue either. I respect your opinions and views but I don't share them.
A lot happens in 30 minutes. If I told you ever detail then it would be twice as long.
I'm not trying to prove anything. I'm just sharing my experience and my views on the situation.

I think this is also my last post before this gets overblown if not already.

But lastly, anyone can make a report. If you don't have the address, I encourage you to get it and make a report to the police, and even if you don't get it, you can at least TRY and make a report, and let the police handle the rest.

[Kev40ish]

I am a simple person and generally would try to help someone I thought was in distress.. it is difficult to comment if I have not met them tbh.
It’s easy to see what you want to see depending on your point of view, and your preconceptions.
There are a lot of cases that we have reviews on here we can pick holes in and find problems with.
“In the UK, having two or more sex workers or escorts in the same premises simultaneously constitutes a brothel, which is illegal to own or manage.”
“Massage parlors are not explicitly regulated by law, but they can be registered with a PSA Accredited Register to ensure good standards of practice. However, offering extras like sexual acts in the guise of a massage is a form of prostitution, which is not illegal on its own, but the act of operating a brothel is illegal. Therefore, while the act of prostitution is not explicitly illegal, offering sexual services in a massage parlor would likely be a violation of laws against running a brothel and related activities.”
 
I have met many escorts who have felt more secure being managed by someone, as they don’t feel equipped to manage their bookings themselves.

I have met escorts in the past that I have helped set up their own bookings and websites, as they were being controlled by others that were not looking after their best interests.

There are a lot of woman who need to become escorts, as they see it as the only way to help support themselves and their families / drug habit etc. Be they from the Uk or overseas. What I don’t like is women who are exploited, who don’t realise what they are agreeing to.

And what will happen to the victims you report? Probably returned to their country of origin, so not really protected. Only 2% of the traffickers prosecuted..

Anyone have the answer 🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️

[MissWolf]

I am a simple person and generally would try to help someone I thought was in distress.. it is difficult to comment if I have not met them tbh.
It’s easy to see what you want to see depending on your point of view, and your preconceptions.
There are a lot of cases that we have reviews on here we can pick holes in and find problems with.
“In the UK, having two or more sex workers or escorts in the same premises simultaneously constitutes a brothel, which is illegal to own or manage.”
“Massage parlors are not explicitly regulated by law, but they can be registered with a PSA Accredited Register to ensure good standards of practice. However, offering extras like sexual acts in the guise of a massage is a form of prostitution, which is not illegal on its own, but the act of operating a brothel is illegal. Therefore, while the act of prostitution is not explicitly illegal, offering sexual services in a massage parlor would likely be a violation of laws against running a brothel and related activities.”
 
I have met many escorts who have felt more secure being managed by someone, as they don’t feel equipped to manage their bookings themselves.

I have met escorts in the past that I have helped set up their own bookings and websites, as they were being controlled by others that were not looking after their best interests.

There are a lot of woman who need to become escorts, as they see it as the only way to help support themselves and their families / drug habit etc. Be they from the Uk or overseas. What I don’t like is women who are exploited, who don’t realise what they are agreeing to.

And what will happen to the victims you report? Probably returned to their country of origin, so not really protected. Only 2% of the traffickers prosecuted..

Anyone have the answer 🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️

I'm sorry Kevin but I find this post very unhelpful and as a moderator your posts carry a lot of weight, I know because I am one on my own site, this is not personal btw.

This has got nothing to do with the legality of massage parlours or brothels or escorts who choose to use the services of a handler to manage their bookings, thus is about a specific escort and to bring all of that in is to water down this discussion and say, it's ok to ignore all the blatant red flags.

The bold bit is also badly worded, nobody needs to do this but many like myself choose to, for a million reasons and you cannot say that this girl is not being exploited, but you imply it's not likely, that gives those not wanting to admit they may be wrong a get out of jail free card.

The last part is frankly disturbing,  if this girl is trafficked then going home to her family is likely to be very welcome not a bad thing, just because you don't think the 'victim' would want to go home or be put in a safe house, which is where most actually end up does not give you or anyone the right to dismiss this.

Do you have facts that you can show for your 2% prosecution rate? It's what would be asked of any other poster waving numbers about, surely 2% is better than 0% and that number can only increase if more punters like you guys here report what is suspicious.

Right it's been nice knowing you all as calling out a mod will likely get me banned and I'm sure I'm on  a hitlist somewhere lol but sometimes I have to stand up and be counted.

[daviemac]

I haven't read the whole thread but the gist of it sems to be about reporting suspected instances of escorts being exploited, I have always maintained that if a punter suspects an escort isn't working of her own free will it should be reported.

One of the few things a punter can be prosecuted for is having sex with a trafficked or coerced escort, having said that it's highly unlikely the person reporting would be prosecuted and even more unlikely if it reported to crimestoppers. One of the main considerations in a prosecution is public interest and it would not be in the public interest to prosecute a witness.

The more reports the police get about a particular place the more notice the police will take. They can only act if they know about it.

I can only speak for my area but I do know the police act on reports, there's been raids and prosecutions of Romanian traffickers and well as raids on Chinese massage parlours.

Police in our area also have dedicated liaison officers who deal with sex workers, I also know of several cases of them dealing with stalkers and abusive punters.

Better to report than ignore.

[Garyhart]

I haven't read the whole thread but the gist of it sems to be about reporting suspected instances of escorts being exploited, I have always maintained that if a punter suspects an escort isn't working of her own free will it should be reported.

One of the few things a punter can be prosecuted for is having sex with a trafficked or coerced escort, having said that it's highly unlikely the person reporting would be prosecuted and even more unlikely if it reported to crimestoppers. One of the main considerations in a prosecution is public interest and it would not be in the public interest to prosecute a witness.

The more reports the police get about a particular place the more notice the police will take. They can only act if they know about it.

I can only speak for my area but I do know the police act on reports, there's been raids and prosecutions of Romanian traffickers and well as raids on Chinese massage parlours.

Police in our area also have dedicated liaison officers who deal with sex workers, I also know of several cases of them dealing with stalkers and abusive punters.

Better to report than ignore.

Thanks for this. Your earlier point about being potentially prosecuted for meeting a trafficked person is why I believe anyone who’s seen her is kind of naturally inclined to pretend there’s nothing going on and would underplay a situation of exploitation.

Fundamentally, if most people who weren’t involved in the situation (those reading it) can get natural suspicions off what the reviewer wrote, then that speaks volumes. There are loads of high volume SPs who are super popular now (grace and Kary divine in King’s Cross) but no one suspects them of being trafficked as they don’t exhibit the more subtle signs which have been noted by two separate people who have seen Zara, independent of each other. Very rare for both reviews separate of each other to cause a lot of concern for those simply reading it.