I got in contact with a borderline trafficking case: what to do?

[TheOracle]

Okay, I've been punting for more than 15 years but this is definitely a first. Not sure UKPunting is the right place to ask for advice but I'll give it a try before other things.

So, recently I booked an asian escort for an outcall. The girl arrived 40 minutes late, and while she explained to me the reason for the delay she started talking about a bunch of confused things that initially I didn't entirely understand.

I listened to her trying to make sense of what her limited english was allowing her to communicate and after some piecing together I realised that she was telling me that I should cancel, because she was in too much pain, as her agency had sent her a dozen customers that day and had shipped her for the outcall to my place without listening to her pleas for some time off. She would have another incall after my session.

She told me she had been in London for almost a month, and that the "agency" had seized her passport at the beginning and told her she would only have it back on her last day. For an entire month she had to give them all the money that she was making during the day, and they would pay her at the end. She told me that the initial agreement was a 50% split, but when she arrived they told her that the agreement didn't include rent and some bullshit taxes that they told her she had to pay. At the end of all this, apparently, the agency will take an overall cut of (at least) 76% of the money she made.

The girl showed me the kind of rosters that the agency was sending her, and it was a constant stream of 1h or 30' meetings with zero breaks, all with the amount of money that the agency expected her to deposit at the end of the day as the sum of all session fees. She had only slept a handful of hours the previous night (the crazy thing in all this is that while she was escorting in London she was also working remotely for her job in her original country).

The whole thing was the closest thing to modern slavery that I've ever seen, and chilled my spine: it's the first time that I get in touch with something that looks like a case of sex trafficking. I spent the time I booked talking to this girl, telling her that she should report all this to the police (she told me that she didn't think she had a case because she's not a British citizen) and... making her dinner (as she had had no time to eat anything since the morning).

Now, I know that most people in this forum will tell me that I'm a mug who was taken for a ride and I just squandered 300 quid, but I happen to have lived long enough to think I have a good sense of when people are genuine or not, and this person was surely genuine (she also gave me her real name and I found her online).

My blood boils at the idea of the lowlifes who are enriching themselves by exploiting poor creatures like this one. So my question is: is there a way to report this to the police that has some hope to cause some consequences? Does anyone here have found themselves in a similar situation and have useful advice?

[JontyR]

Report, report, report.

[RandomGuy99]

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[puntingking]

If this is serous, then there is no way knowing if its true or not. But it does not matter, The fact she told you makes it a red flag to me and is worth reporting to the authorities.

What was the name of the agency?
for me, in any case I would be seeking to avoid that agency at all costs.

If she told you this at the start and then you still proceeded to do anything remotely sexual then in my eyes that would be rape from you and it would also make you a lowlife and a rapist 

if an escort told me that she doesn't keep her profits and that I should've cancelled the booking. I would just see her out as I would not want anyone to do something that they didn't want to do. When it comes to this business, doing something like this even if a punter knows that the "escort" doesn't want to do it then it would either be sexual assault or rape depending on what went on.

[scutty brown]

You need to speak urgently to your local police force and ask to be put in touch with the anti-trafficking or exploitation team (or whatever their specialist unit is called).
DON'T report it online. Don't report it via one of the anonymous web pages. Call them, give them all the details you've given us here.
Also give them the girls identity, the agency name, contact numbers, addresses (did you get her phone and address). DON'T identify the girl or agency on here as that could be disastrous for her.
When you speak to the police don't try to be coy. Tell them everything including your name. You have nothing to worry about for yourself
I presume this was in London? Make sure you spell out how dire the girl's situation is when you report it

[scutty brown]

What was the name of the agency?

DO NOT NAME THE AGENCY ON HERE OR ANY OTHER WEBSITES
It would put the girl in danger

[puntingking]

You need to speak to your local police force and ask to be put in touch with the anti-trafficking or exploitation team (or whatever their specialist unit is called).
DON'T report it online. Don't report it via one of the anonymous web pages. Call them, give them all the details you've given us here.
Also give them the girls identity, the agency name, contact numbers, addresses (did you get her phone and address). DON'T identify the girl or agency on here as that could be disastrous for her.
When you speak to the police don't try to be coy. Tell them everything including your name. You have nothing to worry about for yourself
I presume this was in London? Make sure you spell out how dire the girl's situation is when you report it

if the op can send me the agency details on dm, I want to report it aswell. I want to make sure it gets done.

[puntingking]

DO NOT NAME THE AGENCY ON HERE OR ANY OTHER WEBSITES
It would put the girl in danger

ignore the previous message.

[TheOracle]

What was the name of the agency?
for me, in any case I would be seeking to avoid that agency at all costs.

It was an AW profile, presenting as an independent: she only told me when she arrived that I hadn't actually been communicating with her in chat and it was her handler. I've looked for the phone number but there's only her profile associated with it so they probably use a number of burner phones.

If she told you this at the start and then you still proceeded to do anything remotely sexual then in my eyes that would be rape from you and it would also make you a lowlife and a rapist 

if an escort told me that she doesn't keep her profits and that I should've cancelled the booking. I would just see her out as I would not want anyone to do something that they didn't want to do. When it comes to this business, doing something like this even if a punter knows that the "escort" doesn't want to do it then it would either be sexual assault or rape depending on what went on.

Of course. The only kind of physical contact I've had with her has been when after a couple of hours she asked me if she could hug me right before leaving. The rest of the time was spent with me making her pasta and a ham sandwich, her telling me her story, me hallucinating and explaining to her how many things were wrong in what she had been subjected to, me showing her the SAAFE forum, the page of the mets site about sex trafficking, etc. She also showed me a powerpoint that another client had made for her where he was telling her how she should go at doing escorting the next time she comes to London (discussing hiring security for when she meets new clients, how to market her profile, how to find a flat, etc.).

[TheOracle]

You need to speak urgently to your local police force and ask to be put in touch with the anti-trafficking or exploitation team (or whatever their specialist unit is called).
DON'T report it online. Don't report it via one of the anonymous web pages. Call them, give them all the details you've given us here.
Also give them the girls identity, the agency name, contact numbers, addresses (did you get her phone and address). DON'T identify the girl or agency on here as that could be disastrous for her.
When you speak to the police don't try to be coy. Tell them everything including your name. You have nothing to worry about for yourself
I presume this was in London? Make sure you spell out how dire the girl's situation is when you report it

Yeah, I'll call them tomorrow morning.

[TheOracle]

if the op can send me the agency details on dm, I want to report it aswell. I want to make sure it gets done.

I've lost the possibility to send DMs some time ago: I think there was some kind of policy change and I never figured out what I needed to do to regain the capability.

[Blackpool Rock]

if the op can send me the agency details on dm, I want to report it aswell. I want to make sure it gets done.

And what about when they start asking you questions and you don't have any answers as you haven't a clue about the details.
Oh i've not seen the girl but a totally anonymous person who i've never met posted something on a forum for paid sex about it 

The OP was clear in his original post that nothing happened between them and he spent the time talking to her and making her food etc but you then proceed to post at length about how he's a rapist if he's done anything

He's asked for advice on how best to report it, been given advice to report it and the best place to do it and has said that he will call in the morning so it's hopefully sorted and no need for anyone else to wade in with their Billy Big Bollocks Boots and possibly fuck things up   

[Corus Boy]

Many, many years back I encountered a 'prisoner' case, the working room had a lock on the outside and 'the auntie' had to unlock it to let me in!

There was worse to follow the I do not wish to disclose!

Once home I went out to a call box and rang Crime Stoppers,' who were brilliant.

I did not follow it up, chucked my punting phone into the Bristol Channel but noticed that the shop was soon closed.

[jamiekinkxxx]

And what about when they start asking you questions and you don't have any answers as you haven't a clue about the details.
Oh i've not seen the girl but a totally anonymous person who i've never met posted something on a forum for paid sex about it 

The OP was clear in his original post that nothing happened between them and he spent the time talking to her and making her food etc but you then proceed to post at length about how he's a rapist if he's done anything

He's asked for advice on how best to report it, been given advice to report it and the best place to do it and has said that he will call in the morning so it's hopefully sorted and no need for anyone else to wade in with their Billy Big Bollocks Boots and possibly fuck things up 

+1 something not quite right about his posts

[daviemac]

if the op can send me the agency details on dm, I want to report it aswell. I want to make sure it gets done.

33 Access to Private Messages (PMs) and members' post history are governed by separate, undisclosed criteria. Attempts to bypass these criteria, including requesting PMs, may result in a ban. Discussions related to PMs or rule 19 cannot be shared in this forum.

Any reason you shouldn't be banned for a blatant disregard for the rules?

BTW, what exactly are you going to report? something you've read on the internet?   

[puntingking]

33 Access to Private Messages (PMs) and members' post history are governed by separate, undisclosed criteria. Attempts to bypass these criteria, including requesting PMs, may result in a ban. Discussions related to PMs or rule 19 cannot be shared in this forum.

Any reason you shouldn't be banned for a blatant disregard for the rules?

1, even though I have been a member since 2019, I was unaware of that rule.
2, As for something as serious as this which info cant be shared publicly which is why i ask for a DM as something like this needed to be reported asap.


I did type this directly after that post -

ignore the previous message.

I was referring to the message where I asked for a direct message to be ignored.

[puntingking]

33 Access to Private Messages (PMs) and members' post history are governed by separate, undisclosed criteria. Attempts to bypass these criteria, including requesting PMs, may result in a ban. Discussions related to PMs or rule 19 cannot be shared in this forum.

Any reason you shouldn't be banned for a blatant disregard for the rules?

BTW, what exactly are you going to report? something you've read on the internet?  

yes, exactly. At the very least the police could do a welfare check.

[daviemac]

1, even though I have been a member since 2019, I was unaware of that rule.
2, As for something as serious as this which info cant be shared publicly which is why i ask for a DM as something like this needed to be reported asap.


I did type this directly after that post -

I was referring to the message where I asked for a direct message to be ignored.

Like I said what is it you were going to report? did you make a booking and hear it from the girl herself or were you just going to say you had read on the internet and direct the police to this thread when they asked where you had seen it.

Yes it' is a very serious subject and any instance where trafficking or coercion is suspected should be reported but that should be done by people who can give the police or other authorities first hand information about the booking process and the people involved.

BTW ignorance of the rules is no excuse, there's a link at the bottom of every page I would suggest you read them.

[scutty brown]

yes, exactly. At the very least the police could do a welfare check.

A "welfare check" may not turn anything up - it needs more than just  a beat bobby paying a visit. It needs fully trained staff from one of the intervention teams to take this on.
And besides which where are you going to send them - do you have an address to give them?  (No don't post the address here)

[puntingking]

Like I said what is it you were going to report? did you make a booking and hear it from the girl herself or were you just going to say you had read on the internet and direct the police to this thread when they asked where you had seen it.

Yes it' is a very serious subject and any instance where trafficking or coercion is suspected should be reported but that should be done by people who can give the police or other authorities first hand information about the booking process and the people involved.

BTW ignorance of the rules is no excuse, there's a link at the bottom of every page I would suggest you read them.

I will make myself familiar again with the rules of this site

[puntingking]

A "welfare check" may not turn anything up - it needs more than just  a beat bobby paying a visit. It needs fully trained staff from one of the intervention teams to take this on.
And besides which where are you going to send them - do you have an address to give them? (No don't post the address here)

no and I don't know how I would've gone about in reporting it.

It is better the op just report it. I was not thinking straight, I had barely any sleep and I did post in the early hours and I was tired.

I leave it with the original poster to deal with.

[Stevelondon]

@OP…….. absolutely listen to scutty on this one.

Reporting it to police is a simple enough thing to do and you will be dealing with people who are more interested in what you have to say as opposed to what they think of you as a punter.

In fact it is your duty to report this. The fact you’re posting about it on here means you already know what needs doing.
👍🏻

[MLawro93]

You need to speak urgently to your local police force and ask to be put in touch with the anti-trafficking or exploitation team (or whatever their specialist unit is called).
DON'T report it online. Don't report it via one of the anonymous web pages. Call them, give them all the details you've given us here.
Also give them the girls identity, the agency name, contact numbers, addresses (did you get her phone and address). DON'T identify the girl or agency on here as that could be disastrous for her.
When you speak to the police don't try to be coy. Tell them everything including your name. You have nothing to worry about for yourself
I presume this was in London? Make sure you spell out how dire the girl's situation is when you report it

This advice is all that you need OP. Appreciate you may feel awkward being so upfront with the police, but they won't care at all. You would be doing the right thing. 

[hendrix]

You need to speak urgently to your local police force and ask to be put in touch with the anti-trafficking or exploitation team (or whatever their specialist unit is called).
DON'T report it online. Don't report it via one of the anonymous web pages. Call them, give them all the details you've given us here.
Also give them the girls identity, the agency name, contact numbers, addresses (did you get her phone and address). DON'T identify the girl or agency on here as that could be disastrous for her.
When you speak to the police don't try to be coy. Tell them everything including your name. You have nothing to worry about for yourself
I presume this was in London? Make sure you spell out how dire the girl's situation is when you report it

+1

[TheOracle]

Update: I indeed reported this. I called the "modern slavery helpline" which is the first number given by the Met Police page about trafficking: External Link/Members Only

[Blackpool Rock]

Update: I indeed reported this. I called the "modern slavery helpline" which is the first number given by the Met Police page about trafficking: External Link/Members Only

Good man, hopefully it gets sorted 

[daviemac]

Update: I indeed reported this. I called the "modern slavery helpline" which is the first number given by the Met Police page about trafficking: External Link/Members Only

[tantraman]

Update: I indeed reported this. I called the "modern slavery helpline" which is the first number given by the Met Police page about trafficking: External Link/Members Only

Thank you for starting this thread, TheOracle, and your subsequent action ... it has been most salutary. Although I have not been aware of any such 'trafficking' case during my punting to date, I guess this is only a matter of time ... at least I now know how to formally report/act.

[pythondan]

OP I am impressed by the way you handled this situation. Well done for the compassion with which you treated the girl and your courage for reporting it.

[puntingking]

Update: I indeed reported this. I called the "modern slavery helpline" which is the first number given by the Met Police page about trafficking: External Link/Members Only

 

[Watts.E.Dunn]

Good to see that reported. I just wonder if it might be an idea for the UKP site owner/management to put a tab on the UKP screen to report trafficking perhaps?

It could just have some advice on things to look out for and what to do and how and where to report it?

Might be of benefit to newer less expenced punters?.

[JontyR]

Update: I indeed reported this. I called the "modern slavery helpline" which is the first number given by the Met Police page about trafficking: External Link/Members Only

Wello done, have a like.

[midspunter]

Update: I indeed reported this. I called the "modern slavery helpline" which is the first number given by the Met Police page about trafficking: External Link/Members Only

Just out of curiosity, what kind of information did they ask for?

[tynetunnel]

Fantastic work by the OP, and some great advice from our Scutty. Fortunately I have never felt for a second that any girl I met wasn’t there of her own free will. I’m certain that if I encountered anyone I wasn’t sure about, I’d report it

It’s a lovely human story (aside from the trafficking/slavery issue itself obviously) whereby the OP spent his own hard earned, and made her dinner and assisted her, for no reward. I hope most of us would do the same, and I hope the girl can get the help she needs

[TheOracle]

Just out of curiosity, what kind of information did they ask for?

I started by describing in detail my time with the girl and what she had told me. I think after my detailed description they asked me if I knew in what hotel she was (I didn't, only the area), if they could share my details with the police (I said yes), if she had any bruises or other visible marks of violence (I didn't know because she didn't get undressed but she had told me she had had bruises in the first few days because she had met a couple of scary and abusive customers, all without the "agency" caring a single bit) and if I could remember anything useful (I remembered they called an Uber for her).

The update on this story is that the girl wrote to me the last time yesterday morning to tell me that she had got her passport back (she was meant to fly back to Thailand in the afternoon) but those lowlifes didn't give her a single pound for one month of whoring at a rate of 10 customers a day with the excuse that when she was sick she accepted that a customer bring her a medicine and remain with her in her room for 30 minutes without paying the agency.

Since then she went silent, and the messages are reaching her WhatsApp but she hasn't read them.

[TheOracle]

Fantastic work by the OP, and some great advice from our Scutty. Fortunately I have never felt for a second that any girl I met wasn’t there of her own free will. I’m certain that if I encountered anyone I wasn’t sure about, I’d report it

It’s a lovely human story (aside from the trafficking/slavery issue itself obviously) whereby the OP spent his own hard earned, and made her dinner and assisted her, for no reward. I hope most of us would do the same, and I hope the girl can get the help she needs

I must confess that when I realised what the situation was and that we wouldn't have sex I was gutted: she was lovely.

But at the cost of revealing I'm a fluffy I must say that when I saw her scoff the prawn pasta I made for her while being all giggly (she asked me what Thai dishes I liked and she recognised the English names and translated them to her language all happy) I forgot that I was throwing away 300 quid. And I wouldn't mind at all, if it wasn't for the fact that they went to those fucking slavers instead of her.

[TheOracle]

I must confess that when I realised what the situation was and that we wouldn't have sex I was gutted: she was lovely.

But at the cost of revealing I'm a fluffy I must say that when I saw her scoff the prawn pasta I made for her while being all giggly (she asked me what Thai dishes I liked and she recognised the English names and translated them to her language all happy) I forgot that I was throwing away 300 quid. And I wouldn't mind at all, if it wasn't for the fact that they went to those fucking slavers instead of her.

Also, even though she told me that she had had bad experiences, she also told me that more than one customer that day didn't want to have sex with her after hearing her story or seeing how sick and tired she was, one brought her a medicine at the hotel, and another had prepared a detailed PowerPoint detailing how she could do this job safely next time and how he could help, so a few human beings do exist in this world. She seemed just as comforted by the good people she had met as was she disappointed by the people she had been tricked by. She was an absolute gem, I really hope she's ok.

[midspunter]

I started by describing in detail my time with the girl and what she had told me. I think after my detailed description they asked me if I knew in what hotel she was (I didn't, only the area), if they could share my details with the police (I said yes), if she had any bruises or other visible marks of violence (I didn't know because she didn't get undressed but she had told me she had had bruises in the first few days because she had met a couple of scary and abusive customers, all without the "agency" caring a single bit) and if I could remember anything useful (I remembered they called an Uber for her).

The update on this story is that the girl wrote to me the last time yesterday morning to tell me that she had got her passport back (she was meant to fly back to Thailand in the afternoon) but those lowlifes didn't give her a single pound for one month of whoring at a rate of 10 customers a day with the excuse that when she was sick she accepted that a customer bring her a medicine and remain with her in her room for 30 minutes without paying the agency.

Poor woman. Anyway, you did the right thing. What were the other blokes she saw thinking?

Since then she went silent, and the messages are reaching her WhatsApp but she hasn't read them.

[scutty brown]

There's a key point there which needs pointing out:
When you get a case like this it's important to try and get an address where the girl can be found. In this case the punt was an outcall so there's little for the police to use to trace her - unless by chance the car licence number was spotted by the OP or camera -recorded. It's a lot to think about, but when the girl is with you ask her where she's living. You need street, building, and flat / apartment number. Without that, tracing her is very difficult.

[JontyR]

There's a key point there which needs pointing out:
When you get a case like this it's important to try and get an address where the girl can be found. In this case the punt was an outcall so there's little for the police to use to trace her - unless by chance the car licence number was spotted by the OP or camera -recorded. It's a lot to think about, but when the girl is with you ask her where she's living. You need street, building, and flat / apartment number. Without that, tracing her is very difficult.

Its a good point Scutty. I hope I would have the smarts and calmness to try and remember this if I ever found myself in such a situation.

One question though, is there anything to stop the police seeking to book the escort in question or an alternative from the same source? A hotel room - one feels the hotels would like to assist - , a burner phone, we seem to manage it.

[scutty brown]

Its a good point Scutty. I hope I would have the smarts and calmness to try and remember this if I ever found myself in such a situation.

One question though, is there anything to stop the police seeking to book the escort in question or an alternative from the same source? A hotel room - one feels the hotels would like to assist - , a burner phone, we seem to manage it.

As I understand it that could be regarded as entrapment. But worse it could be regarded as making a booking to do something illegal in the knowledge the girl was probably trafficked.......legal minefield

[TheOracle]

There's a key point there which needs pointing out:
When you get a case like this it's important to try and get an address where the girl can be found. In this case the punt was an outcall so there's little for the police to use to trace her - unless by chance the car licence number was spotted by the OP or camera -recorded. It's a lot to think about, but when the girl is with you ask her where she's living. You need street, building, and flat / apartment number. Without that, tracing her is very difficult.

It wouldn't be hard to trace the hotel she was in, I think: the police would need to get Uber collaboration but it would be possible.

[scutty brown]

It wouldn't be hard to trace the hotel she was in, I think: the police would need to get Uber collaboration but it would be possible.

Takes time though and that's one thing you don't have. Identifying the car, then tracking that back to an owner (the vehicle is likely rented anyway), then linking that to an address takes time. And anyway it probably isn't an Uber - more likely a private car driven by the in-house heavies.
That address data is the key to it all, and the sooner you get it the better

[PumpDump]

It might make you feel good to report to police, but you have to look at the bigger picture and consider will reporting get her in to more trouble? If your report causes problems for her handlers, will there be any repercussions for her when she returns home? Will there be any repercussions for her family? Also think about how serious her case actually is, it seems to be at the lower end of the spectrum to me. It sounds like she willingly came here to have sex for money, granted she is being ripped off, and of course that is a bad thing. But it is not as bad as cases where girls think they are coming to be an au pair, cleaner or some other non-sexual worker and get forced to sleep with men against their will.

[daviemac]

It might make you feel good to report to police, but you have to look at the bigger picture and consider will reporting get her in to more trouble? If your report causes problems for her handlers, will there be any repercussions for her when she returns home? Will there be any repercussions for her family? Also think about how serious her case actually is, it seems to be at the lower end of the spectrum to me. It sounds like she willingly came here to have sex for money, granted she is being ripped off, and of course that is a bad thing. But it is not as bad as cases where girls think they are coming to be an au pair, cleaner or some other non-sexual worker and get forced to sleep with men against their will.

It isn't a case of anybody 'feeling good' its's a case of doing the right thing. No matter what you think if anyone suspects trafficking they should report it no question.

Reporting cases of trafficking to the authorities is even in the rules so best not to discourage other members from doing so.

26 Allegations of underaged /trafficked/forced sex workers
Contact law enforcement.

[jeanphillipe]

This is good , media like to portray the punter as a predatory. But many of us are more like the OP.

[puntingking]

This is good , media like to portray the punter as a predatory. But most of us are more like the OP.

I changed it for you 

[acer123]

I hope she is OK. It is distressing reading this post.

[Head1]

Added the link to Rule 26!👍

[daviemac]

For those who think it isn't worth reporting suspected trafficking or think nothing gets done about it. -  External Link/Members Only

Have to say I think the sentences are a joke but at least the women don't have to go through it anymore and are receiving support.

This investigation took 5 years perhaps it could have been quicker with more reports.