Author Topic: Doctors and charities call for gonorrhoea vaccine roll-out  (Read 5083 times)

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Primarily designed to tackle Meningitis B in children, the JCVI found the treatment was roughly 40% effective at preventing people from contracting and spreading gonorrhoea.

The body, which considers whether different immunisations should be offered on the NHS, said it would be cost-effective if given to people who are most at risk of catching gonorrhoea.

That includes gay and bisexual men and people who have had an STI in the past.

The JCVI said the money saved from fewer appointments and antibiotic treatments would be greater than the cost of the vaccines.

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This sounds useful, and important. Since reading your post, I have discovered the vaccine is available to buy from high street pharmacies. I am going to look into this further.

My only concern is this could encourage some people to be less vigilant with condom use, I will not be one of them.
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The article says only 40% protection. Not sure that is all that effective?  :unknown:

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The article says only 40% protection. Not sure that is all that effective?  :unknown:

in other words - 40 out of every 100 people will be protected.

I would still rather have the vaccine than not have it.  :unknown:

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This sounds useful, and important. Since reading your post, I have discovered the vaccine is available to buy from high street pharmacies. I am going to look into this further.

My only concern is this could encourage some people to be less vigilant with condom use, I will not be one of them.

I don't see how. My motivation to wear a condom during sex is due to the risk of HIV which to my belief is the worse STI out there.

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I don't see how. My motivation to wear a condom during sex is due to the risk of HIV which to my belief is the worse STI out there.

You wouldn't be 'some people', some people do think they aren't at risk of HIV, because they perceive themselves outside high risk categories.

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Where do you get the injection?

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You wouldn't be 'some people', some people do think they aren't at risk of HIV, because they perceive themselves outside high risk categories.
I would guess gonorrhoea ranks pretty low in the reasons people wear a condom, despite the growing antimicrobial resistance

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 This is brilliant. Will be looking into getting this privately.


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£110 a dose and multiple doses required

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That's good news. I thought it'd be straight under the bobby's helmet.

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Tried to book at Boots, system wouldn't let me and Superdrug wasn't convenient (lots of things aren't convenient where I am based). However discovered I can book a spring Covid and MenB appointment with the same pharmacist group from whom I have previously purchased Covid vaccines. Should receive both next week.
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Tried to book at Boots, system wouldn't let me and Superdrug wasn't convenient (lots of things aren't convenient where I am based). However discovered I can book a spring Covid and MenB appointment with the same pharmacist group from whom I have previously purchased Covid vaccines. Should receive both next week.
Why is it 2 or 3 doses like they're not really sure?

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Why is it 2 or 3 doses like they're not really sure?

I am not medically qualified but instantly found this;

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The article says only 40% protection. Not sure that is all that effective?  :unknown:

On an individual  basis it's not a lot, but if there was widespread use then there's a good chance of the "herd immunity" theory kicking in. What you're trying to do is break down the network of communication/infection routes, not protect the individual


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I am not medically qualified but instantly found this;

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Yes, the majority of vaccines require more than a single dose, either as part of the initial regime or in some cases later as 'boosters'.

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The 40% rate is not ideal, but firstly remember this is not a specific gonorrhea vaccine, but another one which seems to offer some cross protection. In addition it is on a par with the flu vaccination, where effectiveness varies each year and can be as low as 20% rising to perhaps 60%+ in  a good year.

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I should add that this is not a new story and the report mentioned in the opening post article relates to Nov 2023 and yet we seem no nearer an actual decision whether this is to be offered at GUM clinics etc?

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Also to my knowledge the is no data as to how long the vaccine is effective for? This has cost implications if re-vaccination is required down the line.

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Is this vaccine related to the pneumonia vaccine given to OAPs as that also seems to have some effect on meningitis B?

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Is this vaccine related to the pneumonia vaccine given to OAPs as that also seems to have some effect on meningitis B?
Do you mean RSV?

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in other words - 40 out of every 100 people will be protected.

I would still rather have the vaccine than not have it.  :unknown:


but it takes two people to transfer the infection.....which assuming both partners are inoculated brings the infectivity down to around 36%. It's not quite that simple, but that figure could be low enough to break the transmission rate to a negligible figure

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I should add that this is not a new story and the report mentioned in the opening post article relates to Nov 2023 and yet we seem no nearer an actual decision whether this is to be offered at GUM clinics etc?

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Also to my knowledge the is no data as to how long the vaccine is effective for? This has cost implications if re-vaccination is required down the line.

That's the problem with covid vaccine, I spent circa £160 'keeping up' with covid ast year plus time and mileage because it wasn't on my doorstep. However some closer pharmacies are now offering both Menb and covid.

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Just an update on this for whatever it's worth. I have received my first Meningitis B vaccine purchased from a pharmacy. Second dose booked in one month later (that's the minimum gap). I wasn't asked why, they simply injected, gave me the vaccine information leaflet, took payment.

Easy.

Cost £110 per dose.
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Update

England will be the first country in the world to start vaccinating people against the sexually transmitted infection gonorrhoea.

It will not be available for everyone. The focus will mainly be on gay and bisexual men with a history of multiple sexual partners or an STI.

The vaccine is 30-40% effective, but NHS England hopes it will reverse soaring numbers of infections.

There were more than 85,000 cases in 2023 – the highest since records began in 1918.

Gonorrhoea does not always have symptoms, but they can include pain, unusual discharge, inflammation of the genitals and infertility.

How many people will choose to be immunised is uncertain.

But projections by Imperial College London show that if the jab proves popular then it could prevent 100,000 cases and save the NHS nearly £8m over the next decade, external.

Max, a sexual health campaigner, told BBC Newsbeat he would "100%" take the vaccine after being diagnosed with gonorrhoea twice within a year.

"I think this is great that it's been announced", he says, adding: "It's going to take the pressure off the clinics, it's just a big win all round."

Vaccination will start in August and will be offered through sexual health services.

Public Health Scotland said it was also working on plans to launch its own programme for high-risk individuals.

Northern Ireland's Department of Health said the issue is being considered, with an announcement expected shortly.

BBC Newsbeat has also asked health leaders in Wales whether they intend to do the same.

Is it effective enough?
This vaccine wasn't designed for gonorrhoea. It's the meningitis B vaccine currently given to babies.

But the bacteria that cause the two diseases are so closely related that the MenB jab appears to cut gonorrhoea cases by around a third.

That will require a delicate conversation in sexual health clinics as the vaccine will not eliminate the risk of catching gonorrhoea. It is normally caught while having sex without a condom.

But Prof Andrew Pollard, the chair of the Joint Committee on Vaccination and Immunisation (JCVI), which recommended the vaccine, said despite it only being 30% effective, it was "worth having" and could have "a huge impact" overall.

The decision is not just about the record numbers of cases. Gonorrhoea is becoming increasingly difficult to treat.

Most cases are treated with a single dose of antibiotics, but there is an 80-year history of the bacterium which causes gonorrhoea repeatedly evolving resistance to our antibiotics.

It's happening to the current treatments too and is why some doctors are concerned gonorrhoea could one-day become untreatable, external.

The best way to deal with a drug-resistant infection is to never catch it in the first place.

Dr Amanda Doyle, from NHS England, said: "The launch of a world-first routine vaccination for gonorrhoea is a huge step forward for sexual health and will be crucial in protecting individuals, helping to prevent the spread of infection and reduce the rising rates of antibiotic resistant strains of the bacteria."

The people most affected by gonorrhoea in the UK are those aged 16-to-25, gay and bisexual men, and those of black and Caribbean ancestry.

The vaccine is value for money when primarily offered to gay and bisexual men, rather than all teenagers.

However, clinicians do have the freedom to use their own judgement and offer the vaccine to people using sexual health services they think are of equally high risk.

People will be offered mpox (formerly known as monkeypox), HPV and hepatitis vaccines at the same time.


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This vaccine is now in the news as the result of the Meningitis outbreak in Kent.

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This vaccine is now in the news as the result of the Meningitis outbreak in Kent.

I see that  :hi:

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Personally I wish they would roll something out to cover HPV and males. In no way wishing to minimise the impact of rogue HPV on women I do feel that men are very much overlooked in this regard. There appears to be no accredited test for the presence of HPV in men and no guidelines, are we are simply meant to wait until the signs of neck / throat / mouth / head cancer appears, or are the actual risks for men overblown as a result of Hollywood rumours about Michael  Douglas ? One has to wonder. Signed: Concerned Muffdiver.

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Personally I wish they would roll something out to cover HPV and males. In no way wishing to minimise the impact of rogue HPV on women I do feel that men are very much overlooked in this regard. There appears to be no accredited test for the presence of HPV in men and no guidelines, are we are simply meant to wait until the signs of neck / throat / mouth / head cancer appears, or are the actual risks for men overblown as a result of Hollywood rumours about Michael  Douglas ? One has to wonder. Signed: Concerned Muffdiver.

Gardasil this is has been rolled out to specific groups via GUM clinics, can also be bought privately. But you are correct there isn't  a HPV testing programme for men.
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