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Offline myothernameis

Homes and some towns, around the Los Angeles area, have been burnt down, and nothing left, even some homes of Hollywood stars


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Offline standardpostage

Scary  :scare:

Good job we don't live there.

Offline LeedsGent

What is scary is that it is happening in January.

Offline myothernameis

Scary  :scare:

Good job we don't live there.

Not half scary, and  residents trying to escape in their cars, getting told, get out of your cars now

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What is scary is that it is happening in January.
And that it seems to happen every year!!

Offline myothernameis

What is scary is that it is happening in January.

Seemingly has something to do with the rain's which haven't arrived as usual, so causing the woodland to be very dry.

And with the very cold weather in the south east of usa, all now getting blamed on climate change

Offline george r

looks like the mayor had cut the fire brigade budget and flown out of the country knowing the fires were on the way  :thumbsdown: 
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Just read that apparently Sunset Boulevard is now just a smoking ruin.

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Just read that apparently Sunset Boulevard is now just a smoking ruin.
It's bad

BBC News - Paris Hilton and Adam Brody among celebrities to lose homes in wildfires
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BBC News - Photos of Los Angeles fires show blazes ripping through neighbourhoods - BBC News
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looks like the mayor had cut the fire brigade budget and flown out of the country knowing the fires were on the way  :thumbsdown:

And where did you get this info ??

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And where did you get this info ??
It happens. I know of one US town where the mayor tried to raise property taxes to cover costs and the people refused, so the mayor closed one of the town's fire stations (the building was still there and had to be maintained), so if there was an incident the fire engines and ambulances might have to travel further. The people in the town were ok with this.

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And where did you get this info ??

A quick search of google brings up numerous stories on the mayor, as she left for a holiday in South Africa

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Offline MrBamboo

I was listening about this today on the Jeremy Vine show, apparently the residents in the areas affected
are strongly recommended to clear the scrub around their properties as it is tinder dry.
Lots apparently do not...  :unknown:

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I was listening about this today on the Jeremy Vine show, apparently the residents in the areas affected
are strongly recommended to clear the scrub around their properties as it is tinder dry.
Lots apparently do not...  :unknown:

Well nature has done it fo them now!,  pity about the colateral damage still if Trump and co spent time sorting their own back yard perhaps?...

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Homes and some towns, around the Los Angeles area, have been burnt down, and nothing left, even some homes of Hollywood stars.

It's very scary and a tragic loss for a lot of people.

I have to say what I found quite distasteful on the radio news this afternoon was a piece from a reporter to the stars who had taken to social media last night, they aired a small bit of his SM post and he was forlornly reading out the names of big Holywood stars like Tom Hanks who had lost their homes.
Now don't get me wrong I feel for the bloke and any of the 'stars' but I'm quite sure he and they will have damn good insurance and I'm fairly sure they can afford to rebuild or relocate and pop off to a hotel for a few months or rent somewhere or go to one of their other properties.
The normal guy, woman, family who have lost everything are not in suce a privileged position,  now they are the ones I really feel for, the ones who have nothing left but the clothes on their backs, who work places may also have burnt down leaving them homeless and without an income.

OK rant over

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It's very scary and a tragic loss for a lot of people.

I have to say what I found quite distasteful on the radio news this afternoon was a piece from a reporter to the stars who had taken to social media last night, they aired a small bit of his SM post and he was forlornly reading out the names of big Holywood stars like Tom Hanks who had lost their homes.
Now don't get me wrong I feel for the bloke and any of the 'stars' but I'm quite sure he and they will have damn good insurance and I'm fairly sure they can afford to rebuild or relocate and pop off to a hotel for a few months or rent somewhere or go to one of their other properties.
The normal guy, woman, family who have lost everything are not in suce a privileged position,  now they are the ones I really feel for, the ones who have nothing left but the clothes on their backs, who work places may also have burnt down leaving them homeless and without an income.

OK rant over
It's going to take a long time to rebuild but they will.  It's going to be one hell of an insurance loss.

Offline mills_and_bhuna

It's very scary and a tragic loss for a lot of people.

I have to say what I found quite distasteful on the radio news this afternoon was a piece from a reporter to the stars who had taken to social media last night, they aired a small bit of his SM post and he was forlornly reading out the names of big Holywood stars like Tom Hanks who had lost their homes.
Now don't get me wrong I feel for the bloke and any of the 'stars' but I'm quite sure he and they will have damn good insurance and I'm fairly sure they can afford to rebuild or relocate and pop off to a hotel for a few months or rent somewhere or go to one of their other properties.
The normal guy, woman, family who have lost everything are not in suce a privileged position,  now they are the ones I really feel for, the ones who have nothing left but the clothes on their backs, who work places may also have burnt down leaving them homeless and without an income.

OK rant over
I see James Woods lost his house. Or one of them.
I'm finding it hard to muster any sympathy for this monumental POS given his pronouncements on Gaza over the last year.

Offline hairdownthere

It's very scary and a tragic loss for a lot of people.

I have to say what I found quite distasteful on the radio news this afternoon was a piece from a reporter to the stars who had taken to social media last night, they aired a small bit of his SM post and he was forlornly reading out the names of big Holywood stars like Tom Hanks who had lost their homes.
Now don't get me wrong I feel for the bloke and any of the 'stars' but I'm quite sure he and they will have damn good insurance and I'm fairly sure they can afford to rebuild or relocate and pop off to a hotel for a few months or rent somewhere or go to one of their other properties.
The normal guy, woman, family who have lost everything are not in suce a privileged position,  now they are the ones I really feel for, the ones who have nothing left but the clothes on their backs, who work places may also have burnt down leaving them homeless and without an income.

OK rant over

It doesn't matter if you are poor or rich, it cuts just as deep if you lose sentimental items - family photo's, heirlooms, ashes, pets etc etc.  Those cant be replaced no matter how much money you have.

Offline myothernameis

I see James Woods lost his house. Or one of them.

Paris Hilton lost her house, but all of her dogs, seemingly are ok

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It doesn't matter if you are poor or rich, it cuts just as deep if you lose sentimental items - family photo's, heirlooms, ashes, pets etc etc.  Those cant be replaced no matter how much money you have.

I'm not disagreeing with you on those points and as I said I feel for them, I just find it distasteful to focus on those people in the news as opposed to the rest of the population, they all lost.

Offline chrishornx

It's very scary and a tragic loss for a lot of people.

I have to say what I found quite distasteful on the radio news this afternoon was a piece from a reporter to the stars who had taken to social media last night, they aired a small bit of his SM post and he was forlornly reading out the names of big Holywood stars like Tom Hanks who had lost their homes.
Now don't get me wrong I feel for the bloke and any of the 'stars' but I'm quite sure he and they will have damn good insurance and I'm fairly sure they can afford to rebuild or relocate and pop off to a hotel for a few months or rent somewhere or go to one of their other properties.
The normal guy, woman, family who have lost everything are not in suce a privileged position,  now they are the ones I really feel for, the ones who have nothing left but the clothes on their backs, who work places may also have burnt down leaving them homeless and without an income.

OK rant over

Hanks hasn't lost his house

Offline SoapyTW

It's going to be one hell of an insurance loss.

Yes, well, if they had insurance...

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A lot of insurers pulled out of California and residents aren't able to get fire insurance (which is seperate to home insurance over there). The fire insurance quotes that were available were higher than the mortgage rates.

James Woods is one of the many people that have lost an uninsured house:

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The insurers knew it wasn't a viable business decision given the risks which where very well knows...

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This clip is going around a lot, but other high profile people, including Trump, have been warning about this for a long time. And as mentioned above, despite these warnings, budgets were cut. On top of this, key were workers elbowed out for 'reasons', and a load of money spent on 'feel good reasons'. California also has one of the highest tax rates in the USA.

There is a confluence of reasons leading up to this, but it was also all too predicable
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Hanks hasn't lost his house

I'm absolutely terrible at celebrity names as they hold no interest to me, one is much like another and I'm not much of a film watcher, I thought that was one of the  names I heard, clearly not  :hi:

Offline Blackpool Rock

Paris Hilton lost her house, but all of her dogs, seemingly are ok
Hot dogs  :D

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I'm not disagreeing with you on those points and as I said I feel for them, I just find it distasteful to focus on those people in the news as opposed to the rest of the population, they all lost.
I'm with you on this, people seem to be so worried about big name stars and celebrities all the time and are happy to forget about the ordinary people  :thumbsdown:

Ever noticed how wealthy people seem to get gifted things all the time whereas someone who would really benefit from a freebie has to pay full whack  :unknown:

Offline myothernameis

Ever noticed how wealthy people seem to get gifted things all the time whereas someone who would really benefit from a freebie has to pay full whack  :unknown:

It was suggested that the awards due to take place, change how the awards get shown, so basically would not be on tv.  The general consensus was no, they need to be televised, to the world, and actors & actresses show up

It seemingly costs millions to televise the awards, but this money could go else where right now, but guess over the next few weeks, some announcement on how the awards for 2024 will proceed

Offline Hardluck

Only thing to say about this is all the talk of the mayor cutting LAFD budget is not true.

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Only thing to say about this is all the talk of the mayor cutting LAFD budget is not true.

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Maybe someone should sue Mr Musk?

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Offline Backstreetboy

Wait until you see how the US Insurers treat claimants.

I visited the Big Easy three years after Katrina. There was a vast tented city under the Freeway over Canal St - I was told it was where the householders who were in dispute with their insurers were living.

Offline Stevelondon

I'm not disagreeing with you on those points and as I said I feel for them, I just find it distasteful to focus on those people in the news as opposed to the rest of the population, they all lost.


Sadly it’s the way news work.  Nobody interested in hearing about the losses experienced by Mr&Mrs ordinary. Let’s concentrate on the stars.

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Wait until you see how the US Insurers treat claimants.

I visited the Big Easy three years after Katrina. There was a vast tented city under the Freeway over Canal St - I was told it was where the householders who were in dispute with their insurers were living.
Wait until Donald lands in 10 days. He'll throw loads of federal resources at this to show he is so much better than Biden.

Offline jeanphillipe

Wait until Donald lands in 10 days. He'll throw loads of federal resources at this to show he is so much better than Biden.

It's just surprising that this is a known issue how does the state not prepare for it.

Biden has directed the budget to send money, billions overseas , no funds to drop plane after plane of water ?

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It's just surprising that this is a known issue how does the state not prepare for it.

Biden has directed the budget to send money, billions overseas , no funds to drop plane after plane of water ?
They have planes, but sadly planes can't always operate in high winds and dense smoke - that tends to cause them to crash into the ground. Right now it's a matter of the weather changing as they just can't stop them spreading no matter how much water they drop on them. It's like a firestorm.  They'll be getting firefighters and equipment in from neighbouring states and perhaps the National Guard to shoot a few looters to encourage them not to loot.
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Offline myothernameis

It's just surprising that this is a known issue how does the state not prepare for it.

Biden has directed the budget to send money, billions overseas , no funds to drop plane after plane of water ?

According to the news, its not over yet, and potential for other area to be hit, and face evacuation.  Seems the strong winds will pick up once more, and could increase the chances of embers being thrown around in the air, and to other areas

Offline SoapyTW

They have planes, but sadly planes can't always operate in high winds and dense smoke - that tends to cause them to crash into the ground.

Planes aren't preparation tho. Preparation is managing the forests, removing underbush, and creating fire breaks. Trees are wet and hard to burn under normal circumstances. It's the dry forest floors that cause the problems, and something that can and definitely should have been managed given the known risks. This isn't hindsight. This is stuff people had been warning about and asking for for a long time

I don't think people actually realise how bad this situation is going to be for people that lost houses. Cali is horrendous for getting stuff built, so even if people did have the money, good luck wading through the planning process for the next 2 years, and good luck finding a builder. I think these neighbourhoods are going to be derelict for a decade unless there is just a huge land buy out and redevelopment. And even then, who's going to want to buy a house there given the risk and inability to get insurance?
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Planes aren't preparation tho. Preparation is managing the forests, removing underbush, and creating fire breaks. Trees are wet and hard to burn under normal circumstances. It's the dry forest floors that cause the problems, and something that can and definitely should have been managed given the known risks. This isn't hindsight. This is stuff people had been warning about and asking for for a long time

I don't think people actually realise how bad this situation is going to be for people that lost houses. Cali is horrendous for getting stuff built, so even if people did have the money, good luck wading through the planning process for the next 2 years, and good luck finding a builder. I think these neighbourhoods are going to be derelict for a decade unless there is just a huge land buy out and redevelopment. And even then, who's going to want to buy a house there given the risk and inability to get insurance?
I think that the fire department and national parks people usually do this clearing this time of year. However, they're now fighting fires instead of clearing as normally they don't get fires this time of year. I suspect there's been a bit of foul play too with people deliberately starting fires.

They might get the Army Corps of Engineers involved. A lot of homes in the US are timber framed with a brick cladding. They are very quick to build. I imagine that will be fast tracking for planning permissions. There are specialist companies in the US that do these rebuilde as they are a fairly regular occurrence with tornados, fires, floods and hurricanes.  It's pretty different to Europe.

The initial big challenge will be to clear the place to stop rats and other vermin having a population explosion and obviously people will want to try to recover whatever personal effects have survived. They'll need to bulldoze and remove all the debris to prepare for rebuilding.

Material like timber prices may go through the roof unless they are able to enforce some pricing controls.  They'll be tradespeople from all round the country being shipped in to do the rebuilding and they'll need a lot more building inspectors to inspect the properties that are rebuilt to ensure that they are built safely and comply with the appropriate building codes.
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Planes aren't preparation tho. Preparation is managing the forests, removing underbush, and creating fire breaks. Trees are wet and hard to burn under normal circumstances. It's the dry forest floors that cause the problems, and something that can and definitely should have been managed given the known risks. This isn't hindsight. This is stuff people had been warning about and asking for for a long time

I don't think people actually realise how bad this situation is going to be for people that lost houses. Cali is horrendous for getting stuff built, so even if people did have the money, good luck wading through the planning process for the next 2 years, and good luck finding a builder. I think these neighbourhoods are going to be derelict for a decade unless there is just a huge land buy out and redevelopment. And even then, who's going to want to buy a house there given the risk and inability to get insurance?

Planes are preparation. If you have a hundred planes ready and waiting, before a major fire, then you are in better position than having no planes prepared, surely?

The planing process will be easy to work through as the vast majority will be rebuilds of existing properties where permission has already been given and there will be a fast track procedure by authorities, for obvious reasons

Teams of builders will be flown in from around the US, as happens regularly with their familiarity with big fires,  to get things moving as Insurers will be wanting folk back in their properties asap to avoid temporary accommodation costs soaring. National Government aid will also be important. 

the 'inability' to get insurance will be factor but not a big a you make out a new buildings will have far more fire retardant materials and fir suppression systems in place. In Santa Barbara after fires 5 years ago many houses were rebuilt with external sprinkler systems installed. Lessons will be learnt and the new properties will be far better prepared

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Planes are preparation. If you have a hundred planes ready and waiting, before a major fire, then you are in better position than having no planes prepared, surely?

The planing process will be easy to work through as the vast majority will be rebuilds of existing properties where permission has already been given and there will be a fast track procedure by authorities, for obvious reasons

Teams of builders will be flown in from around the US, as happens regularly with their familiarity with big fires,  to get things moving as Insurers will be wanting folk back in their properties asap to avoid temporary accommodation costs soaring. National Government aid will also be important. 

the 'inability' to get insurance will be factor but not a big a you make out a new buildings will have far more fire retardant materials and fir suppression systems in place. In Santa Barbara after fires 5 years ago many houses were rebuilt with external sprinkler systems installed. Lessons will be learnt and the new properties will be far better prepared
Quick train as a carpenter. Someone is going to be earning a lot of overtime for the next couple of years.

Offline Darren101

Bloody hell. I've only been glancing at the news so didn't know it was this bad. Agree, celebrities losing their homes is one thing but they can afford to buy another.  For everyone else, they're not likely to have insurance based on what I've read about insurance companies not offering cover so have lost everything.

Feel even worse considering I've been to LA and know people there.  They're not affected luckily.

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Fire triangle. Heat, Fuel and Oxygen.

Cant remove the heat or Oxygen so remove the fuel - large scale de-forestation fire breaks and local trees and vegitation, can be done be bloody expensive but better might not look so nice but will be a lot better then the present ruins.

And start using brick and or concrete construction dosent burn as well as wood..

There, sorted:)...

Offline PepeMAGA

It's just surprising that this is a known issue how does the state not prepare for it.

Biden has directed the budget to send money, billions overseas , no funds to drop plane after plane of water ?
working fire hydrants would be a start.

Offline WASA38

Even properties along the sea shore were lost. Seems strange that the fire department didn't have the means to pump sea water over them.

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Even properties along the sea shore were lost. Seems strange that the fire department didn't have the means to pump sea water over them.

They will only use sea water if they absoluty have no other option, as it buggers up their pumps and the salt plays havoc with anthing growing for a long time in the area!.

Its a very good weedkiller is salt...

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They will only use sea water if they absoluty have no other option, as it buggers up their pumps and the salt plays havoc with anthing growing for a long time in the area!.

Its a very good weedkiller is salt...

Pumps can easily be flushed clean with fresh water afterwards before any corrosion. (Chemical resistance of engineering materials used to be one aspect of my job).
And better a surviving house with a garden laid to shingle and pot plants than a heap of ash.

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Wait until Donald lands in 10 days. He'll throw loads of federal resources at this to show he is so much better than Biden.
I doubt it - Trump is notorious for withholding funding from those who didn't vote for him.

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I doubt it - Trump is notorious for withholding funding from those who didn't vote for him.
But he has to be seen as the saviour of America.

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They will only use sea water if they absoluty have no other option, as it buggers up their pumps and the salt plays havoc with anthing growing for a long time in the area!.

Its a very good weedkiller is salt...

realistically they had no option

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But he has to be seen as the saviour of America.
He has nothing to lose - he can't have a third term, unless him and the GOP manage to change the Constitution.
He (probably) has 2 years to get as much change through both Houses of Congress before the mid term elections make him a lame duck President, which US voters are (in)famous for doing.