Author Topic: Christmas market attack in Germany  (Read 3752 times)

Offline sir wanksalot

There are really some sick fucks in this world

Offline alabama1

And why is it that only 'X' does not censor the aftermath of these crimes ? The news channels assume we should not see the full consequences of these hideous acts. Maybe if the uncensored footage was broadcast, then it would make the general public sit up and take notice.

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 alabama1 - its for our own good! Remember everything that any government or politician does, is for our  own good! (yea, right!). and tv channels / news is going that way too!
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Offline sir wanksalot

And why is it that only 'X' does not censor the aftermath of these crimes ? The news channels assume we should not see the full consequences of these hideous acts. Maybe if the uncensored footage was broadcast, then it would make the general public sit up and take notice.

I've just seen the video on the German Bild site and it's fucking horrendous. You make a good point though. We should not be spared from the horror.

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Cunt deserves to die a thousand deaths using the slowest ways possible.

Offline puntingking


Obvously islam extremist.

It has not been confirmed though.

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From the BBC website:

"Suspect is a Saudi Arabian doctor, Saxony PM says
We've just heard from Saxony-Anhalt PM Reiner Haseloff, who provided more information about the suspect.
The man who has been arrested is a 50-year-old originally from Saudi Arabia.
He is said to have arrived in Germany in 2006 and worked as a doctor.
Police say they are not looking for any other suspect at this time."

Offline Blackpool Rock

I've just seen the video on the German Bild site and it's fucking horrendous. You make a good point though. We should not be spared from the horror.
I've not seen it but it's censored for a good reason, do we really want children to see horrific shit  :unknown:

Offline lewisjones23

Mind boggling to me that still there are some people that don't accept there is a serious problem across Europe that needs drastic action at the earliest opportunity
« Last Edit: December 20, 2024, 09:59:58 pm by lewisjones23 »

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Mind boggling to me that still there are some people that don't accept there is a serious problem across Europe that needs drastic action at the earliest opportunity

My mind is fully boggled.  :rolleyes:

''The public is being urged to turn detective and report terror suspects to police in the final days before Christmas.

Tip-offs have gone up by 50% in the past year but police say they still need help to spot potential terrorists who might threaten big festive crowds.

Christmas markets, shopping centres, concerts and pantos across the UK are all vulnerable to attack, said counter-terror police chief Jon Savell.''

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Offline Blackpool Rock

I remember a few years back at work we were trying to decide where to go for our department Xmas do, someone suggested the Manchester Xmas markets.
1st off fuck knows why anyone would want to go anyway  :unknown: Isn't it just a load of old tat that you can get from Poundland or B&M cheaper and a load of dodgy street food with a higher than average chance of getting food poisoning  :unknown:
2nd why the fuck would anyone want to go after the terror attacks on these events in the last few years  :dash:

My instant response was "Fuck off" 

Offline alabama1

I've not seen it but it's censored for a good reason, do we really want children to see horrific shit  :unknown:
Its a 3 second clip  (at most). A distant image caught on CCTV of the moment of impact. Blink and you would miss it. It would bring horror to an adult, but i doubt very much that it would register with a child. The distance it was filmed from, and the shortness in time of the clip, it isn't graphic in order to upset a child.

Offline hairdownthere

I remember a few years back at work we were trying to decide where to go for our department Xmas do, someone suggested the Manchester Xmas markets.
1st off fuck knows why anyone would want to go anyway  :unknown: Isn't it just a load of old tat that you can get from Poundland or B&M cheaper and a load of dodgy street food with a higher than average chance of getting food poisoning  :unknown:
2nd why the fuck would anyone want to go after the terror attacks on these events in the last few years  :dash:

My instant response was "Fuck off"

If you take that mindset then those who carry out the attacks have won


Offline puntingking

If you take that mindset then those who carry out the attacks have won


agree, life has to continue to march on. otherwise we may aswell be dead anyway.

this actually makes me more likely to go to them, not less as it would be a show of force if we all continue to do these things.


Offline standardpostage

It is tragic. More so because the driver is a Saudi Arabian doctor. Who will have sworn the Hippocratic Oath to do no harm.

The mans a hypocrite.

Offline WASA38

Obvously islam extremist.

It has not been confirmed though.

Evidently not. We now learn that he was extremely critical of Islam.

Guess just deranged, ie a straightforward nutter.

Concrete blocks should have been placed closer


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agree, life has to continue to march on. otherwise we may aswell be dead anyway.

this actually makes me more likely to go to them, not less as it would be a show of force if we all continue to do these things.
Yes i've heard the "carry on as normal otherwise they've won" and I agree up to a point such as still go on holiday / fly and I knew people who still used the tube after 7/7 on this basis.
Fair enough if you need to use the tube to go to work and likewise if you want to go on holiday however i'm personally not going to take the risk of going to an Xmas market as I don't want to go to begin with, there is a difference though others who want to go may still choose to go using the i'm not letting them win stance

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Evidently not. We now learn that he was extremely critical of Islam.

Guess just deranged, ie a straightforward nutter.

Concrete blocks should have been placed closer
Some people just like to push boundaries on here and throw that sort of crap in regardless, makes no difference to them if there's any truth in it or not.

Offline FLYING BLUE

Obvously islam extremist.

It has not been confirmed though.

Why even speculate on such an unknown? :unknown:

Offline sir wanksalot

Yes i've heard the "carry on as normal otherwise they've won" and I agree up to a point such as still go on holiday / fly and I knew people who still used the tube after 7/7 on this basis.
Fair enough if you need to use the tube to go to work and likewise if you want to go on holiday however i'm personally not going to take the risk of going to an Xmas market as I don't want to go to begin with, there is a difference though others who want to go may still choose to go using the i'm not letting them win stance

I think it depends on how long someone stops their usual routine for fear of a terrorist attack happening. In the immediate aftermath of a large terrorist attack it is normal for people to change their normal routine but if a terrorist attack happened a few years ago then really it is the fear of doing something rather than the likelihood of something happening.

Everyone's fear/risk tolerance is different so there is no right or wrong but ultimately the terrorists want to use their actions to change our society and changing our behaviours and habits is a way of them achieving their goals.

Offline jeanphillipe

Suspect was Ex - muslim and pro israeli . Opposed the islamification of Europe

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Offline akauya

I've just seen the video on the German Bild site and it's fucking horrendous. You make a good point though. We should not be spared from the horror.

Does that feeling include the horrors that are going on in the Gaza strip?

Offline Blackpool Rock

So are we straying into Politics and religion here guys  :thumbsdown:

Offline alabama1

Does that feeling include the horrors that are going on in the Gaza strip?
Media news in general should not be censoring the aftermaths of any terrorist attack. Speaking personally, i am less bothered (for want of a better word), therefore less outraged when the news channels shield the horrors from me. Viewing the stories on 'X' however, have the opposite affect on me.

Offline puntingking

So are we straying into Politics and religion here guys  :thumbsdown:

appears to me, hard not to when discussing news events

Offline Darren101

Not again….  Was it in Germany last time too or France?  Just saw it’s 4 dead now.

They need to put up concrete barriers to stop cars at all these events just as a precaution. Sad state of affairs but better to be safe. 

Hope the culprit is punished but I doubt he’ll get what he deserves.


Edit:  just saw on bbc it’s 5 dead now  :(
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appears to me, hard not to when discussing news events
If you can't manage to stay off politics and religion then don't post on the thread especially as you tend to make things up as you go along just for the sake of it.

Offline PepeMAGA

Not again….  Was it in Germany last time too or France?  Just saw it’s 4 dead now.

They need to put up concrete barriers to stop cars at all these events just as a precaution. Sad state of affairs but better to be safe. 

Hope the culprit is punished but I doubt he’ll get what he deserves.


Edit:  just saw on bbc it’s 5 dead now  :(
I saw an article on BBC news blaming the police for not having more barriers round it, similar to how emergency services seemed to get more ire for the Manchester bombing that the actual bomber. Not dealing with the core issue though is it.
If they can't use a car they'll use something else, possibly worse.

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Media news in general should not be censoring the aftermaths of any terrorist attack. Speaking personally, i am less bothered (for want of a better word), therefore less outraged when the news channels shield the horrors from me. Viewing the stories on 'X' however, have the opposite affect on me.

Terrorist attacks are planned specifically to attract attention and affect public opinion and morale. The more they are shown on TV or online the more publicity the terrorists get, which is exactly what they want.
Best to - as far as possible - reduce the newsreporting to basic facts. No video, no speculation.

Online MLawro93

These types of attacks are really difficult to protect against, especially if they are just deranged lone wolves

That being said, this type of attack in Germany is becoming common, so they really do need to do better with utilising barriers. It seems there was a large enough gap for the guy to go through to the crowds

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You may recognise the street scene in this link it was put there to stop someone driving into the throng of tourists that congrete around the chapel, a lot of people objected but on reflection. The barriers can be remotely opened and closed such as they will on the 24th for a BBC outside  broadcast van for the carol service thats trying to bring light and hope into the world;!..

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Offline puntingking

If you can't manage to stay off politics and religion then don't post on the thread especially as you tend to make things up as you go along just for the sake of it.



I was wrong about my earlier post in this thread as it now comes to light some more details but i didn't present it as fact. I presented it as speculation or opinion on what i thought was the motive in this case. I hold my hands up and say I was wrong in this case.
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I was wrong about my earlier post in this thread as it now comes to light some more details but i didn't present it as fact. I presented it as speculation or opinion on what i thought was the motive in this case. I hold my hands up and say I was wrong in this case.
You decided to blame a particular religious group without any evidence at all and that has no place in society never mind just this thread.

Offline sir wanksalot

Does that feeling include the horrors that are going on in the Gaza strip?

I am trying to keep politics out of it. I did not express any opinion on Gaza

Offline sir wanksalot

I saw an article on BBC news blaming the police for not having more barriers round it, similar to how emergency services seemed to get more ire for the Manchester bombing that the actual bomber. Not dealing with the core issue though is it.
If they can't use a car they'll use something else, possibly worse.

I don't think it's that easy to protect crowds around a Christmas market.

Most markets have a main focal point/area. Usually a public square or a town hall. These can be ringfenced with security measures but you cannot easily control the pavements and roads that lead into these areas

Offline Colston36

Mind boggling to me that still there are some people that don't accept there is a serious problem across Europe that needs drastic action at the earliest opportunity

And what practical action do you suggest? By practical I mean something that can actually be done. Not some drivel about expelling all Muslims.
« Last Edit: December 21, 2024, 04:25:20 pm by Colston36 »

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It is tragic. More so because the driver is a Saudi Arabian doctor. Who will have sworn the Hippocratic Oath to do no harm.

The mans a hypocrite.

I imagine he is actually mad.

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Always interesting to see how bigots pivot once more information comes to light about any potential suspect. It turns out that the real world is complex, and people do the craziest things for a wide range of reasons.

It happens every single time. I'd rather focus on how we prevent such attacks in the future. What are the realistic options for stopping them altogether or minimising such attacks?

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Always interesting to see how bigots pivot once more information comes to light about any potential suspect. It turns out that the real world is complex, and people do the craziest things for a wide range of reasons.

It happens every single time. I'd rather focus on how we prevent such attacks in the future. What are the realistic options for stopping them altogether or minimising such attacks?

Get Cambridge city and county councils involved!, they HATE cars they are closing a main passage across the railway line to split the town in half and are putting in LTN's (low traffic neighbourhoods)  all over and given half a chance they'd bring back on someone walking with a warning red flag..

Cunts of the first order!...

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Get Cambridge city and county councils involved!, they HATE cars they are closing a main passage across the railway line to split the town in half and are putting in LTN's (low traffic neighbourhoods)  all over and given half a chance they'd bring back on someone walking with a warning red flag..

Cunts of the first order!...

I don't mind LTNs and what not, but the public transport system has to be up to scratch then. Outside of London, it is all shit hence why I understand people rely on cars.

Offline sir wanksalot

Always interesting to see how bigots pivot once more information comes to light about any potential suspect. It turns out that the real world is complex, and people do the craziest things for a wide range of reasons.

It happens every single time. I'd rather focus on how we prevent such attacks in the future. What are the realistic options for stopping them altogether or minimising such attacks?

I think "bigots" is putting it a bit too strongly.

When we see attacks that involve mass casualties (in Europe) then the perpetrator nearly always is Muslim. Speaking the facts or commenting on a clear pattern is not being "bigoted".

The vast majority of Muslims are peaceful but that does not negate the glaring facts that a minority of that community are causing the majority of terrorist attacks on European soil.

To effectively try to shut down a much needed debate by calling people bigots is perpetuating the problem and by "debate" I do not mean on this forum but by our elected representatives.

The motives for this attack are currently unclear. Apparently, he was an "ex-Muslim" and even "anti-Islamic" (??). The background to this seems to be a lot more complex.

His X tweets portray someone who is avidly anti-Islamic and who claims he was being censored by the German authorities to such an extent that he turned his hatred towards Germany and the German institution......ironically manifesting his hatred by mowing down innocent Germans and presumably the majority were non-muslims.




Offline Adoniron

The likes of the AfD will still capitalise on it because although he was anti-Islamic he was nonetheless an immigrant and if Germany wasn't full of Muslim migrants he wouldn't have hated them and wouldn't have carried out the attack.

I know it's not logical but that's how they'll spin it, as will Farage over here.

Offline jeanphillipe

The likes of the AfD will still capitalise on it because although he was anti-Islamic he was nonetheless an immigrant and if Germany wasn't full of Muslim migrants he wouldn't have hated them and wouldn't have carried out the attack.

I know it's not logical but that's how they'll spin it, as will Farage over here.

He was a hadcore supporters of AFD though.

Offline j4m3sd

The guy was a fugitive, fighting extradition to Saudi Arabia. He claimed he was "anti Islam" because that's what helped him stay in Germany. "I'll be persecuted if I return"

Offline Sunny

Mind boggling how a criminal was allowed in Germany despite being wanted by the Saudi government. He would have been punished severely under sharia law.


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The guy was a fugitive, fighting extradition to Saudi Arabia. He claimed he was "anti Islam" because that's what helped him stay in Germany. "I'll be persecuted if I return"

Are you suggesting he might of been fibbing, to benefit his own cause?

Offline ProjectFun

Mind boggling how a criminal was allowed in Germany despite being wanted by the Saudi government. He would have been punished severely under sharia law.
      Seems to happen all the while,these criminals human rights seem to be deemed more important than the safety of other people.

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Apparently Tommy Robinson was a follower of his X account.

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Mind boggling how a criminal was allowed in Germany despite being wanted by the Saudi government. He would have been punished severely under sharia law.
The Saudi Government has a bit of a reputation for using arrest warrants as a means of discrediting those who disagree with them :- if that fails, they just murder them if they can get them into an Embassy.