Why so few reviews of Ireland in UKP compared to Escort Ireland reviews?

[Tony Blair]

Lack of UKP reviews in Ireland was in a thread last year. 
https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=384614.msg3919202#msg3919202

And review quality of EI has been questioned in a couple of threads also.

New thread to question why there are so many reviews in EI compared to UKP NI & Ireland Section
And If there are any suggestions as to how to increase the number of reviews from Ireland I would love to see them.  There are plenty on EI

Last 30 days…
So in UKP has a dynamic 1504 reviews of which 13 are in Ireland.
EI for its top 18 providers has 187 reviews and many more for all its providers

Why are there so many reviews on EI.
They are a pain in the arse to complete, highly prescriptive in a guided review process and definitely easy to link back to the punter.
Highly moderated away from criticism.  Reviews are rejected rather than debated.

This leads to totally misleading and fluffy reviews, probably in the hope from the reviewer that they will get good treatment on a return visit.
I saw an Irish SP with absolutely glowing reviews e.g. “So good I can give up looking for another”.  She was like Andre the Giant with smokers breath.

Hancocks has mentioned posting a review on EI for nearly all his punts through them.  Maybe he can explain further.  (quoted below. great quote, pithily explains how shite reviewing on EI is)

Why so few reviews on UKP for Ireland (all)
In the thread quoted above, a number of reasons are put forwards about lack of Irish reviews. 
These are by people who are already on UKP and so are already preaching to the converted
Also there is no question about the very high number of reviews on EI compared to UKP

Other possible reasons.
Lack of traction for UKP in Ireland.  People just don’t know about it.
EI tried to do Escort England but could not get traction and it has disappeared.  Similarly AW has little traction outside the UK.

The name UKPunting puts Irish people off, particularly in the Republic.  Many more reviews are from NI than Ireland despite lower numbers of SPs and punters in NI.
Culturally, a good chunk of Irish people will not like the UK included in the name.
This is despite the fact that the UKP reviews are really far more useful than the advertising sites reviews.

UKP higher entry requirements now.

I've posted on EI for nearly all the punts I've seen through them.
So far only 1 bad review is still up. Others were either deleted once SP opted out of reviews or deleted account.

 Others weren't published by EI for various reasons, SP was B&S so technically you can't review that SP as you didn't see her...stupid rule. Other one was unpublished as I said SP was there with her friend and offered duo, as 2 SPs constitute a Brothel south of the border EI wouldn't publish. When I deleted that part they published but then SP opted out

Detail of some numbers based on what I could find for the last 30 days.

UKP
Escort reviews total    1504

Escort reviews NI & I   5
Massage NI & I            8
Total Irish reviews       13

SP count in all Ireland,
IE SPs         686
NI SPs         88
Total           774

EI Top 18 provider reviews – 187
NB it’s numbers do not add up too well.

[Soulsparc]

Personally I haven't really been seeing anyone due to the ridiculous prices that unfortunately now seem to be the norm.

But I do know that people are put off leaving reviews with the law as it currently is in the north of Ireland.

I also think a lot of reviews on EI are complete fabrication. I wouldn't even read them when considering a punt.

[Tony Blair]

Are the reviews a fabrication by punters or by EI?

There are a lot to write if they are a central fabrication.   and most are before AI generated reviews were possible.
And my god are they useless.

Only thing I would pay attention to is the %s.  100% recommend/repeat over 30 or more reviews I would consider.  97% probably an issue.

BTW I think NI is cheaper than south east england and dublin.

[Soulsparc]

I would think they are a fabrication by EI.

There are certain people on there who have never left a bad or even neutral review out of 300 reviews.

[Soulsparc]

The average price for a half hour punt is now £100.

I've seen some profiles on AW that are charging £120 before any "extras" are even added on. And these girls aren't Angela White.

[PumpDump]

I would think they are a fabrication by EI.

There are certain people on there who have never left a bad or even neutral review out of 300 reviews.

I've heard the same. There used to be a very busy independent site called Irishpunters.com. It was a forum with real reviews and the users talked about the censorship on EI, how bad reviews of advertisers was not allowed, and good reviews of girls who didn't advertise were removed. As far as I remember EI bought IrishPunters and shut it down.

If someone wants to open an independent punter review site in Ireland, they would do very well. Any appetite in UKP to create an offshoot site?

[andykane]

I agree with Soulsparc, prices are just ridiculous these days. Never trusted any reviews on EI either. All a load of nonsense, years ago i left a bad review which was deleted possibly by the moderator or the escort itself.

[Tony Blair]

Soulsparc - Modern Times.

Get yourself on a day trip to Liverpool or Manchester and bag a bargain there, take in some football and a nice bottle of white wine.

[hrm69]

As Soulsparc says, the slim pickings and overpricing by most of the local girls in NI make it extremely difficult to justify. I had an unexpected free morning today and tried to line up something, to no success. Two girls Ive seen before but none were available and a quick look on AW there were only 4 girls available in the whole of NI, one who has hidden her feedback which would be a red flag to me straight away. One other had nothing on here either.

Personally I’ve never really used EI, browse it but thats about it but some girls I’ve seen have a profile on it as well as AW. Also by my own rules I mainly stick to UK/Irish girls with the odd exception (they need to be very well reviewed on here and have good AW feedback). I know that limits my options obviously.

The law thing here is probably the main issue with the lack of reviews. There is no doubt the punting levels are there, more fool the guys paying the prices if you ask me (just try getting a booking with Lilly for example) but a lot of guys just don't want to incriminate themselves. Also since the law came in there has been a dramatic reduction in touring girls coming from UK over last 6/7 years. Crystal Pure (who I have reviewed here back in early 2018) hasn’t been here I believe since then or later that year. She used to come regularly 4/5 times a year. I would say there is about 2 girls on AW that come here every other month or so and thats about it.

If I do punt I’ll put a review up but prices of the local girls, bar one and lack of tourers make it very difficult.

[hrm69]

The average price for a half hour punt is now £100.

I've seen some profiles on AW that are charging £120 before any "extras" are even added on. And these girls aren't Angela White.

Made this point before but there is one local girl, who until recently was charging £220 per hour and that was with covered oral. Add in OWO it was £240, chuck in anal it would cost you £280 per hour.

[Tony Blair]

As Soulsparc says, the slim pickings and overpricing by most of the local girls in NI make it extremely difficult to justify. I had an unexpected free morning today and tried to line up something, to no success. Two girls Ive seen before but none were available and a quick look on AW there were only 4 girls available in the whole of NI, one who has hidden her feedback which would be a red flag to me straight away. One other had nothing on here either.

Personally I’ve never really used EI, browse it but thats about it but some girls I’ve seen have a profile on it as well as AW. Also by my own rules I mainly stick to UK/Irish girls with the odd exception (they need to be very well reviewed on here and have good AW feedback). I know that limits my options obviously.

The law thing here is probably the main issue with the lack of reviews. There is no doubt the punting levels are there, more fool the guys paying the prices if you ask me (just try getting a booking with Lilly for example) but a lot of guys just don't want to incriminate themselves. Also since the law came in there has been a dramatic reduction in touring girls coming from UK over last 6/7 years. Crystal Pure (who I have reviewed here back in early 2018) hasn’t been here I believe since then or later that year. She used to come regularly 4/5 times a year. I would say there is about 2 girls on AW that come here every other month or so and thats about it.

If I do punt I’ll put a review up but prices of the local girls, bar one and lack of tourers make it very difficult.

- I am including all of Ireland in this question.  In terms of reviews NI is over represented on UKP reviews.
- The laws in the Republic are as harsh as NI but the review count is so high on EI.
  This could be fake reviews or self reviewing with moderation to correct english and spelling. 
- Of all the ads on EI Dublin is about 45% and NI about 11%.
  This makes EI practically useless if you live outside Belfast

Belfast   43
Derry   19
Tyrone   10

Dublin   349
Cork            65
Limerick   43
Galway   32
Kildare   24

[hrm69]

Soulsparc - Modern Times.

Get yourself on a day trip to Liverpool or Manchester and bag a bargain there, take in some football and a nice bottle of white wine.

I have looked at that before and would completely agree, just never got round to or had the chance to do it.

Few in Glasgow as I have been there for work in past.

[Tony Blair]

On the question of self incrimination, do NI and Ireland reviewers use their real names and email addresses?

Would you be surprised if I told you I really was Tony Blair, beloved ex-prime minister and husband of Cherie?

[Tony Blair]

So the reviews on Escort Ireland are cited by Scottish Government as part of a policy document

External Link/Members Only

If the only way to explain the very high number of reviews on EI compared to UKP is that they are all made up we need to invite the Scottish government on to this forum

[PumpDump]

On the question of self incrimination, do NI and Ireland reviewers use their real names and email addresses?

Would you be surprised if I told you I really was Tony Blair, beloved ex-prime minister and husband of Cherie?

Why did you choose that username?!

[PumpDump]

So the reviews on Escort Ireland are cited by Scottish Government as part of a policy document

External Link/Members Only

If the only way to explain the very high number of reviews on EI compared to UKP is that they are all made up we need to invite the Scottish government on to this forum

"The analysis of 1,300 reviews left on Escort Ireland between 20th April 2020 and the 27th July 2020 found that purchasers demonstrated a notable lack of concern for women's enjoyment in their exchanges"

Fucking hell, are the Irish punters not doing enough RO?!! Seriously though, what kind of nonsense is this in an official Government report?

[Tony Blair]

Why did you choose that username?!

I was interested in identity security and how it can be linked to fraud and theft.  Unless there is some verification of who you say you are you can be anybody.  If people think I am Tony Blair I can order a TV from Currys if I have his payment details.  Payment details were pretty easy to steal in the days when credit card companies sent letters to everyone asking them to be a customer.  NB I was trying to prevent fraud not commit it and was paid for it.

Also because Tony Blair is a twat and nobody pays attention to what he says.

[pussylover76]

OP - "Topic: Why so few reviews of Ireland in UKP compared to Escort Ireland reviews?"

All I can do is ask fellow members.
I am genuinely not pointing the finger... I have just picked the latest review...

JustAnotherGuy - why have you more reviews on EI than UKP?

[scutty brown]

There's an underlying flaw in the initial argument here: EI and UKP aren't immediately comparable.
EI is primarily a sex worker listings and contact site, in the same way as AW is and so will by definition have a higher degree of contact with punters than UKP does, which is strictly a review site. It's inevitable that more punters will review using EI simply because that's where they find the girls, and it's the site they're aware of.
In the UK if you ran a similar comparison between Adultwork and UKP you'd see a similar skew in the data: the number of feedback reports on AW is probably a magnitude greater at least than reviews on UKP

[Peken]

IMO it’s a combo of law & price, the peelers will strike as soon as they feel fit and it’ll be some poor sod that gets the book threw at him while he’s went for a 30 min pump & dump. Is it really worth that kinda heat on you for the rest of your days? Sex offender registra etc not to mention relationships and family. Then there’s the price - basically £200 an hour or 30 min £100 now my job pays well & id consider it higher end of the wage spectrum and I certainly can’t hold out to those prices too often, lastly EI seems to gather more traction as I think the website it easier managed with less hassle and stuff. Also the girls seems to advertise more there hence the traffic going that way, maybe it’s cheaper to advertise? Who knows, but I know one thing punting is dire in Ireland as a whole.

[Soulsparc]

There's an underlying flaw in the initial argument here: EI and UKP aren't immediately comparable.
EI is primarily a sex worker listings and contact site, in the same way as AW is and so will by definition have a higher degree of contact with punters than UKP does, which is strictly a review site. It's inevitable that more punters will review using EI simply because that's where they find the girls, and it's the site they're aware of.
In the UK if you ran a similar comparison between Adultwork and UKP you'd see a similar skew in the data: the number of feedback reports on AW is probably a magnitude greater at least than reviews on UKP

100% agree with this. They are not comparable in the slightest. Especially with regards the reviews authenticity. This site has saved me a lot of money with the honest reviews it provides. So many times I've been tempted to punt a few UK touring women and a quick check on here has provided invaluable info.

[Tony Blair]

There's an underlying flaw in the initial argument here: EI and UKP aren't immediately comparable.
EI is primarily a sex worker listings and contact site, in the same way as AW is and so will by definition have a higher degree of contact with punters than UKP does, which is strictly a review site. It's inevitable that more punters will review using EI simply because that's where they find the girls, and it's the site they're aware of.
In the UK if you ran a similar comparison between Adultwork and UKP you'd see a similar skew in the data: the number of feedback reports on AW is probably a magnitude greater at least than reviews on UKP

Not an argument more a question.  Interesting points you make.
EI and AW have traction and awareness in their respective countries as I said.
UKP had 1501 full reviews for the previous 30 days for escorts.  Did not include massage reviews so more so possibly over 2000.

AW has 701 field reports for the last 30 days for the whole of the UK

AW has 3 field for Northern Ireland.  probably a reflection of EI dominance

The AW one line feedbacks are impossible to count but definitely there are a lot of requests to give feedback from SPs and a lot are also made up.
 
So UKP has more full field reports in the UK.
EI review counts are very high compared to UKP NI & I Section.  Consensus seems to be a lot are made up and are mostly useless.

The ones that are not made up are heavily moderated to give positive reviews so why would anyone review on EI if they know about UKP?
Possibly for the reasons in the original post.

It would be interesting to know why Hancocks put reviews for his EI bookings but he has not had any activity for a little while.

Cheers

[KeenPunter]

I think each regional board has a particular culture and noticeably the NI part has lots of people interacting with no reviews or none for years which means that those that are perhaps paranoid of the legal side are even more careful because they know of the high number of lurkers there. One of the recent reviews had comments by several members who have been around for decades between them yet have never managed to post a review.

It's great that the Mods are gently encouraging people to at put one review up each year and if they are not punting then why do they need to read a punting forum and in theory make it less safe for those that are punting

[pussylover76]

Welcome back. Early release on good behaviour?

[KeenPunter]

Was working away so I only tend to comment when I'm reviewing too