Tommy Robinson case is thrown out as his supporters say it is a "win"

[Bigwilts]

It's quite simple to understand, when he's wrong he will apologise, the mum who contacted Tommy regarding the allegations, was threatened with harm if she didn't retract her post about Jamal. Tommy then travelled up to Huddersfield, and used hidden cameras to get the truth. But as you only watched a few minutes of the film Silenced, you wouldn't know that. 

La La La La jerboa’s not listening

Look at the FoI in his video - not the words that come out of his mouth but the actual FoI on screen that contradicts the words coming out of his mouth

Take note of the teacher “paid off” with “nothing to do with the subject”

That’s because the payments were redundancy payments on the closure of the chronically failing school



But there’s not much point carrying on the conversation as you’re not listening

[Private Parts]

It's quite simple to understand, when he's wrong he will apologise, the mum who contacted Tommy regarding the allegations, was threatened with harm if she didn't retract her post about Jamal. Tommy then travelled up to Huddersfield, and used hidden cameras to get the truth. But as you only watched a few minutes of the film Silenced, you wouldn't know that. 

Jerboa. Did you read that in the Sunday Sport? 

[Jerboa]

La La La La jerboa’s not listening

Look at the FoI in his video - not the words that come out of his mouth but the actual FoI on screen that contradicts the words coming out of his mouth

Take note of the teacher “paid off” with “nothing to do with the subject”

That’s because the payments were redundancy payments on the closure of the chronically failing school



But there’s not much point carrying on the conversation as you’re not listening

Why are you making that up? No it wasn't redundancy payments, this was actually 2 years before the secondary school was closed.

[Bigwilts]

Why are you making that up? No it wasn't redundancy payments, this was actually 2 years before the secondary school was closed.

The school was in special measures for quite some time, secondary pupils transferred out two to three years before Silenced.
But you can take note in Silenced that those he recorded had “worked” at the school (past tense)


However this is just repetition and pretty boring for other forum members

[Bigwilts]

@jerboa
If you won’t accept the Suns article that references Tommys tweet that he had been lied to (as @bangman has previously referred to)

How about Yaxley-Lennon in court confirming that it was libel?
You don’t have to read all of it, just paragraph 2


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These libel proceedings are at an early stage. The parties have exchanged statements of case. The Defendant has admitted publication of the videos, that they defamed the Claimant at common law and that their publication has caused serious harm to the Claimant's reputation.


Tommys defence was that he published what he had been told, but failed to understand that the defence to libel is to establish it as the truth, not to establish that he published what others had told him

[DastardlyDick]

It's quite simple to understand, when he's wrong he will apologise, the mum who contacted Tommy regarding the allegations, was threatened with harm if she didn't retract her post about Jamal. Tommy then travelled up to Huddersfield, and used hidden cameras to get the truth. But as you only watched a few minutes of the film Silenced, you wouldn't know that. 

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He may have apologised, fair play to him, but he didn't remove the tweets did he? That would have been the thing to do with something you've just acknowledged as being incorrect.

[JontyR]

It's quite simple to understand, when he's wrong he will apologise,

Sorry, but if you claim to be a journalist then you have a responsibiity to check your sources. This incident shows, again, that his actions are those of one of the journalisitc profession but of a hate-monger that panders to a supporter base which has signifiicant violent and racist sections within it.

[Bigwilts]

It's quite simple to understand, when he's wrong he will apologise,

This turns out to be wrong again

Tommy has stated that he did not apologise for the recent Glasgow post

His ‘admin’ posted it, his ‘admin’ deleted it, his ‘admin’ apologised for it, his admin repeated it in a general context to replace the specific father
Tommy claims to having known nothing about it at all, and now makes his own assertion about a “Pakistani Muslim in a park”

Gloss over and forget that a Scottish born Glaswegian father was in the park with his children when a mob turned up, the father took his children home and returned to the park where the mob remained

Its just Pakistani Muslims and Tommy co dog whistles

[Colston36]

This turns out to be wrong again

Tommy has stated that he did not apologise for the recent Glasgow post

His ‘admin’ posted it, his ‘admin’ deleted it, his ‘admin’ apologised for it, his admin repeated it in a general context to replace the specific father
Tommy claims to having known nothing about it at all, and now makes his own assertion about a “Pakistani Muslim in a park”

Gloss over and forget that a Scottish born Glaswegian father was in the park with his children when a mob turned up, the father took his children home and returned to the park where the mob remained

Its just Pakistani Muslims and Tommy co dog whistles

Why so much interest in someone calling themselves Tommy who isn't?

[Bangman]

You see what Jerboa just said, After desperately arguing forever that Tommy never apologised about Jamal, and I slapped Him with a video, Jerboa looking like a fool, without accepting he made a mistake, Instead he now changes his story.
Which means Jerboa has LIED several times.
Reminds me of Tommy complaining why he keeps seeing GAY stuff on his feed, obviously TR doesn't understand algorithm and his bootlicking followers dont understand their own sexuality and are in lust with him.

I can picture it now.
TR - "My followers, I need to take a piss, open your mouths"
Followers - "Ok master" (Open their mouths)
TR - "Good boy... and swallow"

[Jerboa]

I thought I explained it clearly, sorry if that is not the case. The mum who on facebook called out Jamal as being the bully, who attack her child as well as others, got a storm online, and was threatened with rape and death threats, by men with names like Muhammed. So she posted online that she had made it all up, Tommy seeing that made the video saying he had been duped, this was done before he travelled up to Huddersfield, and investigated, where he met the mum, and she admitted that she changed her story, because she was threatened, and she has to live in this town.

In court several students gave evidence that Jamal was a violent bully, but the judge just dismissed all their testimony, claiming that sometimes people just make up lies, for no reason. 

[Bigwilts]

In court several students gave evidence that Jamal was a violent bully,

but the judge just dismissed all their testimony

The judge dismissed their contradictory and changing testimony, complete with contradictory documentary evidence




In court Stephen / Tommy began his defence by admitting that he was wrong

[Jerboa]

The judge dismissed their contradictory and changing testimony, complete with contradictory documentary evidence




In court Stephen / Tommy began his defence by admitting that he was wrong

Have you got the court transcripts?

[DastardlyDick]

Have you got the court transcripts?

If it was tried at a Crown Court or Higher, he could well have.

[Jerboa]

If it was tried at a Crown Court or Higher, he could well have.

I think in this day and age, all court transcripts should be available for free online, to show justice is transparent.

[Bigwilts]

Have you got the court transcripts?

See my post to you yesterday at 11:55 (pm)

You will of course point out that it is not a transcript but the judgement (one of the many judgements in this case due to all the back and forth)


You can see a whole series of court documents on the case here:

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In the different documents Stephen Tommy does change tack, the only defence to libel is the truth, and some of the documents at various stages have him asserting a defence of the truth, but the one I highlighted has him attempting a defence of “saying what he had been told”, seeming to think that was a defence.

In this case of course Tommy fundraised for a barrister, but then sacked his barrister in favour of defending himself
Does that mean he had a fool for a lawyer, or that he was a genius of 3d chess?
He is no idiot, but he does do stupid things.  Does he do those stupid things as an idiot or does he do those deliberately as his living is dependent on being seen to be oppressed so he has to keep dropping himself into it?


If you actually pay attention to Silenced then you will see that in it he presents the same tactic as I linked yesterday - he is presenting his case that “this is what people told me and I reported what I was told”

[DastardlyDick]

I think in this day and age, all court transcripts should be available for free online, to show justice is transparent.

Magistrates Courts are not recorded. Crown Courts are, but unless you are one of the Parties involved, they are not free (source External Link/Members Only)

[Bigwilts]

As is being discussed, full transcripts are generally only free to “interested parties” but other documents are freely available or available for a charge


Use the link below to access case QB-2019-001740
Hijazi v Yaxley-Lennon

The bottom two free documents include the actual points relevant to the defamation claim and Tommys main changes to his plea & defence, the third is the full judgement that goes through the many changes to his plea & defences, and the evidence presented



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Click “timeline”, and you will see a list of 84 documents, some you can see for free, some require a paid subscription

If you don’t see a long list then click the 3 buttons for judgements, filings & hearings

Note that the judgements are free to view, so if you turn the others off then you will get a shorter list of those that you can view
The latest is at the top, so browse to the bottom for the beginning of the case

Start with 21/4/2020,
Jump down to paragraphs 18 & 19 which tell you what the libel claims are within Tommys 2 streamed videos


Go back up to paragraph 2 for the defendants plea (Stephen Yaxley Lennon) admits:
Publication of the videos
That they are defamatory
That they caused serious harm to the reputation of the claimant (Jamal)

Next go to paragraph 3 and the defendant has changed plea to a “defence of truth” - that their claims are true


Go back to the documents and open 16/11/20

Paragraph 3 - The defendants “defence of truth” is referenced, but goes on to highlight that they have not provided any evidence

Paragraph 7 - defendant changes their defence, amending elements of their existing “defence of truth” and adding another defence of “public interest “
(Note that he changes his plea in court, and hadn’t engaged in the proper process before the court date

Open document 22/7/21
This is the key document going through the case with the evidence presented, cross examination, where evidence is contradictory etc

Note that  at paragraphs 24 & 25 it highlights the defendant beginning with legal representation then changing to defending himself on filing for bankruptcy
Paragraphs 32 onwards goes though the defendants various changes to their plea defence(s)



The other documents go on to evaluating damages, implications of bankruptcy, contempt of court etc